HEATED DEBATE: Newcastle are BIGGER Than Everton!?

Join Pitch Side’s official Super 6 mini-league now using the code PTCHS6: super6uk.onelink.me/URFx/hnxn...
Round-by-round and monthly winners prizes available. Ts & Cs: Monthly - super6.skysports.com/landing/...
Round - super6.skysports.com/landing/...
Theo and Tom are joined by hardcore Spurs fan Henry Wright TV to talk the FALL of Spurs, are Man City Champions? And things get HEATED as they debate who are the Premier Leagues BIGGEST clubs.
To watch & listen to the FULL podcast check out the links below
Listen on Spotify - open.spotify.com/show/3bVKnox...
Listen on Apple Podcasts - podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast...
Join the Pitch Side FPL league for a chance to WIN the signed England shirt!
Code: dx4a8d
Follow us on Instagram - / pitchsideinstagram
Theo:
/ himalfoy
/ theobakervlogs
Ollie:
/ reev
/ olliefletcher
Tom:
/ @tomgarratt1
Henry:
/ henrywright96
/ @henrywright365

[@GreenFoo72]

Theo just sitting there with a big old smile on his face knowing the content he just got from this confrontation

[@jackbutler3594]

I honestly think Lewis’ opinions has taken 5 years off Toms life 🤣

[@liamthompson417]

Good

[@liamthompson417]

@@cw8584 you don’t add an additional ‘s’ to the end of a proper noun you idiot Lewis’ is correct

[@jammyjamjars6995]

I’d say all the drugs in his system after his arm snapped probably did it lol

[@jamsir7680]

I'm a Newcastle fan and listening to the Geordie's opinions are making me question whether I can keep watching this podcast

[@kallumwilliamson4001]

Don’t know why anyone watches it anyway they talk shit

[@LelandBojko]

Lewis hurts my brain

[@rogersmith9535]

Maybe he should stay behind the camera

[@LB-xw5ks]

@@rogersmith9535 aye and get the mic took off him

[@shivamnayak7163]

​@@rogersmith9535 without the mic and opinion

[@joshallen1846]

And punched in the mouth

[@TonyTynebridge]

Lewis held his own here tbh, other two made some shocking points

[@nameanteater4772]

Newcastle fans: “Ashley is taking money from the club and not investing anything” Also Newcastle fans: “Money has nothing to do with it”

[@mikelitorous5570]

Without Saudi money there isn’t a chance they would have been able to attract Bruno and Isak to the club and spend 45 mil on Gordon

[@johnirving3084]

​@@mikelitorous5570 someones bitter 😂

[@AdnanAli_313]

@@mikelitorous5570 Coming from a hater Newcastle has always attracted big stars always will .

[@AdnanAli_313]

@@johnirving3084 Newcastle spent pennies and top boys still done shit and paid then less wages also . Newcastle success was down to Eddie Howe and fan base at St Janes Park in 3 windows we spent 250 mi

[@lecharls4128]

They have spent basic big 6 money recently.Before we were on par with the bottom 4 for spending.(Bar Joelinton and maxi in one window)

[@dylanmulroe9978]

People don’t realise how big Everton were in the past, in an all time english 1st division Everton are 3rd only behind Liverpool and Arsenal, above every other single team.

[@cameronsmith7328]

⁠@@BigAsianMan1999like newcastle have been for the last 15 years until money came in

[@cameronsmith7328]

@@BigAsianMan1999 yes everton have been worse then newcastle for the last 3 years maybe? Before that everton have never and still havent been relegated from the top flight. Newcastles last major trophy is 40 years behind evertons last manor trophy. So we can say “this is the past” but in that instance if a clubs value us based off recency then man city are the greatest

[@GreenLionGaming696]

I love podcasts where I can't hear what any of them say because they all screaming down the mic

[@harvmarks4486]

I love the way Tom started the chaos then sat there and watched it all unfold infront of him with a big grin. That’s why he’s the GOAT

[@garymaidman625]

Tom or Theo? Tom got was losing his shit.

[@NateUK2000]

Did Tom just say Bobby Robson isn't a Newcastle legend?

[@TonyTynebridge]

And the other guy thinks Newcastle are owned by the Qataris 😂💀

[@oppboy3344]

He also said Rooney is an Everton legend 🤣

[@chadchadderton]

i mean i sort of understand his point... sir bobby is known as a ipswich legend, and to a similar extent a west brom legend. a legendary manager who isn't legendary for every single club he managed... meaning yes he's probably not a newcastle "legend" considering his standing with clubs like ipswich

[@NateUK2000]

@@chadchadderton Mate that's a ridiculous claim. Ask most Ipswich fans and they'd say he's also a Newcastle legend. He's got a statue outside of st James. That's deluded.

[@chadchadderton]

@@NateUK2000 newcastle fans want to give eddie howe a statue for fumbling a carabao cup final mate... bill cosby had a statue champ, your argument is beyond deluded im actually worried for your mental well being after such a pathetic reply.

[@tedsalt1312]

Currently I’d say everton are bigger but the future looks bright for newcastle and if we came back to this conversation in 10-20 years we could quite easily be saying newcastle are the bigger club

[@rowan2828]

just wait till the next oppressive regime comes in and buys up Everton and pumps it with short-term cash to try and beat his dictator buddies in the premier league owner game they are all playing with everybody's futures.

[@shivamnayak7163]

Sure just like city can be bigger than utd during that time😊

[@sahelhoque8810]

@@shivamnayak7163 nope

[@isaacbullough6088]

But this conversation is now which makes your whole comment pointless

[@buttermilk_]

Sad that it’s purely because of saudi oil money

[@BossManPete89]

To correct the lad on the right of the table, Newcastle United have been in the champions league 3 times and Tottenham Hotspur have 5 times. If Newcastle qualify this season Tottenham will have only been in once more than Newcastle.

[@jesterrevan8686]

Spurs 6 times in CL, they qualified in 2010 as well.

