Healing from Aunt Jodi - Jessi Hildebrandt's Update | Ep. 1873

Join us as Jessi Hildebrandt, Jodi Hildebrandt's niece, updates the Mormon Stories audience on the healing and growth they have experienced after telling their story on Mormon Stories Podcast.
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Chapters:
00:00:00 Intro
00:10:43 When Jodi pled guilty
00:20:30 Jessi’s reaction when the story broke
00:23:00 Why did Jodi decide to plead guilty?
00:27:30 The abuse that Jodi inflicted on these children
00:31:22 This could have been stopped fourteen years ago
00:34:10 Reacting to Ruby Franke’s statement
00:38:55 Child abuse should be changed from second degree to first degree
00:41:26 What did they think of Ruby's apology?
00:55:30 Adam Paul Steed
00:59:25 The relationship between Jodi and Ruby
01:04:20 Jodi has more victims
01:06:20 The involvement of the Mormon Church
01:21:40 What would Jessi recommend to the Mormon Church
01:31:57 Jessi on healing and overcoming their abuse
01:49:55 Jessi being featured on other media outlets
01:53:40 What are Jessi’s future plans?
02:00:20 Forming connections when giving tattoos
02:07:50 How was her trip to Europe?
02:12:45 The final sentencing of Ruby and Jodi is still to come
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[@eileenbesser7831]

Jessi deserves an apology from their parents-a heartfelt, true apology. As a parent this absolutely sickens me.

[@Green-Fairy]

💯

[@caseyjude5472]

Agreed. However I wouldn’t be surprised if I learned that her father still thinks Jodi was right about Jesse. Unfortunately there’s lots of followers of Jodi (& others like her -other “therapists”, Chad Daybell, Tim Ballard, etc…) who will always believe Ruby’s children are evil/possessed/zombies and that Jodi was helping them. Sigh.

[@curthoaldridge507]

That was so sad to hear 😢 Hopefully they come around someday

[@robinrios4715]

Who cares what she thinks her pronouns are, is that really relevant?, no

[@mindeloman]

The hubris of her parents will never allow them to apologize. The most disturbing story Jessi ever told was the fact their mom came to get Jessi after one year of being gone. Jessi was not going to school for that entire year under Aunt Jodi's "care." There was no graduation or diploma. But mom came one year after almost no contact and got Jessi to go get senior portraits because there could not be an empty space on the wall. That tells you all you need to know where the parents' heads are.

[@RobertaReal7980]

Both women took a plea not to save the victims any grief but to avoid embarrassment & exposure of all the horrific things they've done.

[@bornfree0507]

True

[@keldel6157]

very true and Ruby also calling herself the prodigal daughter being forgiven by her family. Utterly delusional she absolutely will never be forgiven nor does she deserve it.@@bornfree0507

[@artcreationsbydar]

Amen to that! So agree!

[@Sunshine_Suzie_Q]

You’re probably right about that. I’m sure they thought if they plead and didn’t have a trial that the gory details of the abuse wouldn’t be released to the public. Oh how wrong they were! I couldn’t believe how bad the abuse was. Inconceivable how a “mother” could do and/or allow the brutal abuse done to her own children. There are bad parents everywhere; Ruby Franke is one of the worst I’ve ever heard of. I pray those children can heal in all ways necessary! Ruby and Jodi deserve the absolute MAXIMUM prison time.

[@KitKatSukiKat]

🎯

[@MeditatewithVeronica]

My sister still has trauma from therapy she received from Jodie as a child. This woman truly recked peoples lives through her therapy. I hope she never gets out.

[@NonnieAnn]

😢😢

[@joycewright5386]

The same kind of abuse inflicted on Frankie children?

[@Pammyspoint]

A prayer for your sister’s healing🙏. I am so very sorry for what she went thru. God bless.

[@raqueacevedo1509]

The resilience, intelligence, well spoken, empathetic, hardworking, realistic, kindness, honor, bravery and dignity this young lady has is outstanding. You don't need a church in order to have all these values. Bravo Jessie. Keep working in your mental health, love, dance, achive. You matter!!!.

[@Alexacake19]

ABSOLUTELY! Thank you for saying that. We don't need a book or doctrine to give us good morals and values. As an atheist I hear a lot like "how do you not kill people if you don't believe in God or the Bible??" And I'm completely shocked that people think you need guidance to not be a murderer? I swear I have better morals than any religious person I know 😬

[@raqueacevedo1509]

@@Alexacake19 Be Proud of yourself. You deserve that. RESPECT!! ❤️Keep up with the good work.

[@ellbanks425]

And in addition you are saying you've missed an education...no you haven't you've become one of the most intelligent young women that I've listened to. ❤

[@tammymorgan9870]

@@Alexacake19what makes one an atheist? Experiences? Family? Society?

[@sopi4]

Very well said❤

[@lindak3030]

Jessi's face looks so much lighter and happier now.

