HEATED DEBATE: Is Newcastle's Title Charge OVER!?

[@lxchm]

Lewis Bowden worries me, he actually believes the stuff he comes out with

[@OssianF1]

The white aftv Ty

[@elijah-k2396]

He doesn’t rep us btw but I do believe that we could’ve been able to go for the title if we kept the last season for

[@johno9761]

He’s the most DELUSIONAL football fan on planet earth he makes Ty from AFTV look normal 😂

[@johno9761]

@@elijah-k2396what? Talking absolute BULLSHIT Newcastle fans you aren’t as good as you think you are you got lucky last season.

[@jout738]

Its funny how he was mad earlier, when these guys didnt put Newcastle to their top 4. I have seen, that atleast over 90% of people who did their top 4. Didnt put Newcastle in there. Some put Tottenham in there and bit ridiculously Chelsea also, so I dont get it why he was so mad, when some put Newcastle fifth, that is only one position of fourth. Newcastle isent big team with famous football players. They just had good season in the last season and thats why they just got into the top four, but now, when Liverpool does better. It locks out Newcastle from top 4 and they get instead Europa League where they might do better with easier competition, than in Champions League.

[@dercz3171]

If arsenal or united or city or Liverpool had 3 points after 4 games, he’d be the first lad to say they’re washed and out of the title race

[@WistiPurpleday]

I am a Liverpool fan, we had 5 points this time last year. And we were all saying it was over.

[@johno9761]

He’s a delusional moron who thinks his club is bigger and better than what they really are.

[@twoonswig3667]

Reckon if you speak to most Newcastle fans they aren’t coping like this guy

[@umbai8962]

​@@twoonswig3667he is virtually the only person who holds the opinions he does. Im convinced its for views

[@charliehuston5850]

If you want to win a league title you need to beat the hard teams

[@Gayleem]

Cheers Geoff

[@popo-vt4bj]

🤯

[@A-guyhearts]

Ah I never new that

[@charliehuston5850]

@@A-guyhearts why Lewis obviously doesn't know that you don't need to be such an ass about it

[@WistiPurpleday]

At least beat the hard teams when the hard team are 10 men the whole game.

[@thedunyadoneya2628]

Lewis essentially saying "we're close to the best team in the league, but the best teams in the league are clear".

[@GurinderJohal]

All you have to say is that Newcastle last year only had 5 losses which is mental. This year they already have 3, how can anyone not see that they overachieved last year and their target should trying to get top 4 again

[@AlicsZed]

99% of Newcastle fans know this, I'd be buzzing with europa league this season tbh. Unfortunately it's the thick ones like balden who talk the loudest.

[@Adam-de1gp]

​@@AlicsZedI don't mean any disrespect by this but you're most likely getting grouped in the UCL. Would you rather have come 5th last season with the high possibility of advancing far in Europa, or coming last in your UCL group

[@AlicsZed]

@@Adam-de1gp on our day I truly think we could just make it out the group but it's highly unlikely the way we're playing, but even if we lose every game I'd still have taken champions league over europa this year, it's a dream to be playing teams like this again plus the extra money is good for FFP

[@focusfn5974]

@@Adam-de1gp i think if we could pick up our form we wont get grouped and we have a chance to get out the group, dortmund recently have been shite and psg are the same, they have lost a few players and their attack is different for me the standout team in that ucl group is ac milan by far

[@Kronthedon2333]

@@AlicsZeda sensible fan 😂. Newcastle United massively overachieved last season . Top 6 this year and a decent cup run/ UCL run would surely be excellent .

[@genozide1996]

Didn’t Lewis rate Tonali as the best signing in the prem😂 now he’s the problem, fucking hell

[@user-gs1gs3jl3e]

How the hell is Tonali a problem😂

[@FrozenSavage]

​@@user-gs1gs3jl3ehe wants SEAN LONGSTAFF over Tonali 😭😭😭

[@kallumwilliamson4001]

How is Tonali the problem😂 probably been one of our best players

[@Yeeum222]

They have the best midfield in the league !