[@philthyw]

Spurs also got to a final

[@Jared7628]

Everton r bigger tho by far

[@shaun2463]

Spurs also have 2 major European trophies

[@BossManPete89]

@@shaun2463 well done to the spurs players from the 80s

[@danielyoung6765]

As a Newcastle fan I can confidently say that Everton and villa are bigger than us but who cares man 😂😂 it’s like saying my dads better than your dad ffs.. let them say they’re bigger than us when they’re in the championship next season when we’re at the san Siro playing Milan in the champions league don’t think any Newcastle fan could give a shit tbh 😂😂

[@JohnDoe-yg2eu]

everton really arent much bigger.

[@Mohadam17]

Yh its fine but lewis cares its why hes arguing.

[@chapsjohn7435]

San siros getting knocked down mate😂

[@danielyoung6765]

@@chapsjohn7435Ahh fuck it Bernabeu it is then 😂😂

[@chapsjohn7435]

@@danielyoung6765 enjoy 😂😂😂

[@alexbevan5145]

Jesus. Two people shouting at somebody else over something you literally can't define. Top quality content here lads ...

[@jamieward3774]

What a weird comment literally every video football KZbinrs make is based on opinions

[@TonyTynebridge]

Sad isnt it 😂

[@TonyTynebridge]

Reminds of the my dad is harder than your dad debate

[@oracle8589]

Is this the kickoff rejects show or something..?

[@davidbarker9068]

Whoever the guy in the middle is, he loves the sound of his own voice.

[@andytoon11]

Most brummies do mate. Can't stand them.

[@RayRJR]

That Spurs fan is a walking contradiction. How can you say Villa/Everton are bigger as they have more trophies, but then say Leeds are bigger who have won less?

[@gabsskater]

This spurs fan is like a walking caricature

[@JohnDoe-yg2eu]

that tottenham fan is a clown, he sounds very scared and jealous

[@stevemallard5372]

As an Everton fan it depends on what you're basing it on. Trophies - Everton (9 league titles, 5 fa cups, countless charity shields and a cup winners cup. Players like Dixie Dean, Alan Ball, all of the mid 80s team etc etc Fan base probably Newcastle but Everton have to compete with Liverpool. Newcastle have a great future ahead of them of that there is no doubt

[@leohamlet80]

Shutup lad nowhere near as big as us mate

[@TheNotoriouzBOB]

To say Sir Bobby isn’t a Newcastle legend is the most ridiculous thing they’ve ever said

[@chadchadderton]

he's more known for his time at ipswich... and considering he won fk all with a relatively strong newcastle side his "legendary" status at newcastle can genuinely be questioned. it's not saying he wasn't good there and it's not saying he has a bad legacy at newcastle... but his best days and therefore his "legendary" days were spent elsewhere...

[@todd1928]

No it's not. He is a legend who coached Newcastle after his legendary status was already confirmed. He isn't a Newcastle legend.

[@andytoon11]

​@@todd1928 newcastle united fans which includes myself believe he is a legend for newcastle. Are you a newcastle fan? If not who are you to say who is or isn't a newcastle legend.

[@todd1928]

@@andytoon11 so the only standard for being considered a club legend is if the fans say so? So if enough Manchester City fans say Messi is a club legend does that count?

[@andytoon11]

@@todd1928 you make me no sense.

[@adamharrison3827]

How tf can you say Bobby robson isn’t a Newcastle legend

[@tylermoran8635]

Just as ridiculous as claiming Newcastle are bigger than Everton and villa 🤣🤣🤣

[@adamharrison3827]

@@tylermoran8635 not a bigger club but 100% better team and better atmosphere

[@donmongoose]

Nah, if he was a legend for the club they'd have a statue of him next to the ground. oh wait....

[@tylermoran8635]

@@adamharrison3827 not denying that whatsoever mate, Newcastle have the foundations to become fucking massive once you start raking in trophies in the years to come, I’m just talking about as it stands

[@jakecartereditz9318]

@@adamharrison3827 good thing that wasnt the question they were arguing about

[@mistercal]

Sir Bobby Robson is more than just a Newcastle legend, he's a football legend. But what he did for us as a manager and a gent who grew up going to every Newcastle game, he is one of our own. Need look no further than this quote: 'What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it. It's not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes. It's the noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city. It's a small boy clambering up stadium steps for the very first time, gripping his father's hand, gawping at that hallowed stretch of turf beneath him and, without being able to do a thing about it, falling in love.' - Sir Bobby Robson We miss you Mr Robson, as Jose Mourinho would say

[@iambetterksa2566]

Respect to the Newcastle fan, he held his own

[@martimcalapez6934]

He didn't tho did he? The only reason he gave Was The fans, Tom proceeds to talk about popularity and he says that it doesn't mean anything

[@imascrew6218]

He will be right in 3-4 years

[@k.a.n.e8636]

@@martimcalapez6934 Everton don’t have more fans mate , Newcastle are 11th in the world in terms of shirt sales

[@martimcalapez6934]

@@k.a.n.e8636 that just isn't true, even it was it doesn't mean anything

[@k.a.n.e8636]

@@martimcalapez6934 I mean the source could be wrong but that is what I read

[@Gayleem]

Newcastle actually do have more fans than both Villa and Everton due to the isolated location of the north east. Newcastle untied as team covers a far greater portion of land and population than Villa and Everton do. People as far south as Durham and as far north as the border are Newcastle fans.

[@starbuckscoffee8521]

Exactly toms point Newcastle are only big in Newcastle

[@raducristian6190]

you just made Tom's point even stronger. Only place Newcastle is bigger then Villa,Everton or Leeds is in fact ... in Newcastle

[@TonyTynebridge]

Villa and west ham morph into one club in most peoples eyes

[@Gayleem]

@@raducristian6190 nah I agree Everton and Villa are bigger clubs but I was just strictly speaking to the size of the fanbases. Newcastle has the biggest fanbase out of those 3 clubs.