[@arlinebond3501]

It definitely does and really beautiful

[@Green-Fairy]

Truly heartwarming to see ❤

[@hollyeckhart8262]

I saw that too

[@pennybourban3712]

Adam Steed is the same.

[@user-bx8ol3yv3d]

It’s sad she has tampered with her lovely body so much.

[@noceb0]

Ruby shouldn't get out before her youngest is 18. She enjoyed hurting her children for views a long time before she met Jodi. Jodi didn't have to manipulate much with Ruby, she just gave Ruby permission to not hold back anymore imo.

[@lealovesthesea]

🎯

[@MiraculousAngelTarot]

Ruby was already having very fertile soil for Jodi's poisonous seeds.

[@lourdesanel]

Very true

[@wintyforever]

@@MiraculousAngelTarotvery well said. Ruby was just looking for permission and support (Jodi) and opportunity (cutting everyone off including the children’s’ father) to crank up the abuse.

[@jcfreak2007]

Especially now that we've seen the journals. You don't write the things that she wrote in her journals when you're brainwashed. I have been brainwashed and do you know what I wrote in my journals? The wrongness of the situation came out. I expressed guilt. I expressed sadness. I expressed grief. She expressed DELIGHT in the fact that she put boots on to stomp on her own child! 🤬🤬🤬 Every single person on that parole board should be required to read those journals before they make a decision on her sentencing. And I am not sorry about that. I don't have any compassion for her. AT. ALL.

[@maxm5645]

Jessi is outstanding. A stellar intellect.

[@cheryshstrong]

Yes. Her take on accountability over punishment after everything shes gone through shows so so much character.

[@EatYourCookies_]

You can just tell she came straight from a higher up planet down to Earth to help heal so many but also to break things that are too powerful to even write out here.

[@bbeard7]

@@EatYourCookies_ what do you mean she came from another higher up planet? Is that a LDS brainwashed belief or a figure of speech. If you really think she came from a higher up planet you are just as brainwashed in a false religion than what Jodi did to other people but in a different way

[@cymy2]

Hang in there, Jessi, my 75-year-old mom just apologized to me the other day. She left the church about 30 years ago, a few years after I did (as a teen), and this is the first time she's ever brought it up. She may have suffered more than I did, and I never knew.

[@ettajfan5882]

I hope her apology brought you healing.

[@lisedale6767]

This just started me crying.

[@DreamweavrHairDesign]

I’m glad you and your mom are healing ❤ it sounds like a hurt people hurt people situation but I’m happy for you that you are both healing

[@sammytee70]

What an Amazing Strong Beautiful Woman.....❤

[@colleenlally-ross7105]

Thats wonderful!

[@booswanger3801]

What an amazing, resilient and well spoken human being! I hope they realize how strong and courageous they are. I have deep respect for you Jessi. I want your life to be amazing and filled with wonderful things 🥰

[@Tripsy4Peace]

Exactly what I’m thinking. Thank you for stating it.

[@susanweaver6698]

Thank you for putting the words together to say what my heart felt.

[@claireterry1835]

Beautiful words and beautifully written for an amazing person. Jessi is a wonderful human being. Their heart has grace and dignity.

[@Redorgreenful]

What a treat for us to get a follow up of Jessi’s perspective. We don’t often get an opportunity to hear from survivors how they’re grappling with the level of “justice” dealt. I appreciate Mormon Stories for treating this story, like your other stories, with sensitivity & trauma-informed care. ❤ Great work, y’all!

[@kimbrabasom1451]

JESSI IS A WONDERFUL PERSON..JODI, (DID NOT) DESTROY HER JESSI, IS EXTREMELY INTELLIGENT TO LET A CRAZY TO TWIST HER MIND..LOVE YA. JESSI SO, SORRY..OF WHAT YOU EXPERIENCED ON THE DEMON SIDE

[@whoseturnisit9733]

After the release of documents referencing Jodi and Ruby I bet she is having a bad time. So many memories, her input I hope is used in future hearings. Jessi would make a great therapist in the areas she understands, I hope she gets to talk to Ruby’s kids to let them know what they went through was because of Jodi not anything they did. She’s the only person who could connect with them.

[@marshapieroni6677]

I feel the same way, and you worded it beautifully 😊

[@rosannemorkel2412]

You know what is so disturbing is the fact that the little boy asked the neighbor to call the police. They never once asked for their father. Jessi you are the most amazing person ever !

[@hellsbells8689]

They didn't ask for their father, as you say. We don't know what the children had been told about him (Kevin). They may have been told he was evil and had to leave. Maybe told he just upped and left because he didn't care about them. Or that he was ashamed to have children like them (evil/possessed) so he had to go. Who knows what the twisted mind of Jodi will have come up with to have power over the children. I think if I remember correctly, on the neighbour's phone call when the dispatcher asked about family whereabouts, the child said when asked where his father was, he said "not around".

