HEATED Debate on UK Grooming Gangs

[@whyyy1914]

As an actual sex trafficking survivor, it is just so incredibly obvious to me that Loner Box knows infinitely more about the topic than the other guys, especially around the 37:00 mark where he describes how these offenders give drugs and alcohol to their victims to entice them and bring them in. that's what happened to me -- I was addicted to drugs, and I met a drug dealer who would exchange drugs for sexual favors, at first... that's how it started anyways. i won't trauma dump the whole thing here unless someone really wants to hear. but yeah, some strong opinions here from privileged guys who've neither done the research nor lived a day in their lives

[@polly9875]

I'm sorry that happened to you.

[@SASMADBRUV7]

I'm really sorry that you had to endure that. What do you think you needed back then to not put you in such a vulnerable situation. Like was there anything anyone around you could have done to stop you from getting addicted to drugs in the first place. I'm asking because that means that rest of us can intervene when we see the signs

[@ontheright2482]

Right. But the point was "it cant be Islamic because they use alcoholic and drugs which is not Islamic". This is stupid in my opinion, because its a test like in squid games. If you accept the drugs then you are not a muslim and if you are not a muslim you can be targeted. I dont care if white drug dealers do the same thing. That is not relevant to the poont that was brought up. I am sorry for your past.

[@cres2687]

Can't wait for 3 americans to tell me all about the uk

[@TheJiminatorHS]

hey, 2 Americans 1 canadian 1 scot.

[@Kolsev]

Can't wait for Loner to stop covering US elections then.

[@patchesohullihan]

Yeah I didn't know our federal government messed up.

[@GuyShōtō]

Kinda like how every European seems to be an expert on American politics...despite never living there...

[@latlatko]

@@GuyShōtō cause they keep shoving it down our throats.

[@augustb.w.4778]

14:30 the idea that police officers would go to ask a hijabi, and then some imam comes up to the police officer and say “Well you probably dont know but we dont allow men and women to talk alone” and the police officer goes “oh ups i didnt know thanks for informing me of our cultural differences, I won’t talk to this person who I think has important information regarding my case uwu” is so disconnected from reality I can’t believe he actually thinks this

[@MTx485]

That would be absurd, right? Look into how the police have to go through local religious leaders because of that very issue 😂😂

[@kloakheesten]

​@MTx485 Never were forced to go through imams. It was the polices choice to not listen to the women who were reaching out to them, and instead Going to a religious leader

[@gascogne]

It’s so funny how progressive policies have created situations so absurd that the average progressive can’t believe the situations are even true. Always makes me laugh

[@jrton1366]

It is hilarious that you think a real situation that actually happened is so absurd it’s difficult to believe. We agree with you it’s absurd. You genuinely have no idea how to relate to this if you’re not from the UK.

[@augustb.w.4778]

Feel free to link anything that goes against what I just said

[@Ethanity20]

Finally loner can tell me how to feel about this

[@davidkirk3173]

😂

[@MisterS.]

The Lonerbox community... 🥁 approves the situation with the grooming gangs in UK 👍😃

[@BonShula]

Stolen DGG meme

[@lakabaka]

And hes wrong

[@micraan1579]

It's a bit bewildering to see how the guy is seemingly only interested in being angry. At multiple points in this conversation he has said things to the effect of "Why are you trying to accurately portray the facts of this case? Shouldn't you just be angry? I know I would!"

[@Itisoverthere-rw]

Lonerbox is only interested in deflecting from the scandal. Which tells a lot about his priorities and morality.

[@havilend3450]

@@Itisoverthere-rw It's because he despises the people who are championing it. Typical but unfortunate reaction.

[@willsteven700]

It’s the nature of the conservative to get angry over facts.

[@dariobc8398]

@@Itisoverthere-rw I think that's a pretty uncharitable characterisation. He said during this that his position is that what happened was horrible and involved many systemic failures of state and policing and even went through listing them. What he was arguing against was using this one specific case to try and make an argument that this grooming gang reflects on the wider muslim community in the UK - statistics show that the muslim community in the UK commits these offences at the same or slightly lower rate than white british people. That is not deflecting from the scandal - it is rebutting people trying to twist facts to reinforce a narrative.

[@havilend3450]

@@dariobc8398 The statistics show nothing because the specific group and specific type of offence isn't tracked is more of what LB actually ended up saying. The fact that Asians commit this broad category of crime at a lower or equal rate to whites doesn't matter when. 1. Were talking about a specific type of crime ie Gang & Grooming. 2. Were specifically talking about Pakistani men not Asians as a whole.

[@TheFinalBoss89]

Got half way through. Can't handle Connor's performative anger. It's insufferable. Could have been an interesting one.

[@kingrainbow5432]

Don't you know he was a detective for thirty years???

[@Ireallyneedintensivetherapy]

He's projecting cause cons are all creeps 😅

[@kamijk]

@@kingrainbow5432that tracks (pejorative)

[@marshalkagami]

@@kingrainbow5432you mean a mall cop?