[@georgebarnes7627]

@@starbuckscoffee8521 live in the south east and know more people who support Newcastle than Everton and villa combined

[@GaelicGuy]

A football club size can be determined by three factors. 1.trophies won 2. Club valuation on a balance sheet. 3. Fan base, both matchday and social media followers. If a club beats another club in at least two of these factors then they are the bigger club.

[@aggapee1660]

Better does not equal bigger. City have put 6 past United last season but they’re still not bigger.

[@GaelicGuy]

@@aggapee1660 utd have far more fans worldwide and have more trophies than City, therefore bigger.

[@stuartranson2131]

Bobby literally has a statue outside SJP. Massive Tom L this one.

[@SouthernGeordie]

The disrespect to say Sir Bobby isn’t a Newcastle legend just shows little they know. Geordie manager, taking us from relegation to the champions league and a top 3 finish. Transformed Newcastle in PL era

[@shivamnayak7163]

Still not bigger than everton Or villa yet

[@Kristian-wj9up]

@@shivamnayak7163 being a big club is literally impossible to quantify, that is why radio stations and millions of KZbinrs make videos about it.

[@joshg2603]

Mate if that’s your argument for why your club is “big”, then your fanbase is even more embarrassing than I originally thought

[@joshg2603]

@@Kristian-wj9up no, I’m saying if Newcastle’s biggest achievement is claiming Bobby Robson, then you’re even smaller than what i originally thought….

[@Kristian-wj9up]

@@joshg2603 nobody mentioned that was newcastles biggest achievement? Not one person said that? The original comment was criticising the video by saying Bobby Robson wasn’t a Newcastle legend. So I don’t know what you’re trying to say? Strange strange behaviour.

[@charliejames9599]

that spurs fan is a melt

[@BellyGood07]

How is Tom on this show?! Calling Rooney a Everton legend while saying Kevin Keegan is not a Newcastle one, he is a Man U legend! And a Spurs fan commenting on Sunderland being a bigger club than Newcastle when they are not even nowhere near in London...and his insecurities about being replaced are so obvious 🤣 We are there just because of money? Haven't other clubs spent money... Like Everton?! And he is talking like Spurs has not spent money, what a fool!

[@f_6h766]

Newcastle have won more trophies than Sunderland what’s he searching

[@goldenferr3t647]

It comes down massively to recency bias from lewis' perspective. They are a big club but thats because theyve had more of a premier league status than any team in that area of the country. You have to take both recent form and history into the equation and face that newcastle are probably in the top 10-15 biggest clubs in england but the coming years could start to change that if they keep up the form theyre on. No way are they currently a bigger club than everton. (Slightly bias efc fan)

[@2011Nikeair]

He said Sir bobby Robson isn't a newcastle legend lmao we literally have a statue of him outside the ground that lad waffles some shite like 😂

[@chadchadderton]

you seem to forget that newcastle will probably put a statue up for their carabao cup final loss... the club is so deprived of success that even sir bobby managing a strong side into the top 5 gets a statue, without winning any relevant trophy. it's worrying.

[@byte101]

@@chadchadderton ouch no need for that. 🤕

[@piercewest6718]

It’s a myth that only people from Newcastle support them I’m from Lincolnshire and I support them and I know loads of people that do just in my town😂

[@willcroot5528]

I also live in Lincoln mate and have done for 20 years and I've never met a Newcastle fan 🤣🤣

[@Support-your-local-team]

Newcastle do realistically have less fans than any club in the UK who get 50k fans a game or more. That isn't an insult btw, means a higher percentage of fans go to games.

[@matthewwatson7465]

Newcastle fan in Lincolnshire here...don't think I've ever seen a Villa or Everton shirt in the county. It's a ridiculous debate.

[@donmongoose]

By the logic used here, Leicester's PL trophy makes them a bigger club than Spurs, this "which club is bigger" debate is pointless if you apply metrics in one situation but not others.

[@elliottwoodman9486]

Not really his argument, his argument is more trophies not recent trophies. Spurs have won 2 premier leagues (before it was the called the premier league) 8 FA cups, and 2 europa Leagues. So yes spurs are much bigger then Leicester. I’m an arsenal fan.

[@zero-ui1ew]

Bro spurs have the premier league

[@vaquaaxo]

Even though that doesn’t work because spurs still has more trophies and more top division titles than Leicester, the point he was making is that it’s all those different factors that contribute to make a “big club” not just trophies

[@garymaidman625]

​@@zero-ui1ew Spurs have never won the Premier League. They have won the First Division, but never the Premier League.

[@reaceconnolly2917]

Spurs have won a league title. Multiple. Football didn't start 30 years ago mate.

[@adam_9722]

Can't lie Tom has been taking a few big L's lately😂 the Robson and Rooney shouts are wild

[@reallybiglemon]

Standout players also helps to get new fans. Like Berbatov buying a Newcastle shirt growing up because of Shearer

[@Soulsbyproductions]

The best way to rank club size for me is to use the all-time premier league table. I agree with the lad's point that what do early 1900s trophies have to do with the current size. That would make Newcastle the 8th biggest club in the country. Behind Man United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Tottenham, Man City and Everton

[@JAM-hg4mp]

That makes no sense, Arsenal and Chelsea are not bigger than Liverpool and Tottenham aren't bigger than Man City now.

[@liamthompson417]

Lewis didn’t pull up too many strong points but he’s right, the other two are clueless. Tom ain’t got a clue

[@clauslarsen8971]

Theo couldn't even think of Iwobi off the top of his head, but after checking his phone, like he does every single debate, he suddenly wants to remind everyone how a player has had a great season because he has a decent average match rating.

[@TheGiantKillers]

The RSSSF Rate the size of relegation based on the number of titles they won during their stay. The five biggest relegations in history are 1: Sunderland {1958} after having won six titles 2: Aston Villa {1936} after having won six titles {however the gap since their last title to relegation was longer} 3: Manchester United {1974} after five titles 4: Newcastle {1934} after 4 titles 5: Liverpool {1954} after 4 titles {and the same time from their last title as Newcastle, but the gap to the title before that was longer} 6: Everton {2023?} after 4 titles {but a longer gap to their last title. RSSSF also rank club's size based on a ranking system dating back to 1888. They award 10 points to the champions, 9, 8,,7 all the way down to 1 for 10th every year. If a team misses top ten two years in a row a point is deducted from their tally, next year two points deducted, next year three. The sequence stops when the team either loses all their points or gets a fresh top ten finish. I can advise that on that ranking, Newcastle were a bigger club then Everton only briefly from 1958-1963.

