Why Millennials Are Quitting Their Jobs | Great Resignation + r/antiwork

[@ghost-facedhindu4275]

2006: "Go to college or you'll end up flipping burgers." 2010: "What do you mean there are no jobs? You're too good to flip burgers?" 2014: "What do you mean 'a living wage' to flip burgers?" 2020: "Why is no one flipping burgers!?"

[@swilson5320]

This hit me to my core.

[@andrewgodly5739]

One way to interpret that is they killed off all their burger flippers by starving them to death without a livable wage. You can make the food, you just can't eat it

[@thecat3309]

As a milennial this hits me hard.

[@wastedink4059]

@Nope What?

[@wastedink4059]

@Nope thanks for watching I guess, and that does suck if that's the case, hope it's better now

[@5plitpolygon550]

“Work hard so your best and you’ll get the house, the car, the income for children” doesn’t exist anymore. People are grinding just to hold their heads above water

[@dannywayne311]

Sometimes breaking the surface is just a golden dream that’s off over the rainbow

[@dingguscon235]

Still holds true. I did grind for two years working 3 jobs and putting myself through a vocational school. I started my career in a field I am passionate about. I am now debt free, with a home, land, and family and a decent nest egg for the future and significant time left to continue investing. You still have to put in the effort up front and make sacrifices.....but life isn't as hard as some people's choices make it seem. The hardest part I've seen friends/family struggle with is finding a field/job that keeps them excited. Once you have that motivation everything else follows.

[@5plitpolygon550]

Having to work three jobs when people just 10 years ago could serve tables with one and get the same result is nothing to brag about.

[@dingguscon235]

@@5plitpolygon550 People 10 years ago were digging themselves out of the worst economic crisis in modern times. Speaking from experience through that time, I never met a single waiter/waitress that was comparably financially independent. Those that were motivated and driven were the ones that found opportunities to expand beyond working for tips as a career. Responsible decision making, goal setting, and yes hard work has always been and always will be the key to success.

[@RubiixCat]

@@dingguscon235 Unfortunately, having a career you're passionate about that also pays well is something only a incredibly small percentage of people will ever find.

[@vaporduckwave]

I'm not against doing labor, I'm against my time and labor being exploited and undervalued

[@xuchilbara21392]

@@cranberryeater7459 naahh it's not that easy: as a laborer, assuming you come from a low income background, your only options are "work or starve". You have to earn enough money to pay for survival, and if the market shifts in a place, that reduces your labor, survivability also declines. A company can just get new, freshly educated employees from generation to generation to keep staying competitive. A human, has a limited amount of life force and time, to be a competitive being. Imagine you go to law school and after 10 years of brutal hardcore learning you become an accomplished partner in a law firm. Then suddenly automation strikes in your skills become useless or too expensive for the market. Your law firm can simply fire lawyers and employ mashines to adapt to the new market. You as a human, have to go studying robotics or IT for another few years just to fit into a new market and be valuable again. Well how long can you do that? You are 30, now you want to study till you are 35 and then maybe study again and again just to fight against automation??

[@matthewhaas403]

@@cranberryeater7459 it is not voluntary if your only other option is to die from hunger and lack of shelter

[@cranberryeater7459]

Matthew Haas what is a fair reward for your labor? Who determines it?

[@violetly_]

@@cranberryeater7459 Is it voluntary if you end up homeless if you don’t work?

[@cranberryeater7459]

Violetly it’s your choice to be responsible and pay your bills, or to be homeless. It’s your choice to maximize your earning capacity or to remain minimum wage. Minimum wage is for the teenagers to make extra cash on the side for pizza. Make yourself valuable and sell your labor for the competitive rate within your field.

[@paulslee341]

I have been a manager for 15 years, one realization I had regarding employees is that you have to take the position that no matter what is going on life happens. If someone needs to take their kid to the doctor, instead of throwing road blocks in front of them help expedite them to get their child taken care of. In the long run the 4 hours you give that employees makes them realize you actually are in on this as a team the company and employee. 4 hours isnt going to kill a company, losing an employee over something simple does.

[@lovetolearn881]

It's amazing to me so many employers, who I assume are also human, like their employees, don't know this. My husband,who also owned a business was great with this stuff and rarely had anyone quit.

[@tajakjejtam]

Yes, this is simple truth. Believe in yours employees, take their side, thank them for the job they do extra (and pay), just simply be a nice human being. That's all it takes to have a great team!

[@markfreeman4727]

i was a 'don;t give a shit' employee at some of my previous jobs, and it was because the managers there took the EXACT OPPOSITE approach to treating their employees

[@hillariat2147]

God I wish more bosses had the same mindset as you

[@thomasebert5289]

My boss now thinks like you do and it’s made me want to stay when someone tried to poach me away to a bigger company. I may not make as much now but my boss will be more than willing to pay me more in the future, and knowing that is enough for me right now.

[@kevinpopescu9741]

It's so goddamn satisfying to see abusive companies finally getting the shit they deserve for their actions.

[@qwertyqwert2772]

It eventually DID bite them in the as$!

[@staresattheworld]

@@qwertyqwert2772 Yes but we're all getting bit.

[@JohnSmith-lt1ck]

@@staresattheworld I see that as a win. A lot of people tend to turn a blind eye to the suffering of others if it’s of little consequence to them.

[@Phl3xable]

Do you idiots realise that people are quitting their jobs and finding new jobs? The unemployment rate is going down.

[@JohnSmith-lt1ck]

@@Phl3xable What kind of idiot would I be if I *did* know that? I have a reputation to uphold. Some of us have to work really hard to get this dumb.

[@will9001asd]

Businesses: "Go get better jobs if you want higher pay" *Workers leave underpaying jobs* Businesses: "No, not like that"

[@TheFirstTriplefife]

This.

[@michaelwillette5837]

Yeah, this is underrated.

[@MrJagorin]

I work as a slot machine technician for 17.60. When the Biden economy hit 14% inflation we asked the casino to increase our wages to match the inflation. We were told that if we wanted a raise we'd need to find new jobs. To put our pay into perspective, the next closest casino pays 35/hr for the same position.

[@kasperbolding18]

@@geeknoid Just because you was raised a slave and eventually ended up becoming a good slave, doesn't mean it's a good option.

[@iceescape]

@@MrJagorin Why don't you go apply for the 35/hr job then? The more skilled and motivated employees should be able to find the better jobs in this current job market. Don't get complacent.

[@siaishyu]

I lost respect to my previous boss after she asked me to come back to office ASAP when I'm at my hometown to be with my late father who was in coma. I went back to the office willingly and my father passed away the next day while she complained that everyone did all my work while I was away. I have realization that this kind of company won't care if we we're dying inside. All they care is the company profit. I hope everyone who is struggling will find the courage to remove themselves in this situation and have some compassion towards one another.

[@Kevin-kj5th]

I always tell people that a corporation doesn’t care about you

[@p2p104]

@@Kevin-kj5thThats why I never fitted in corporate environment, I could see thru smokes and mirrors of socalled corporate family environment.

[@Kevin-kj5th]

@@p2p104 yea once your eyes are opened it’s harder to shut them to what’s obvious

[@uk9383]

One time I didn't get a job because the employer recognized that I have been working at better places and I don't need the money because my dad is rich and I can afford to quit and take time to find a better job. they already knew I would quit so they didn't hire me because they didn't have leverage over me. I don't need their job so they couldn't bully me. they want someone that they could push around. They only want someone that they have every advantage over.

[@mrs.quills7061]

@@p2p104 I hate the term “family” in an office setting that’s a huge red flag to me. Like no you’re not my family and I’m not gunna give my life to you wtf.

[@MasterTSayge]

You did exactly what I did. I quit my office job and became a Minimalist in 2020 and worked part-time as a tour guide. My pay was cut in half but I became extremely happier! I lost 55 pounds, became more healthier, made more friends, spent more time with family, and went outside more. I had no idea how poisonous office environments were. NEVER AGAIN! Plus, I'm proud of all of you for quietquitting.

[@ramon3077]

Super curious; what parts of your life became more minimalist? I've had the same idea. I realized I'd much rather live in a very small space if it mean less money towards rent. And reducing purchase costs across the board of course.

[@mysteriousman4966]

how do you do this man? serious question? you dont have bills, rent, food, car etc?

[@dabbbles]

​@@mysteriousman4966 Sounds odd, but is one of the more REALISTIC posts. Much of it lies in the the false PRECONCEPTIONS that we 'NEED' most of the crap. We DON'T need a mortgage or rental-premesis. We DON'T need a car, power-bills, particular clothes, etcetcetc. The FIRST law of nature is ADAPTATION; which means we make-do with what's available (and get used to the thought-pattern that the 'usual' use for what's available is NEVER the only one. (Nor even the BEST one depending one your circumstances; and THEY only apply to the moment you're in. (ie your needs/requirements/desires are likely to be entirely different in a few hours or days.) You've GOT TO keep all options open. Like a wombat who suddenly realises the grass he's been eating for a week has gone all dry and tasteless. He DOESN'T get uptight and try to 'improve' the grassy patch (or buy insurance against dry grass); he wanders off and finds a different patch. And if on the way he finds himself in an orchard he might decide not to bother with grass at all, and stuff himself with fruit instead. Here's a lesson we should ALL keep to the front of our minds: Cockroaches have inhabited earth since 100,000,000 years BEFORE the dinosaurs. Yep! ONE HUNDRED MILLION YEARS! They've adapted to some of the most horrendous challenges we could imagine (including your mother with a can of Mortein!) and are STILL, unstoppably, among us. And my observatiuons tell me that they'll still be here long after homosaps have been flushed down the sewer of extnction.(Like the dinosaurs). And throughout those hundreds of millions of years, and the endless catastrophes they've NEVER bothered with "..bills, rent, food, car etc?" Why do YOU? And incidentally, there's never been a single report in documented history of a single cockroach being homeless or going hungry. Are they REALLY so much more intelligent than us, with our huge brains full of bullshit!?

[@felixthecat2786]

@@mysteriousman4966 You really only need enough money to pay for rent. You can get a gigantic bag of rice for a few dollars if you look into ethnic food stores. Move to a walkable town or city and you don't have to worry about owning a car at all. I paid off my car loan last year and gave the car to my parents. It's one less ball and chain I have to deal with in my life. I don't ever want to own a house or condo because I don't want to have to deal with a mortgage. If I could, I would move to a European city that offers free health care because who wants to pay 200 dollars a month just for healthcare?

[@LisaSoulLevelHealing]

Same. I downsized, declutter. I travel on a budget, and my income is from various sources : tax refunds, selling items, airbnb my home while traveling. Downsizing opened up better health and travel. No more jobs

[@HauAufKacke]

This generation has watched their parents work their asses off only to still be miserable and live a passive ass life. No wonder nobody wants to do it if thats the way the abyss stares back at us

[@iloveaxel5690]

This. I'd rather live poor and unemployed than a little less poor and employed with no free time

[@ca-ke9493]

Lol since I was 9 i was scared to grow up, the adults all seemed miserable.

[@matthewcoombs3282]

I am a fifty two year old Gen-X er. My Gen Z kids have seen their old man have a work stressed breakdown, always be out of the house working, and have a broken marriage to their mother. They are not stupid. Nothing wrong with their generation they are a lot more switched on than I was at their age. They are good people.

[@noct8225]

@@matthewcoombs3282 as a gen z we appreciate you and are angry on your behalf, we are tired of how your generation has been treated. I sincerely hope it gets better for you and all of us.

[@PuertoRicanGrinderX]

@@ca-ke9493 Same, I knew adulthood was awful even as a kid, dreaded it for years and now I'm here lol

[@VAPORFEELS]

All the jobs I’ve had I did it just for the money. Mindless work, the only challenge was grinding. Not actual achievement. Same with school. Falling in line with academia just because it’s what my family wanted. Pretending to enjoy computer science. That never panned out and I started working at a factory. I climbed fast and saw there was no future. I quit my job and became a plumbing apprentice. Everyday I learn something. I learn a SKILL that I can take with my anywhere. Not something that gets lost at a singular job. What I’m doing now applies to life not just money. I feel accomplished, I feel challenged, I feel like a human being and a man.

[@lx130]

You sir, are what some may call, a beast. Good on you! Really have life by the reigns.

[@deadinside8781]

Kinda want to become a plumber myself. It pays well and I'm not against fixing other people's clogs. I do really like the idea that you could even open your own business if you wanted to. What the person above me said is right, you should remember this part of yourself and be proud that you always did right by yourself.

[@ilikecookies230]

A plumber with a computer science degree is a dangerous plumber my guy, if I need to install wifi to my toilet I’ll give you a call

[@deadinside8781]

@@ilikecookies230 Lots of Asian countries and Japan have smart toilets. Could come in handy. Idk if any of them is a wifi hotspot or whatever but I wouldn't be surprised

[@DeusExNihilo]

it's always important to keep in mind that work of any kind will never be fulfilling. switching careers feels good because it's a new challenge, but it's easy to forget that it doesn't have objective meaning. I've been a machinist for the past 5 years and am starting to feel the purposelessness again.

[@zoex7993]

“[Using PR, companies] are not actually fixing the problem, they’re just fixing the perception of the problem.” -!!!!!! YES. Absolutely.

[@TheGeniusStyle]

@kingsquid it was coherent. If you actually understand the world. A companies public image Helps then win cases. Who do judges and juries consist of? The public? So if you always hear good things then the company can't be that bad because of its public perception is positive. Like talking your way of a bad situation you caused. Do it with a smile and you can get away with almost anything. You must be a blissful person.

[@AmberyTear]

Funny what corporations managed to learn from practices of religious sects. :|

[@Leitis_Fella]

@@TheGeniusStyle "Charismatic leaders should come with a warning label -- May Be Hazardous To Your Health." -Frank Herbert Herbert's wisdom applies to more people than just politicians.

[@coreykrochmal3465]

Say it with me folks: "Improve the material conditions of the working class." Your image doesn't matter if people are quitting en masse because your working conditions are garbage.

[@Grunk369]

@kingsquid no it most certainly helps

[@mikemoss9559]

Everyone else in life: "The company doesnt need you, you need the company" millennials: *BLUFF CALLED*

[@dabbbles]

It's a lesson I was gifted by my ancestors, and have been living since decades before the Millennials were a gleam in the Boomers eyes! The same sentiment should be applied to the endless 'Terms & Conditions' of other dictates. I always make a point of telling such wanna-be's: 'It's MY money, Ralph: and YOU want it' (for a product 'YOU' DON'T want: otherwise you wouldn't be trying to sell it!). ANY 'Terms and Conditions' required will be set by ME! There are plenty of alternative sellers that WILL take my money. And if not I'm willing to find an alternative or go without. I came across a list of shit 'conditions' last week when looking at vans; but the WORST of all are the 'Privacy' T&Cs demanded by virtually all websites. I either find a way around them or go elsewhere. Dunno how ANYBODY with any self-respect could accept them.

[@maxspecs]

Also millennials: why are all the stores closing?

[@mikemoss9559]

@@maxspecs "its okay we have amazon.." starts singing the jeff bezos song while making him richer.

[@maxspecs]

@@mikemoss9559 Can confirm people are quitting Amazon too lol

[@mikemoss9559]

@@maxspecs South Park made me do it. Working for a company and taking your pay and giving back to said company is poison. Much worse than being a part of shifting wealth around from person to person.

[@deerhaven3350]

I'm 66-years-old and although now retired I absolutely love how COVID and the internet have finally leveled the playing field between employers and employees. I worked for a large corporation that was truly a "churn and burn" environment and I hung in there for five years because I was making a very good wage, but they treated everyone like crap. It would've been nice to have had other options so I wasn't crying in my car every day after leaving work. Great presentation. I even learned an abbreviation I didn't know (GTFO). Thank you!

[@simonelliot3712]

It didn't really level the playing field, but, it did lessen the uphill climb.