[@kingrainbow5432]

@@marshalkagami no he was a CIA agent

[@ladyvanda]

I’m so glad Whick invited experts in UK grooming gangs to debate this important topic: Counterpoints and Short Fat Otaku. 👉🤪

[@randomedits4172]

Counterpoints always feels the need to grandstand about his power fantasies its pathetic and cringe and i still really like the guy. But feeling the need to express your punisher fantasy everytime you discuss things that everyone agreees with its like he needs to be the most morally outraged out of everyone

[@Epic7797]

He's a freak. Fantasising about becoming the doom slayer after his daughter has xyz done to her by some stereotypical Muslim gang, or going full punisher on his imaginary rapist neighbour. Dudes watched too many movies. If this is the average US cop no wonder they have the issues they do.

[@ee-ef8qr]

He's a ex Marine some tend to do that.

[@franzpoekler]

He's a mall cop who lied about it because he was ashamed. Never forget that.

[@Alexandre-Marius-Jacob]

I know at least of one British muslim from Pakistani origins who recognizes herself in british secular and liberal values, her name is Lubna, she has a channel called Candid with Lubna, she's been calling out the intolerance and the bigotry within the pakistani community in the UK for months, facing keyboard takfiri and their subtle death threats, it would be nice to have her on and show support.

[@chinchillatwitch7234]

When I lived in the UK, Windsor, you had allot of pakistani's coming to the hotel I worked, from the working class. One was my friend who wanted to take me to stripclubs all the time. I refused on that front lol. While I think on average they where more conservative, they never advocated for sharialaw, they always liked the UK for civil liberties, like a secular state.

[@jrton1366]

@@chinchillatwitch723454% of Muslims support making homosexuality illegal in the UK as of 2016. Given we have had migration of an average of half a million a year from Muslim countries since then I imagine that number has gone up. Your anecdote doesn’t tie up with reality.

[@Ireallyneedintensivetherapy]

This is whick, dude only platforms fascists to play devil's advocate. Loner might tho

[@Mogorman87]

@@jrton136657 percent of American Christians are against gay marriage. We can all play with numbers pal.

[@FarleyHavelock_III]

​@@chinchillatwitch7234As a Muslim living in the UK most of us don't advocate for Shariah law. Most 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims in the UK are culturally and ideologically far more similar to white Brits than they are to the people back in their home countries

[@SirWorthington]

The only argument conner made was to imply a few times that child rape can be ranked and that the Muslim one is the worst, spent the rest of the conversation virtue signalling

[@namenloss730]

That is absolutely not what he did though.

[@augustb.w.4778]

@@namenloss730 he literally says it’s worse when it’s non whites because they are guests in the country even if they have been here for a 100 years at 29:00

[@Chopstewie]

@@namenloss730 talking about how you want to rack up some vigilante kills is virture signaling.

[@Ireallyneedintensivetherapy]

Oh yes he just wants ethnic cleansing. It's a fundamental aspect of fascism, I believe it's the 4th point of Umberto Eco. Connor really loves the 14th tho

[@marshalkagami]

@@namenloss730 he said verbatim, that immigrants committing sex crimes are worse than sex crimes committed by the native population.

[@jordanwood3150]

"Commonwealth system" why did bro feel the need to come and talk about something he clearly has absolutely no clue about? It's ok to just say you don't know.

[@Caminacels]

"Statistically or per capita?", he asks. And then he hasn't even read the basic facts. Basically, Connor read a bunch of Elon tweets, chose a side and now is just winging it. Why even invite people like that?

[@jrton1366]

Because lonerbox wants to look good debating Americans on a topic they know nothing about.

[@bazooka712]

​@@jrton1366 it's not loner that organizes this debates

[@Vind1ctus]

yeah holy shit, right out the gate it's "here's my strong position on this topic" "lets agree on the facts" "I haven't read anything about this topic"

[@Caminacels]

@@jrton1366 This one's on Whick, imho.

[@hallahallaful]

@@Caminacels we don't know the facts since the government and police has ignored and covered up the muslim groming gangs, that group is obviously undercounted in the statistics. The uk government and police has already admitted this in different hearings.

[@Winshallah]

I know that the nature of online content creation dictates it to a degree, yet i'll never understand how someone without even a basic understanding of the specifics of a case/cases will jump on a panel and talk witb such conviction about it. Then, the dude spent ages larping as a Muslim pedo vigilante yet, when given the example of "Jimmy Savo" aka one of the most high profile, institutionalised cases on CSA of the last few decades (which did actually get significant global media coverage) going all the way up to THATCHER AND THE ROYAL FAMILY, the geezer gives it the "not great". If you don't know shit, don't say shit.

[@richardhands904]

As well as prince (formerly known as) andrew

[@trailersfromhell2539]

How many people are jimmy saville, and how many people are the G gangs in pure numbers, and then adjusted per capita?

[@mrcomics4930]

So funny he swept it under the rug like he claimed lonerbox did with muslim grooming gangs, Jimmy Saville is the most prolific pedophile is british history because everyone around him knew and no one did anything

[@justjoshua5759]

@@trailersfromhell2539this is an awkward question since I’m not sure if you’re asking or making an ethnic/cultural divide or comparison to individuals being as bad as one man. If it’s the former they would be equal as lonerbox pointed out. And if it’s the latter then we don’t know nor could except comparing him with other individuals which very likely wouldn’t work anywhere due to influence saville had.