[@Ocksar1]

L from Garrett about Bobby Robson. As an Ipswich fan, Robson is huge legend at both us and Newcastle

[@dylenhassan9132]

Agree as someone who’s lived in both Newcastle and Ipswich 👍

[@xeomak7807]

You go anywhere on holiday, they hear a NE accent. "Are you are Geordie" "Are you from Newcastle" Nobody ever says, are you from Mackemland

[@lokxgg]

aston villa and everton are clear of newcastle

[@LewisJamieson6]

and WHU

[@nautile2]

@@LewisJamieson6 no your just off the spectrum.

[@ooooolalalala]

Villa have been in the 3rd tier of english football tinpot is an understatement

[@YouGotSmurfed]

Since Newcastle last won the League Everton have won it 7 times Since Newcastle last won the FA Cup Everton have won it 3 times. Since Newcastle last won the Charity Shield Everton have won it 9 times. Since Newcastle last won any major trophy Everton have won 3 Titles, 2 FA Cups, 6 Charity Shields & the European Cup Winners Cup. Since Everton were last relegated Newcastle have been relegated 5 times Everton have spent more seasons in the top flight than any other club Eveton have over 30,000 season ticket holders & a reported waiting list of 22,000 despite the absolute dross that we currently go to watch

[@JayJayMackay]

Mate have you seen Newcastles ticket ques

[@masoncoop4692]

Literally a statue of sir Bobby outside the stadium numpty! NUFC rattling everyone 🖤🤍🖤🤍

[@adamkennedy7297]

😂😂😂 no mate it's Newcastle fans who are triggered. You've won a few games and want everyone to treat you like a big club you haven't won a trophy in over 50 years 😂😂

[@thomasbennett8476]

1955

[@jacksondouds7343]

How’s a tottenham fan going on about trophies 😂

[@raducristian6190]

Imagine Newcastle HAVE LESS trophies and they're talking about BIG CLUBS

[@jacksondouds7343]

@@raducristian6190 exactly trophies don’t make a big club

[@raducristian6190]

@@jacksondouds7343 i always banter Spurs but i have to say IT. They are bigger then newcastle in every aspect.

[@shaun2463]

Don't they have the 5th most trophies in England or something?

[@nautile2]

@@shaun2463 6th

[@JohnDoe-yg2eu]

sunderland factually havent won more trophies than us, its not even close. i wish they had a knowledgeable newcastle fan there to defend us.

[@starbuckscoffee8521]

Newcastle have won either one more trophy or the same. Sunderland have 6 league titles and 2 fa cups. Newcastle have 5/6 fa cups and 4 leagues I think

[@JohnDoe-yg2eu]

@@starbuckscoffee8521 you clearly cant count. Google is free

[@SlimClipper]

Anyone who thinks Calvert-Lewin is awful doesn’t know what they’re watching.

[@adamcaldwell4345]

Everton definitely have the history but one of Newcastle's big claims is still being able to fill a 50,000+ seater stadium every week in the championship. I guess we will see if Everton are able to match that next year.

[@lecharls4128]

It was painfull but good support pulls through!

[@TheAlphaDingo]

As a Boro fan, Newcastle had bigger crowds than Everton in the championship! Let's see how Everton go next season playing Hull, Rotherham and Coventry away. Football is simply bigger and more important to the NE than it is to Merseyside (one plastic tourist club, one comedy club).

[@jorgeandrade783]

Newcastle have bigger crowds do you know why? Because their capacity is bigger obviously so don’t get this argument

[@TheAlphaDingo]

@@jorgeandrade783 it's pretty obvious so I'm sorry you don't get it. Football fans in the NE are football mad and the most passionate in the country by a long way. When Newcastle eventually increase their stadium to 70k capacity, they will still have huge demand. Everton do not have this problem. Their fans are not as loyal, passionate or dedicated. When they move to the new stadium or are relegated, they will have huge empty sections in the stands. Just look at last week, Goodison Park was almost empty at the 60th minute as their fans had given up hope and lost interest. Same goes for Liverpool, if they weren't successful, they wouldn't get the 90% tourists and casual fans who go to Anfield to sing YNWA and then upload their silly photos and videos to their social media for attention and validation.

[@jorgeandrade783]

@@TheAlphaDingo You’re making a lot and I mean a lot of assumptions Everton fans are some of the passionate in the country, always sell out the away ends, always turn up, and were the reason Everton stayed in the Premier League last season, it wasn’t Lampard’s tactics. You’re making assumptions about empty seats there’s no evidence to suggest that is the case. I have absolutely no problem imagining Everton selling out Goodison next season whether we’re playing Liverpool or Bristol City. Yes Everton fans left at 60 minutes however that’s because of all the effort they went before the game to have a coach greeting before the game turn up in huge numbers to see players that obviously didn’t care and let their hands down. Under the Mike Ashley era there were loads of reported empty seats. I’ve seen plenty of articles suggesting Newcastle had plenty of empty seats during Mike Ashley’s tenure and St James wasn’t always selling out so you’re being massively hypocritical here. Everton fans love their club through thick and thin, and also mentioning Newcastle being football mad. Liverpool is also a football mad city so don’t know the relevance of your point there Also www.themag.co.uk/2021/08/mike-ashley-suppressing-the-reveal-of-just-how-many-empty-seats-against-southampton-newcastle-united/ www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/newcastle-united-fans-boycott-appeared-9076811.amp www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7381459/amp/Newcastle-United-news-Newcastle-United-set-LOWEST-crowd-Mike-Ashley-era.html The hypocrisy of your statements here is crazy talking about empty seats when so much evidence suggests the number of empty seats at St James when Ashley was there

[@ethanc6488]

98% of Everton season ticket holders just renewed for next season with 20,000 still on the waiting list, whilst Newcastle were offering free half season tickets a few years ago but sure best fans in the country

[@chapsjohn7435]

Everton sell out every week and still would in the championship

[@jakecarris3451]

The whole big club argument is only ever debated by fans of clubs who havent won anything for years in a desperate and almost insecure attempt to convince others of how relevant their team is by what measures do you dictate who is a big club by? What are the factors necessary, its completely subjective anyone who bases history will say everton anyone who debates relevance to now and fan base will say newcastle its a completly flawed arguement no matter what measure you go by,

[@Kristian-wj9up]

That’s all it is. An arsenal fan, West Brom fan and a Tottenham fan trying to give it the biggun about success.