[@TheTechDweller]

@@simonelliot3712 I think like the doc says, the internet is a tool, it can be used for good or ill. As a tool, the same as the printing press and gunpowder, they were and still are very much used for negative purposes. It's how we are using the internet in a healthy positive way that's important. It very much is an equalizer, we still need to put in the effort to actually level out this playing field. It will take time still, but it will definitely have a lasting effect on corporations and workers.

[@Rtw111]

The ppl quitting their jobs are suffering and living off their parents they are not becoming level with the owners. Once the boomers can no longer sustain their adult children it will start hitting the fan- and they will more readily accept socialism into their lives

[@mikelinniii1186]

@Lee M Can already tell youve been handed everything.Thats EASY.Thanks mom and dad

[@Donndivaa]

Same, I’ve literally be crying everyday before work for a year now... I just quit my job, onto entrepreneurship

[@MultiBritt08]

(old millennial here) Our children are seeing this lifestyle of work, work, work for little, hearing us complain, and not wanting to be a part of it. Spending years of their life in the school system and then feeling lost when they're done.

[@pablorojas4398]

Bingo

[@xfuie]

💯

[@toscatattertail9813]

The schools and the college degree you got used to get you a job that was going to pay a decent income. That is not the story anymore. My son refuses to go to college and put himself in debt Just to get "a degree of some kind" because his father thinks it will guarentee a job. My daughter did this to appease her father and ended up in retail. It has taken her 10 years to work into a managerial position, but she worked her ass off to get it and is carrying 60K in loan debt for a degree that is totally unrelated to what she is doing.

[@Nasty_J]

The schooling they are choosing to do is not one that is useful though. Hard to feel for them when they pick some liberal arts degree and expect 6 figures right after college lol. I also blame society telling kids they need a degree to succeed and make lots of money when trade skills can bring in a lot of money too.

[@Fallen_Ninja]

@@Nasty_J not everyone picks a liberal arts degree. In fact most don’t.

[@amaurys93]

The pandemic helped many realize their job was pointless, a time sink, detrimental, choose Your adjective it all fits.

[@voidinheritant]

all results of corporate hustle culture which all stem from the root cause - capitalism.

[@paisleesheppard5629]

If life was a novel, jobs are the filler chapters everyone skips because there's no story progression. Some filler chapters are less bad because they have character development. Written with all the enthusiasm of an author who didn't know what 'in-house for hire' meant and loathes the material with every fibre of his being. I've had too much internet for today. 🥴

[@fredettaboutit]

It’s only pointless if the government supports you with a bunch of free money when you don’t work. And by free money I mean paid for by the people that do work. If all of the lower class decided not to work plus all the middle class that work difficult and or miserable jobs decided not to work…. What do you geniuses think would happen exactly

[@bobobsen]

@@fredettaboutit almost as if employers should offer more rewarding and fairer work instead of just trying to maximise their own profits

[@s0ne01]

@@bobobsen 💀

[@quantumenergy3334]

Green Day lyrics “My Mom says to get a job. But she don’t like the ones she’s got.” This explains in a nutshell why kids don’t want to work. They watched their parents come home mad and even crying and constantly stressed out and on top of that are still struggling to make ends meet. And it deprived those kids of a healthy, happy parent when they were home. Little energy to play and often emotionally drained. Why would they look forward to that? Adulting to them equals misery, being disrespected, not valued, not having a life, being exhausted all the time, and being unhappy for very little benefit. The lower the income bracket the more truth to this. This is what they grew up witnessing. This had a huge effect of both of my now mid 20 year old kids. They have told me what it was like for them. They are not lazy, they are smart. One has only had a few short term jobs and still lives with me and the other has high blood pressure and is a stressed out workaholic but owns a house at 25. He is already beginning to burnout and is looking for alternatives to working a job.

[@dylansmith6078]

Very true my mom worked 3 jobs being a medical researcher, nurse, and worked at winners. All to afford the roof and food for her kids as a single parent my biggest fear is not a dangerous job or death but having a divorce when you have kids absolute nightmare.

[@MetaphoricalMountaineering]

What's the next lyric? Maybe we can derive some wisdom from that... what is it?

[@RMNTZ]

I remember my mom telling me how she doesn't want to go to her job for numerous times throughout my school years, and I vividly remember other adults that were dissatisfied with their jobs. I was even told that I should enjoy my school years because after that i'll have it just like the adults around, implying that there's only misery ahead. I kid you not, it wasn't until recently that I finally understood why I wasn't even remotely excited to get my first job or any job. I'm 27 now. I like to do.. stuff, I'm not lazy, but this dread that I got from those adults around seems to be forever ingrained in my head, even though I do understand that not everyone has it like they had.

[@dylansmith6078]

@@RMNTZ it is 100% psycological my mom loves her job my aunt loves her job my uncle enjoys his job as well i saw some people not like their job as well like friends parents, there are a lot of jobs I did not like but I settle into one I do so I never see it through another lense of somone surrounded by negativity. A lot of people at my current job hate it and they look at me like I have 3 heads when i walk in with a smile its wack

[@alexisalexander9037]

Nobody likes being a slave and being lied to about being free. @@RMNTZ

[@Endymion766]

kind of proud of so many younger people saying no to that "daily grind". Maybe something better can come along. As someone who never quit, I can say, it lead to me staying in my "first apartment" for 15+ years and never making enough to get a home or anything else. So my hard work rewarded with the privilege of living in a small box for my whole life. It's not a bad life but most people want a bit more right? There's no longer a clear path to home ownership and people are quitting the "path to nowhere" lifestyles.

[@mrs.quills7061]

Me too. I think our “daily grind” should be spent on bettering ourselves and relationships or a hobby we want to pursue. Soul sucking corporate grinding is not worth it at all.

[@ostaniawhestalis8416]

@@mrs.quills7061 I fully agree ,the pharmacist near our home , pay fully his workers with only a 5 hour shift (full time job ) they really respect him , and they don't make a lot of mistakes that come from overworking . All of them have side hobbies . While other pharmacists overwork theirs and if they protest they start blackmailing them or outright threaten them.

[@ling636]

They are just lazy 🤷‍♂️ Antiwork Reddit is literally just coomers, and gamers that just want to that. Would not be surprised if a high proportion of them have a mental illness

[@syrup7894]

you were grinding wrong clearly

[@leej1759]

@@ling636 why do you keep assuming everyone in this movement is anti-job?! Most people are anti-corporation! We are investing in ourselves because we woke up and realized big corp isn’t going to…There’s too many free and cheap courses out there to sit around doing nothing! The entrepreneurial spirit is burning brighter than it has in decades!

[@hardrockyodeling2629]

It's definetely not a America-exclusive phenomenon. In China, more and more young people are sick of the toxic work culture and shitty bosses.

[@ZelosSama]

China is not a good examole. They just have bad working environnment and standards to begin with. Not regularised as otyer modern countries , so ifc they are fed up with it.

[@AmazingMrMe123]

I've heard the movement is called 'lying flat' over there but I dont know much about it.

[@charlottemedina8209]

is anyone doing anything about it though? since their government is so strict and it's hard for us to find out...

[@hardrockyodeling2629]

@@charlottemedina8209 Actually it's the corporates that forsecd this working style on the people. The government turn a bilnd eye to this since it's good for the economy(debatable).

[@prostspezi5]

Poor people sell their life for money while rich people buy their life with money.

[@bluebutterfly5062]

I had a boss who was in her late 60s, very educated and get sweet. I loved her personally, but she was a TERRIBLE boss. Anytime we would explain to her we had serious concerns like our safety, disrespect from our clients, or our ridiculous expectations, she'd go on a rant about how our generation is so lazy and her answer to everything was "you guys just don't want to work." At the same time, she wouldn't do anything about it, like write ppl up for sucking at their job. I was the first to quit and she was so disappointed because i was one of those doormats, or as she called, "a hard worker." I left cuz I was burnt out. Instead of asking why I was leaving and how they could help, my boss told me half way thru my 2 weeks "I was hoping you'd change your mind" without giving me any reason to do so! This guy gets it

[@joevegaxv]

I feel you. My superior has good personality but is the absolute worst boss. He never bothered understanding the role of my job and kept making decisions that messes up my work flow. It was so irritating to be working for such an incompetent person. When I resigned, he displayed that similar disappointment as you mentioned, but I knew I was done with this shit job even if my colleagues were amazing. While I had people persuading me to stay, they too, similar like you, gave me absolutely no reason to change my mind other than attempting to make me emphatize what would happen to my boss should I leave because I'm so "competent" and it would be a huge loss to the company.

[@mimi1girl2dempsey3]

I quit my job three years ago due to poor management. It was time he left his sons take over as he was lost half the time but kept micro managing everything. We all walked around like zombies waiting for the next instruction that crossed his mind. Every day was a new project going nowhere. Start something stupid on Monday, tear it down Tuesday and start over Wednesday. He's 82 now and still running the company into the ground. His sons are waiting for him to die so they can take over and undo his destruction.

[@targetedandfiring4336]

"Young people never like working" is one of the reasons I left my job in fast food to tutor. My bosses never respected my time. I was a full time student and they expected me to work outside of my availability - when I had classes. It was frustrating to deal with and it didn't help that I was one of the slower workers (doesn't matter that I was pouring sweat with the effort to keep up with people who had been doing that job for 40 years and that the position I was hired for (cashier) was not the position they had me working (food prep). ). It was very frustrating to deal with always being disrespectful to my time and myself. So I left. Didn't have anything lined up but I had to get out of there. Since then I've been tutoring while at school. I've enjoyed it so far. Seeing people understand things was awesome and while I don't think I could be a teacher (dealing with more than one student at a time would be exhausting) it's a nice side gig while I work for a new job that isn't very manual. One that I can work at home at sounds fun.

[@bluebutterfly5062]

@@joevegaxv i hate it when they guilt trip you into staying like "you're such an asset to us" But you don't treat me like one! I just do 3X the work for the same pay as the person next to me. If these companies would understand how to truly value and reward their "assets" they would not constantly lose them

[@bluebutterfly5062]

@@mimi1girl2dempsey3 not to be agest, but i believe that just as children at a young age should not be working, adults at too old of an age should not be working either. But since our economy sucks, some ppl stay in work that long cuz they have to and that sucks. For those who just run things bcuz they don't want to give it to the "lazy" new generation, find an apprentice you trust, train them, and go enjoy your retirement

[@Saeiyu]

This problem can be summed up by something I heard once “People quit terrible Bosses, not the jobs.” I have found it to be true in many cases.

[@onyourleft5648]

Well wages are the other main factor…for a salary of 10 million dollars I doubt most people would care about a shitty job or long hours but when you are on minimum wage/subsistence wages…

[@dcarbs2979]

@@onyourleft5648 I've worked in a number of industries and a number of working patterns. Some things for work there is not enough money in the world for me to do it ever again: customer facing and a long journey being just 2.

[@renamako8845]

It’s pretty accurate… it’s honestly just bad unethical management and HR, that drive good employees away. Like my retail job is good in terms of payment. But… how it’s managed it’s like they grasp at straws and is flimsy… currently in the process of distancing myself from them.

[@dcarbs2979]

@@steve00alt70 But not every job is faking smiles to build up fake rapport with someone you've only just met because you need to sell them something. Some jobs are doing our own thing most of the time while working with people you know and someone else does the selling, while I'm left top do what I'm good at (not selling!).

[@jessecrum9069]

80% of employees leave a job BECAUSE of management

[@issasecretbuddy]

many of us have lived to see our parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles pay their dues for 20, 30, 40 years and then get absolutely screwed.

[@politedemons]

my uncle is 79 and has a horrible back and is rather lonely and seems unhappy he worked 40 yrs on the railroad and has a lot of money but he has that oldschool saving ability so he has barley spent any of it its just sitting there thats his reward for working hard as hell while crippling himself slowly and the worst part is i don't think he realizes this or wants to. Its sad how someone so genuine and hard working doesnt get to enjoy his retirement. i almost want to get revenge but how do you do that without a time machine?

[@Densoro]

My stepdad worked diligently to enjoy life ‘later.’ He died at 35. Those fuckers scammed him out of his whole life, and for-profit medicine left him to die.

[@olegdzyuba2489]

@@politedemons Get revenge on whom? Who's fault is that your uncle worked for 40 years and won't spend any of his savings to fix his back or make his life better?

[@politedemons]

@@olegdzyuba2489not everyone thinks the same. I'm just saying that its unfortunate he worked so hard and didn't have a smooth retirement. The revenge comment isn't serious its just a way to describe how much it bothers me.

[@SlugSage]

@@politedemons visit your uncle bro

[@gadget_hack]

The Google highlight, on how they keep their employees happy is the best perk. Where I'm currently working. I can eat whenever I want. I can take as many breaks as I want. On slow days I can even play games during business hours. All my boss asks for is that I get work done and good customer service. I suffer from adhd, bipolar, and anxiety. When I screw up he doesn't get upset. We work together to make it right. Because of this, I love going to work. Not having the typical stress of feeling your boss is out to fire you/ yell at you for everything, is amazing.

[@BeepBoop-z2v]

Same, I work in a small manufacturing company that does shipping and some paperwork. The owners are a couple that I can speak to personally if I needed anything. Because of this, I work for a low pay, they're giving us a raise once the new year comes around, it's taking a bit because the actual boss died recently so I understand and take an L for the holidays so that they can get everything in order since he died and lost another worker. And I look for ways to make work more efficient on my free time sometimes

[@noct8225]

🥺as someone w adhd, anxiety etc. wld u mind saying what field u work in?

[@boomboomBANG456]

What’s your position at Google?

[@teratoma.]

im in IT and have similar benefits its sad how people accepted being slaved and abused as normalcy

[@joshlibrawood6779]

Hearing that google treats its workers well, while at the same time hearing that google bans/censors political views, collects personal data to sell to advertisers, is very jarring. It's like a corp can't not be evil, but google found a way to redirect their evil to the consumers instead of their workers.

[@MsGenXodus]

I LOVE that people submitted fake applications for companies who were experiencing a worker strike. Fred Meyer workers (owned by Kroger) went on strike in Portland, Oregon last Friday after not agreeing to a labor contract for over 6 months. It's funny because the workers got literally everything they wanted in an agreement in less than 24 hours. I guess having your stores closed the week before Christmas was incentive enough for Kroger to treat their people right.

[@X3R0D3D]

when i worked for canada post, we went on strike in early december a few years ago, and the government got a stern phone call from jeff bezos and legislated us back to work with mandatory $5000 fines for anyone who tried to strike. the liberals had a majority at the time. the rich pull their power any time they get the chance.

[@madprophetus]

@@X3R0D3D This is why I'm glad I live in the first world, not Canada.

[@X3R0D3D]

@@madprophetus1st world? where like norway or something? the US is a 3rd world country.

[@kevintheshane]

I’m a fan of collective bargaining but is this really a good thing? The whole point of collective bargaining is to get a better deal because you’re worth more together as a group than as individuals. Not, “agree to our terms or we’ll mess with your shit.”

[@HerocowTheRusher]

@@kevintheshane What makes the collective have more bargaining power in your opinion?

[@LDT7Y]

Society to millenial kids: Get a good education, follow the rules, work hard, save your money and one day you can have a home and family and be happy. Society to millenial adults: Yeah, we lied. Houses are now 10000000000000 x your salary and the dating market is screwed so even if you could afford kids you'll likely be alone forever. But we still want you to work your ass off 24/7 because those of us who already bought homes need you to pay our pensions. Oh yeah, and there likely won't be any pension for you when you're older. But keep working your soul destroying job with the 3 hour commute for reasons.

[@arii426]

LOL yeah they told me I wouldnt have a social security, its okay. Ill save :'(

[@cranberryeater7459]

Working is for suckers. Don’t go to school. Be a deadbeat, freeloading socialist on welfare instead.

[@melindagallegan5093]

So what happens if we stop paying for others’ pensions now?

[@johnpett1955]

It feels like the world is just falling apart and there's nothing we could do about it.

[@thecat3309]

As a milennial, I confirm, this is it! I am so sick of it.