[@rosannemorkel2412]

Yes you are so right. You never know what Jodi told those children

[@larissabrglum3856]

That's a good point!

[@JBrodo]

Wow, this never occurred to me... chilling...

[@gramajan4]

Jodi's "thing" is ripping daddies/husbands out of the home and demonizing them. I've no doubt these children were reticent to trust their father, not even trusting their own experience with him, since he had been gone for so long.

[@gracejones2831]

Jodi and Ruby came so, so close to killing those children, it makes me wonder if Jodi has ever murdered a child or tortured more children and they have yet to come forward.

[@samg873]

Oh god I hope not

[@gracejones2831]

@@samg873 why does she have a panic room that only locks on the outside? That's not a panic room, thats a room to hold hostages.

[@samg873]

@@gracejones2831 I know what you meant. I just meant I didn't want to think she'd do worse. I knew about the prison she had and yes it was prison. Cops never saw a panic room with a toilet

[@Natalia-nd4np]

@@gracejones2831 oh that i want to say, as a former mormon, is common in wealthy mormon households. those types of bunkers are meant for the end times. mormons have a huge prepper mentality

[@Valeria-sx7uv]

Yeah, considering what she did with Jessi, it is quite possible

[@bonnieschoenemandilley3416]

Thank you Jessi for being brave. You have and continue to make a positive impact on the healing for others❤

[@beanster53]

Please Jessi, do a TED Talk and a book. You have so much to say. My daughter was in a high control cult “Quiver Full”. Had 9 kids. Stringent rules on covering body to prevent men from sinning. Homeschool was sheltered. When her kids became adolescents they went wild. It broke our hearts when she turned to alcohol. Thankfully she was been in recovery for a few years now. But the abuse left a lasting wound to her soul. People need to hear what you have to say.

[@kathi_grows_plants]

I would love to read Jessi’s book ❤

[@EaglesEagles-ip9nm]

Agree. The world needs to hear her story.

[@TrulyMadlyShallowly]

I remember Quiverfull survivors at the No longer quivering blog - terrifying

[@maryerichardson8302]

FYI: I wasn’t fooled by Jodi’s statement! It was clear that at this time, she’s furious with the children who got her CAUGHT! She almost choked on the words that she didn’t go to trial to save the children from more trauma. She has no remorse- just anger at being caught! Be well, Jesse! You’re doing great work.❤️

[@mestillme3026]

I wasn't fooled by Ruby's apology either. She may be sorry things got that far, but she wasn't sorry those kids went through what they did.

[@MiraculousAngelTarot]

She said what her lawyer told her to say in order to save her as*

[@gointothedogs4634]

When Jodi said she wants the children to heal, she means by her standards, because she believes they're in distortion and evil.

[@cdmurphy949]

Can you just imagine if she'd caught R while driving around furiously looking for him before the cops got there? He'd likely be dead by now.

[@bornfree0507]

I don’t think Ruby should get a lighter sentence too. She absolutely loved torturing her children and suddenly shifted gears when caught. I don’t trust her.

[@vickicali]

The fact that Jessi can have empathy for her mom shows she is able to extend the grace and understanding that her mom should give to her own daughter but is incapable of doing so. Jessi truly is a beautiful person inside and out.

[@MonibooFinebean]

I am never-mo ( i left Catholicism) but i know if a parent cannot come to comfort their child , they are brainwashed severely. Sending Jessi my love.

[@FortheLoveofBees]

Nah some people are just bad parents. Ruby sucked all on her own before partnering with Jodi - she just found someone who made her abuse justifiable.

[@stephdane]

THIS!!!

[@sarascarpati887]

​@@FortheLoveofBeesthat's what I was thinking too...

[@faceofvision]

​@@FortheLoveofBeesthey were talking about Jessie's parents, not Ruby

[@BarbaraJonesBrown]

Jessi seems so much happier and at peace since their first interview-I’m so happy to hear them share the outpouring of support they’ve received, and that they so richly deserved, and of the vindication they’ve felt with Jodi’s conviction. Makes my heart happy, too. Happy to hear that some of their family members have finally reached out to apologize to her, and I hope that the others will come around, too. Jessi deserves that

[@rachelb315]

I agree she does. She had an urgency to tell her story to add validity to the Franke children's story. I applaud her for that courage. it has been good for the whole community

[@ThatRedhedd]

I just wanted to give you kudos for setting an amazing example for others of how to show respect for people who use they/them pronouns! 🫶🏻

[@keiviajando5168]

@@rachelb315They❤

[@user-em1yo2mj9f]

Dear Jessie, I hope you follow whatever dream you have. I was a licensed psychologist (now retired) and you totally have the insight, intelligence, patience, and understanding to sail through college and university if you choose to. Be forewarned that there is a lot of malarkey, to put it mildly. Your appearance on Mormon stories was one of the first interview/podcasts I had ever seen and it made a deep impression. I wish you all the joy in life that you so richly deserve. Thank you for being you.