[@CharlieFurness]

Was very fast to see this one

[@ozgecko4050]

Before I got into the sport I knew about man utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Newcastle and Leeds. Most of the followers to the game come outside England. I agree with the premise technically but there are some very into England takes when the fanbase are world wide now.

[@dsalb2146]

u knew about leeds but not arsenal sure

[@gabsskater]

Theo is CAFFEINATED this episode

[@jakobsroom_]

In all fairness, think we have the bigger fanbase but they're mainly based in the North East region; as a Toon fan living in the South East I rarely see other fans. Rarely see Everton fans either mind, and never met a Villa fan apart from one bloke visiting from Brum. That being said, Everton and Villa have more trophies and arguably a bigger history. We hold records but they're mainly from the 90s and mainly from one man, Shearer. That being said, I think that'll change in the next few years, and we'll definitely cement ourself as a Top 6 club and prove ourselves more, not just relying on our class fanbase

[@P4PERFOLDER]

"arguably"? There's no argument lad.

[@guneytopal1713]

Everton and Villa are clear of Newcastle both in recent and historic success. No argument exists in that topic. A few lousy player records and a runners up medal from the 90s mean fuck all. Both Everton and Villa also have a bigger global and domestic following which can easily be seen on social media followings. As a Londoner who has also lived in Portsmouth and Manchester in the past I’ve seen Everton, Villa and Newcastle fans outside of the north east but one thing is clear, Newcastle fans from other cities are just Toon’s who have moved cities for work/family/etc whereas I’ve seen some Londoners who have decided to support Villa or Everton. There is no debate mate, both are clear and the Saudi takeover is the only thing that can change that reality but even then it will take time.

[@Zeussy475]

@Guney Topal Everton maybe but villa having a bigger international fanbase 😄 🤣

[@Michaelchiuff]

Everton may be going down but the club can fill up Goodison and there are more than 17000 fans on waiting list. The new stadium’s capacity is 52888 and it will be a full house.

[@Zeussy475]

@alan W and Newcastle had one of the highest attendances while in championship too. All 3 clubs bigger than chelsea

[@simonwilliams567]

Being a 'big club' should be measured over a long time, after all English football and being English in general is nothing without a bit of history, as the country that give the world the beautiful game we diminish it if we don't consider this. Everton 120 out of 124 seasons in the top flight (rank 1 - 97%), with Newcastle at 91 out of 124 (rank 7 - 73%). Consecutive seasons in the top flight Everton 69 (rank 2) and Newcastle 6 (rank 13). Everton all time record 6825 points (rank 3), Newcastle 5054 (rank 9). Titles Everton 9 (rank 4), Newcastle 4 (rank 9/10), FA Cup Newcastle with 6 in 7-9 place and Everton with 5 in 10-12 place, fan base Everton rank 8 and newcastle rank 9. On the fan base rank they are a lot of subjective views there but Everton in 7-10 place and Newcastle 7-12 place, they both seem to average out at 8-9th place and seem to be about the same. Newcastle fans are delusional if they think they are top 5 in this area, they just aren't. Amazing local support, but it is primarily a passionate and large local fanbase and not Worldwide, Continental or even National. Aggregated rank - Everton - 5th; Newcastle 8th. You can make an argument for Newcastle to rank 7-10th and Everton from 5th to 8th, both top 10 English football clubs, but not exactly Liverpool, Man Utd or Arsenal. 20 years time maybe Newcastle are a couple of places higher and Everton a couple of places lower is a possibility, though i don't see any premier league titles in Newcastle's future, they'll do well to sustain it in the top 4-6 consistently., which they have never done for more than 3 consecutive seasons.

[@Tjisawesome04]

More than of half newcastles starting line up were there during mike Ashley

[@garylouk8776]

Newcastle have more fans but Villa have more trophies, stupid argument anyway

[@phoebe4595]

Wheres the idea that Newcastle have more fans come from?

[@alexshaw4182]

I love the way Newcastle fans make up a new parameter to describe a big club.. must have a legend.. whatever that means.

[@dw9652]

Lewis' opinions are often shocking but I think what he meant by this was more people around the world would know Newcastle because of Alan Shearer compared to anyone at Everton or Villa Seeing Newcastle shirts abroad is really common, loads of people worldwide support Newcastle because of their heydays where they were challenging for the prem and in the champions League in the 90s But yeah, I'd say Newcastle and Everton are pretty equally sized clubs on a whole

[@andrewkgsmith]

​@@dw9652if you go on scouse forums, they bump into other scousers everywhere they go. You notice Newcastle more because its what you're familiar with and tuned into spotting. Newcastle have less than half as many titles as Everton, they aren't similarly sized.

[@alexshaw4182]

@@dw9652 Saying 'I personally' see a lot of Newcastle fans doesn't really count as evidence of anything tbf.. you know that.

[@MontMich]

They should legitimately do a full top 20 biggest clubs ranking

[@imascrew6218]

What r the odds of them not being bias?