[@chriscarter4563]

For me, I'm sort of questioning what we are all working towards.... everything we think we need money for besides a house and food is useless. Life has become an endless series of sales pitches, and a maze of marketing campaigns, everywhere you look a corporation is trying to tell you why you NEED their product. Being selective about jobs isn't enough, we need our entire culture to shift. We live in a world where your only worth, is net. Your value isn't intrinsic it's monetary. And our pursuit of this is literally turning us into the humans from wall-e, a bunch of fat disconnected slabs of meat stuck in the consumer loop. Work, get paid, consume, work, get paid, consume. That's what our masters have us doing and this is what they want us to keep doing forever.

[@user-xw4vg1vy5e]

This deserves more likes! Well said 👏

[@TheCosmicGuy0111]

Lowkey same I’ve kinda gotten mentality of eh we’re all gonna die anyways so doesn’t really matter. Which is kinda sad but true why am I gonna slave away for realistically no reason.

[@gliiitched4429]

I think it’s worse than that - we willingly sell ourselves into slavery for the sake of the economic machine. We work our whole life away, for what? To line the pockets of our higher ups? It’s servitude, slavery. We give up our whole lives to work for a system that will barely ever benefit us on a meaningful level, a system we were born into. But, nonetheless, it’s a system we all walk into because we’re taught we can make it big, and we always do as we’re told because we never actually look at the bigger picture, and if we do, so many of us are still shackled down because letting our minds and bodies rot and losing our freedom is the only way to survive.

[@cryptoinside8814]

@@gliiitched4429 So what is the bigger picture ?

[@PySnek]

It wasn't much different centuries ago. Well, it was only for food back then and you've worked non stop, the whole day and died much much younger. That's just life, face it! The universe doesn't care.

[@Stuke51]

I'm a late millennial. I've learned the best raise you'll ever get is when you quit one job in favor of another. Loyalty doesn't get you too far these days, so always have one foot out the door when another opportunity presents itself.

[@ThatGuy-c]

You pretty much never get what you're worth after years at the same job. It's lame but yeah job hopping seems to be the way

[@gameer1010]

That’s why the 2 year rule exists. Never stay at the same job for more than 2 years

[@AB-ez4rm]

Company loyalty to an employee died way before millennials were born. I'm happy you discovered it for yourself. But it's been going on since at least the 60's

[@Stuke51]

@@AB-ez4rm Absolutely! You turn in your resignation, and they'll have your replacement lined up in a mere few days. My first job after trade school that exact thing happened. Hell, I even trained my replacement. Glad Iearned that in my first job. It was a much needed lesson. Since then, I've yet to stick with a job for 2 years or more and it's rewarded me greatly!

[@asadb1990]

so true and same goes for career growth and promotion in rank. specially at big companies because the employer looks to promote their buddies first and then from outside the company and finally the talented hardworking person who actually does the work. so for both raise and promotion changing jobs is best. personal story i worked hard at a company for over 2.5 years. my boss kept pretending i would get the promotion if i got the rest of the training as i was at an entry level role. 2 years passed and he promises by next year i will be ready. i was so stupid. then 2months before im laidoff, my boss becomes department head. i think my time is almost here. but surprise, im let go 2 months later. i was wtf, haven't been able to trust a single word from anyone at work since. but it was a blessing in disguise. managed to find a job with 40% raise within weeks. and did an accessment, i can already move to a job at 20k.

[@produceman13]

Such a great point about how the hardest working model employees get screwed over the most. Never forget that these corporations are anti human, and they will throw you away at the drop of a hat for all your hard work and dedication. And if you get hurt on the job, they will even try to weasel out of paying for that too. You can never be sick, you can never take a vacation, and you are totally disposable.

[@dianp4824]

It's like you described my job LOL.

[@gettemarie9405]

I've noticed it too. Also, schools teach u to be employees.

[@MerryMoose]

I remember the game from your profile pic, so sad that they stopped making it :(

[@trolloftheyear7963]

Jobs don't pay enough to live, unless you live in a car. That's the whole problem in a nutshell.

[@Seraphus87]

That only works if you have a car to begin with...

[@dabbbles]

Millions of people would LOVE a comfortable, warm car to live in. The REAL "whole problem in a nutshell" are the morons who either can't/won't adapt to what they CAN afford, or (alternatively) CONTINUE to 'work' for an employer who doesn't 'pay enough'. Question is: IF you fcwits show willing to continue to work for 35 cents an hour WhyTF would any employer be stupid enough to pay 35 DOLLARS an hour? (or even 38 cents??) I personally dislike the whole idea of 'Unions': always UNRELIABLE; but the ancient union movements proved, time and again, that TOTAL withdrawal of all labour (particularly nationwide) would achieve all sorts of possibilities. Once factories/major service-centres including banks and entire industries/ etc. (and possibly even enforcement agencies like police/national-guard/etc.) shut their doors the federal government would have NO OPTION but to step in and MANDATE workable pay-rates. All it requires is a few brains and a bit of guts; but that's a sure guarantee that it'll never happen. Not that I care: I'm half a rifle-shot from my heart-attack. But I AM so sad for the kids out there today. They're heading into a world that you wouldn't send a dead dog, and it'll be so tightly controlled (even more scarily by AI !!) that they won't stand a chance of becoming real 'people' (In fact 'Social-Standard' computer-chip implants may become mandatory in the next year or two) . And history will record the cause as being the Stupidity and Gutlessness of their ancestors dating back to the mid-1950s.

[@theeccentric7263]

@@dabbbles Are you okay dude?

[@dabbbles]

@@theeccentric7263 ​ Not sure to what you refer, but yes: I'm OK. My only problem is rapidly advancing age . I've had a long and tempestuous life due to NEVER being able to accept, or even tolerate, the bullshit which wastes so many people's existence: so it's been an endless fight; with the few notable 'successes' more than outweighing the plethora of 'failures'. But I'm now losing the physical attributes needed: loss of physical and mental capacity (mostly memory). I could never understand why so many people would permit the stresses and struggles IMPOSED by 'institutions' (governments/social-mores/financial dead-ends/etc/etc.) to destroy their ONLY real 'value': their universal individuality and the potential it nurtures. (and which they owe their offspring by passing it along; instead of making it their life's ambition to 'train' the kids to 'fit in'.) I'm aware that such loss CAN be written off as evolutionary process (as is a virulent cancer!) but I still can't help but resent it. Never surrender!

[@dabbbles]

@@Seraphus87 The voice of practicality. But there ARE options if you know how to unearth them. At least that's so here in Oz. (I was released from gaol years ago with a total worldly weath of less than $10 and these days my only concern is how to place my money in a good cause. But although I've living in a useful little villa (long, funny story!) I still have an old Econovan I bought years ago for next to nothing, which is still able to be used to live in, as I did for 38 months back down the track. Where are you located?

[@quinnbeasley94]

I don't mind working, but I hate getting ripped off

[@voidinheritant]

so you hate work. because as of right now, all work is ripping us off.

[@zoex7993]

Toootallyyy!!

[@instinct94]

@ᐺᓰ ᐺᘿᖇᓰ ᐻᙍᘉᓿᐻᙍᖇᏕᑗᙢ ᐺᓰᐺʊϚ ᐺᓰᑢᓰ Yeah, also no time for anything else, including complaining about shit, because if you hadn't been on the fields from 4am to night, you and your family would rot and starve like rats. and even if you did, many would still have this fate. you have every right to recognize the things we can still improve, but to look back in time with your privileged eyes and think it used to be better is maximum delusion.

[@dododecoco]

@ᐺᓰ ᐺᘿᖇᓰ ᐻᙍᘉᓿᐻᙍᖇᏕᑗᙢ ᐺᓰᐺʊϚ ᐺᓰᑢᓰ I don't think thats true at all, todays rich countries probably are the best places to live since before the creation of the first states

[@instinct94]

@@voidinheritant Absolutely not. There are a lot of people, who enjoy what they are doing and who happily agree to the terms they are offered.

[@martialartess]

The main reason why younger adults don't want to work for twenty years and defer their happiness until after retirement is because they know they're not going to get that retirement. What's the point of planning to work for forty years when your employer is going to fire you after thirty-five? It's funny that the people who are complaining the loudest about how workers don't want to work to put in a full day's work are those who've never had to.

[@shipmate3577]

I think this is so true. In the US military, retirement after 20 years is going away and it doesn’t make sense for younger Service Members to stay in after they have training and experience

[@ThatsJustEric]

Exactly 💯

[@funfun5656]

Wouldn't paying out that 35 years service worth of severance on a a mass standard procedural basis be more expensive than taking a comparatively smaller value and placing it in some sort of mutual fund that pays the employee out after 40 years? I know at will employment technically implies the possibility of a no severance termination however this rarely turns out to be the case once lawyers, unions and/or labor boards are involved.

[@johnberry2877]

Yes! See it myself in Michigan. Companies like GM hire all these temps and then dangle the carrot of full time employment with GM in front of them. Only to be able to get them to work like dogs and exploit them. All while the regular GM workers sleep on the job and come in stoned or drunk daily !

[@la6136]

Yes the days of retirement, social security and a 401k are gone. Alot of millenials and gen z have realized that now!

[@enriquegarciacota3914]

You hit a lot of points, but missed one, perhaps because ot doesn’t apply to knowledge workers that much: when COVID started, companies laid people off immediately. Then they cried when after COVID (we are still not really “after”) people would not rejoin. For their workers, stability was the point.

[@soulsearching7738]

Yes!!! This!!!

[@zasterheffor]

Exactly this. In 2020, large corporations received a corporate bailout in the form of the 2.2 trillion nCOV19 relief bill passed by the senate. These same corporations went on to defraud the federal government by taking more stimulus money than was due, ran interference to stop DOJ investigations into the matter, only to then lay off thousands of their own workers after making profit. It's ironic that this Dr. K guy proclaims himself not to be a leftist when the political views inherent in this "scientific" analysis - which isn't scientific, as he himself prefaced, since this lacks any literature or any study methodology at its basis - are fundamentally leftist. Leftists have always advocated for better working conditions, negative selective pressures on employers, living wages, etc. Capitulating to the fear of ostracization by saying "I'm not a leftist" is self-defeating. You cannot advocate for that which you believe to be the rights of the worker while dissociating yourself from community that advocates for these same rights. The US economy is defined by socialism for the rich, and rugged laissez-faire capitalism for the poor.

[@MrFacemeltify]

Exactly. Laying off people at the first sign of instability really doesn't sent the message that the employee is valued. Why would anyone want to invest themselves into a job that won't look out for them in return?

[@The_Real_Frisbee]

@@zasterheffor You can have left-leaning ideals without being a leftist. Hell, recent studies have shown that previous leftists have gone further left in their ideals while right leaning conservatives have gone more left. So saying "I'm not a leftist" while saying what he said isn't too far-fetched and doesn't make someone a leftist. Moderates do exist after all.

[@zasterheffor]

​@@The_Real_Frisbee 1. I think we're forgetting that the lack of political radicalization, or rather, the abundance of political ignorance is key to the functioning of American politics. Ask anyone basic questions related to politics, the economy, government, or the federal reserve. What defines economic "socialism," or the political economy of "communism," etc.? 1.2. It's entirely within the realm of possibility that K doesn't "disagree" with leftism, as he clearly doesn't, but is rather maintaining ambiguity to reach a greater audience. Some brains immediately shut down when they hear the term "leftism." It's also possible that K is socially conservative and disagrees with leftists on social issues related to abortion, gay marriage, etc., so your point is well taken - though leftism has always been about economic issues first, social issues second. 2. Polling and previous election results show that the lower/middle class constituency, cross spectrum, unanimously, nay, OVERWHELMINGLY agree on the same domestic economic policy: increasing the minimum wage, better working conditions, maternity leave, even free college and cheaper more affordable healthcare. In this respect, moderates (political reps in the senate and house) are actually extremists, and have veered furthest away from their constituents to service special interests.

[@Cthulhu4President]

People are tired of dealing with bosses who are mentally, emotionally and verbally abusive for pay that is nowhere near worth the work they have to do without even considering the BS they have to deal with on the side. Not exactly rocket science. Pay should start at $20/hr and scale based on how toxic your boss is, that's the only way to get companies to stop hiring them in the first place.

[@aegisreflector1239]

Agreed

[@mingesack5606]

@Virgil White If management can't retain staff, that's a big indicator

[@PassionPno]

Good luck with that. That's why manufacturing is moving to Asia. No one wants to buy expensive ass Western products.

[@mecanuktutorials6476]

@@mingesack5606 some people can’t quit regardless because of bills and fear that things could be worse. It has to be through anonymous reviews.

[@Purwapada]

and how the hell is that economically viable?

[@stephenmisener1659]

As others have said. We watched our parents, teachers, mentors, etc work their ass off and be miserable the entire time. Only to retire old and not have any money or anything to do. Wasting their entire life slaving for a company just to pay rent and eat food. That is no way to live. Any many are choosing to not stand for it. If things change they change. If not then they will figure it out. Newer generations are far more adaptable and want/need change more frequently than older generations. Like it or not this will change things for the better. But it wont happen overnight

[@rslambert1]

If you where in fact able to watch them work, without working yourself, then they did their job. You should be thankful and not disrespectful. Saying they waisted their time. Who are you to decide what is a waist of time, and what isn’t? My bet is a brainwashed kid, thinking everyone lives like the shows on Disney.

[@osiris8933]

@@rslambert1 you became sour.

[@agstinacueva1673]

@@rslambert1 they technically wasted their time investing it in us. No one says it is futile. But they slaved away for others, and that is no way to live for them or us. Giving up your own life for someone else's because the economy is meritocratic and shitty should not be normalized.

[@totonow6955]

@@rslambert1 not what the person was saying.

[@glowerworm]

@@rslambert1 personally I'd like to live in a society where you can work an 8-5 every day for 40 years and pay for not only your children's upbringing, but also your own retirement. America is not that society and is only straying further from that standard over time. Meanwhile there are a number of countries which still provide that.

[@BleedingGrafitti]

60 years ago a person could leave their home/parents by age 18, find a temporary job that paid enough to live, and easily work their way up (and get into school). Today that's almost impossible. And millennials are criticized despite working just as hard (if not harder) yet they get absolutely no-where in their life. And what's sad is that the older millennials that are reaching middle-aged are just now realizing this...

[@JWSoul]

Yep because EVRYTHING is Gatekept by Degrees. Jobs that never required Degrees now require them for no good reason it is insulting. Wanna be a Nurse Degree wanna be a Police Officer in the UK Degree these jobs are largely Vocational particularly the Police. It's awful!

[@polarisrcer]

It has to do with purchasing power and debt

[@luketfer]

@@JWSoul To be fair if you're on Universal Credit you actually CAN get those degrees paid for you by the government. Before COVID I was on track to get my Forklift liscense and start a Plumbing degree, kind of fell through because of...obvious reasons. I went back to work for a brief period, hated the job, suffered several unexpected injuries which put me out of work and now I've been let go again because I was 'off sick too much in my probation'.

[@sirinstinct4326]

@@luketfer that's just fucked up man, I have been let go in the past a week at a job where only been at for 3 shifts and without warning bc I miss-understood the timing of my next shift

[@frankvonfrauner]

The millennials that got nowhere only have themselves to blame. I know more than a few 40 year olds that have sacrificed wealth and financial stability to have a $90,000 truck and bunch of other motorized toys. The difference between now and 60 years ago is that 60 years ago people didn't have unlimited access to high interest credit. It's a lot easier to build wealth when you're not spending into your overdraft and buying everything you want at interest because you NEED IT NOW!

[@SimGunther]

I'd rather see unfulfilling jobs (especially 80-100 hr/week corpo jobs w/o overtime) go to robots while humans find meaningful jobs in small businesses

[@voidinheritant]

we would have to end capitalism for that to be possible. too many people rely on boring 9-5s they hate for money, which is why capitalism is garbage. we are forced to do things we don’t enjoy. the lead cause of mental illness in this world.

[@bolenarrow9286]

The ability to find meaning in your work lies within the individual... some people can't even find meaning in raising their own kids much less a job. The greater issue here is the expectations you can acquire for yourself when spending all your time on the internet... put the phone down and engage in the substance of existence instead may just be the real answer.