[@lisashrestha5023]

You are a fantastic host, John. You let them talk and never forgot to go back when there’s a multifaceted question. Leaving no rock unturned. So thrilled to see this! And I’m thrilled Jessica has joined this tattoo shop because I got my first ever tattoo (mother-daughter matching tattoos) with my daughter at Electric Cobra Tattoos in Columbia City area of Seattle when I finished my first cancer treatment last year. Our tattoos say, ‘We’re all just walking each other home.’ ❤️

[@deninejackson2316]

I want to give Jessi a big mama hug. This is so sad that the family has not rallied around Jessi

[@FortheLoveofBees]

They would have to acknowledge their complicit role in Jessi’s abuse for that to happen, unfortunately, and so many people can’t look at their actions straight on like that.

[@jeanP924]

​@@FortheLoveofBeeswell said....

[@axemangang1584]

What i am concerned about is that there are parents out there following Jodie and Ruby 's parenting tips. Children may be suffering from abuse.

[@Green-Fairy]

Absolutely Terrifying to think about

[@wintyforever]

I agree. But I’m hoping Jodi’s downfall has woken many parents up. Also, I don’t think many parents will be willing to take the abuse AS FAR as Ruby did, but there are definitely other children being abused out there as we speak, and that’s depressing.

[@LeahJo488]

Wow! Jessi looks so much lighter and healthier now. I pray they continue to heal and flourish. What an exceptional human being.

[@psychick48]

I'm 63 years old and I'd be proud of Jessi if she were my daughter. ❤❤❤. Sending Jessi my love and compassion. Im so glad that Jessi's getting the recognition and love from others.

[@emptynesters2520]

Thank you John for bringing Jessi on again! Jessi you bring such a beautiful light that you’d never know without hearing your story that you’ve been through such horrific things! May you always enjoy every joyful, peaceful, beautiful thing this world has to offer for the rest of your precious life!!💖

[@wendyg.]

Aren't they awesome? So much wisdom coming from such a young person.

[@iffyangel3380]

As a mother, I cannot comprehend Jessi's parents not seeing the abuse, both mental and physical Jessi suffered. Is it because they caused/initiated it and cannot come to terms with that fact? My mother was both physically and mentally abusive until I marriedand left home, but later she claimed it and apologized for it! She was the best grandmother ever to my children! Jessi, live your life your way! It's their loss, not yours. Thousands are behind you, love and care for you.

[@josephsturges9001]

John, the most potent idea I heard during this interview was the idea of a class action lawsuit including all of Jodi's victims. How to identify them and get them to expose themselves is problematic, but once a few come out, others may feel empowered to join. The more the merrier. Keep up your amazing work!!!

[@elizabethglynn8441]

She is so well spoken when describing her thoughts and feelings ... ! Such an intelligent woman!

[@RuthZeeck]

I can’t find the words to adequately express my admiration and respect for Jessie. What a beautiful, wise, resilient person.

[@arlinebond3501]

Jessi just know you are surrounded with love from all across the world ❤

[@Lightworkers.]

As a survivor myself, I can't tell you the importance of someone believing you. You need it to heal. Keep healing Jessie. Sending love to you.

[@sh1eldmaid3n]

Jessi - I'm a survivor of child sex trafficking. If you ever do want have conversations to reduce stigmas and encourage healing, I would love to talk. There is such a stigma around child sex abuse - admitting to surviving child sex trafficking is even worse. You will be such a force for good in helping others find healing. Thank you for your bravery

[@DeniseWalsh1]

Hi, thank you for sharing your story. I have a nonprofit and work with trauma and trafficking survivors - we would love to interview you on our podcast. @Stop Suffering in Silence. Please reach out if you are interested

[@carolineraines6465]

So much respect for Jessi! She’s so articulate! Shame on her Mormon parents for not being there for her🥲 How any parent can be estranged from their own child because they don’t agree with their lifestyle is mind boggling to me! Family before religion or church!!!

[@starflower703]

I agree in most cases, but sometimes adult children choose to make bad choices and refuse to get help when they have a problem. My adult son assaulted his 16 year old brother last. April over the volume of his phone in the living room of our home. I was outside and instead of acting like an adult or come and get me, my adult son pulled his brother out of a recliner by his hair, choked him and peeled his fingers off his phone. He only stopped because he felt his brother’s finger snap. My youngest son has PTSD and he is my primary concern because he’s still a minor. As I told his brother, “I raised you already and it’s no longer my job to monitor your behavior or correct your behavior. It’s your job and now it’s the court’s responsibility to punish you for your actions. I love you unconditionally; but as an adult, you have to face the consequences of your actions.” Due to the mental and emotional toil on me and my minor child, we had to cut contact. Maybe there will be a time in the future reconciliation may happen, but for now it’s not a safe choice for my teen. He’s still experiencing physical and emotional problems from what has happened.