[@MontMich]

@@imascrew6218 -100% chance which is why it would be hilarious

[@willmillar2930]

I’d just like to state, as a Cornishman, I do know Newcastle :)

[@lukemckean6155]

I went and watched the Newcastle v Villa game at a pub in Melbourne a few weeks ago. There were probably 30-50 Toon fans there and I saw 2 Villa fans. Argument over

[@ohshit9708]

Trash argument.

[@BossManPete89]

Newcastle, Everton and Villa are all minnows in football if you measure by success, especially recent success. Newcastle and Villa both on a decent path to change that going forward.

[@jacqueswebster6463]

Villa aren’t nearly on the path for actual success in terms of trophies even with Emery. Brighton far more chance if they keep hold of everyone

[@BossManPete89]

I think Villa have good squad, good manager and owners willing to invest. I’d like to see Newcastle, Villa and Brighton all make top 6. Would be great.

[@alexjohnson4788]

Exactly. None of the clubs mentioned haven’t won anything for 25 years so I don’t see the fact of this pointless debate. It’s just literally used for fucking clicks

[@BossManPete89]

@@Ben-gd4db Everton are 8th and Newcastle are 9th, I just mean in recent times they’ve not won anything. Daft argument for them to have, all 3 clubs similar in fanbase size and 7th 8th and 9th in all time honours.

[@osamasaadat123]

​@@Ben-gd4db Aston Villa are 5th successful club in England actually

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

“You ain’t won a trophy since 1969, and that’s coming from a Tottenham fan” 😂

[@jamesleacy8534]

agree with Tom apart from the Bobby Robson point - Robson is a Geordie legend

[@PatrickStarfishman]

I'm a Newcastle fan, and I do think we are 2 clubs of a similar size, but by whatever measures you may want to use, it's clear that Everton are a bigger club than us. (Though not by much) because their success is far more recent and their longevity in the league. That said, if they go down and we win the league within the next few years that will reverse.

[@chadchadderton]

why do newcaslte fans think they're a lock to win the league in the next few years? historically no matter how good their team is, they still aren't made to win major honours... it's not in the clubs DNA. and that's not even mentioning how they'll struggle to attract players/build a side like city, arsenal, liverpool and united do.

[@PatrickStarfishman]

@chad key word..."if"

[@PatrickStarfishman]

@@chadchadderton also, sorry, I was still half asleep when I replied earlier. I didn't quite pick up on just how monumentally stupid your comment was.

[@cuck1ngfunt]

Nah, Everton are miles ahead of you if you look at trophies and all time league position. They’re comparable to Villa, Spurs and Chelsea, Newcastle are more like well, Sunderland level.

[@PatrickStarfishman]

@Cucking Funt according to the overall league table measure, everton are bigger than Man U. Fair play!

[@benleadbetter03]

Last time I checked 11 was bigger than 8 so how do Sunderland have more trophies

[@mrrockandrollfella]

Must be counting the prestigious Papa John's Trophy and other such shite.

[@jmmypaddy]

League titles

[@andytoon11]

​@@jmmypaddy they have 2 more league titles than us fair enough but back before the fa cup became an after thought for top 6 supporters. A lot of fans believed winning the family cup was just as important as winning the league and we've won 6 compared to sunderland's 2. I agree nowadays the fa cup isn't as important as the league but I'm talking about 50/60 years ago. Plus we've won a European trophy technically 2 but Sunderland haven't.

[@mikelitorous5570]

@@andytoon11 the intertoto cup hahahahhaa. In that case we won the Amsterdam Cup in 2009. That’s if we’re counting unrecognised major trophies

[@andytoon11]

@@mikelitorous5570 intertoto cup is recognised still ny uefa.

[@RickettsLFC]

Tom saying rooney is an Everton legend is shit ball knowledge, he played barely any games and left them when he was 17/18. Went back when he was finished. He also said sir bobby robson isn’t a Newcastle legend? Poor from garret the carrot

[@flysi01]

The rewriting of history from Newcastle fans regarding Bobby Robson is incredible...they hounded him out of the club for daring to drop Shearer. And Villa are a much bigger club than Newcastle and it's not even a debate. Whilst we're on this topic, it's also unquestionably the case that Villa are a bigger club than Spurs as well

[@dmaccers656]

Good points made either side there tbf but Everton much the bigger team, Tom still shouldn’t have got the list out just to say he doesn’t even agree with it 😂

[@davidbarker9068]

Can't believe anything that comes out a Spurs fans mouth

[@coltonconner782]

I know ! We sold them are best players ( Newcastle)and they still couldn’t win the league spurs are a joke

[@nevetslisa]

As a South African, who has traveled a little, I am more likely to find Manchester United, Liverpool, arsenal, Chelsea, spurs and Everton merchandise, fans. I never heard of Newcastle except when a person from there moved to SA. Fans for Newcastle may be big, but only in Newcastle. The brand is just not really there in a world wide audience. I suggest if you want to argue, go to the sports retailers in other countries and see IF there is something with Newcastle. Probably not. But others... definitely

[@denty95298]

Saying bobby robson isnt a newcastle legend is a disgrace

[@jabieday3827]

Reasons Newcastle are at the very least very similar size - Been in Champions League more recently than both - Played in Europe throughout 90s and early 2000s - Being only big in Newcastle is just wrong, huge support across the North East, including in a completely separate County, Durham, then fan groups across the world, always foreign fans visiting St James’ - whilst trophies are less, we still have 4 leagues, 6 fa cups and 1 European trophy, never dropped below 2nd tier - Bigger, better stadium than both - Bigger average attendances overall than both - Number of iconic players and managers who are known around the world, Shearer being the perfect example - Saudis clearly saw us as club with most potential due to its size

[@tpjp4100]

1. Everton were the last team of the 3 in the champions league. 2. Just playing in europe consistently doesn’t make you bigger if you win nothing. 3. Who else are people from Durham gonna support, it’s not even that far from newcastle. 4. Those trophies were from before my dad was even born. 5. Bigger average attendances is gonna happen when your club has a bigger stadium, but also when the city on has 1 club. There are 3 teams on Merseyside, and 3 teams in Birmingham alone without even mentioning the rest of the black country. 5. Just Alan Shearer alone doesn’t mean you have more iconic players than the other 2 clubs, and it is just Shearer alone because I bet you can’t name anymore. Players like Graeme Sharp and Peter Reid were part of possibly one of the best sides in europe in the 80s for Everton, just the circumstances of English teams being banned from Europe for 5 years altered their chance of being able to win a European cup. Villa have players like Yorke, Andy Gray and Paul McGrath. 6. The Saudi’s don’t give a shit about a clubs size. Newcastle just had the right people sorting out the deal. Saudi money can make any team successful, Man City are the perfect example.