[@oscarwong4201]

Nah man, it would never happen. instead of getting many meaningful jobs, they would just lose their jobs amd money instead

[@DeusExNihilo]

@@bolenarrow9286 Exactly. We're all Sisyphus

[@LuxiBelle]

The problem is trying to get a small business off the ground.

[@Rachopin77]

I quit a shitty job during the pandemic and it was honestly one of the best decisions I've made.

[@afghandiamond1225]

Good for you, don't let these shity jobs keep using you.

[@Rachopin77]

@@afghandiamond1225 thanks, friend!

[@afghandiamond1225]

@@Rachopin77 your welcome ☺

[@cranberryeater7459]

Excellent choice; now corporations are trying to find creative ways to automate processes due to labor shortages.

[@VH-ew7oq]

I assume you got another job? A better one?

[@KiraAfter_Dark]

There isn't a labor shortage, there's a wage shortage. People want to work, they just want to be compensated. This is mostly an American (and Canadian) thing right now I believe, but it's quickly spreading across the globe. No matter what you do, your labor is valuable. Make them pay for it.

[@uk9383]

In the fifties a regular worker could support his wife and 5 children on 1 wage. today a man and a woman have to work to support 1 or 2 children

[@XBLHAX]

Its not all about the money. I recently quit my job because of toxic leadership. They would tell us " you are VERY well paid for what you do. And you get to do it from home." To invalidate our concerns about our duties and how our customers were being treated. So it's not all about wage. We cared more about the customers and the company integrity than the leadership ever did.

[@xxswissguyxx6915]

Lmao nah we‘re chilling here in Europe because our politics haven‘t been stuck for 50+ years

[@thenineironman1260]

You could certainly make this argument for larger businesses like Amazon, Apple, etc., with some degree of success. However, small businesses that lost the vast majority, if not all, of their business during the pandemic cannot hope to do what you're asking. Businesses that had little to no revenue coming in during 2020 are now expected to keep up with a government that's paying people far above what they can afford simply for being unemployed. There is indeed a labor shortage in the United States, but it is not a question of viable workers, it's a question of people's willingness to work at the cost of better rewards for not doing so. However, to your point, there is also a wage shortage caused by a pandemic that shut many businesses down for a time and halted their income (to the point of completely closing down, for some). Furthermore, in the context of bigger businesses like the aforementioned Amazon and Apple: your labor is indeed valuable, and while you do have the right to negotiate a higher wage for any given job, you must also remember that there are probably hundreds of people working your exact same job across hundreds of locations. Raising pay by so much as $5 an hour can result in a shift of millions of dollars. According to NBC, Amazon employs nearly 1 million people in the United States. Time for some rough estimates. First, let's call it an even million workers for ease. Let's also assume that what NBC says (as of July 2021) regarding their wages is true: $15 an hour. Lastly, let's say that roughly 70% of all workers at Amazon, 700,000 workers to be precise, are being paid this wage and working a 40-hour week. That's 28 million hours of work being done across 700,000 workers in one week. Now let's plug in their wages: $15 an hour by 28 million hours: $420 million in total are being paid to the lowest-level workers. Now, let's see how much of that number just one of these employees is grossing each year. There are roughly 52 weeks in a year. 40 hours by 52 weeks gives us 2080 hours per year. 2080 hours by $15 an hour gives us a gross income of $31,200 per year, which seems like a fair number to come to considering how little that is on an individual worker's yearly basis and how often complaints are made about Amazon's low pay. Finally, let's add my hypothetical $5 raise and see what we get. This time, however, we'll start with the individual worker and then expand to the bigger picture. 2080 hours per year by $20 an hour gives us $41,600 individually. Now, 28 million hours per year by $20 gives us $560 million. Compare that to the earlier estimate of $420 million each year for the total lowest-earning workers. That's an increase of $140 million, or a 33.3% increase in total pay for the workers and spending for the company. Again, these totals are based on estimates and can probably be refuted with relative ease. However, my final point is this: we cannot go around talking so lightly about raising pay by even a small amount, like $5 an hour, when the consequences of that raise are much, much bigger than we think. Could it be done? Yes. Does the value of the job translate to that amount of money? I reiterate my initial statement: the argument could very well be made with some degree of success. However what about all the other workers and expenses we're not thinking of? What about Insurance plans for all those workers? infrastructure costs? The list goes on. This is a much, much more complicated problem than people are giving it credit for. Businesses as big as Amazon are extremely intricate entities with many moving parts that all need to be tended to, and I only talked about one of those moving parts here. The most important one? Probably, yes. The only one? Definitely not.

[@EpicTacoSenpai]

@@XBLHAX but you gona see me more people leaving bewcause they arent getting paid well than people thinking they screwing over customers and clients

[@zoex7993]

“The exploitation is just not worth it for me anymore.” I FEEL THIS!!

[@nekokna]

yeah i would rather die peacefully on my own terms

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

I actually worked as freelance, novelist and translator, almost as soon as I completed college. All my attempts at working as employee led to exploitation. I gave up on job hunting when I was almost tricked into joining an MLM. That is when I realized the problem is not me, but the job market.

[@mingji753]

Wha is MLM?

[@Freyasmite]

@@mingji753 multi level marketing ("pyramid scheme")

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

@@Freyasmite not just pyramid scheme. Pyramid scheme with extra steps. Literally trucking you into selling an often worthless product to an unsuspecting customer to recover your loss, or worse.

[@youreprettygood2603]

My boss fired me at the beginning of the pandemic and so I had to find other means to make a living. I started to teach my mother tongue online, I make 6 times more money now working about the same number of hours I did before. My now former boss had the nerves to call me back two months ago (after a year and half 'break' lol) and to call me names and lazy entitled millennial when I told him that I wasn't coming back. This is the world we live in, you can be discarded at a whim and employers still expect you to have loyalty, fuck this world and I'm making my own world now.

[@Jack1994hoo]

can i go with you? I will bring the cookies

[@ThePlatineist]

I hope you cussed him right back out and called him out for the shitty human being he is, let alone the shitty boss that he is. Damned slaver.

[@dabbbles]

GOOD FOR YOU!! It's a message our Evolutionary experience screams at us, but unfortunately indoctrinated-in (so-called) values carries deafness as a side-effect. Have a GREAT life!

[@billybbob18]

This sounds like the beginning of Atlas Shrugged... In which case, I'M IN.

[@veedem2506]

And a glorious world it is. I'm proud of you stranger.

[@Sirfatandblack]

Jobs: "If you don't like it here, leave" Employees: *Leaves* Jobs: "Wait that's illegal"

[@redheadsilver8041]

Wait until a modern day "Diocletian" passes a law stating exactly that.

[@dabbbles]

​@@redheadsilver8041 Be prepared! NEVER give anyone your REAL personal details (name/address/etc.), including the taxman. These digital days make it easy to have a different ID every day AND for every different application! :) The only catch is your letterbox gets cluttered-up with mail for non-existent people gleaned from the Big-Brother internet. I'm still getting mail for the 'tenant' who 'died' here three years ago! (Including the gas/electricity bill, which of course I dutifully send back unpaid each month!)

[@boggeshzahim3713]

I'm proud of people for getting better jobs, it's very satisfying seeing these industries which undervalue their staff suffering

[@maxinvasionleet]

Yea im sure you enjoy paying 20% more for groceries mhm

[@AT-fz2tv]

I guess you have to ask yourself what’s more important. Treating employees like disposable objects or paying extra for your groceries. I personally do not support businesses that treat their employees like crap. But that’s my choice, you have yours.

[@daniels4474]

@@maxinvasionleet prices don’t need to go up 20%. Its more like 5%.

[@nersharific813]

@@maxinvasionleet Grocery prices have been rising, along with the prices of virtually everything else for decades whilst wages have remained largely stagnant when accounting for inflation. Companies will raise prices if it will not effect the amount of product they sell. Here’s a hypothetical. Two companies are competing in the same industry. Company A due to public pressure raises their minimum wage to $15 an hour. Not wanting to make less profits, Company A raises their prices to compensate, passing the costs onto their consumer. Company B also has $15 an hour wages. They also raised their prices for similar reasons. However, keep in mind Company B is still in competition with Company A. In an effort to draw in Company A customers, they lower their prices to what they were before the wage increase, perhaps even lower. All of the sudden, Company A feels the pinch and drops their prices to similar levels of Company B to better compete with them. The workers and consumers win. The company’s will continue to do just fine, their executives just might not be able to buy their fifth yacht (Oh the HORROR!) Edit: And in the event Company B doesn’t lower their prices, a Company C within time will emerge to fill the void that consumers want. That’s the great thing about the free market. It’s why the anti-trust laws exist (So long as they’re enforced). To maintain the free market!

[@Pimp-Master]

@@nersharific813 The top CEOs can earn $200 million a year; I’m not socialist, but this is not wise.

[@taestott]

I'm 24. Quit my job a couple months ago because I got strep and my boss berated me for being sick and not coming in for 4 days. Something I've noticed is older generations are willing to take crap from their employers due to it being their livelihoods, when in reality we can just get another job somewhere else. That same boss regularly screams at the other employees, and they all stay there even after years.

[@action1679]

What do you do now?

[@thattannerguy856]

Dude, props. I've learned that employers will let you go in a heart beat if needed, so why are we so committed to our jobs? Highly unfair. There's no security in jobs these days so don't ever feel obligated to an employer

[@michaelwillette5837]

Interesting. I also left my job because the big manager yelled at all of us, including shift managers. They were all ok with it. I never understood why.

[@taestott]

@@action1679 Been studying Android development to further my career. Coasting on savings until then

[@MetalFan10101]

@@taestott To further your career? You dont have a career if you are living on savings. "We can just get a job somewhere else" says the thousands of other people competing for the same jobs as you.

[@cryptoinside8814]

Is that why Amazon kept on advertising "$15 minimum wage" commercials rather than fixing the terrible working conditions 😂

[@richardblack3385]

Trick with amazon is get into a sorting center. Been doing it a few months now with a 3k sign on bonus. Best job I ever had

[@benkissinger6973]

@@richardblack3385 Silence, brand

[@derekclawson5707]

Fuck Amazon

[@VH-ew7oq]

They did fix the terrible working conditions, THEY GAVE EVERYONE A FUCKING BOX TO STAND IN TO CALM DOWN!

[@boogus1670]

@@richardblack3385 honestly this might be useful

[@donniedarko2815]

“Work hard and set goals” my dad worked hard his whole life and all they did was give him more work and he has nothing to show for it. I’ve slowly been moving into and transitioning to my grandfathers cabin over the past year, only occasionally going into into town for supplies. It isn’t easy but it’s a hell of a lot better than what my life used to be.

[@skip3651]

Happy you choose peace and happiness then money and bitterness happy for u🙏

[@aegisreflector1239]

You are lucky to have a cabin, most people dont have anything like that. I would do the same, im so burned out of working all these stressful crap jobs with psycho narc coworkers and supervisors

[@HomelessOnline]

I think "set goals" means to set goals for yourself outside of work. (See Dave Ramsey or Jordan Peterson.)

[@MoMo-te5ez]

@@aegisreflector1239 i feel u 100%

[@grassgeese3916]

okay don't listen to Jordan Peterson that guy's only goal is to get hospitalized for malnutrition LOL what a meathead

[@mitthrawnuruodo1730]

I worked the typical 9-5 restaurant job and this year has been the worst. 40hr a week of rushes, rude customers, getting slammed, stress etc,. All for a minimum wage paycheck that barely pays the bills. I myself have a higher tolerance than most but I’ve seen a fair share of mental breaks and fatigue but not enough people apply and the ones that are here are tired. And that’s it. Tired.

[@deadinside8781]

@@joeyondakeys Even if they did, they would come up with some Bs for someone to not have what they need at the end of the month. I'm not arguing with what you said, just adding onto it. At my store, you're not allowed to work more than 40hours, and you're a part timer on paper. After covid they took away the 401k somehow, started a sweepstakes for people to walk away with 1,000 that employees aren't allowed to enter, and recently increased the hours we're open but not the payroll to have people for those hours. I'd have nothing to complain about if they didn't suck us dry and the customers didn't abuse us for having to abide by the same policies as them. I'm not in minimum wage work by choice, I can't afford college or to finish, I can't save enough after rent and things. Also,they need to wear their masks, a minimum wage worker's life isn't expendable. I wish your job didn't dictate how worthy you are. Don't "at" me so I can delete. The internet can be cruel.

[@bobobsen]

@@joeyondakeys job shortage?? Where I live we have the lowest unemployement rates ever. Companies are finally realizing they need to offer something good themselves.

[@dudos_vjlink]

Grand-Admiral Thrawn's story of becoming The Goat of Imperial fleet after leaving restaurant job... Is still better then new Star Wars trilogy

[@mitthrawnuruodo1730]

@@dudos_vjlink agreed. STILL pissed over how Star Wars was and still is treated. The Grand Admiral disapproves…

[@Puzzlesocks]

@@bobobsen Unemployment is low, true, the LFPR (labor force participation rate) is also low though. I'm currently not considered unemployed using the governments metric because I am not seeking work even though I am in my 30's. Some of this is covered by "most people are just switching jobs", but "most" is a tricky statistical word, and that "most" is sitting around 60% from my understanding. As Dr. K put it, this whole thing is tricky. The concept of laziness comes from older generations that didn't have the ability to work easier. I personally tend to agree with the older generation when I see cushy office workers complain about being over-worked because my own work experience has been primarily in skilled and unskilled manual labor. When it comes to restaurants, I'm pretty well convinced that the cooking industry is one you should get into because you enjoy the task and not only because you need a paycheck. You can only raise the prices on cooked food so much before you get into steep market competition, so the inherent design of the industry is to work within small margins. In the end, while I definitely don't agree with business owners exploiting their work force... an awful lot of people have never attempted to start their own business and don't understand business management at all. People get this idea that their boss is living the penthouse lifestyle when the vast majority of the time this isn't the case.

[@jeremyc4811]

The last two companies I've worked at have spent endless meetings whining about how all these talented junior workers are leaving after 3 or 4 years. I point out that these junior folks are getting 2% cost of living adjustments by staying, and getting 40% raises by leaving. I've spent years trying to convince managers to cancel six-figure contracts and to give raises to workers earning five-figures, and they never want to hear it. The corporate incentives are built for corporate feudalism, not a competitive labor market.

[@jeremyc4811]

@@Gnomezonbacon I'm not so convinced that's the way of things. Many of these corporations have built legal frameworks to protect themselves from insurgent competition. There's a lot of entrenched financial, legal, and political interests that prevent true competition in many industries.

[@recon441]

Corporate feudalism is both succinct and accurate 👍

[@k3rshner]

Corporate feudalism. I like it, perfect descriptor

[@matthewluna727]

You are good man for speaking your mind!!!

[@magneric]

@@jeremyc4811 there's also daddy government that will give a free pass to corporations "too big to fail" and will bend so many rules/waste millions in tax player's tithes to let them keep operating even though their bad decisions should have made them sink naturally to leave a spot open for a better replacement.

[@bobobsen]

I left my job after months of my boss refusing to listen to us and increasing our workload without increasing our pay. A colleague and friend left shortly after I did. The company is failing and they lost several experienced people that they'll have to replace and train. I doubt they're gonna last the year. He was only concerned with short term problems. No wonder he neglected the issues that gradually built up.

[@Eliqueme]

Good for you, Hope you're well mate 😁👍🏽

[@tendericed2749]

Its heartwarming to watch the overly greedy fall. They had it coming.