[@heavenshound6775]

@@Yeeum222could not be more false, please refrain from commenting given your ignorance on the subject

[@AkiraEdits]

No one pointed it out but Lewis said "Momentum is important" but then said "ofc Brighton won against us they just lost" so which is it ? Is it important to have momentum or is it important to lose before a winstreak

[@soneshlal]

Lewis is so shameless is just embarrassing

[@has199]

Hes right about Longstaff though, Newcastles midfield without Longstaff has no balance

[@bendavidjohn]

He’s only doing it for clicks mun, he’s not this deluded in person believe it or not.

[@ryanneve8734]

​@@bendavidjohn You know him do ya?

[@cavani3948]

I love Lewis completely contradicting himself all season with his chelsea agenda and Newcastle 😂 1. chelsea shouldn't lose to ten men 2. Once things start clicking it'll be fine 3. Newcastle played well they just didn't take chances Long may it continue

[@jieksun]

“Newcastle have had a ridiculously hard start to the season” Burnley: 😭✌️

[@ezesty2754]

Hang on a minute who thought Newcastle was in the title race😂

[@dylanks3163]

lewis

[@focusfn5974]

i mean theres two teams in contention and thats city and arsenal, liverpool have gone shite same wit man utd and chelsea and if newcastle are so bad and all that why did they pump villa 5-1 when villa are supposedly gonna be a class team this season

[@lewisjames4101]

​@@focusfn5974liverpool haven't tho have they? They will be in a title race along with city and arsenal .

[@scotty212]

@@lewisjames4101ffs why after FOUR GAMES football fans have NO BRAINS AT ALL.

[@jimbo_8159]

@@focusfn5974dont compare liverpool to united and chelsea, and we’re better than Newcastle, and imo we’re playing better then arsenal at the moment too so how have we gone shite?

[@jameslovell8433]

Not one of Newcastle fans claimed we’d be challenging for the title. Other clubs fans did.

[@dylanks3163]

lewis

[@memestrous]

lewis

[@BenLeinster]

lewis

[@tbc8954]

@@dylanks3163does he even believe it or do they just do this to farm videos though 😂

[@dylanks3163]

@@tbc8954 defo believe it

[@waynesworld1088]

seeing Newcastle fans humbled is like a drug to me rn

[@leemays7033]

Not really humbled? Far from it infact. Only bad result was throwing it away against Liverpool, likely a single team dont take 3 points from City at the Etihad this season, so a 1-0 loss is a decent result really, 75% will lose away to Brighton as well. We know we over achived last season, but as long as we put Brentford to the sword after the break, should be back on track.

[@rakune7252]

The arrogance is startling. The sad reality is that they’ve been so terrible for decades that now they’ve had one good result because they overachieved they think they’re in the top 4 as a guarantee. They believe they’re the big boys now but sadly they’re going to scrapping against some murderous teams to even get top 6. They’re getting 8th place realistically

[@rakune7252]

@@leemays7033you couldn’t finish it against a 10 man Liverpool team. Getting into top 4 and pushing Man City requires you to put teams like that to the sword. You haven’t just been humbled, you’ve been humiliated.

[@tiahills9636]

​@@rakune7252teams just play better with 10 men last time newcastle were down to 10 and played way more better

[@leemays7033]

Pipe down some foreign immigrant prick more than likely... @@rakune7252

[@JKnight23]

Klopps coaching outclassed Howe and Newcastle

[@alpey8487]

Newcastle overperfromed last season and 4 out of the big 6 had a shocker which made them look even better they are on current squad a 6th/7th place team they are going to struggle with the lack of depth with the cl kicks in as well

[@harrisonbaker7474]

as a newcastle fan, how can lewis think we are in any title charge, there is no reason to think that this guy acts like a Man U fan.

[@JKnight23]

City basically held newcastles head like a child, Liverpool had 10 men for 70 mins and Brighton outplayed Newcastle. Long seaosn

[@ethanlouis7690]

I have been waiting for this exact video since the Brighton game, Tom always hits the facts spot on

[@jad.t9774]

Lewis is 100% right. Newcastle have faced tough teams… But they’ve lost to all of them, meaning they’re not competing with them. That’s it lmfao… Newcastle is a 5th to 8th place team. People should stop expecting them to overachieve and then make excuses when they don’t.