[@purpleflowers92]

​​@@starflower703ok STOP LOVING YOUR OLDEST SON HE DOESN'T DESERVE IT. Just pretend you never had him. Easy forget about his existence 😂 but Jessi case is very different your oldest son decided to be an idiot and attack his minor brother. I hope you never forgive him fornwhat he did to his brother just pretend you never had him. Jessi was abuse and assaulted her parents knew and did nothing about it that is sick.

[@frozendonut722]

@@starflower703 Wow, I'm so sorry you had to go through this. That must have been so heartbreaking as a mother. But based on your description, it seems like you did everything right. Standing by your responsibility as a mother to protect your child, and holding your older son accountable for his actions. I'm sure it must have been so hard to cut contact with your son, no matter what he did. But you are doing what is right♥️

[@ruthpiazza2831]

Also, this is really important. We have a dangerous faction of the Republican party that wants to inflict this kind of horror on regular American citizens. If they get their way, they will try to destroy a lot of us. They're literally salivating at the thought of it.

[@emotionalsupportpaintbrush]

You are the only person that I have ever donated $ to that was a stranger. I hope you got enough to help with therapy and to help you heal but also to have some fun too. You deserve an extra Starbucks here and there or whatever you wish to spend it on. I wish you happiness, love, and peace. ❤

[@ThatRedhedd]

That's so sweet! I recognize you from RA's channel, and was touched by the compassion shown in this comment. 🫶🏻

[@realcanadiangirl64]

Listening to Jodi's telephone calls she 100% has absolutely no remorse or guilt like she expressed in court. She's nothing but an evil liar. I also laughed when she said she said the Holy Spirit was sending hot and cold flashes through her body. That's not the Holy Spirit lady that's menopause! 😂

[@verityLeanne]

Big thank you to John for bringing Jessie back on! And Jessie you are incredible and so kind! YES you are more than enough to have a you tube channel and YES we would love to read your book or listen to your channel! Take care and I hope you enjoyed England. Next time come to the Isle of Wight UK ❤ xx

[@erock9374]

They are a legend. What an amazing human to overcome that kind of abuse.

[@ThatRedhedd]

I just wanted to give you kudos for setting an amazing example for others of how to show respect for people who use they/them pronouns! 🫶🏻

[@AuntCoke]

A KZbin channel suggestion for Jessi - conversations while tattooing. I'd watch that!

[@Green-Fairy]

Oooooohhh yeah, I’d watch it too!

[@beachrando796]

Great idea!

[@CarolineNotCarolynBoyd]

Omg YES

[@OhJiminyCrickets]

Love this!!

[@jennipenni6144]

Jessi’s smile is a light to us all

[@maryerichardson8302]

Thank you for bringing Jesse back on the podcast. The secrets must be OUT. It isn’t only the Mormon church, but as Jesse said, the church is a breeding ground for narcissists.

[@SilentThundersnow]

I love how John lets his guest just talk, he doesn't interrupt a bunch like most hosts do. He let's people completely finish their thought, and then he adds his talented, experienced ideas. He's just a good human being too. Jessi is the best guest he's ever had. They are Soo articulate, intelligent and adorable. Please come back again! 💕

[@SuzySylvania]

John, that was a wonderful interview! I love how you let Jessi talk and guided them! Jessi you are extremely well spoken and wise! You have a PhD in life and have so much to offer the world!

[@maureenerwin6485]

Jessi is a brave warrior for good

[@nesser1352]

I'm not done with this interview yet but wow! Jessi's perspective is amazing and I'm glad John let them talk so much.

[@3dbabe299]

the best advice I got after trauma is to educate, gain a professional title, forgive myself and move on! I KNOW Jessie is one to watch in the next few years!! Their future is BRIGHT, and worthy !!!

[@EasternDreamer615]

Thank you so much for sharing your story Jessi. I was raised by a narcissist and deeply relate to your experiences. I grew up in the American South; the more I learn about Utah, the more I see parallels. It takes a great deal of courage to come online and share your story.

[@CallmeMelinanow]

I was raised in a strict JW family, and community, in the 1980’s. I’ve been out since 2001, and I thought I’d come so far in my healing process, but I feel like all this new trauma is coming up for me in the past year. The longer you’re away, the more and more the brainwashing weakens, which is good, but it also means that you’re seeing things with new eyes in many ways. Thank you Jessi, if you happen to read this. Your story touched me, and labeled things in myself that I’d never been able to identify before. I’ve honestly never had much sympathy or even empathy from others, and I’m still operating under the trauma I have from that experience. I tried. I tried so very hard to do what I was told was right. I wanted to be a good Christian wife and mother. I left, beating myself up, because I was programmed to beat myself up constantly, and went into the most abusive relationship for the next 9 years. I was a mark, and my father just sent me into the world, with no knowledge of real life, and no support or advice, once I left his religion at 26. It’s so hard to be raised like this, it breeds abuse, it hides and protect abusers, and beautiful neurodivergent souls like Jessi, and me aren’t supported at all. They crack down on us. I once had a therapist tell me I must be rebellious, in order to get out, and I laughed inside because I was such a goody two shoes in my religious days. Thank you for sharing your story. You deserve to be heard. You matter, what happened to you was wrong, and I’m so sorry you had to endure that! Take wonderful care care of yourself, and live as authentically as you can. We deserve that!! ❤