[@jinkledarber8058]

Capitalism nowadays = any business is allowed to succeed, as long as it's making profits, and at any cost/no regard to the environment

[@cyclesofstrength]

Sounds like my job. Also so much stuff is literally broken in our store, which is only 3 years old, so basically a brand new store, and we're owned by Amazon, yet a bunch of doors and sinks and scales are all broken and our cheap GM refuses to file a work order for any of it so we're all using broken equipment every day

[@bulldozer8950]

@@jinkledarber8058 ya the real problem is that we aren’t living in a capitalist society. Companies think they’re entitled to workers. They’re not. If they don’t pay enough then people might not want to work for them, and the solution is to pay them more or find some way to automate that job away. And that’s why planning long term should be more important. The government needs to back off and let companies fall. And maybe there was a valid argument in the middle of the COVID quarantine to give out stimulus stuff to companies to keep them afloat. But (and this is especially true for big companies) it feels like the government constantly bails them out. Where as normal people have to have, you know, savings, in case some surprise cost appears so it doesn’t fuck them. I think we need a lot of companies to die so we can get better companies. Because there isn’t much threat, especially for big companies, or actually failing.

[@trent797]

Businesses need to understand that it is really basic economics. You aren't entitled to workers. If you offer $9/hour for some junky job, don't be surprised when nobody takes it.

[@chrischickering1959]

Capitalists make bad businessmen because they don't prioritize the worker.

[@jamesallen74]

Business owners aren't entitled to their business succeeding. If your business model can't sustain paying workers a decent amount, and can't find customers willing to pay to sustain those wages, maybe your business model isn't meant to survive. Like he said, workers need to have SOME wins in their column (not 100% - I get it goes both ways). But for decades, corporate power/business owner class has taken up all the wins.

[@rachelleyeaman9783]

"You aren't entitled to workers." I feel like a lot of workers need to practice that line a lot. I hear a lot about what I'm not entitled to. We need to remind businesses what they're not entitled to.

[@stallon720]

@trent at the same time workers shouldnt be upset when a job offers $9 per hour, you arent entitled to more money, you get paid what an employer is willing to pay you or you dont work or get paid

[@stallon720]

@@rachelleyeaman9783 you are not entitled to anything either

[@BrianGivensYtube]

I love that - "kids are lazy! no one wants to work! There's a labor shortage!" Me: Sending in hundreds of fitting applications and getting ghosted on all of them

[@seanjohnkotris4981]

If your a millennial most employers won't trust you that generation kinda shot themselves in the foot on trust

[@queteimportaa.2535]

@@seanjohnkotris4981 dude wtf, your generation doesn't Define your work ethics. You as a professional individual dictate that. Minset like yours is whats making this movement flourish. Honestly wtf.

[@macdaddy32ify]

@@seanjohnkotris4981 Then employers are the reason there's a "labor shortage" and not ones putting out resumes

[@qwertyqwert2772]

Spot on

[@seanjohnkotris4981]

Lazy and entitled can you even keep your phone outta your face long enough to concentrate on your jobs 🤣 So many millennials came off cerb and we fired them useless generation with no skills hope they got a real reality check instead of a welfare check

[@zainfazal.3369]

The difference between my generation and my dad's generation is that when my dad worked his ass off, he at least had something to show for it. Why should I work my ass off for a job that pays no benefits, and doesn't even pay a liveable wage. and what do they want from me? The experience of a 60 year old, the energy of a 20 year old, the ambition of a 35 year old and while giving me the payscale of a 14 year old, and they wonder why so many millenials have no desire to go back to work, why should they? I know people who make more money living off government benefits then they would if they went back to work, How messed up is that?

[@bahtois4741]

Millennials don't want to go to work because they have been spoiled by government handouts. They rather smooch off their neighbour's WiFi, complain on the internet rather than work a job and save money!

[@i10-h2e]

Why should u eat if u cant afford food?maybe some1 will share with you.

[@bahtois4741]

@@i10-h2e inability to afford food is a ridiculous lie in western nation. You can live off $15 for the day easily for food

[@AnonymouStalkerCorp]

Bahtois $15 a day lmao. $450 on groceries in a month is lavish for the working poor. I can tell you’re probably an out of touch lib or a daddy’s money capitalist.

[@outerspaceisalie]

@@bahtois4741 what poor person can afford $15 a day? This comment is very ridiculous. You really think poor people can afford $15 a day? I'd be very interested to see exactly how you would budget for a $2300 a month paycheck (that's full time at $15 an hour). The first $1000 already goes to rent and $750 goes to taxes. Internet and cell phone also cost about $150. You noticing that your math makes no sense? Where is this $450 a month for groceries coming from? Oh man and god forbid they have kids. Health insurace also costs money. Gas too. Electricity. Auto insurance and registration. Non-grocery items like trash bags and shampoo. You are sort of embarrassing yourself with your poor math skills and out-of-touch patronizing. It makes you look like a cringey cliche.

[@lybfv63]

This is long overdue. I hope people can continue to stand their ground and that it creates change. I jumped through hoops for over 30 years and got nowhere. I lived in fear of losing the job that I hated so much that I thought of driving my car into a guardrail every day on the way to work. I showed up every day including holidays, I learned everything I could about my job, participated in extra training on my own time and sometimes my own dime, I did the work of 3 people, I trained the new employees and developed processes that saved these companies a ton of money and was never offered a real promotion. Why would they when I was selling myself so cheap? They would have had to hire 3 people to replace me. I felt grateful to have a job - rather than that they were damned lucky to have me. I accepted those annual 2% raises and even thanked them! I saw my manager drive in to work in his brand new truck hauling his brand new boat following one of the biggest lay offs our company had while I lived paycheck to paycheck. How is that not slavery? I'd rather live in a cardboard box than go through that again! I don't jump through hoops anymore. I love my job. My boss is awesome. I don't even want to retire! I love seeing people demanding more. That 40 plus hours of your time is 40 plus hours of your LIFE. It's time away from your home, your family and your adventures and you deserve to be treated like a human being - just as valuable as the management. If the CEO doesn't show up, are they even missed? If the janitor doesn't show up everybody notices! Work hard but work for someone who appreciates you. Don't be afraid to move on and demand an upgrade. I used to admire people who held a job for 30 years - not any more. New hires are starting at the same or more than the old timers. Employers created this desperation for good employees because they treated good employees like trash.

[@PBottomPoochies]

The internet DEFINITELY has allowed people to open their eyes. When the pandemic hit, I, as a legal secretary watched as my boss allowed ONLY THE BILLING ATTORNEYS to work from home for about a month while I observed so many other law firms (even large firms) allow their entire office to work from home. I’ve also been at my job nine years and have gotten a whopping $2k increase in all that time while my boss makes negative comments about profitability while at the same time deciding to go on a vacation every other month. It’s really become offensive to be taken advantage of while watching our cost of living skyrocket and NOT be appreciated for basically carrying the work load. Fucking appreciate your employees! It doesn’t have to be huge pay raises but even just a kind gesture- letting us leave early, buying us lunch, letting us work online once a week. This wouldn’t take much from my employer. Sigh. Gotta find something different.

[@joooja]

Need to move

[@kingkai18]

get out my friend

[@Tespri]

You're so wrong on so many level. First of all you're not thinking at all from his perspective. The fact that he complains low profitability refers that firm isn't doing great, while lot of vacation seems to implication that he is under lot of stress and has hard time managing it. How many people work in that company? Hundred? Thousand? Even small increase for everyone will actually pile up easily the cost in an year over millions. You should be angry to democrats instead for making policies that increased cost of living instead of complaining that your employer won't increase the pay when he is barely even hanging there in the first place. This is classical example of the common perception of The Dunning Kruger Effect. You think that something is not a big deal while you fail to understand the bigger picture due to your lack of expertise and experience.

[@CPSPD]

@@Tespri If the company isn’t doing well enough to pay its workers a living wage that keeps up with inflation then hey ho, the founder took a risk, right? Not every business can survive, not every risk is beneficial. Maybe he should pull himself up by his bootstraps. Maybe if he’s stressed he should adopt a sigma grindset and meditate for a bit, or clean his room :)

[@Tespri]

@@CPSPD And how much you expect your now unemployed workers to earn? I doubt they earn "living wage" as unemployed. Reminder... These weren't failures of the company but failure of government policies that increased the inflation and ruined the whole economy.

[@mitthrawnuruodo1730]

Also a problem is when a corporation doubles down on what they do. They don’t listen to the actual problems and put out some bs “moving forward we will do better” when they barely do anything. And why would they? The people in charge are far removed from the problem and when they lose money they cut people.

[@paisleesheppard5629]

A manager once asked for my opinion on their new management plan. I asked him: would you like an answer in the spirit of your plan announcement, or do you want brutal honesty? He chose brutal honesty. I told him: ''It's a morale boosting smokescreen of platitudes. Made to keep people who have one foot out the door from leaving. You're dangling a carrot in front of us, but we aren't gullible. We see your glaring lack of soil or seed." And nothing changed during his time in the company. Miraculously, I still work there. The manager got laid off during his annual holiday. We now have someone who actually makes good on his promises as much as corporate lets him. 😅

[@greendude0420]

Yay +1 for society, -1 job for me for trying to standup to my managers

[@paulxD25863]

or they will say BS like "accept change" "winning mindset" dude the only one winning here is your greedy ass not us

[@nogerboher5266]

I'm surprised that doctor here doesn't realize the real issue here... It's not so much that ''Millennials'' are quitting their jobs ''all of a sudden,'' it's EVERYONE, not just ''Millennials,'' it's more of a ''the pandemic has made people, in general, realize how meaningless, pointless, unimportant, life/time wasting and unhealthy having a job is.'' That's the ''problem'' here. I say problem in quotes, because it's not really a problem, it's a good thing that is happening right now. The whole idea of wasting (yes, wasting) 8 to 10 (or more) hours a day on ''work'' just so you can live how you want, is ridiculous and immoral. People are finally realizing that they are FORCED TO WASTE 8 to 10 hours of their life, every single day, just so they can earn money, just so they CAN LIVE in a somewhat acceptable way. Also, no, it didn't ''used to be different'' because there was no internet, your job opportunities did not revolve around your geographical position and environment, my entire family and all the people living here, are the living proof of that. You waste time on sleep for 7 to 10 hours and then you waste time on work for another 8 to 10 hours, which leaves you with 4 to 8 hours of free time left, out of which 20 to 50 percent is spent on chores and things we have to to outside of just our ''job.'' That means that in a week, you have approximately ONLY 25-30 HOURS OF FREE TIME! Let that sink in! - And this is only in a perfect setting with a perfect job! Some people have kids, some have dogs, in short, some people have other things to do outside of their jobs, leaving them with even less free time than that! Now, let THAT sink in for a minute... So, it's not just ''milliennials that are suddenly quitting their jobs,'' it's EVERYONE that is finally waking up from this brainwashing system that is in place now... We really need a new world order and a new societal contribution system in place and we need it NOW! The very and sole reason I quit my job 7 years ago and started with selling used cars and used PC equipment is this exact reason here! It's free time! I AM NOT WASTING MY TIME AND LIFE ON WORK! ESPECIALLY NOT 8 GOD DAMN HOURS A DAY AND ESPECIALLY NOT FOR SOMEONE ELSES PROFIT! I now earn what is almost triple the average monthly pay in my country, by essentially doing nothing - by selling used cars and tech. This is the closest to freedom I have experienced being, in the entire 29 years of my life! I can go wherever I want whenever I want, I can do whatever I want whenever I want, I can go to sleep and wake up whenever I want to, I don't have any ridiculous, immoral or ridiculous rules or regulations I am forced to follow, I don't depend on anyone and don't have anyone ''above me'' that I am being indirectly forced to act submissive to so I can be myself and say whatever I want to whoever I want... So on and so forth, you get the point here! I AM FREE! Also, I will soon have 250,000 EUR in savings and plan on moving up to real estate flipping with my brother. I said FUCK YOU to this idiotic system and these corrupt socioeconomic and political constructs we have in place 7 years ago and that's when I experienced TRUE freedom for the first time in my life! FUCK JOBS aka. MODERN DAY SLAVERY and FUCK THIS SYSTEM!

[@corneal35]

-Staring hella hard at blizzard- Most of those corrupt assholes are still in charge and the entire HR/PR department is untrustworthy.

[@stevenmartin4889]

I’ll outline it for you, as someone who lived in poverty and still (technically) does. Wages have not kept up with the inflation of our economy. At all. As a result, everybody has seemed to have forgotten about the true idea behind minimum wage. So EVERYBODY who’s willing to work, will make a livable wage. Another reason, is that our previous generations before us were the ones to come up with the fucked up work ethic of literally handing your entire life over to your employer. Sometimes we can’t go to work, and we get punished for that by being fired. Some people don’t get paid leaves they need for childcare, maternity, medical emergency, family emergency, etc.. Nobody wants to work for shitty compensation, ZERO benefits, at the same time in a toxic ass working environment where companies expect you to work till you basically die.

[@bearkowlbama6352]

"So EVERYBODY who’s willing to work, will make a livable wage. " Minimum wage has never been a livable wage, and was never meant to be. You're simply making that up. Minimum wage jobs have always effectively been for teenagers/students, bored seniors, and retards. Able bodied folks that work minimum wage jobs have screwed up. A small % might be busting their ass at school or another job whilst they try to better themselves, but again I'd put the vast majority that fall into that category under teenager/student. And FYI, before the evil/incompetent pedocrats and rinos ruined the economy Trump had firing on all cylinders , lots of people from all stripes were feeling the positive effects. "Nobody wants to work for shitty compensation, ZERO benefits, at the same time in a toxic ass working environment where companies expect you to work till you basically die." Nobody wants to pay a great wage and benefits to inattentive, low/no-skilled snowflakes. Your antiquated idea of how and why businesses hire should lead you to asking your community college for a refund. You clearly operate on ignorant emotion and not sound logic.

[@alanna5609]

@@bearkowlbama6352 What is the point of your comment? You don't add a solution, you are just negative and disgusting inappropriate. Instead of picking apart someone's comment why not add a constructive solution to the problem.

[@adamdavis5015]

@@bearkowlbama6352 the stigma that minimum wage jobs are for teens/ students and "retards" is also completely made up lmfao.

[@kazer4040]

@@bearkowlbama6352 I understand what you are trying to say but I believe you need to re-watch the video. The point seemed to fly right over your head.

[@bearkowlbama6352]

@@adamdavis5015 Nope. It's not.

[@mileshamblen9982]

I think 40 hours a week is criminal; it takes away most of our life, full time should be 30 hours a week with no change in current pay.

[@onatkalkan4907]

During the industrial revolution it was around 60. Then workers LITERALLY fought for it, and now it’s 40. If we fight again, it can be 30. Especially since efficiency of workers has been multiplied by around a 1200 since then…

[@Nancy2420s]

​​​@@onatkalkan4907e need to do just that stand up and fight for our rights enough is enough we are not getting any where if we don't we will continue to suffer we must not let them get away with it anymore.

[@naefaren3515]

@@onatkalkan4907 We need to push for "You got your work for the day done? Nice, now go home." In a way where they're not throwing more work at you every day to get the most out of your ever single fiber of being.

[@dylansmith6078]

I disagree if you are doing a 9-5 monday-friday you lose 40% of your functional time to work but in reality is is a mere 28.3% of yourlife including sleeping hours. So taking away most of your life when it is no matter how you look at it being less than half is a big over statement. The only reason it seems cruel is how easily distracted and tired you are when you get home

[@mileshamblen9982]

@@dylansmith6078 You must be fun at parties, I bet you do statistical analysis before drinking alcohol too.

[@YungMoomin]

I love how we've known for literal decades (in the academic literature, much longer in folk knowledge) that happy employees do better work. Yet companies consistently do everything in their power to make workers miserable (not increasing wages in tandem with inflation, getting rid of pensions, longer work week, work outside the workplace, wage theft, etc.) and then when workers stop putting up with it they wonder why everyone is quitting. The worst part about it is that corporate doesn't need to spend any money on propaganda because they have hordes of people who will do it for them for free lmao EDIT: Prayer and meditation is fine but we also need to attack the source of the problem: corporations, shareholders, lobbyists, and CEOs. You can do both, and there are precedents.

[@elektrotehnik94]

It's called greed. It's a pattern/disease of out-of-control self-importance (ego) that people in power-granting places often contract. Can be cured with ego-dissipating practices like prayer or meditation, but that's something the World as a whole has largely stopped practising...