[@crookieee]

You play everyone twice.. if you want to win the league or compete for top four you can’t lose your home games to rivals or drop points to others end of

[@louis2712l]

Get rid of Lewis

[@thetruth4654]

Let’s be honest, they overachieved last season, so Nobody should have expected them to have a title challenge this season, Newcastle mainly needed Champions League to attract better players to wanna join their club.

[@SouthPark12369]

I love how half this podcast is ripping into the Newcastle fella

[@JoshArtim]

This Brummy guy is absolutely elite 😂

[@RenewedRS]

He's black country why you calling him brummie

[@JoshArtim]

@@RenewedRS generalised really. Obviously idk him so just assumed his background

[@Geoglyph89]

When exactly did this 'charge' begin?!

[@deeztac]

Honestly get Lewis of the show, you lot can’t have a sensible debate about Newcastle as long as he’s there

[@ryangreenhow1223]

As a newcastle fan lewis is unbearable, longstaff this season has came on and we’ve conceded more than when he’s not been on he’s literally conceded 4 goals in the last 60 mins he’s played

[@BullseyetK]

Theres obviously no title challenge but everything else the Newcastle fan said is spot on. Can't tell if the other 3 lads are just prying for a reaction or if they're genuinely that dismissive of Newcastle. None of their arguments were logically sound at all.

[@Arkaprava243]

As a Newcastle fan, any other Newcastle fan who thinks we were in for a title challenge (even before how shit we’ve been despite the tough fixtures) is absolutely clueless. I hope the Newcastle fan in the podcast was just taking the piss lol.

[@Q-Ace]

I think everyone is wrong here. Newcastle HAVE had a tricky start but also should have performed better generally against all but Villa so far I also agree that Longstaff does make a difference. Not HUGE but he's a vital part of our midfield imo

[@travis_ward9772]

Tom saying we’d finish 7th at the end got it spot on hahaha

[@shivaramakrishnareddy6040]

Lewis the most delusional fan of any club i have ever seen in my entire life

[@oliclarke3899]

If Newcastle win 24 games and draw 10 games for the remainder of the season (highly unlikely) they will finish the season with 85 points, which hadn’t been enough to win the league since Leicester in 15/16. Balden doesn’t have a scooby

[@NKPA1-z7x]

Theo saying don’t cry is the most ironic thing I’ve seen on this channel

[@soya4683]

The Newcastle support (sorry idk his name) is correct about the Longstaff comments, whenever you change a working midfield, it’s when you realise what each player actually did and why it worked, saying that, Newcastle were never gonna win the title 😆

[@joeyyuh]

Where can I WATCH the full episodes of these please someone help

[@jonnydent777]

"Howe came in and Newcastle were performing straight away" He won 1 game out of 10. Losing 5 including going out of the FA cup at home to Cambridge. Absolutely horrendous ball knowledge from Tom yet again.

[@Eddie-ec8co]

Newcastle have had 3 very hard opponents, but they have lost payed bad football regardless.

[@dixieenormis]

it was never on tbf to them

[@tbc8954]

We were never in a title charge they just do this shit for engagement 😂 not worried about the season though, we’ve had the hardest start by far. Next 4 games we’ll see where we’re really at.

[@alvinaditya1610]

to be fair, all 3 defeats of newcastle were againts very good sides, i think newcastle are far from ready to be a title challenger, but they are good enough for top 4, but EPL are so competitive, with arsenal, liverpool, man united, tottenham, even west ham and brigton are all competing for top 4

[@twizzler31]

I’m convinced Lewis is a wind up at this point.

[@test-wt2um]

Is super 6 not a thing in Australia or something cause it won’t let me on the site

[@amillican666]

no newcastle fan with any sense thought we were in a title race.. getting top 4 again would be a massive achievement

[@advitrastogi736]

acc to lewis, creating chances is more imp than converting them cuz thats clealry his point as to how newcastle hv been better than all

[@cameronflaws3084]

There was never a title charge to begin with

[@Samjie]

Tom having to ask Theo about 5 different times how many point Newcastle were from City last season had me cracking up.