[@richardhands904]

@@trailersfromhell2539 ARE YOU A BOT

[@Rassalcon]

At 3:00 Counterpoints says something that was front page news in the UK for ages was sweped under the rug. Presumably because he didn't hear about it at the time. Maybe I should be getting mad about American media instead of him, but my lord man, if you don't know what you are talking about why are you here? I should have just waited for him to finish, I don't feel bad about getting annoyed anymore.

[@Winshallah]

Triggered me immediately. It should genuinely take a moment of thought before saying it to realise how dumb a point it is. And yet.

[@havilend3450]

You are either are not familiar with this subject or are deliberately misunderstanding the context. No one is saying the media is sweeping this under the rug they broke the story in the first place and are the only reason we know about it because the local government and police are the ones who were sweeping this issue under the rug.

[@RanEncounter]

​​​@@havilend3450 You should listen to what Counterpoints actually says and not try to polish his argument to something that he did not make.

[@killzone866]

Connor doesnt actually care about anything. Hes have baked on everything. I have never seen him actually be knowledgeable on any topic\.

[@havilend3450]

@@RanEncounter That's fair the way he said it sounds like he's saying the media swept it. Though literally no one informed makes that argument. Are you actually disagreeing with the point they do make about the local gov and police or are you just concerned with scoring debate points on CounterPoints and don't care about this topic?

[@sherryanne2287]

Yeah okay Conner, we all agree and hate rape and pedophilia. Wood chipper, life in prison, vigilante murder, blah blah blah, we get it. Rape is bad, child rape is bad. You don't need to constantly virtue signal. If you took the "put them in the wood chipper" reeing from Connor out, the panel would be five minutes long.

[@ladyvanda]

1:34:58 Conor has to stop with his Commonwealth population shit when speaking of the UK. I have a feeling he doesn’t know he’s referring to 56 countries, e.g.: Bangladesh, Kenya, Canada, Singapore, Jamaica, Fiji, India. The UK is a tiny fraction of the Commonwealth population (which, incidentally, includes Pakistan - the home of the grooming gangs’ ancestors)

[@FArto-lo]

1:26:00 Conor wanting the UK to have its own pledge of allegiance was kinda cringe, ngl

[@mckenzie.latham91]

They do already, and it equally means nothing to identity

[@ProperlyGaming]

Its funny, cause the whole idea of having a pledge of allegiance that kids have to recie in schools and shit, is to instill a love an respect for ones nation. But all my life growing up as an american, everytime i had to stand and put my hand over my heart and recite it, all it did was make me go "this is dumb and cringe and a waste of my and everyone elses time." There was never a bit of love or respect garnered from me. But hey, maybe thats just me.

[@a_little_flame589]

that whole interaction just felt so american

[@FarleyHavelock_III]

​@@ProperlyGamingMost British Kids would laugh at having to do something so ridiculous

[@ddandymann]

@@mckenzie.latham91 Do we? I'm a born and raised Brit and this is the first time I've heard about it in 30 years.

[@lewisfitzsimmons1271]

“We have values and know what means to be American, we even say the pledge of allegiance every morning to make sure” 2 minutes later “yeah, half of the country couldn’t tell who the real Americans were and who were just using the symbols” emm….whit?

[@chrisbartolini1508]

I think you’re trying to highlight a contradiction that doesn’t exist because you reflexively wanna disagree with him.

[@lewisfitzsimmons1271]

@ very possible, but I think there is a very real conflict in citing that one greatly beneficial thing that is missing in the UK compared to the US is the widespread awareness of the countries values and simultaneously granting that half of the people in the US are going against said values without realising it.

[@mckenzie.latham91]

“Our sense of national identity is making kids say the pledge of allegiance every day “Yeh that really worked out didn’t it?”--LB banger response,

[@thenayancat8802]

@@chrisbartolini1508 It is certainly a contradiction to state that things like the pledge of allegiance instill a strong sense of American identity while acknowledging that half the country is unable to identify acts that fundamentally transgress that identity. I think you're trying to pretend the contradiction doesn't exist because it is inconvenient to you

[@chrisbartolini1508]

@@thenayancat8802 just for clarity, you’re agreeing with the guy who used a blatant virtue signal when he asked “is it worse when an immigrant commits a crime?” The debate was over right then and there. The flailing was obvious.

[@kmoney890]

What being a Warhammer 40k fan does to a mf

[@willimmills2139]

it was rough listening to the guy on the top left pretend nobody else but officials in the church covered for and swept under the rug the abuses of the priests, do some research.

[@redfoxtheposer8808]

Hes also saying that a few dozen random guys figuring out the bare minimum strategy for sex trafficking to the system and government of The Vatican

[@D.Records]

Its crazy that this is blowing up now. I grew up in Telford and this was happening to girls that i went to school with over 15 years ago. Also its so cringe hearing americans get ao angry about this when theyre really quite clueless about the whole thing

[@CaptainTowll]

This debate is a bit pointless because its a yank and a Canadian who don't understand anything about the UK trying to be angry about UK issues

[@namenloss730]

it's a yank saying "if this is true it's insane" but trying to get the facts out of lonerbox.

[@doxpin7432]

So then Piers Morgan should just quit

[@Koooles]

@@doxpin7432 one can dream.

[@wombatmats]

Cool. And you'll kindly abstain from any conversation regarding the goings-on in the US? Good deal.