[@Linkloz]

1. Everton didn’t even qualify past the champions league qualifier 2. I believe consistently qualifying for Europe shows you’ve been more successful in league positions 3. I believe you’ll find durham is closer to both sunderland and boro 4. Everton’s trophy’s are before I was born so don’t see what your point is there 5. Compare the populations of those cities and divide by the teams, can’t even do math… 6. LMAO Ferdinand, Robert, Cole, Speed, KEEGAN, Ginola even Ben arfa had as much skill as needed but was pardrewd 7. Hmmm maybe they had a look and thought, we’ll they’ve been run like a terrible outlet store so will have plenty of ffp to play with and we might be able to get into the top half after one season of decent investment… oh wait look at that they are third in the league

[@tpjp4100]

@@Linkloz Keegan is a Liverpool legend not Newcastle 🤣

[@Linkloz]

@@tpjp4100 he played for both but only managed one, twice btw when he said it was the only club he would ever come back for because we were special for him so I wonder which he would say he’s a legend too?

[@tpjp4100]

@@Linkloz yeah i know he played for both. But he was a massive legend at Liverpool down to his performances and huge trophies he won, and he was then a huge legend for Hamburg winning them a title and collected 2 ballon d’ors. What did he do at Newcastle? Nyaaaash

[@owea04]

Man said sunderland sold out in league 1 hahaha

[@subterrainmusic4002]

They closed part of the stadium because they couldnt generate the ticket sales to keep it running... please have someone there to fact check this stuff.

[@rogoth01themasterwizard11]

@@subterrainmusic4002 if they did that then it would show just how retarded these clowns actually are, and they wouldn't have anything to put out because it would always be wrong, they live in their own little bubbles with little to no exposure outside of that constantly saying things that are objectively wrong, and not even that but downright disrespectful alongside that.

[@C4m4r0]

People really don't understand how big Newcastle is as a club. So many youtubers obviously didn't understand or watch football before 2005.

[@xeomak7807]

I haven't seen Theo for years. You've bulked up. Well done

[@soneshlal]

COMMON LEWIS L 😂😂

[@dangrifdhsbxjs8424]

Santiago Munez is bigger than his club. Also fun fact: Everton were the first club in English football history to accumulate 90 points in a single football season (1984-84 First Division), winning the league title 13 points clear of second place Liverpool, who by that season had won 7 titles in 10 years and were defending champions under Bob Paisley, the most successful English football manager of all time.

[@liamthompson417]

Wow, where do you keep the 90 points trophy?

[@dangrifdhsbxjs8424]

@@liamthompson417 not an Everton fan but I’d presume they keep it in their trophy cabinet considering they won the league that season pal.

[@thomasbennett8476]

@@liamthompson417 where do you keep your 68 years without a trophy, trophy? Thats one hell of an achievement btw, great by the toon x

[@liamthompson417]

@@thomasbennett8476 where was I floating about a trophy? Get a grip of yersel man, enjoy getting relegated

[@Goatlinton]

sunderland and newcastles have more titles than tottenham and the spurs fan is using that as his argument 😂 what a melt

[@bartvandeperck90]

Everton: - 15 throphies - average attendance 39.000 - average PL table position: 10th - 11th - top flight seasons: 31 Newcastle: -11 throphies - average attendance 52.000 - average PL table position: 9th - 10th - top flight seasons: 28 Pretty hard call. I think Everton have a slighty brighter history but Newcastle's future will erase that difference pretty quickly. Everton's battling relegation, Newcastle's playing CL.

[@WaniZame]

Nah mate those trophies aren’t all weighed evenly you are being disingenuous. 9 of Everton’s are top league titles to Newcastles 4 and they are spread out over 100 years. Newcastles all came back at the turn of the century.

[@DavidEEriksen]

Yes lads. My daily dose of brain damage, cheers!

[@Dom-zl7ms]

This thing about Newcastle fans being so loyal is a joke, they’ve only just started selling out both tiers at goodison park, could barely fill the bottom tier a few years ago, Villa and Everton is a debate Newcastle not even close

[@Kristian-wj9up]

Yeah that’s a complete lie, enjoy the championship though. Let’s hope you don’t chase the owners and players and block them in with cars and threaten to kill your manager because he was once a rival manager and force boyhood Everton fans out the club you utter scum.

[@frozencombat]

"And that's coming from a Tottenham fan" absolutely killed me xD

[@Kopite96]

You don't need a lot of money to win or compete. It helps but we've seen time and time again money with no good recruitment gets you nowhere. Liverpool is a perfect example of it. Net spend is nowhere near top 4 but were the only team competing with City for 3-4 years and winning trophies as well. People like to banter us for it but they don't realise how hard it was without the cash.

[@chapsjohn7435]

I would rank them 1. Villa 2. Everton 3. Newcastle Villa slightly ahead of everton because of European cup, both relatively the same in terms of success and well ahead of Newcastle

[@JohnDoe-yg2eu]

1. villa . 2. everton . 3. newcastle 4. leeds . 5. forest

[@k.a.n.e8636]

I love how as soon as Newcastle get a Takeover everyone is saying Newcastle are a small club and making shitty comparisons to clubs who in the meantime are a long while off of Newcastle , pre takeover the geordies we’re adored and praised as a big club for having a worldwide fan base 😂pure jealousy

[@matthewaxe6647]

Bang on. I always think Newcastle's record Championship average attendance is something to be proud of. You can say its due to their capacity but a lot of clubs would struggle to pull 52,000 in the championship regardless.