[@Marellenmac1964]

Their eloquence and humility is so inspiring. 💗

[@ThatRedhedd]

I just wanted to give you kudos for setting an amazing example for others of how to show respect for people who use they/them pronouns! 🫶🏻

[@bodytrainer1crane730]

Another great episode with Jessi! They are so inspiring! Thank you! ❤️❤️👏

[@mormonstories]

Glad you like them!

[@nsasupporter7557]

@@mormonstoriesI want to be on this podcast!

[@ThatRedhedd]

I just wanted to give you kudos for setting an amazing example for others of how to show respect for people who use they/them pronouns! 🫶🏻

[@elisa-beary]

Jessi is SO smart, well spoken, introspective & their observations on the world are so accurate & interesting. I’d love to see them do whatever they want on this earth & could see them being so good at so many things, even within the helping field.

[@natalielawrence8809]

They are so eloquent, gentle, intelligent, insightful and beautiful 😭

[@elizabethc3842]

So you say they, so that means there are more than one... the they them pronouns literally mean there are more than one of this individual. It makes no sense and makes them sound well either multipersonality or just plain not very well versed in the English language

[@jilllime3824]

⁠@@elizabethc3842you’re on a video discussing this individuals extensive trauma and the only thing you can offer is to bitch about “pronouns”? Also “they” is used as a singular pronoun all the time. “I wonder who wrote this poem. They are a very talented writer!” “Don’t you hate when you’re on the highway and you pass someone, and then they immediately pass you again?” “Never trust someone that believes their own lies”. They is used singularly in common language to identify a person when you don’t inherently know their gender, which is why its been adopted by people that don’t ascribe to one gender. If you want to use grammar to justify your hate, fine. But even grammatically, you’re still wrong. Just admit that non-binary people make you uncomfortable.

[@joshuakeller634]

I also want to say, John is an amazing interviewer. He gives his guests space to speak, he is so respectful and so intelligent and so kind.

[@crystaldragonwoman]

So glad to have the replay 👌🏽going to listen NOW 🌹 Just in the first moments I am touched by how truly life changing these moments are … Jesse your natural radiance, adorable-ness and lightness of being shines through 💫

[@sweingold5686]

I appreciated having this update. I hope there will be a class action lawsuit against Jodi and the church. They referred their members to her. Then they were damaged/ abused.

[@finchfry]

Not only can tattooing be a therapeutic experience, but getting tattooed can be as well. I have a lot of medical trauma and have often felt like doctors and the medical system have more control over my body than I do. I cried after getting my first tattoo because it felt like taking control of my body again. Doing something that I wanted to do with it instead of something that I *had* to do to avoid a health crisis. My artist was so wonderful and understanding, and now I have multiple beautiful pieces of art on me forever.

[@sandianaya5141]

Jessi…my being so sorry for what you experienced is beyond measure . Pretty sure I am old enough to be your grandmother..just know that I am sending you the biggest and tightest hugs and you will be in my prayers. You are such a devine and beautiful person

[@hollyhal1254]

Thanks to the two of you. Your insights are appreciated. To me Ruby is a narcissist. Yes I think she does feel for her children, but I think she is more concerned for herself. Her speech did not strike me as truly sincere.

[@FearMyLadyBits]

They give Ruby too much credit; the only thing she's sorry about is getting caught. Otherwise, why did she and hubby train their children to avoid talking to authority figures, before Jodie? why were they hiding when cops tried to do a welfare check, before Jodie?

[@Green-Fairy]

Yes I agree 💯

[@annadougherty8048]

I think both parents come from those Mormon church teachings and parental fakness that some of them portray. However Im learning that Jodi has been involved with the family for a long time.. even when their older son got his bed taken away as punishment on 8passengers he was actually seeing Jodi as his counselor.. Ruby is deranged. Jodi is dangerous to the population.

[@southbug27]

I didn’t suffer anything like the abuse Jessi suffered. I often feel like it’s left me broken & too tired. I am in awe of Jessi’s positive outlook & journey. Here’s to Jessi’s positivity rubbing off on all of us so we can use empathy & love to kick evil’s butt. 🥰🙏🏼💒

[@Itsjustme115]

Jessi, I could only pray to be as articulate,mindful and just so well informed the sky is the limit for you and you will indeed be the savior for many

[@angelaarnett3333]

So grateful to see Jessi - they’ve been on my mind so much thru this. Their generous and insightful heart is so beautifully paired with their profound intelligence. They’ve impacted so many of us- I’m not alone in being forever in their corner

[@marykaymacshane1001]

Great interview! Jessi, you have a lot to say and deserve all the goodness life has to offer you.