[@braxbro6674]

@@elektrotehnik94 Greed is a universal human constant. It's just that it's a lot easier to succumb to it when you have the power to crush others in your path whenever you feel like it.

[@YungMoomin]

@@elektrotehnik94 "can be cured with prayer and repentance" How much money does the Catholic Church have? How many billions do these Protestant mega-churches have? How much power do the Orthodox bishops have? I can go one with every denomination but clearly prayer is not the solution to greed.

[@YungMoomin]

@@braxbro6674 Co-operation is the universal human constant and the reason humans are successful, not greed. We evolved to be social herd animals and greed (putting oneself before others) is entirely detrimental to that. The problem is that the current systems in place reward the few people who are greedy by nature.

[@mek101whatif7]

@@elektrotehnik94 They stopped praticing it because it was worthless to solve their actual problemes and was mostly used to exercise power over the masses

[@DimaRakesah]

I am one of the "quitters" but I was quitting my 3rd job because I couldn't keep working myself to death. Watching people call workers "lazy" in this day and age is so infuriating. There is so little appreciation for how hard people work for so little compensation and people are just sick of being taken for granted. Another thing to keep in mind is that young people are facing the realization they will never get to retire or own a home. Why keep working yourself to death for a retirement or a house when it's increasingly out of reach for the average working class American?

[@wesley6442]

I saw what hard work got me at work many times, more responsibility and tasks.. same pay. Why would I work harder be viewed as a machine to churn out jobs and paid all the same? All the while I see the lazy workers, texting on their phones, coming in late, hiding places while on the job all while getting paid the same as me and the other hard workers. too old to deal with that nonsense anymore lol And yes with inflation and cost of living going up, you need more than one income to afford to have your own home. People tend to forget, you can get sick, life happens, you could be out of work because of emergencies etc how can anyone person survive on their own nowadays? our generation probably won't retire, but hey maybe they will create worker bots that will do everything for us haha!

[@sirinstinct4326]

It's same in Canada where I live, living wages are so bad that next year the government of Canada wants to increase the minimum wage to 15 bucks/hr when YA CANT LIVE ON THAT PAY ROLL especially since the rent here in Canada is high for just a one bedroom apartment

[@Silenced_by_nazi_youtube]

Sooooooooo How are you going to survive?

[@Rhaxma]

@@Silenced_by_nazi_youtube This type of question is so obtuse. When people complain about the experiences they had at work, there's always this common misconception that a person is complaining about the act of work, rather than THE PERSON or MANAGEMENT they worked for. "People quit managers, not jobs." I'm sure the person who made this comment is just fine after they find a workplace with accomodating management, rather than working for a thieving sociopath.

[@Chestyfriend]

This, productivity per employee has never been higher, while compensation compared to productivity has never been lower.

[@ca-ke9493]

Coming from a recent graduate, the turnover issue has permeated a lot of fields. Quite of lot of talented people get into top companies like Tesla which pay ridiculously well but have crappy work life balance, tough it out for two years, and then quit because having such a company on your resume means they can get a job anywhere else they actually like.

[@FirstLast-gk6lg]

100% same with places like Twitter or Facebook for software people, might be getting paid 400k/year right off the bat, but don't stick around for more than a couple years.

[@coolmn786]

Yep I did the same. Worked for a company for 2 years, they were shitty on what I want. But I stayed there so I can leverage to my next job. Now I’m extremely happy, hours are great

[@catburglar7116]

I worked a shitty job in quality control in a manufacturing environment just to get a couple years of "lab experience" on my resume after I got my chemistry degree. That job had terrible working conditions and management, I have some truly insane stories. One day during a heat wave we had to work for 12 hours on a 95° F production floor with practically no ventilation. Now I work at a semi conductor manufacturer in a fantastic environment. So many good jobs require 2-5 years of "experience" which is hard to get if you're not willing to take a shitty job for a few years.

[@TheFallenAngel13524]

@@catburglar7116 I feel you on that. I was doing metal forming. It’d be 95-100f outside and 130f standing in the coolest spot of the shop working 7 days a week 8-12hr days.

[@flowstateentertainment8395]

Lmao me. Check this out, I did a 4 month internship with them and just that carries so far. I get call back for interviews because they simply want to ask me questions about it.

[@John_II]

Well said. As a small business owner myself, I know that workers can (and should) demand better when it's reasonable. If I lose my employees because I cannot motivate, mentor or compensate them correctly, then my "karma" is turnover, bad reviews and quitting. I don't want my employees upset - I want them to be engaged and to do a good job.

[@Jennicorn]

I quit my shitty call center job because it made me totally miserable. Now I work from home, set my own hours and do what I really love. I make like 1/4 of the money, but it's worth it to not want to die when my alarm goes off.

[@Halcyon1997]

"worth it to not want to die when my alarm goes off" say no more. People seem to normalize wanting to do anything but wake up as depression but no dude, its the work and it's not normal. People in third world villages (where things are peaceful) wake up happier than pressured first world workers. People tend to think such people are miserable because they don't have luxuries but this just isn't true.

[@Sohelanthropus]

What exactly do you do nowM

[@Esa826]

You can be happy and live on small sum of money. One person dosen't need much for living.

[@VivekYadav-ds8oz]

@@Halcyon1997 Technically you can think of them as making 'x' amounts of less money than her consequently having less luxuries, yet they're more happier in that simpler lifestyle. I see a correlation.

[@arcguardian]

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[@zanard33]

I'd join these people quitting their jobs in the next two-three years, but not because I'm anti-work. My body can't handle the load and my psoriasis is getting worse. In the next years, I'm going to save as much as I can.

[@LiMaking]

That's what I did for the same reason. I could finally quit just a few months ago, and now I'm on my way studying to choose another path at 33. Took me 3 years, while also paying for my SO while he was studying. I believe you can do it!

[@junky2fk]

Your health concerns are as much part of the anti-work as any.

[@Juno_Uno]

Rooting for you! I used to do warehouse work and it definitely takes a toll on you. But if you get injured on the job it's sometimes hard to know what to do because you may lose your job depending on how long you have to take off work. Garbage all around.

[@Densoro]

I feel this. I started getting stress related seizures in high school, but 16 years later they’re an everyday occurrence. It sucks because I’m passionate about my work and I want to help people, but I don’t want to wake up on the floor again.

[@BennyGoId]

Invest some of your money. Into anything, really. It'll help during retirement.

[@AuXiiLia]

Left mine because one supervisor was useless and the other was extremely rude, and the management team weren't even there half the time and the boss didn't really pay attention to the place. Hey employers, respect is pretty important and will greatly benefit you in the long run!

[@esmee6308]

I have one supervisor that does nothing, no matter how busy and is also rude, on top of that she's the only one that has little to nothing to teach me. I freaking adore the job in every other way, if she'd just back off a little (as requested by the other supervisors since whenever she starts micro-managing me, it only slows down the flow) it'd be perfect. But alas. :'')

[@AdeptSnake]

As the saying goes, people don't leave jobs, they leave bosses.

[@TheWordPlay]

@@AdeptSnake for the longest time I didn't truly understand that phrase... until I experienced it recently. Respect goes a long way for one's well being

[@michellemoirai7274]

I want to hear more people talk about the "customer is always right" abusive attitude toward workers. Yes, when customers have a legitimate issue, they're right, and customer service should take care of them. What I'm talking about is the legion of customers out there working to abuse the system and terrorize workers. Bosses who throw their employees under the bus and don't back them up. Let's talk about getting paid next to nothing to work retail, food service, and hospitality jobs, long hours, sometimes second and third jobs to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table, only to have every last minute of those work hours being yelled at, harassed, and terrorized. Who wants to work in those conditions? I believe a lot of jobs are not going to fill their open positions until they start addressing these working conditions. I want to hear more people talk about changing this attitude of how they treat employees, and how management can back up their employees when this kind of craziness occurs.

[@kaeleklund6728]

"The customer is always right" means "market demand should decide what we produce". It's an almost universally misunderstood and misused saying like "blood is thicker than water". It doesn't mean Karen gets to order off-menu because she threatened a bad Yelp review.

[@rasmusAbricot]

@@kaeleklund6728 You can't really call it a misunderstood phrase just because you disagree with it. The customer is always right started in the early 1900s in London, as exactly that, a motto to tell customers that they would get good service, because they would be "right" no matter what, even when you know damn well, that what they are asking isn't going to satisfy them. If they say they want it, they want it. "Market demand should decide what we produce" is not what it meant, or means now. That's just you making something up.

[@dannygjk]

You misunderstand the "customer is always right" saying.

[@MLStein-tx5wd]

since you bring up working for next to nothing, i make pretty good money but, thanks to "the affordable care act", i haven't been able to afford healthcare since the "affordable care act" was implemented. was told lies like "keep your plan" "keep your doctor" "cut cost by $1400" all of which were lies! I lost my plan an doctor and cost about 3 times more than the plan i had...health insurance cost went from about $350 to about $900 and was more expensive for the items in the plan. THANK YOU OBAMA!!!!. Now with Biden in for just about 1 year, the country has really taken a turn for the worst, thanks you Biden and the socialist democrats!!

[@AMindInOverdrive]

Yes I totally agree. If ever you've had a boss who ejected a rude customer for mistreating staff, you will love working there, and the other 'nice' customers will all agree that it was justified. Problem customers can often cost you money rather than making any profit from them. they demand more time and attention that from staff and if they are regular customers they often want favours, discounts or more time than is profitable. Besides, there's the sheer bliss of seeing a jerk put in their place, that is worth more than money - These people need to learn that they can't treat others like that. I once worked nights in a 24hr gas station and the abuse that a couple of the regular taxi drivers would give me was just stupid. But management always took their side. Thing was, we were the only 24hr station in town and the taxi drivers would have to drive 20miles away for gas in the middle of the night if we banned them. Management were too stupid to see that THEY needed us more than we needed THEM. While I was working out my final two weeks notice I put those guys in their place LOL - I took no nonsense because I was leaving ANYWAY haha. E.g. Policy was the money for gas could not be short any more than 5cents because margins were so tight and also a few guys paid all in loose change which was a real nuisance, especially if there were guys in the queue waiting to be served - some did it just to be jerks and often dump the change and walk off laughing, but short change us 20c - 80c on a $20 gas fillup. Since money was involved, management agreed that a few of these guys neded to pay FIRST before filling up and told me i needed to count the change FIRST before allowing them to fill. So once guy tried to fill and I hadn't remotely unlocked the pump; I told him he shortchanged us the previous night and I'm under orders to have him pay first in future. So he dumped a pile of the smallest denoms of change he could filter out of his bag and I made him wait while I counted it to the last cent LOL Another guy got really angry that I would not unlock the pump and I gestured to him to come over to me (I was behind a locked window) - he protested a few times and while smiling I did the index finger wiggle to beckon him like he was a child. He stormed over to me and I informed him that he had short-changed us 2 nights ago and management said that HE needs to pay BEFORE filling up from now on. He swore at me and marched back to the pump and demanded I unlock it 'or else' - i beckoned him again LOL Stormed over to me again like a spoiled child and said he'd have my job if I didn't unlock the pump - again I said "Nope! - pay first' - He threw a bunch of change in the metal drawer and marched back to the pump gesturing for me to NOW unlock it - I slowly counted it while he threw a tantrum and came running back over to me; I told him I needed to count it FIRST since we can't trust him. HE almost exploded with anger and I just smiled and said "orders from management!' He threatened to get me fired - I knew he'd try and I checked the cameras the next night, and sure enough instead of going home to bed to get much needed sleep he came into the gas station and made a complaint - he must have felt pretty stupid when they told him I'm working my last 2 weeks notice anyway, and that Yes I WAS under orders to make him pay and count the money first LOL The other Taxi drivers were delighted I put him in his place because they hated him. I also found out later from my neighbour that he was just a jerk to everyone. He'd been kicked out of the army for laziness, his wife had left him, he was paying huge spouse support payments, and he owed thousands in gambling debts; He went around boasting how he was paying for his daughter to go to college - she hated him too and it was his way of trying to buy her love - wasn't working. And he was trying to make himself feel better by mistreating a low-paid gas station attendant who was struggling to get by (me, one of the lowest points in my life THB)

[@betabee1221]

The whole team player concept is a wonderful thing. The owner of a store chain in my area [approx. 30 or so stores] literally works in one of the stores like a normal employee. He talks to the workers, he visits other stores, he makes sure each store is comfortable and has everything they might need to serve a customer. Compare that to something like Walmart where nearly anyone above a standard store manager position hasnt worked in an actual store for years. Company CEOs and such need to start realizing their position isnt supposed to be comfy. You own a decent portion of a company, so either make the people who actually run it happy, or do the work yourself.

[@leastmachine8693]

Corporations: "Kids these days are so lazy, they just want their government handouts." Also corporations: "Oh no, this recession is so hard, please daddy government, I need more money so I don't go bankrupt."

[@chris135x]

Corporations were barely affected by the government's mandates. It was small and local businesses that were affected the most. Just saying that corporations knew they would be given government assistance.

[@casusbelli9225]

Exactly. If government didn't suck it up to corporations, they'd nationalize every single one of those failures before giving them A FUCKING TAXPAYER PENNY.

[@nee-grow]

@@chris135x That's only because the government is our corporations so of course they would ensure they wouldn't be affected. The whole idea is to bankrupt and scoop up the little guys.

[@chris135x]

@@nee-grow The government doesn't care about "scooping up" the small and local businesses. The corporations do that by buying the smaller competition. The government only wants to cause debt and bankruptcy.

[@tomorrowhowever7488]

@@chris135x The corporations ARE the government!

[@Wolfpack-zj2ys]

I just lost my job for missing "too much work" but I could care less because how much of a tole that place has taken on my mental and physical health. Working 7 days a week for 7+ weeks is inhumane. Give us time with our family's, time to breath and collect your thoughts. Stay true to yourselves, these businesses are just power hungry.

[@alexh6767]

Go for part time jobs

[@jacekwaasiewicz716]

i barely handle working 5 days a week wtf? 7 days a week for me would be suicide for sure

[@losfromla1480]

"I wouldn't say I _missed_ work Bob" -Peter Gibbons

[@Mrdinomist]

Wow US is fucked

[@Mrdinomist]

In Germany you have in most jobs at least Sunday free

[@rwe52496]

I quot my last job because of one reason: *My boss viewed his employees as a way to replace the work he needed to do, instead of viewing it as a collaboration that allowed his business to thrive*

[@jackreacher4297]

Employers often treat their workers like they are replaceable. People quitting shows that their job is replaceable.

[@UniqueBreakfastTaco]

This isn't having the effect they thought it would. The employers facing shortages are non essential businesses. I'm in oil and gas, and we're sitting through dozens of resumes a week for a few positions that opened through retirements. Everyone is replaceable. I'm even seeing hesitation at my workplace of hiring millennials and genz due to their entitlement and addiction to their phones.

[@infidelcastro6687]

youve got it backwards.

[@Chronorust]

@@UniqueBreakfastTaco ​ @Rhia It isn't their "entitlement and addiction to their phones", it's because the dynamics of how the world works now is much different. Things are faster, things cost more, and we're being asked to do more for less. "Entitlement and addiction to phones" is not a broad percentage of millennials. My 55 year old dad just LOOVES to scroll through Tiktok while driving, mind you.

[@UniqueBreakfastTaco]

@@Chronorust im an employer. yes, its your addiction to your phones.

[@UniqueBreakfastTaco]

@@Chronorust ever had to evaluate a resume? conduct an interview? sit down.

[@joer8854]

I've lived my life in a world where people have constantly been told why they should give their lives working to barely make enough money to live off of and have absolutely no job security. What the pandemic did was make people realize that it's stupid to put so much effort into working for someone else and get absolutely nowhere and know that your work doesn't have your back. People are realizing that it shouldn't be about you giving them a reason to hire you and it should be about what they can do for you and your family. Before my generation having a factory job meant security and middle income pay and that's with one working parent. Today two parents working factory jobs means poverty and constant job shifting.