[@Koooles]

@@wombatmats I wish the rest of the world had that luxury as they do with UK.

[@sulljoh1]

1:11:15 "That's a systemic failure!" "What? My autism?"

[@guccidonbuzzflightyear4440]

Not all these girls were orphans. The worst part is when these guys get caught and go to jail they only do about 2-3 years.

[@backwardsbandit8094]

I don't know why the fuck Connor harped on that point for so long as if pedophiles and rapists in the US also don't go to jail for an alarmingly short period of time.

[@FarleyHavelock_III]

That's unfortunately a failing on the punishments given in the UK legal system. It's not just for sexual abuse crimes but all sorts of crimes the UK seems to not give an appropriate punishment for the crime. But that's a much broader legal issue that's not specific to this particular scandal

[@AspiringDevil]

I love that Sargon ran when SFO tried to get him to talk about the thing he claims he cares so deeply about it but then he turns around & says he doesn't care. I like Connor but he immediately ruined his own argument by not paying attention to the details LB was saying. The 90s was an era of anti political correctness so it's hard to see this as that valid that all the cops were worried about being called racist. Twitter cancelations weren't big in the 90s we didn't have the bandwidth for it back then. My other problem with Connors argument isn't that I don't share his concerns but his claim that these same people who cheered on Andrew Tate, covered up other pdfiles from Catholics to politicians actually care about this when rather than implementing the fixes that the investigation they called for recommended, they are demanding 0% immigration deporting 2nd generation legal UK citizens, & yet another inquiry. I'm convinced this is a worse version of Hillary's emails. Doesn't matter what you find people will still demand another investigation The worst part of Connor's argument is he keeps harping on about threatening to burn people when the riots we are talking about were trying to burn Muslims alive who had nothing to do with this. Claiming the riots where justified is just dumb.

[@lurifaks92]

Your message just turns into noise when you use too many acronyms

[@RanEncounter]

​​@@lurifaks92 How is the case here? I can only see three acronyms in the comment. LB as in Lonerbox, SFO as in Short Fat Otaku and UK as in United Kingdom. LB and SFO are participants of this video. UK is largely well known acronym. How are you this lost?

[@Ireallyneedintensivetherapy]

All Conor does is appeal to emotions like a stinky woman 😅

[@majdjinn5042]

...he doesn't even show up on podcasts anymore he's so busy. Why would this be on the top of his free time list?

[@trailersfromhell2539]

Who are the people who cheered on Tate (did you see the collapse of that trial btw?) and covered up PDF files, who also calls for deportation of 2nd gen citizens? Also, the 2022 inquiry was not a G gang inquiry, it was about CSE in general. G gangs was a very small portion of that inquiry.

[@Reveal_City]

Jesus Christ, I get not wanting to have an America-like policing system, but UK cops are just so cucked and Orwellian at the same time, it's truly disgusting!

[@quintonlim4275]

This was a trip. Lonerbox first video was grooming gangs debunk

[@Itisoverthere-rw]

Debunk what?

[@BONK_2000]

I thought the first video was the Ben Shapiro "Imagine" one?

[@quintonlim4275]

@BONK_2000 that or the Nick Fuentes wheel one

[@tomasznowak8186]

The funny thing is that Connor's hypothetical about the Catholic church is exactly how that was treated in Poland Also, when he said "that's what I'd find reasonable" after going on a literal schizo rant was hilarious

[@AspiringDevil]

Yeah I was thinking that the whole time.

[@IsomerSoma]

Are you purposefully trying to misunderstand him? Seems like it.

[@dwil0311]

@@IsomerSoma His point was that when people found out about it, every was saying it was bad. THat is the exact opposite of the reality. Everyone was defending the catholic church during the scandal and saying that it was a big lie.

[@IsomerSoma]

@@dwil0311 No again you are almost trying to misrepresent him. He spoke of himself and his attitude towards it. He didn't deny and even cited the the cover up by the church as a major frustration of his. Also in public the churches image was damaged badly. Everyone was defending it? In Germany at least thats not what was going on. Consequence was to this day a starkly declining membership number and the church being torn into pieces by the media. Institutionally sadly little changed. However everyone jokes about priests being diddlers right? You surely know these jokes. No one defends or tone polices about these jokes. And they are common. Kind of contradicts your entire opinion on this topic.

[@dwil0311]

@@IsomerSoma The issue you are missing is that the cover up wasn't done by the church. Everyone dismissed it and downplayed it. Everyone except a small minority was defending the church and sweeping it under the rug, not even just catholics. It didn't damage the church at all. Even to this day, those kind of jokes will get you heavily scolded and excised from communities. I can only assume you are speaking only from the german perspective, not what happened here in UK.

[@broadway17]

Really sad to see conner has clearly swallowed some of the most rage bait propaganda lines spewed by the right. Guy seems to have really come off the rails

[@chrisbartolini1508]

Prove that it’s propaganda. So far, none of you have, so I won’t hold my breath.

[@billybobthornton9668]

@chrisbartolini1508 What's the definition of propaganda you're using?

[@chrisbartolini1508]

@@billybobthornton9668 the colloquial one. Don’t be a debate bro, it’s a bad look.