[@louisetrott5532]

That's an EXCELLENT point: healing is not the absence of the experience or feelings, but the presence of feelings: the presence of positive, healthy, supportive feelings.

[@fightermomjojo]

I’m at 31 minutes sitting here crying in appreciation of Jessi’s strength when she never and no one should ever have to be that strong. As a victim now survivor myself this hits so hard. These children should have been protected, like Jessi said, people SAW and did NOTHING!!!! I think they both Jodi and Ruby should have been made to go to trial. I feel like they were able to “take the easy way out” when there was “no easy way out” for all the victims! Thank you Jessi for being so authentic and open with your life to help so many others.

[@kevinknox9543]

I love you, Jesse. thanks for standing up. Brother Delin, you are becoming the finest interviewer on the net, second only to Howard Stern

[@mormonstories]

Wow, thank you

[@3dbabe299]

agree, I love HS interviews and also this guy!!! ❤❤❤

[@breem2999]

yikes! John is ten times the interviewer and empathetic person. Stern is gross and has made countless women uncomfortable in his interviews.

[@mielimedina3146]

@@breem2999I agree, John is on another level (with much more talent and skills in interviews) than Howard.

[@paulajaneabel5205]

Jesse is so smart. It's amazing how much she has her shit together after all she's been through.😊

[@MegaSmashtastic]

John, you are a truly kind and humble person! Amazing and empathetic interview as always.

[@Thebarbknowsbest]

What an inspiring, beautiful person Jessi has become, despite such horrific treatment at the hands of Jodi! Jessi's countenance and general appearance seem more relaxed, peaceful, and whole since Jodi's sentencing. Likely, having Jodi locked up and publicly exposed provides some relief and vindication. Jessi's intelligence and well-informed speaking on trauma are amazing. Thank you Mormon Stories for this update.

[@SmokingOnKeisha]

i’m always so amazed by jessi’s beauty, outward and inward. 🤩🥰

[@VintageAtomic]

I would love to have episodes periodically checking in with Jesse. They are so insightful and fascinating as a person.

[@ThatRedhedd]

I just wanted to give you kudos for setting an amazing example for others of how to show respect for people who use they/them pronouns! 🫶🏻

[@eleanorbrown8005]

This lady is a warrior I absolutely love her so much admiration for her

[@HariVishnudeva]

This young lady has a very, very bright, wonderful inner light. What a lovely human being.

[@janellbeach8616]

What a beautiful human being. Thank you for sharing your story Jessi.

[@JayPee575]

Happy to see them back on the podcast! Jessi has such a magnetic spirit. I wan’t them as a friend!

[@ThatRedhedd]

I just wanted to give you kudos for setting an amazing example for others of how to show respect for people who use they/them pronouns! 🫶🏻

[@tamimorgan8903]

Jessi, you are amazing! Thank you for advocating for these children and for yourself! Thank you for calling the church out!

[@SEABIRDSYMPHONY]

It's not just Mormon or LDS religions that are like that. I was done the same way and was in a cult through a Pentecostal Church growing up as a child. And I totally agree with you Jessi everything you say. About what happened Jody and her false confession and sympathy as well as how the law is in this state for children and her having a parole board to constantly evaluate her and put these victims through more and more excruciating pain and having to re-living this. Godspeed for your recovery as well 🙏

[@raincadeify]

Now that Ruby's journals have been released, I think it's clear how deeply malevolent her manipulations of the kids really were. It's horrifying. Ruby recorded the most twisted conversations between her children as they begged for food and water or to come in out of the AZ sun. Jessi isn't aware of this at the time of this upload, but it shows how open their heart is even after being fucked around by the Mormon Church. I have a lot of respect for them.

[@kaylala7118]

Jesse is such an impressive person and it was wonderful to hear from them.

[@ThatRedhedd]

I just wanted to give you kudos for setting an amazing example for others of how to show respect for people who use they/them pronouns! 🫶🏻

[@green8868]

Thank you for your openess Jessie. It ment alot for my soul to hear, helped me to be more open about myself.

[@DragonPlush_YT]

Speak. Speak. Speak. Jessi you are spot on!!!!!!!! On a day when im feeling so disheartened by the injustices in our country to protect our kids…I am grateful to hear you speak. I’m not Mormon. I never was. I’m just a mom in CA trying to protect her child from a mentally unwell father. Its enraging abusers are given so much more rights and care than any of their victims. It’s excruciating.

[@brothernobody1775]

Jesse should be at every parole hearing

[@macreato911]

Yet the time, money,stress and trauma she would experience is not something to ask of her.

[@MiraBoo]

Jessi is so incredibly beautiful. As a person (at least based on the interviews I’ve seen; I can’t judge beyond that), but also in looks. And Jessi’s so strong as well. I commend their bravery.