[@JackPreston-c6y]

They have got the manager in eddie howe BUT going through rebuild plus you need to compete with the top teams away and home.

[@jackwinston3119]

Nah Lewis isn't real. "You guys are looking for anyway to put down Newcastle" after saying the reason they're losing is because they have no Sean Longstaff. They don't need to look for a way to put down Newcastle they just show you the table they're already down.

[@yusufsampson1248]

where can i watch a full pitchside and not just the clips

[@ajc3289]

Spotify

[@yusufsampson1248]

@@ajc3289 but is there with video or is it just audio

[@00elowe]

Newcastle drew at home last season to Leicester West Ham Leeds Palace Bournemouth IF we win those games that’s an extra 10 points so 8 points off Man City,3 behind Arsenal who were in a title battle. We didn’t finish lower opposition at home last season.

[@yanoyup6260]

If my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle

[@Leontw127]

In defense of Newcastle, they have by far had the hardest start to the season. Brighton and City away, Villa and Liverpool at home, you're wild to think that's not a horror start

[@jimbo_8159]

Burnley?

[@EpicKingsto]

My Pitch Side conspiracy theory is that Lewis doesn’t actually believe the shit he says, but his deluded arguments are meant to drive up engagement

[@infinityd1545]

As a Newcastle fan, the goal wasn’t to win the title, the goal was to keep our ucl spot

[@craiglee3653]

Stewart Pearce is the only one saying Newcastle are on a title charge, they call him psych for a reason 😜 I'd be happy with top 6 this season, it would be as much of an achievement as last season, maybe more so with CL games. Still fancy us for top 4 though.

[@Coopdogg04]

"momentum is essential" "Brighton had just lost massively it was the worst time to play them" this bloke

[@AxomA]

In fairness anyone at all saying Newcastle for the title are silly, even after the villa game, top 5 would be an incredibly good season

[@aimangotze]

the confidence newcastle fans get after getting 4th when Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs were so shit last season is pretty crazy

[@unknowndash]

Why would our target be competing for the title? Come on its probably reasonable to say we’re competing for top 6

[@ryanschultz4119]

I don't know how anyone can listen to these guys talking in circles?!🤷‍♂️ And someone needs to tell this chap. That missing chances isn't part of playing well.🤦‍♂️

[@kd5973]

Newcastle were never going to launch a title charge so how could something that wasn’t happening in the first place be over?

[@LTAD-xi6sw]

It’s all very well saying Newcastle have had some tough games to start with. These are the games Newcastle need to be winning if they want to challenge for the title. They need to be competing with teams like Liverpool and City, as well as United and Arsenal, less so Chelsea now, but obviously Brighton are coming into the fore. They did well against Villa, I’ll give them that, but they haven’t really got going to be honest

[@tbc8954]

There’s not a chance we win the league and there never was, he’s absolutely mental. Doesn’t mean we can’t have a great season. Think we got the same points out of the same fixtures last season.

[@kallumwilliamson4001]

When did we say we were going to win the title?😂 no one actually thinks that, we’ve had a hard start to the season no worry about it really

[@dylanks3163]

not ur fans just lewis

[@kallumwilliamson4001]

@@dylanks3163 fair enough 😂😂

[@_shmeezy]

What title charge? I had them sixth and they certainly could still be thereabouts. They were never going to be close to the title and I'm not sure if anyone was actually saying they were.

[@beniprec3189]

Lewis making us Newcastle fans look insane. None/very few of us thought we’d even be close to the title, and you can’t really excuse the Liverpool loss since we had them at 10 men for over a half. Man City, fair enough they scored a great goal and we didn’t threaten enough but the Brighton game kinda does show Lewis’ point of Longstaff’s importance to the midfield. He does all the dirty work and hard running which allowed Bruno and Joelinton and Joe Willock (which is a big miss atm as well) to flourish last season, which is why his goal contribution numbers were lower than the rest. The midfield of Bruno, Joelinton and Longstaff was the driving force of the team last season, and the half season before that, so changing it up to fit in Tonali is gonna take time to adjust since he and Bruno aren’t willing runners and everyone can see that Joelinton is exhausted and has gotten injured every game he’s played so far, only to then be rushed back to fitness for the next game. We will be fine, but challenging for the title is on no one’s mind

[@williamlillicrapp7601]

Teams like West Ham and Brentford will still beat Newcastle in the coming weeks and midweek champions league games will kill them.