[@AspiringDevil]

Well it's also because he is a very emotionally driven when he doesn't have facts

[@alihamdon6644]

@@chrisbartolini1508 if you ignore 200 crimes just to act like you care about one because a brown person did it, you’ve fallen into white nationalist propaganda

[@willsteven700]

Connor comes from the debate school of “be loud, angry, and interrupt to win”

[@thescarp2]

the top left guy just gets triggered and annoyed whenever somebody describes something he doesn't like. it;s fucking hilarious

[@patterofheads256]

Connor is a lolcow, then again so are Bonerbox and SFO.

[@MrJaxon620]

Please explain to me how its worst to be a trafficking victim because of some religious reason rather than just for money? Do you think when a victim is about to put a stinky dirty strange penis in her mouth she gives a fuck if the people who are making her do it are religious? What a dumb racist take. Im pretty sure its all bad to the victims whether theres religious undertones or not. Counterpoints is forever disappointing me😢😢

[@BillMayonaise]

So do you think "hate crime" as a charge just shouldn't exist? Earnest question.

[@backwardsbandit8094]

It would speak to a wider systemic motivation for this behaviour if that were true. I think that's what he's getting at but I could be wrong

[@heinzmonster]

​@@backwardsbandit8094 Profit is probably the widest systemic motivation in the world. It reeks of xenophobia to me tbh

[@outpacedintellectual9824]

Never heard of this Connor bro before, but he makes me embarrassed to be an American. Though, the most recent election suggests that he's more representative than I am. I wonder if I'll live long enough to feel pride in my country again.

[@richardhands904]

He's one of the better conservatives

[@benross9174]

He is an anti trump conservative. Still very conservative though but he is usually good faith

[@outpacedintellectual9824]

I wasn't questioning his conservatism, whatever that means these days. I was just observing that he presents as a moron.

[@marshalkagami]

Can someone tell Connor that if you’re willing to commit sexual violence on someone you already view them as a lesser being. By default you are disregarding that persons well being. You don’t need organized religion for that to take place….

[@axelminus]

I love when people are so busy being morally outraged that they don‘t even acknowledge reality. It’s like they are telling you that listening to them is a waste of time

[@henryburton6529]

45:35 conner disingenuous. Its not "not common" it never happens at all. Its a very serious crime as it can influence trials.

[@coffeemakir1977]

You follow procedure because the person hasn't been convicted, pretty obvious

[@koolkid2869]

But the person hasn't been convicted because the police sidelined the cases due to potential race relations problems. There is clear evidence that the police purposely neglected victims' testimonies because of the backlash that could have come from it.

[@SamNL]

Guy top left repeatedly fails to understand that being horrified by the crimes and wanting harsh punishments, on the one hand, and supporting a justice system that prevents jury interference and court disruptions, on the other, are not mutually exclusive. He also fails to grasp that the response of 'everyone does it' is not intended to diminish the severity of the crimes or the outrage they provoke. Rather, it is a reaction to the harmful, broad-brush conclusions about Muslims that a lot of these right-wing people draw from these events. Also, the guy who said that Starmer confirmed the "Great Reset" really does listen to too much UK right wing pundits. It's been debunked.

[@B-Nice]

Connor’s position that rape is ok if an American does it, but is bad if a brown person does it is wild. 👀 I’m a conservative myself, but even I don’t believe this conservative talking point 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@samg.5165]

Come on, that's obviously not his position. The argument here is that the cultural component makes it a deliberate attack not just on the victim, but on all of society. It's the same reason why hate crimes and terrorism are rightly treated as worse than apolitical crimes. Ironically enough, I'm a liberal and a second-generation immigrant at that. Well, believe me when I say these cases have far-reaching consequences for all of us by fueling racist sentiment and politics. They need to be stopped by any means available within the confines of the law.

[@MTx485]

That’s literally not his argument 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@TheNoodleGod9001]

@@MTx485 Well, the argument isn't "rape is good if done by native but bad if done by brown" but "rape is bad if done by native but somehow worse if done by immigrant". Which I think is stupid, but it's not OP's version.

[@MTx485]

@@TheNoodleGod9001 natives don’t get theirs covered up out of fear of inflaming community tensions do they? Police and politicians _assisted_ in covering up these gangs for that reason. And community tensions have been inflamed regardless so what was the point?

[@TheNoodleGod9001]

​@@MTx485 Police don't do a great job at that stuff whether you're immigrant or native.

[@xeroeddie]

Lonerbox vs Sargon. When?

[@zanyzazza]

Never, sargon really lost his appetite for challenging debate after his last few performances years ago. Funny that.

[@AspiringDevil]

Same time as the fabled Connor vs Sargon which is whenever he regrows a spine

[@heinzmonster]

Sargon quit after he realised that he was so good at spewing shite that he took a lucrative position at Thames water

[@Ireallyneedintensivetherapy]

Conservatives don't really debate people they only argue with the uneducated

[@jce-eu9dz]

feel sorry for lonerbox in his. Three guys who have read some tweets and have not done any research at all in this at all.

[@antoninojohnscoppettuolo9057]

Admire the patience. There is a level of ignorance and capture among your fellow panellists which I could only describe as “American”.

[@mckenzie.latham91]

Ah yes Sargon of akkad calling other people rape Denialists just a reminder folks Carl Benjamin/Sargon was openly friends with and defended and covered for convicted and open admitted pedophile Amos lee as well in a debate with Vaush on if sexual relationships with minors was okay, Sargon said it depends on the minor...