[@RASECROD]

Glad to see she’s happier, hopefully she can continue healing and finding peace.

[@Travelling_with_my_dog]

Jessi, you are an articulate and brave human being; thank you for speaking out about this. John, you are such a compassionate interviewer; thank you for giving Jessi a platform.

[@Teez395]

Wow so great to hear from Jessie again. She is so well spoken and has so much self awareness. I hope that her journey continues and she at least feels some justice for her situation. Her story is so powerful for victims and all people to be aware of

[@robinehunter3648]

Jesse is so eloquent. 🙏💝💖💞💓

[@lamesafilipinofoodclub6202]

Oh I’m sad I missed this live so very much looking forward to watching and listening now. Solidarity with survivors everywhere ❤❤❤Thanks of all you do John

[@judysomers2448]

Ruby documented everything. She was abusing all her children way before Jody came into the picture in a pretty horrific way. Granted the two of them brought the abuse to another level . And…Kevin is also complicit. Ugh…heartbreaking

[@pamelacox540]

Kevin was more concerned with being isolated from the 8 passengers money than from his kids. Kevin is another monster.

[@elizabethrose9364]

Jessi is so intelligent and well spoken.

[@jade2927]

I’m happy that she’s doing ok and able to tell her story ❤

[@Miss.sassycassy]

JESSI YOUR TATTOO WORK IS 😍😍😍😍😍😍

[@alitataylor4223]

💯 agree with Jessi regarding Jody’s bs story about not wanting to put kids through the trial. She will not deal with a trial with everyone knowing a lot of the abuse she inflicted! And, as an abuse survivor myself, I get that after the acknowledgment of the abuse..it’s bitter sweet…now we have to accept that it really did happen to us & sit with that reality. When we are fighting we have all that energy behind us , fighting for acknowledgment..just my experience. Sending love Jessi xo

[@beachrando796]

Jessi would do a great KZbinr. Very articulate and compassionate with a great deal of insight

[@cheryshstrong]

Oh thats so true.

[@harperr2180]

Oh they look so much more... not sure of the word... happier? Maybe healed. Cant wait to watch this.

[@ThatRedhedd]

I just wanted to give you kudos for setting an amazing example for others of how to show respect for people who use they/them pronouns! 🫶🏻

[@ackrackpack]

Thanks for having Jessi on again

[@flutterbybird13]

Jessi, I’m sitting here listening to you talk. I’m about 2/3 into the video. I just LOVE listening to us! You have an amazing, sweet, loving teaching tone and attitude! The way you portray yourself is so awesome! I hate I mean REALLY HATE all you have been through!!! I just want you to know that and to thank you for ALL you are and ALL you do! You are precious! PS thank you for your words in helping teach this 57 year old momma, that grew up in a cult myself. I got away from a lot of the ways in trying to parent my children. It didn’t happen over night and I’m still working on it with my grown children and my grandchildren. Just sitting here listening to you I have learned a lot, and I plan on working on using these things in my life. Not just for me, but mainly for my children and grandchildren. Thank you once again! Sending up good vibes to you.

[@claudetterush1086]

Jessi you touch my heart. Power to you!

[@Mark-xh9ne]

Jessi shows intellect and wisdom rarely seen or heard. Thank You!

[@bevlove]

I also think the church and pastor should be made accountable for REFERRING so many of their church goers to jodi !!!!! Also millions of people know the mormon church is a scam!! I just can't understand people who don't educate themselves about the church they dedicate their lives to!

[@cheryshstrong]

I think when you grow up in it, the doctrine and brain washing gets to you before you even start forming your own judgements.

[@mollypaintscows]

Yes, just like the Catholic Church is holding priests accountable (at times). Let’s not forget the nun’s too. Catholic’s have a similar saved by works, being perfect, only the priest can forgive your sins, overlooking the reason why Jesus died on the cross, etc.

[@cyd12845]

I would love to see Jessi with their own KZbin channel. Also, when they comment on the high school drop out status I just think that they have a vocabulary and eloquence often not seen in most college graduates. My grandmother dropped out of school in 8th grade to go to work and she also had a bit of a complex about it, but was highly intelligent and read faster than anyone else I've ever met. There's a lot to be said for self education. Love to Jessi.

[@Scspencer25]

Jessi, you are so well spoken and strong, just a beautiful human. You have no idea the positive effect you have had on people. I am so grateful for you sharing your story. I hope you continue to heal and I know life has beautiful things in store for you. Sending you huge mom squeezes. ❤

[@rozannmoake8146]

Jessi is just completely mesmerizing to me. So gorgeous and smart and kind and good.

[@Anonymous-54545]

Yeah a lot of women w serious trauma histories have this intense empathy and emotional presence as a sort of overdeveloped social skill from a childhood of hypervigilance. But not everything of pathological origin is pathological.