[@johnmcginnis5201]

Nobody has your back but YOU. Don't expect and employer to, he is worried about his own back.

[@joer8854]

@@johnmcginnis5201 Workers should have each others back.

[@samusaran7317]

@@joer8854 Truth.

[@uk9383]

Thats exactly what im saying. In 1950s an average worker could sustain a family of 5. Today 2 parents barely support a family of 2

[@johnmcginnis5201]

@@joer8854 Yes they should. Many do, but not nearly enough.

[@hollowt3a199]

You don’t live to work. You work to live. This is a phrase my dad hammered into me and can explain a massive portion of why the Great Resignation is happening.

[@AndaraBledin]

It's interesting that you mention Costco. There's articles comparing Costco vs Sam's Club and how Costco has fewer employees but get more productivity out of them because they treat their workers better, consistently being rated as one of the better places to work that doesn't require specialized training/school.

[@mugen9499]

I quit my corporate job of 8 years. Wasting my energy and potential, being used by people above me just so they can move up the ladder. So much stress each day from behind a computer screen, my entire body was falling apart working for a job I thought I had to keep because of society and parent opinion.

[@nervusaccessorius]

I can so relate to that. I´m currently stuck in my job but at least it´s well paying. I feel like taken advantage, my health is suffering from stress. My husband works under the same conditions and is making up his mind in building a different career. He has figured out how to get away from the rat race. Meanwhile I´m the stabiliziding factor financially like-wise. I´am waiting for the day he will have a stable income. After that I will quit the show.

[@DoveDaniels]

fact...

[@fffrankthetankkk]

That is the real reason for all of this and until the job you left can't be filled, then they will appreciate your effort ..... A bad reputation is what is needed for the employer but it's hard to be given when the employee needs a reference for the next job

[@DoveDaniels]

@@fffrankthetankkk reference are overrated and not useful when you’re self employed after leaving the corporate job. I left to be self employed and now depending on my monthly dividends that paid me more than when I had a business or job. 🤷‍♀️. The goal has always been to be unemployable

[@dabbbles]

@@DoveDaniels Move to Ethiopia. Being unemployable is easy. and the living is cheap.

[@christibor8821]

Got fired because I wasn’t a “team player” meaning I refused to do the janitors job (on top of my own) after he quit. Exploitation is a business model

[@jukappa]

I’m a millennial and I was part of the great resignation. The main reason for me was because covid directly made me stuck inside interacting with nobody in person for so long. I wanted to mentally reset and really enjoy some legitimate time off for once in my adult life and get some travel in. Secondly, covid also made me realize that working from home was amazing. We proved for over a year that working from home was not a hindrance on productivity at all. However we still were expected to come back in full time once restrictions lightened up. With all that I decided to quit with no job lined up. I enjoyed about 4 months off of work, got to travel, and have been extremely picky with my next job. Finally have found a job that pays more and is 100% remote and will be starting at the beginning of 2022!

[@aaronbutler367]

Happy for you man :)

[@kanturo96]

This is exactly what, I am experiencing right now

[@jukappa]

@@aaronbutler367 thanks man appreciate it

[@elvismanuelgonzalezdavila8949]

I want to do the same as you but I'm afraid of not being able to find something remote if I quit :( can you recomend any websites you used to find jobs to work from home like what you did? I really want to improve my life.

[@jukappa]

@@elvismanuelgonzalezdavila8949 So I work in tech and I actually didn’t even job search at all. Recruiters have contacted me about jobs and regardless if I’m interested in that position or not I would tell them what I am looking for and they would contact me later whenever they thought something would fit. But if you want to be proactive. Indeed is definitely a good site for job searching.

[@light-chemistry]

I think a point that's also missed here is it's not just about the job/company and how they treat the workers. It's about the how to *economy* itself treats the workers. As kids, we watched our parents work themselves to the bone but they were able to get onto the housing ladder in their twenties, they could afford to get married and have kids. It felt like they were remunerated in a fair way. Millenials are getting worked to the bone by companies who suck everything out of us, but then when we get paid, landlords suck the money out of us there too. It really feels like a rigged system in that way.

[@rosieposie9564]

What ages are your parents? many boomers, definitely not most gen x and millennials could buy a home in their twenties. The system has not been right for decades now.

[@cowlevelcrypto2346]

Todays' employee's entering the workforce are more renters rather than American Dream home owners because they have been priced out of the market. This makes it a hell of a lot easier to pack up and move. Everything you have said here is spot on. Well done!

[@fmar.8311]

Additionally, they blame us for being lazy, but 30 years ago a household of 4 could easily be supported with one income. Now you need two incomes and no babies to be able to MAYBE afford a house. In my area the average cost of a house is over $1 million. How the fuck does a single income home afford anything near that?

[@aegisreflector1239]

@@fmar.8311 Exactly.

[@Chloe2000mm]

If they are in their twenties to early thirties, they could also still be living in their parent's house with no rent burden at all, which gives them even more freedom to quit.

[@andriod8014]

@@fmar.8311 it’s called population boom buddy. Less houses with more people = expensive houses. The reason why before they afforded a family by one income and were able to buy houses was because of empty houses. Tons of newly built, new neighborhoods, new towns. Now you won’t find it. But wait you can. Smaller towns. The towns where’s there less fun and “boring.” I have always said big cities are for people that like pleasure. A NYC suburb house cost 1 million dollars while that same SQ house cost ~200k in upstate towns/cities. You could easily buy one with $50k income. But hardly anyone knows this because, again, pleasure over caring.

[@SeaWitch99]

I left an awful admin job to work as a cashier and I'm really happy, could do with more hours but apart from that the quality of my coworkers is so much better and I actually feel like I'm working. I was constantly trying to find things to do in my other job, the pay and hours were terrible, I've never worked with so many people who have such a high opinion of themselves and such a disregard for others. I would be reluctant to work in a high pressure field or a high responsibility job, it was such a bad experience.

[@darkglass3011]

What's the admin job like? I was considering on getting one, but now I'm reconsidering. Care to share more?

[@soffox3489]

Literally same, going back to retail from a crappy admin job, my experience working in retail was a lot more fun and I made so many friends compared to the gossipy office role.

[@themagnus2919]

Retail is HELL.

[@starshade7826]

@@themagnus2919 Grass is greener...

[@gangatalishis]

It depends on the individual but I was in the exact same position and just had my last day on Friday. Not hating, some people excel on those, maybe I could but the perfect storm formed and I failed spectacularly. Time to experiment with other fields.

[@Dhorannis]

Also, one really important aspect is mental health awareness. Many people quit their job because it is too taxing on their mental health. Many companies are really toxic environments, especially if we look at large game or movie producers.

[@dankmemes8254]

Imagine being a woman working in blizzard/Activision

[@ehnanimoose2092]

yeah I'm sure thats a company problem not a pussified child mind problem.

[@BruceCarbonLakeriver]

@@dankmemes8254 owch .. yep that one is bad :S

[@mrs.quills7061]

@@ehnanimoose2092 yeah pretty sure taking care of your mental health makes you non of those things. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@ehnanimoose2092]

@@mrs.quills7061 TL DR; not anyone's fault but you and your momma's that you're too soft for reality. Mental health crisis used to mean something. Now it's just something every whiney child says when they're too lazy to work harder, or educate themselves. You don't take care of the actually mentally ill, you create and perpetuate mental illness with wokist locust Diversity Intersectionality Equity (DIE cult) ideology, preying on children in particular. Then you want money and resources and time for the mess you've created.....

[@thomaskeets3194]

I learned a lot from the comments! The difference of perspectives between generations is fascinating! Globally, we’re definitely in a shift.

[@Diomedes01]

As someone who works in tech, I can tell you that one of the big factors for workers quitting is that companies are being stubborn about employees continuing to work form home. The pandemic demonstrated that work from home is very viable for many. As a result, many workers are now opting to quit companies that are being more rigid about work from home policies and either taking time off or going to another company that offers more flex work. The company I work for has jumped on the work from home paradigm shift and we are snagging up lots of great talent from the dinosaur companies that still want people to come into an office.

[@petercselik5674]

Exactly the reason why I left my current company. Everything was fine and dandy we developed a really important project for the company and already had a lots of pressure on all the devs. Then one day they just felt its a good idea to make mandatory 60% office nofelx 9to5 again with aiming for 100% within a year. While the high management presented this as a great thing and the middle management started to police the office present more than taking care of the ACTUAL PROJECT WHICH MEANT THE MAIN THING THIS COMPANY DOES and failing could cause serious consequences. I think they keep loosing devs.

[@jiiku]

Honestly, I don't even look at jobs that don't have a wfh option anymore.

[@cameronbatt873]

WFH makes it so we only need 1 vehicle! So no extra car payment, insurance, gas, maintenance etc etc. If they tried sending us back to the office (which is over an hour away) it would literally make more financial sense for me to quit and get a job at the damn grocery store down the street

[@darthcuckold1486]

I work in tech too, during the beginning of Covid, I was working as an IT tech for a hospital. The moment we had to transition to WFH, absolute chaos erupted. I'd get bombarded with calls from our Doctors, these extremely smart people that are making so much more than me, can't follow written instructions to connect a laptop to a VPN, the older nurses and receptionists couldn't even connect to the WiFi but they all eventually got the hang of it and now they're all seeing that working from home is actually pretty easy and for the older workers, single parents and the handicapped/ill, this is the ideal way they can continue to work.

[@JonAvalon]

Ugh this, so much this! I lost my dream tech job due to the pandemic, the company had shut down where I was just enjoying WFH life. Then joined a company where most of its management was WFH aside from any of the onsite locations. I had to be at a covid infested building where no one got tested. Managed to stay a year at this place only because I needed it hold me over until I could find something else. They wouldn't let me WFH unless I was sick. So as I'm leaving the company they asked if I could extend another week, I asked if I could WFH and they were like nope "sorry we can't do that". I walk out giving them the finger.

[@delsings]

"There isn't a labor shortage, there's a wage shortage." SO true. Thank you for that.

[@ron88303]

Not if you have the right skills or choose the right profession. If you simply have a "job", then you're underachieving.

[@holdrofthemastrsword]

Not necessarily. Some people won’t work no matter what you pay depending on what the job is. My family owns a dairy processing plant, it’s not a sit at home on a computer type of job. We get a lot of hires that after a day or so say never mind due to just the nature of the work. So at some part it’s wages, at some point it is about work ethic too.

[@delsings]

It's unfortunate these replies. Very judgemental and rather bootstrappy boomer talk imo. It's easier to judge a person and dismiss them than to empathize with nuanced life situations, clearly. Maybe think a bit before projecting such rhetoric.

[@justinc411]

@@ron88303 Nope, sit down.

[@khalamete97]

​@@ron88303 What is the "right" profession? Someone has to work the "wrong" ones. Should they just go fuck themselves and not be able to support themselves or their families? We need secretary types, teachers, etc., but apparently they chose the wrong professions. Those darn underachievers.

[@nshappe]

It doesn't take much thought to see why people are quitting their jobs. My father made $100,000 a year through the 80's and 90's as a MECHANIC. That's the equivalent of $250,000 today. They were also PAID to learn a skill. We are tied of working our asses off never getting anywhere. We are tired of being treated like slaves and numbers. We are fed up with always being under threat of termination for wanting to have a life outside of work. Fed up with enough never being enough. Companies live or die by their employees and we aren't compensated fairly. If your company is making hundreds of millions in profits, why are we not getting a piece of the pie we worked so hard for?!

[@jacinthclifton636]

I've heard so many stories like these, keep sharing bro!

[@jacinthclifton636]

@Suicide Kyd I'd rather make 1$ an hour in 1913 (oh man, joke that points out our mentary system is a big part of the problem!)

[@MaestroJericho]

@rubetube92 that's wrong as shit and I know robotics guys who make 6 figs who say that's not gonna happen within the next few lifetimes.

[@jared_s2]

@rubetube92 robots require people to operate them and program them. they don't take jobs they create them while promoting safety and productivity.

[@nshappe]

@Suicide Kyd Entitled? I've worked in different industries all around the United States. I worked food and retail when I was a teenager making somewhere between $20k and $30k a year. Manufacturing in my early twenties making around $42k a year and construction in late twenties and early thirties making between $175-$200k a year. I think I know what I'm talking about because I've seen it. It's not entitled, it's being able to recognize when companies are abusing the people who make them their money. Believe what you want. I don't really care.

[@toot7642]

I've been working since I was 16, I'm now 32, it took this long to finally have a job that didn't feel like I was a number in a cog, and I'm a lucky one.. People not should not live their lives like this, the previous generation worked themselves into depression and some see it as a feat of strength, its really not, its Stockholm syndrome on a global scale and frankly its astounding that people attack millenials and gen z in such a way for not wanting to live terrible work lives like the generations before.

[@slicker1260]

care to share what career/job your working in now ?

[@Fleshcut]

I think it's extremely difficult to do anything for 8h a day unless it's your passion. So even when my job is well-paid, important to society and not ruined by asshole co-workers and bosses, I tend to not like it simply because I'm forced to sit there. Also, there have been slow workdays at my job where I literally sat around waiting for time to pass because I'd get a call from HR if I just left. I have no problem doing over-hours every now and then, if it's not a regular thing and if I can leave early on slow days. But just wasting my time makes me sad and angry.

[@vivvy_0]

it has been studied multiple times since years that the mind is only 4h a day able to work at it's best so no wonder

[@Kakachi07]

You get to sit? Most places sitting on the job is a work crime. Doesn't matter if you been standing or walking for 8 hours already. (Just poking at that, I find it incredibly stupid people aren't allowed to sit at all, especially in physically demanding jobs)

[@aegistattoo]

Boy I work with passion (astrology) in my dream job and still can't focus for more than 4, 5 hours per day. The rest of the time it's just surviving waiting for the 8 hours to complete

[@Kakachi07]

@@Anonymous-ld7je never implied they were easy, I’m talking about this stupid mentality that makes it so employers refuse to allow hard working employees to take a seat at work cause “it’s not professional” or “it’s being lazy.” I’m getting to a point in my life where standing for even 15 minutes makes make knees and ankles start aching. A my previous job I had shifts where I had to use a computer for about an hour and wasn’t allowed to sit while using it. It was on a pretty low table so I had to hunch over a bit. They use to let us use the PCs in the office and sit but upper management changed that cause it wasn’t professional and they wanted us out on the floor. I simply hate the notion that people aren’t allowed to sit on the job, like it’s a crime.

[@semikolondev]

Most people can't do 8 hours cause most people can't take care of their health/nutrition/working out/removing "toxic" people from their lives/Focusing too much on social media/not enough sleep etc.

[@josho9910]

Dude, I’ve tried several different “high paying” trades, instead I got Walmart wages, dead end positions, and 80 hour work weeks. I followed boomer advice and in this day and age it requires sacrificing everything.

[@xAxLxExCx]

Yep even trades suck now, they aren't increasing wages and are filled with immigrants who happily accept the low pay and shit work so the trades feel no need to improve. I tried to do HVAC not knowing a thing about it because a friend's wife was basically a secretary at a pretty new small HVAC company. I got "trained" for a week and then we got put on a government housing job that as gonna take a year and I was expected to just do stuff. There was only like 5 people total at this company and I ended up getting hurt cause one of the guys dropped a vent on my hands and fucked my nerves up. I still have half feeling on the left side of left hand and have nerve issues. They didn't even have a proper HVAC license yet and no workman's comp either. They had to find a place that would do without it or let make it right then. I ended up getting fired for being hurt for weeks and not being able to do physical work and I lost a key to the storage thing which is my fault, was in my pocket and just disappeared. Feel like they wanted me gone anyway. Moral of the story is everything sucks.

[@oldskooplaya]

Idk about you but I just got another job as a jman plumber and I'm making more now then my last company. All the plumbing companies have raised wages Atleast here. Also only work 40 hour weeks so idk what u talking about. 🤷🏿‍♀️ And I make damn good money. You're probably just shitty workers

[@jasonmajere2165]

Funny thing is I guess Walmart takes care of is truckers and your home most nights.