[@majdjinn5042]

...I feel as though either you do not know how time works or you're being disingenuous

[@kloakheesten]

​@@majdjinn5042 Idk If you know how time works, but Amos yee was a pedo long before he got convicted of anything. The reason he was famous is because he was debating that the age of concentration should be 0

[@mckenzie.latham91]

@@majdjinn5042 Not and argument or a rebuttal, but whose surprised...fact is Sargon doesn't actually care about this topic because he has openly defended pedophiles before (Amos openly endorsed and supported CP while a friend of sargon) he just cares when it fits his new “Pure white race” bettina only ideology

[@henryburton6529]

40:00 No Conner. The point is the people making this a story are saying "its Muslims that are the problem" whenits obviously is not.

[@ontheright2482]

This is the point of the new i quiery: to hold individual people to account. This is why 75% of politicians did not want it. The new inquiry was needed due to the failure of the old enquiry to hold anyone in parliament accountable. I think a few police officers were fired.

[@peterwright5311]

Connor's performative ranting about how much he hates child rapists every time he gets exposed as knowing jack shit is disgusting.

[@BestMeme2031]

Mad about 5 years for a sex crime conviction on a child? Man, does this dude even live in the USA?

[@DeafKennedys666]

The whole “gr0ming gangs” thing is horrible regardless of who commits it. I just can’t take British people whining about migrants seriously when a century ago, they literally were in India starving the population by millions of people.

[@kye4216]

Is the per capita information based on number of perpetrators or victims? for example if 1 white guy had 4 victims and 1 Pakistani guy had 1 victim, would the stats show 50/50 or 80% white guys?

[@kloakheesten]

This is a dumb point if you think for more than a second

[@gascogne]

That’s one of the multiple problems with LoserBox’s statistics, and what makes him so dishonest. What happened in these cities was abuse on an industrial scale, with an insane ratio of victims per abuser, but the statistics don’t really reflect this.

[@kye4216]

@@kloakheesten What's dumb about it?

[@kloakheesten]

@@kye4216 Because you don't generalize the crimes of one person onto the rest of that group. If a white person murders 1 person and a black person murders 2 people, would you say black people people have a higher chance to be murderers? No. Trying to make the argument that Pakistanis are over represented in csa cause the perpetrators might have been responsible for more attacks is the dumb part. This is would be an argument of why the police are shite

[@drts6955]

​@@gascogneDo you have a source?

[@ontheright2482]

He never "confronted defendents on the doorstep" when he got arrested. He was livestreaming across the road from the court and then he was arressted before the court case was even finished.

[@wynterac]

STRONGLY recommend loner to make a shorter explanation of the whole situation WITHOUT the three other commentators (whose options are baseless)

[@gregmurphy8059]

holy shit - this guy is so mad about UK sentencing... has he looked at the uS? how about a range of 6 to 27 months for child sexual abuse in the US? what a joke.

[@LoudWaffle]

Why is it acceptable for people with literally no knowledge of the topic to participate in these debates? The conversation starts with Loner checking that they're all on the same page of the basic facts about how represented each ethnicity is in regards to these crimes, and everyone else asks him to share that data because they've never heard or seen it. Connor spends so much time performatively ranting about completely made-up things like the imams systematically covering up the events or whatever he's talking about with parents dousing their children in gasoline and threatening to light them on fire. Or ranting for so long about Tommy Robinson (Which is guilty on this one too) despite having it explained to him exactly what Robinson actually did that got him in trouble; ie. NOT trying to talk to victims of assault to bring the issue to light. Edit: then I started playing the video again and Dev brings up the other long-running fabrication that's pissing me off; that these grooming gang crimes in the Muslim community are uniquely done for ethno-religious antagonism reasons. Why are these guys so eager to just run with any narrative that sounds nice to them, no matter whether it's been debunked already in THIS CONVERSATION, let alone whether there's an actual factual reason to believe it in the first place.

[@Tamaxlia]

There are not 4 kingdoms in the UK, there were 2, Scotland and England, then they both united under the Scottish king. Wales and Ireland were conquered.

[@MTx485]

Keep digging and downplaying. The scandal is only getting worse. Another story of police enablement here broke this morning. One of the victims spoke out about her personal experience. I know your first instinct will be to doubt her credibility so luckily she has receipts

[@Yuh_mama]

Their first instinct is to cry about other people’s outrage.

[@PosthumousAddress]

LonerBox keeps going back to talking about race and immigration and the Pakistani community, when the convo has moved on to more philosophical questions about what it means to be British, it's disappointing to see him not have any answer (or even have noticed, he seems to be concentrating on something else)

[@ghost123147]

yes cause hes not british by blood hes got more love for the paki rape gangs then the british victims litterly just doing whataboutism with white rapist

[@Margarinetaylorgrease]

LonerBox failed to be derailed by by a philosophical question that was not what the debate was about

[@aaronh9653]

Every time Conor gets heated out of nowhere I know he has no business talking about whatever topic he happened to bumble into this time

[@henryburton6529]

47:35 now Conner is just incredulous at the UK's legal system - what is happening here?