[@brettpearce8843]

Who thought Newcastle were challenging for a title. 😂 Most people knew they'd struggle getting back into Europe nevermind CL and especially a title.

[@shaunlucas3810]

Imagine a conversation between Lewis and ty from aftv. Fuck me that would be a hard listen

[@martinjasper7650]

What title challenge? ? ? Only a totally freak believed that Newcastle could win the PL!

[@andymore62]

They have no chance of winning a title, but I think they’ll compete for top 5. Arsenal, City, and Liverpool are virtually locks. Then Spurs, United, Brighton, and Newcastle will compete for those last two spots.

[@dandasolo]

Chelsea play golf then, yeah?

[@andymore62]

@@dandasolo Chelsea have played one of the easiest schedules thus far and have 4 points to show from it. They will finish somewhere in the 8-12 range.

[@iknowball1301]

to early to call arsenal or liverpool locks

[@Rob981.]

Does my head in this - Lewis actually has good points they just shoot him down and then he starts saying ridiculous things as a result

[@sparktom5841]

Lewis is clueless, howe done so well when he came in cause he changed the training and style of play, made them play high intensity, not saying they have but he could potentially get found out this season

[@lukecannon8710]

Newcastle aren’t that good , Liverpool Tottenham and Chelsea just had bad seasons which opened the doors last season. They will revert to norm this season, a Europa league team if they are lucky

[@nathanbullock9813]

even as a newcastle fan lewis is talking utter shite, against brighton we were shocking, liverpool howe made the wrong changes and its embarrasing to lose to ten men in final minutes of a game. Our window wasnt as good as people made out we needed a LB who could replace burn, a proper CDM a 10 and a winger we bought barnes but hes not even starting over miggy whos been shite.

[@Kristian-wj9up]

Jesus Christ these guys are intolerable. As if they are trying to argue villa, city, Liverpool and Brighton weren’t the toughest run in this season 😂😂😂

[@shivaramakrishnareddy6040]

Newcastle made top 4 last season because the other teams didn't perform well ,they were good but not special

[@charltondsouza4644]

Is Lewis this channels Ty?

[@mrcasino7051]

Newcastle by the end of the season finished 18 points behind City.. they are already 9 points behind them and we are only 4 games in 😂

[@samwilsamwil-pr6so]

Nobody apart from lewis said we were gonna have a title charge

[@renehernandez866]

Something that did not exist cannot be over

[@evancouture3249]

This is a weekly clip at this rate 😂

[@charliedugmore1289]

Why does Lewis get so much shit?!😅 he makes some very good points!! It’s like 3 on 1. Get him on the panel instead of behind the camera

[@jordandelurey8079]

Liverpool had Chelsea Newcastle villa ok Newcastle had wity but as a Liverpool fan city are nowhere near their best at the start of seasons they've struggled in large parts of games except for Newcastle there also missing key players

[@JM_Karting02]

Newcastle didn’t have one to begin with? I don’t think any sane human would put Newcastle above or even in the same league as city

[@grim8748]

Wait! It's over?!?, when did it begin? 🤔 😂

[@mytyak07]

Is that even a debate?

[@XIAP0LL0IX]

We never had a title charge. We’ve just got champions league football, so we’re expecting a slight drop off. There is no worry. We had statistically the hardest start to the premier league by a long shot. Eddie Howe made his first ever major mistake as Newcastle manager, every manager has them, unfortunately his came at a very bad time which cost us the game against Liverpool. We’ve came out with 3 points compared to the 4 points we got in these same fixtures last year. Should’ve been 6, but like I said Eddie Howe’s mistake cost us. 3 physical and tiring games, 2 of which were very mentally and physically strenuous led to a bad performance at Brighton whilst they were having an absolute worldie. If we had had a major drop off and I had no idea why it was happening I would be concerned. But we haven’t. We know exactly what’s gone wrong and how they can fix it.