[@EnergizingBane]

oldskooplaya probably shouldn’t make assumptions like that with no information.

[@junky2fk]

Without Unions, trade jobs are gonna get exploited into shreds. It is exactly what happened to trucking jobs as well as lots of contractor jobs. To bring back the integrity and financial strength of trade jobs, you need to have Unions that protect your income and barter for your hours. Without it, you’re doomed to min wage and 80 hour work weeks. Might as well call it slavery.

[@Gio-ym4uj]

The pandemic helped me leave a terrible accounting job to work as an interpreter. I'm MUCH happier now, so much so that I decided to switch from majoring in accounting to majoring in international relations, which I love.

[@EtamirTheDemiDeer]

Damn that’s cool. What languages do you interpret?

[@cymonescurio]

I’m majoring in accounting but I think I may stop at associates level and work in gov. This major is mind-numbing and I have no desire to work in public. Congrats on your happiness!

[@Gio-ym4uj]

@@EtamirTheDemiDeer english to portuguese and vice versa. Currently learning French.

[@VivekYadav-ds8oz]

@@EtamirTheDemiDeer Java or C# I guess. They're pretty popular interpreted languages.

[@brujomenor]

@@cymonescurio I worked in public for 6 months, failed 2 cpa exam parts and experienced probably the lowest point in my life because of all of it. Do not recommend to anyone 😬

[@MechMK1]

Reminds me of a friend of mine, who worked for a company, who shall remain unnamed. He does a very similar job to everyone else in our friend group, but it turns out he earned a cool 30% less than everyone else. So he asked his boss for a raise. Instead of a raise, he was offered "more challenging work" so he can "really prove himself". He then went looking for another company. During the exit interview, he clearly stated that they're paying WAY below what is normal for that kind of work, upon which his (former) boss explained to him that his generation is too entitled and greedy.

[@youtubename7819]

I’m sick of these old heads telling us they’d be happy to work for our salary…ignoring that they don’t have student loans and already own a home and have money in retirement and don’t have to pay rent!

[@DeaconPain]

Sounds like he worked where I currently work

[@ckfodel]

Spot on assessment of the situation, imo. This shift has benefitted my life immensely. I was miserable working office hours, but after 2020 I had reflected and with priorities in line, I wrote to my employer requesting full time remote work. I previously had been denied for years, but I was sure to point out my true value, what I do for them, and honestly questioned why we couldn't work out a solution to benefit us both. Remote work granted. Ask and you shall receive. I encourage those suffering at work to muster the courage to put what you want in writing and see what happens. Be willing to find better work, but imo it is worth finding out before leaving. Believe in yourself, you can do it!!!

[@Mark-zg4ky]

Thanks for sharing!

[@americanoligarchy8825]

Lol I think you just got lucky with a semi intelligent company. I'll bet 99% of people who attempt the same will be shown the door. Stop making other people money. Stop being a wage slave. Do your own thing.

[@haywoodjablome7822]

'i got lucky with my boss having a brain, just have courage!' For real? fkn lol

[@GawainSSB]

@@americanoligarchy8825 Not every human is fit to make their own money. Our society doesn't even allow for it. There will always be winners and losers, its as simple as that.

[@galaxys6071]

@@GawainSSB but... this faux exodus is due to a new worldwide launch of ai and robots doing all work

[@SharkMochi]

I left my job yesterday from a year of unfair treatment and abuse. I’m scared, it feels like the end of the world, but I’m so relieved to finally take care of myself and my health.

[@liminalspace1382]

The key words are: “…. Take care of myself and my health.”. Good job and good luck!

[@mrbuster3106]

Stay strong and don't do nothing stupid if you know what I mean. Quitting abusive job is the worst, because they make you feel like shit all the while and on top of that you feel like shit for not being able to do such a shitty job already. But this is all mind games. Do not let that manipulation and falsely instilled sense of low esteem destroy you. Rest for a month tops (trust me, I rested longer and got myself into a long slump after) and start seeking new job with more humane working conditions. Check sites that offer employee (especially former ones) reviews of workplace atmosphere. They'll obviously be negative (cause if job is great why would you quit it), but they will give you rather good insight of what that negative is and is it acceptable to you (low wage, mobbing, no growth opportunities, no remote work option etc).

[@meowwchi]

I'm thinking of quiting my job too and super scared about it.. But the 6 day work weeks, no overtime, no benefits, and the occasional sexual harassment is getting to me real quick lmaooo

[@user-ln2bl2pe4s]

I think that one of the things that the internet has made us aware of is the level of disparity between those who have power and those who don't, people in power are playing a completely different game than the rest of us and the worst thing about it is that they use us as a pawns and useful idiots without thinking a second about how much misery and lives will it take to achieve their goals in their disgusting monopoly game.

[@ninjacats1647]

"people in power are playing a completely different game than the rest of us and the worst thing about it is that they use us as a pawns" Exactly this: Nancy Pelosi recently said the quiet part loud when she defended insider trading by Congress members by defending it as "the free market". The democrat party has strayed millions of miles from the party of Roosevelt.

[@rolettuce9654]

@@ninjacats1647 What we need now is a Teddy Roosevelt / William Bryan Jennings type figure. Bust up the big corporations, encourage worker productivity, and just generally work to improve society. The funny thing is that the only reason the country got Teddy is because the robber barons tried to get rid of him by making him VP. Glad that backfired!

[@arcguardian]

@@rolettuce9654 what we need is consistency in holding everyone accountable to the same rules. Congress insider trading, while the working class isn't allowed to is amazing. We also need to stop electing the same ppl who are running this shit show. I got the same ppl who voted for Biden bitching about how bad the economy is. The worst thing about being stupid, is not knowing you're stupid. Ppl don't learn, they've been conditioned to rely on the gov to do the thinking for them.

[@rolettuce9654]

@@arcguardian Agreed, 100%

[@vivvy_0]

@@arcguardian maybe also not only having a two party system. it's just pulling rope game, gets you nowhere

[@TheRenegadeStarr]

At one of my jobs I literally wait on millionaires but can barely pay my rent. Over the last 2 years the fire under my ass to stop working for big companies/greedy employers has grown immensely. I’m motivated to be my own boss. I don’t see myself workin at a traditional job much longer hopefully. I encourage more ppl to stop being miserable at work.

[@Nicole_whatsgood]

A lot of jobs for young people are low pay, low/no benefits, and your bosses treat you like shit. What’s the point of working 50+ hellish hours a week just to barely survive?

[@frozenfury0]

I also find in infuriating that time with the company overrides performance. That people with a couple years in the company get away with having a constant negative attitude, no desire to improve or learn, and overall are a burden to everyone yet they make double or triple what you do just because the company doesn't have the guts to give them a pay cut or reprimand them.

[@definitelynotnick2454]

People acting like this is new.

[@rogue-ish5713]

@@definitelynotnick2454 BEcause the youth never listens to the grown folks until it slaps them in the face, they adapt then they try to warn people who are coming up next, only to be ignored by their youth, who think you don't know SHIT. I personally want capitalism to actually pay people to participate in the system. 1000 people cannot float a system meant for 360 million.

[@Knightlight1]

Life is cringe, Shouldn't have to be almost dead to start living life gg

[@Alexander_Grant]

@@rogue-ish5713 What? According to the grown folks the youth are lazy and don't want to work. Why is there a stereotype that millennials are lazy?

[@chrisclarkx]

COVID reignited people’s sense of potential in themselves and now we’re seeing the results. Realized potential is one hell of a drug.

[@Archflip]

Ironically, we call the repressed state of being a "state of resignation".

[@RC-wz9vw]

They’re realizing their potential and deciding they completely do not need to work at all? Because that’s what that subreddit is mostly about.

[@phillipjiang1593]

@@RC-wz9vw if they can sustain their lifestyle without work, I don't really see the problem.

[@RC-wz9vw]

@@phillipjiang1593 you don't see any problem at all with millions of people doing nothing at all to contribute to society but want all the benefits of said society? Maybe there can be a place where all these people go to and we can see in a controlled setting how this pans out..

[@joelopez7459]

@@RC-wz9vw maybe they set up a commune?

[@ultimatesin3544]

You're missing a big part of this - the people who run these companies and many from mid- level to upper-management are totally incompetent. Company work used to involve a form of apprenticeship where you'd learn from your seniors, but many companies no longer hire on merit and one place they stick the incompetents is management (because those with a skill go into production - engineering, designing, etc.) Look at the CEOs of many tech companies right now where none of them actually built the company or even any company - that is just a microcosm of what you see on the inside. You will never reach your full potential in a position where you constantly know better than your superiors, many of whom run their companies into the ground because all they care about is the paycheck and even that is virtually guaranteed to them regardless of outcome.. this is a natural evolution of life becoming too easy and unchallenging, too much money at the top, etc.. nobody has drive to manifest their dreams anymore (even those with the means to) which is really sad..

[@cedrove7513]

Like Elon Musk. He's just the figure head. Little man isn't even making any of the impressive tech. It's his workers. He's the ideas guy, and his ideas often are shit. Like the Hyperloop is awful.

[@jonbob732]

@@cedrove7513 this goes even further. Elon Musk has the respect of a lot of people for his business success. People are willing to trust and put up with him because of his cult of personality. The average manager doesn't have that. There is zero reason to listen to the average manager. They are unskilled, unsuccessful, and incompetent.

[@lyricalpro69]

Coming from over 20 years in Retail, THIS is the most comprehensive explanation I've ever heard. Thank You!

[@tos100returns]

True. The Meritocracy is a LIE. It's all about who you know and who you blo. I was told that in the early 80s, and it's still true today.

[@Ramen10420]

I work as an auto tech, and I honestly sometimes make less per hour than minimum wage due to the way the system pays. I sometimes am at the shop for over 10 hours and get paid for less than 5 hours because it's a slow day and I have no backlog. The only reason I stay is because of the fact that I only talk to management if I screw up (hardly if ever), and I only talk to customers maybe twice a month. It's nice feeling like I make a difference by diagnosing and making a repair. It's also nice, because my dealership sends me to school like 5 times a year, and it's sort of like a paid vacation because I actually like learning new things. It can be exhausting and the return on investment may seem like it's not there, but I stick with it because of the autonomy of having my own area and tools (also I worked over 10 years in customer service and can say I prefer getting paid less to not have to deal with that shit).

[@joaofabio5927]

I am a young Chemistry PhD and strugling to find a job. I have noticed three things: 1. High income jobs require lots of experience, they don't hire me. 2. I am considered overqualified for low income jobs, they don't hire me. 3. Medium income jobs seems to not exist nowadays, everybody must be a high-end-super-specialist in their field.

[@TealVillian]

I think another big part of this was how companies treated minimum wage employees during the pandemic. I was not paid hazard pay. I was given longer hours, had to put up with angrier than usual customers, and was constantly being asked to put myself in harms way for nothing. The company did spend money to put a big sign on the OUTSIDE of that building that said "heros work here." Its clear what they cared about. Why would I stay in a job where I'm completely disregarded if I can find a better one?

[@sixcaspersson1649]

Walgreens ?

[@wesley6442]

I worked for a cleaning company and the jobs began to dwindle so the company decides to have us do Covid disinfecting. I can't believe I went through with it, I was so absent minded to the dangers thank goodness I never got sick, but when we confronted the bosses about hazard pay as in we literally went into confirmed covid places and in the same areas as the sick worker was at, quarantined and everything. We were NEVER compensated for hazard pay, they dangled a high pay rate in front of us but the hours were so few it ended up being less than minimum wage, what a joke. I stopped working for companies long ago, I quickly discovered they could care less about their employees and its all about making bank off the backs of your workers. The company literally gave more jobs to specific workers because they were given preferential treatment instead of making it fair and dividing it up, supervisors rushing us to work fast so they make a big commission, so I gave up on companies and work as an independent contractor now, I get in and out in less time and paid more, I put time into doing crappy jobs in electrical on the side and now it pays off having such valuable skills, companies beg to hire me on left and right now because I am a good worker and they have no one to work it but then turn around and play phone tag with you. Last electrical company I worked with had us work on live circuits and one guy almost electrocuted himself and just laughed it off, I can't believe how ignorant people can be, I literally worked a job prior to that one where a guy got electrocuted and burned 40% of his upper body, only person who cares about your well being and safety, is you is. That is what I have come to learn, screw companies

[@TealVillian]

@@sixcaspersson1649 CVS, but same thing realistically, lol.

[@xavierking6639]

This a great point. The pandemic exposed unethical practices of a lot of companies.

[@MissMoontree]

Good atmospheres matter as much as good pay. I feel I got less of a deal now people at my job are grumpier and we have to deal with angry and upset costumers.

[@MalformedNPC]

Companies need to stop giving managerial positions to people who only care about themselves. Almost every job I've worked at people in management think it means they don't have to work as hard. If your employees are struggling then get out on the floor, kitchen, whatever it is and help.

[@lukatomic8778]

Nah, it shouldn't be their job, really. But they have an important role they fail to act upon. It's called management, and it's designed to maximize company profits WHILE also fulfilling the needs of their subordinates. Their managers need to accommodate to them as well. Such a stupid reality we live in today, right? One which is twisted 😔

[@scythermantis]

Maybe the types of people who have psychopathic and sociopathic traits just end up in places like that?

[@pumkinmuscles1104]

A lot of people have no real understanding of what it means to be in a leadership position. They just get management by default but have no real interest in devoloping actual leadership skills because that requires empathy and actual genuine team building. These companies do some fake kindergarten version of it and its always corny.

[@vivvy_0]

@@scythermantis not maybe. that are encouraged traits for these positions, sadly

[@MalformedNPC]

@@lukatomic8778 My comment is more me venting about past jobs than an umbrella of management. I've seen managers just sitting in their office all day doing absolutely nothing when the employees are struggling to get work done. I have met a few managers that actually make sure everything is going smoothly and treating employees with respect but it's sparse. One mistake I made was getting into management and trying to help employees. Good god if you disrupt the manager eco-system by pointing out things we could do or change to make the job more efficient they will flip on you in an instant. Anyway I'm no doctor and I guess it's all part of the game. Work till you die.

[@jasons9875]

My previous job took years to learn properly, but the company didn't pay a liveable wage. I tried getting my coworkers to make a stand because so many were struggling. Not one of them was interested in talking to a union or organizing. I left and got a great job. I'm glad people are taking a stand. No point in having a job if you can barely support yourself with it.

[@910CGriffith]

I always recommend “temporary-Retirement” or “extended vacations”. Work your ass off for 6 month, a year, 2 years; then be jobless and let your passions lead you in life instead of just the profit incentive. Sometimes you’ll fall into something that will lead you to making some money extending your “vacation” time. Never bleed your bank accounts totally. This has been good for me and my mental health. Im 30 and have repeated this cycle 3 times.

[@Spartan-Of-Truth]

FANTASTIC way of viewing life!

[@slendeaway7730]

The whole "kids are so lazy these days" is such propaganda and it's so damn sad that so many people have fallen for it.

[@spinthepickle1244]

Years ago, I was so angry at a new hire who was the actual, living, breathing example of the idea people had of Lazy, Over-Demanding Millennial. Gave a really bad rap to new graduates like my siblings who were struggling to find meaningful job opportunities. The experience also soured management on hiring new grads in that department for several years (they focused on hiring middle age people wanting to make the transition from retail jobs to office jobs). I'm glad I had young people in my life that gave me a broader perspective on the generation. 'cuz she was awful, lol.

[@TheGreektrojan]

That propaganda has worked in all cultures since the beginning of recorded history.

[@Chunmeista]

They've shifted the goalposts to make it as if anyone who raises an issue about wages or their workplace is automatically seen as "lazy".

[@hurlentropy6866]

Kids are lazy due to social media and instant gratification. We have a higher propensity to want instant results or reward. Our minds divert to the next form of stimuli at an ever increasing rate yet our visual cortex is desensitized at an ever increasing rate. This could surely make someone lazy and cause them to lose the ability to focus for extended periods

[@staresattheworld]

Propaganda is everywhere. Thanks for being aware.