[@t0asta]

48:35 Did Connor always just debate with pure histrionics like this? Homeboy talking in Pierce Morgan video titles. 😂

[@darkfeign]

This was front page and centre news... In the UK lol. Why would it be front page in America?

[@henryburton6529]

31:40 "30 seconds ago" or were born in the UK and lived their entire lives in the UK...

[@tejashdasgupta1840]

I like how connor says shit that is blatantly false and then pretends as if its true. He says that no other groups besides muslims does this, when every group in the uk engages in sex trafficking.

[@primeengram1018]

Jesus christ 3 Americans who have probably never been to the uk, talking about uk politics, kill meeeeee

[@buzzlopavich]

1:03:30 this is just untrue. If you read the local reports often times there where asian victims, but they didnt come forward because of shame. The communities themswlves whete often terrified of these people.

[@FacelessDeviant]

Its great to hear people show their ignorance in such a loud manner.

[@lewisfitzsimmons1271]

The way this guy went on about how “the west is so nice”, “we invited you in”, “the west has no moral imperitive to let them in” while ignoring the very real reasons the west is richer than everyone else and the idea that letting these people live and work here is some kind of favour is stupid and disgusting.

[@flost8202]

How is it?

[@BasilAbdef]

@@flost8202 A big part of what makes the "west" rich is precisely because of immigration. On the high end, it scoops up the skilled workers from across the globe without even having to pay for their early childhood/much of the education at fraction of their actual value. On the low end, jobs that the natives have long since given up on doing are staffed almost entirely by immigrants. Without it, the west would be facing the same problems as Eastern Europe, Japan, or Korea: declining birthrates, inverted population pyramids, stagnating or shirnking economies.

[@chrisbartolini1508]

No country has a moral imperative to allow immigration.

[@mamipower23]

The West is richer than everyone because it's the place that invented and kick-started the different industrials revolutions and most of the recent technical progress raising the living standard everywhere in the world.

[@vietnamsemonky4082]

The west owes nothing to anyone, just like everywhere else owes nothing to the west. and its just a fact the west is better than where these people come from, objectively so.

[@ElNakedo]

Dude is just asking Andrew Tates organisation to be named.

[@adamsoundcloud4248]

Pls do more UK based things USA is gone and we should care more about our own country anyway

[@itsgabony]

Little Briton doesn't prove people didn't care about political correctness in the 90s

[@trailersfromhell2539]

It proved there was more space for it

[@itsgabony]

@trailersfromhell2539 Not really.

[@trailersfromhell2539]

@@itsgabony then make it again today

[@AT-gr4qx]

Are you going to publish your notes for this?

[@Wahhh2276]

Is everyone forgetting the Anglican Church is currently dealing with an abuse scandal?

[@MTx485]

Great whataboutery, let’s expose them. Now back to the topic at hand.

[@Wahhh2276]

​@MTx485 I'm guessing you're not British. The Anglican abuse story came out, then a few wees later the decade old grooming gangs scandal re-emerged. Thats some funny timing.

[@MTx485]

@@Wahhh2276 you do know this is still happening right? But sure, let’s pretend it’s just a distraction. People are kind of tired of sacrificing their daughters for a r-tarded ideology

[@doomdimensiondweller5627]

2:00 You basically just admitted that Musk was right

[@guccidonbuzzflightyear4440]

He is right

[@vrencan]

As long as they're Indian of course

[@randomhuman2595]

But he's hypocritical

[@kmoney890]

1:05:07 “If this was my country I wouldn’t actually care about the facts” lol Lmao

[@artair70]

"Slavic groups" Is he referring to Albanian crimes?

[@brokencreationlordmegatrol3037]

"not great" is going to be a fucking amazing meme

[@mukkaar]

I do have to disagree with Loner that organized/religious/cultural crime is at all same as random sick people doing the crimes. Just like I would say if you do some crime and it's motivated by some hatred of say racial group, that's probably worse. Now on everything else loner seems to know much more and be pretty readonable. I mean I too think that primary failure here with cops and the system. Personally I don't really think we should care about cultural sensitivities or religion if it conflicts with law/investigation, though it does also seem like this is just wider incompetence.

[@lonelyone69]

"Dev you know a lot about this data" "I actually haven't seen this data that lonerbox is talking about" Sums up this entire conversation, I expect nothing less of Americans discussing Britain and British politics

[@DrStrangelove_]

Connor is unbearable. He is a performer.... nothing more.

[@catdogfan732]

The Cornish don’t count as a distinctive people in England?

[@jimmyeveryman6418]

God damn man I like these guys, but this was fucking brutal for a 1v3. Chadbox

[@henryburton6529]

Conner is getting fed lines by Lauren Southern and Sargon. "Indigenous" is a very far right term. There has been immigration to the UK is differing levels for over 1000 years.

[@spikedmo]

Not really though. That's pretty disingenuous. Pretty sure there's been more immigration in the past 20 years than the last 2 thousand. proportionally and straight numbers. That's global warming denyer type statistics. "ahh the earth has been warming for 10,000 years" When 99% of it has happened in the last 50 years. It's not comparable.

[@TheHumanDefective]

I don't think he's being fed lines, he's not that important or smart. He just came here to reflexively defend the right wing position and say brown people bad, simple as

[@rorynolan2322]

There isn't really such thing as and "indigenous" brit. We have being colonized and invaded by different groups throughout basically the entire history of the country

[@henryburton6529]

@@rorynolan2322 Exactly its a neo Nazi term which basically says whites only.