[@XIAP0LL0IX]

And just to add to that, the bullshit about having a terrible game against Man City coming from Tom is, like I say, bullshit. Man City had to completely change how they played to accommodate against us. Pep even said it himslef. They closed us down with everything we got. So of course Fulham was going to be better against them. You’re using Fulham as proof that we were bad against city, whilst not taking in to account how they had to play against us compared to Fulham, it’s completely irrelevant. it was 2 different playing styles in 2 wildly different games.

[@redshift8302]

@@XIAP0LL0IX Klopp and players like Szoboszlai, Salah and Nunez get managers to make enforced errors. Howe could have done things differently but the end result would have been the same. Pep said the Liverpool team of 2019-2022 was the toughest opponent he ever faced and they are not far off that level.

[@mitchellheritage1595]

Guess we have found Baldon’s burner… you can’t keep leaning on last years performance as a data point for why you will be good. You are losing games and your start puts you in a tough (impossible) spot to win. Don’t be angry at people that call you on it, be upset you believed you could beat city

[@XIAP0LL0IX]

@@mitchellheritage1595 “Don’t use past games as reference to how well you should be doing, that’s ridiculous. It’s absolutely unfathomable that you’d do such a heinous thing” why not? Why can’t you compare the games you’ve just played to the games you played last season. We’re 1 point worse off after playing some of the hardest fixtures we’ll ply then we were last season…and we got 4th. We’re expecting a drop off. We haven’t had champions league football in 20 years, we are expecting a drop off. We’ve played 4 games and had a 1 point drop off from those same fixtures. And just to add to that, Saying we’ve had a bad start so it puts you in an impossible place to win is completely irrelevant when I’ve already said, we were never in a title charge and are expecting a drop off. Stop using the mackem on the pod as your reference

[@XIAP0LL0IX]

@@redshift8302 That is just completely untrue. The result would not have been the same at all, because if Howe hadn’t of made the mistake he did the errors that led to the goals wouldn’t have happened. So you’re chatting out your arse there. Every manager has and will make at least 1 major error in their career, this was Howe’s first as Newcastle manager.

[@willhunt7282]

Let’s be honest, even if you support newcastle, there’s more of the tallest person you know head-butting the moon than there is of them winning the title

[@adamday7897]

Balden gives us nufc fans such a bad rep… we overachieved last season completely. I’d take 7th in the league this season in a heartbeat. We’ll enjoy the big ties in the UCL and hope for a steady league campaign

[@agoatcalledolliemcburnie7839]

They were never in the title charge, stupid to even consider them in it

[@soloshit2154]

toms frustration at theo not getting what he wants him to look up is fkn awesome from 8:15 to 8:45

[@jimstephans1948]

what do you expect from Lewis, bro changes his opinion on players ever week..

[@thebig0plonkerdon818]

it took time for city to start challenging the title after the new owners came in, just give it time and dont spew so much toss

[@jonnystewart5361]

Thinking Newcastle finishing 7th is massively generous they'll be damn lucky to get top 10. No squad depth at all and champions league this season... theyre fucked

[@Jerrard232]

Their squad is nowhere near a title challenging squad… they barely have the 6th best squad in the league! A top 6 finish with a few cup runs is decent. Last season was just a red herring

[@circle2867]

since when were they even in a challenge in the first place?

[@sammyrochford1057]

It’s impossible to take Lewis seriously

[@jordandelurey8079]

If you want to be a top 4 team or title challenging team you have to beat them teams you can't lose every single game when a team is near or better than u

[@jaydorrian2050]

Lewis’ problem is he doesn’t realise all the other team has gotten massively better. Newcastle haven’t

[@tbc8954]

Think it remains to be seen, our midfield has changed. I think our ceiling is higher than it was last season but it’ll take time for them to reach it, if you know what I mean.

[@josephbrook9598]

Newcastle were never in a title race we say it as a joke a lot of time because we know man city are really good. This lewis guy just waffles about this for views