[@k.a.n.e8636]

@@matthewaxe6647 Man City can’t even string a couple of fans together to go to the games and apparently there a massive club , I personally don’t believe success makes you a big club

[@thethomaspatersonexperienc4746]

‘You spent £70 on Isak’ *after* the streak Lewis is talking about

[@jccccccyhjd]

Lewis’s reasoning for Bobby Robson being a legend for Newcastle is no different to what Benitez or Howe has done

[@Hoggyyy]

Newcastle are massive 🤫🤫

[@nautile2]

Not bigger than Everton mate.

[@GurinderJohal]

This spurs fan talking bout trophies and saying Newcastle won’t replace Spurs, I’m pretty sure that’s what City did. City established themselves in the “Big 6” pretty quickly

[@shaun2463]

City didn't replace anyone. The Big 6 was made from the traditional top 4 + City & Spurs, because City & Spurs started to break into the top 4 as well. If anything, it would just become the Big 7 if Newcastle can be consistent.

[@emilsauteres2]

Newcastle fans always thinks they are bigger than they are because in that city everyone supports Newcastle. west ham , Everton,villa,leeds are bigger in terms of fans and history

[@owenthompson5214]

West Bam have won like 1/2 FA Cups so no way. Leeds weren’t in the premier league for 16 years, have a smaller stadium and less trophies, infact less league titles than sheffield wednesday or wolves. Villa and Everton you’re right

[@ThePeoplesPundit01]

As a Brentford fan , I’d take : Pickford(if raya goes) Onana Demarai Gray Ben Godfrey And maybe a coady

[@theboiii8775]

I’m a Newcastle fan, Villa and Everton are arguably on a similar level to us I think. Yes we haven’t won fuck all in 60 years but realistically I think most level headed fans would say there’s not a lot in it at the minute. However with our new owners and the direction we’re heading, we’ll have plenty of trophies/titles eventually to propel us much higher in the rankings.

[@phoebe4595]

I think Newcastle fans are the only ones who think they’re level with everton and villa. Everyone else knowns newcastle dont come close.

[@theboiii8775]

@@phoebe4595 That’s why I said arguably, it comes down to opinion. People bang on like Villa and Everton are streets head of us, we’re the 9th most successful club in England and folk bang on like we’re 20th. Regardless we’ll eventually eclipse the likes of villa and Everton in the next decade.

[@Oskle616]

icl mate Newcastle aren't bigger than Everton and villa. there just isn't a leg to stand on for the argument to suggest Newcastle are bigger or even level.

[@theboiii8775]

@@Oskle616 I have no issue with that at all, I just don’t agree with the fact villa or Everton are miles ahead of us, people make it out like it’s Man Utd being compared to Blackburn. Like I said before anyway, our time will come and I’m sure in time we’ll be right up there.

[@Oskle616]

@@theboiii8775 I’m not saying miles ahead but i am saying I don’t think there’s a good argument to say Newcastle are bigger. But you’re right Newcastle have got their time ahead of them

[@aledjames7253]

Villa and Everton are historically up there with the top 6, Newcastle don’t come anywhere close

[@Reina5342]

We come 7th in the overall top flight tables list despite the past 15 years of relegation battles. Before that we were 5th. We've not won anything for awhile, but we were always there. Like Spurs in recent history. (Sunderland come 9th.)

[@aledjames7253]

@@Reina5342 regardless of that fact you can’t put the decorated company they are in with you when you’ve barely got anything to show for that time

[@Reina5342]

@@aledjames7253 Competing at the top for most of your existence Imo is something that shows what a big club is. You can't be a bigger club and be 100th in that list can you. Everton and Villa are there as well. But saying Newcastle don't come close is just not true and a bit disingenuous.

[@aledjames7253]

@@Reina5342 they are by far less decorated than who you’re trying to compete with so yes, they aren’t close regardless how long they’ve been up there

[@Reina5342]

@@aledjames7253 We've all been up there for the same amount of time. Newcastle came 2nd so many times. Spurs are part of the big 6. Are they apart of it because they win things or because they compete? The answer is simple. If Mike Ashley never took over and Newcastle were doing what they were before him this entire time there would never have been a big 6 but a big 7. From the same stand point you're trying to make Spurs don't belong either as they've won nothing compared to Everton or Villa and neither have Man City. For overall trophies it pretty much goes. Liverpool/Man U > Arsenal Villa/Everton > Everyone else.

[@Craignufc87]

Being 'big' and having a great history doesn't mean Jack, being big wont keep them in the league.. great history, bleak future

[@J1_A1]

It’s ridiculous that this is even a question, check the trophy cabinets, check the time without winning a trophy, check premier league status over the years. Everton are unrivalled. Bigger fan base also and that’s even with sharing a city with Liverpool, Newcastle are a one city club and still have less fans.

[@Nightsu]

city need 100+ years of history before theyre bigger than united. united won the treble the year after city went down to the third tier of english football.

[@thedunyadoneya2628]

And city relegated united, with a goal from former united player 😂😂😂

[@TheJWRB]

'you have heritage in your club'... so HISTORY. i swear newcastle fans ever since they got taken over by Saudi Arabian (edited from Qatar) ownership are unfuckingbelieveable. Forest are bigger, everton are and villa are. not winning a trophy since 1969 is insane.

[@disownedfrog8236]

*Saudi Arabian

[@Jayy2105]

Not won a trophy since 1969 yet still won more than nottingham forest😂

[@TonyTynebridge]

WERE OWNED BY SAUDI ARABIA NOT QATAR 😂

[@TheJWRB]

@@Jayy2105 the quality matters

[@TheJWRB]

@@TonyTynebridge essentially the same bullshit, all of it is blood money.

[@jonbon6843]

Did Lewis really just say Al Nassr have more followers on social media than Man United 🥴

[@joshg2603]

Let’s settle this debate, both are tinpot clubs with fans who think they’re great.