[@henryburton6529]

@@TheHumanDefective Maybe, he's pretty friendly with Lauren and the terms he uses suggest British fascists are getting in his ear

[@sulljoh1]

You're British! Er, sorry, Scottish But you're from the UK, right? 🤣

[@MADDcartman]

Scottish ppl are British, as they are part of Great Britain. The English are British. The Welch are British. The Irish, while part of the isles of Britain, are not part of the uk, so they are just Irish. Unless you are northern Irish, maybe.

[@heinzmonster]

​@@MADDcartman it's weird because in my experience when someone calls someone British they mean English. Otherwise you'd say they were Scottish, Irish or Welsh

[@sulljoh1]

@@MADDcartman It's not that complicated but 0.0% of Americans seem to get this

[@askechadd2473]

@@heinzmonster When Americans call someone British they mean English. Because they are Americans and they know nothing about anywhere but America. Britain is the island that has Scotland, Wales and England on it. So the people living in Scotland, Wales and England are British because they live on Britain (the island).

[@heinzmonster]

@askechadd2473 English people do this too mate. When you're talking about the "British" people then you're obviously including everyone but I have never heard anyone call someone who's Scottish or Welsh british

[@chaserseven2886]

Are these still a thing?

[@xorealslowmd]

A decade ago

[@chaserseven2886]

@@xorealslowmd so not anymore?

[@xorealslowmd]

@@chaserseven2886 The cases they are specifically referencing took place roughly a decade ago. Whether or not it’s still ongoing, I can’t speak to that.

[@chaserseven2886]

@@xorealslowmd right, ok

[@jameslopez9661]

Idk I live in Texas trafficking capital of the US people take advantage of children no matter what race or country

[@cameroncarr2462]

BRITIAN ISNT FAILING AT INTEGRATING OLD PEOPLE ARE FAILING

[@cameroncarr2462]

HAHAHAHA YOU R THE PROBLEMS

[@sneakyfish8191]

American takes on British politics are WILD.

[@endlessnameless6628]

I have never seen 3 people get more worked up over something they admit they know nothing about. Its the purest form of online behaviour being beautifully illustrated, Smeagol in the bottom right was particulalry egregious Also it really didnt seem to sink in that those responsible were born and raised in the Uk. If you want an example of a grooming gang coming from another country and using the lover boy method to entice and entrap native young women into sex slavery then I would say that fits Andrew Tates escapades in Hungry way more than this situation.Although obviously thats different because he's white. The lack of self awarenesa is stunning.

[@TheNoodleGod9001]

To be fair, the smeagol guy is supposed to be the debate host/moderator and not one of the panellists. But... I guess he can't really resist interjecting.

[@HansMaier-zi1gp]

The Problem is always Religion! To be clear not all religious people are bad. But Religion brings out the worst in good people. Who are influenced by Bad people who use Religion!

[@Margarinetaylorgrease]

Then there weren’t really that good then.

[@HansMaier-zi1gp]

The Good and not that intelligent people belive the Bad people that their good tells them to. That is every religion!

[@ospe0301]

Why do I not feel more incensed

[@TheOnlyTYRE]

Plain and simple virtue signalling from Connor, wow you're so pious and virtuous for calling this out, as if it doesn't go without saying that the actions are heinous and the cover-up is grotesque and that action must be taken.

[@kamijk]

These people sure deflect and change the subject a lot.

[@IsraelThomas-s8s]

27:49 actually that's initialism* (I'm smart)

[@aresares5362]

The King of England will speak !!!!

[@SeanJacksonTutorials]

Is this guy in the top left for real? The failure of the parents? Multiple examples where the parents were arrested for trying to stop it from happening!!

[@TheNoodleGod9001]

Where are the actual reports of that actually happening? I've seen a lot of unattributed screenshots claiming that happened but I've never seen them connected to an article or a journalist.

[@SeanJacksonTutorials]

@TheNoodleGod9001 there have been many interviews with survivors and it has been covered in the mainstream press, and what's more the police do not deny these claims. One of the victims said a police officer assaulted her by forcing the morning after pill down her throat. Others have described the police taking them away from their parents and back to their abusers. One father was arrested for attempting to get his daughter back from the abusers. Please watch some interviews with the girls who went through it, you will find the police helping the abusers is a recurring theme.

[@dergotzvonberlichingen4880]

An American asking a Brit, if they have a banger song. Yes. Becose Britania rules the waves. What song does the USA have? They have one of the worst national anthems.

[@heinzmonster]

Hello based department????

[@LowTempDabr]

Is that Sargon Ofacock?

[@henryburton6529]

Scottish is to British as Texan is to American

[@DeafKennedys666]

I wonder what Sneako thinks about this?

[@darkfeign]

Wooooow such great virtue signalling, Connor. Yes yes, pedos bad

[@buzzlopavich]

I wonder what that guy in the top left has to say about the wholesale industrialised slaughter of children in american schools, sacrificed to the 2nd ammendment

[@Mogorman87]

He cares mor about his right to own a gun. He’s an ex cop. He’s a loser pos.

[@thierryhenry395]

Why does he keep calling it the commonwealth