Free Heat Cost Me $2000 - Waste Oil Burner First House Test.

[@BillyBob-uc9zp]

Well done Mr. You'll get there 😎

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks ! I appreciate it.

[@polosandoval]

The key to happiness is lowered expectations.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Well said, my friend. Well said, haha.

[@danya822]

Screw the negativity. Your entire property is your workshop, dont see many with the same mindset and work ethic, putting ideas into action and documenting the results. You wouldn't have this many viewers if your content wasnt interesting and useful.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

You got that right... the hardest part is often documenting results... and being honest about it for fear of looking like an idiot, haha. That comment was more for the amusement of people like you, who actually understand 👍

[@Burnafatty420]

Joel I'm interested in your videos I actually learn alot from ya pal. Screw the negative Karen's on here that put nothing into action other than their fingers on the keyboard. Keep doing you Bro we gotcha your back Always!

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@Burnafatty420 Thanks !! Appreciated.

[@RandyJohnson-w3k]

all hail Lord Joel.... esteemed ruler of the waste oil and diesel heaters.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

LOL. I'm running for Supreme Leader of Canada Next year.... Once my channel takes off.

[@unionse7en]

you seem like the kinda guy who would help a mouse... good for you! the world needs more people like you! Mice Are Great Always !

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks. I'm glad it comes across that way. I try to be a good person.

I immediately connected fire hoses to a 45kw central heating boiler and that has been working well for 3 years, even at 80c you can still hold them fit here in the Netherlands on 1/2 pipe

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Wow... 45kw... That's a serious unit.

[@Truckinup266]

Don't forget that quote from Einstein, "Brilliant spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds" ❤your educational content as always and keep it up!!! Merry Christmas from your buddy in the Hillbilly 😊

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Hey !! You're early in the comments, today. Thanks for chiming in !! I do what I do because I really enjoy tinkering, and I believe that you learn a LOT more for failures than you do from success. Cheers.

[@kirkwalsh1932]

I had high expectations when I clicked on the video.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Come on... You know better than that !! Keep up with the program, haha.

[@kirkwalsh1932]

Those slots are a great idea, you need another outer shell to control where the heat goes, not towards the plastic pipe...lol

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@kirkwalsh1932 I'm thinking about covering the whole thing in a 55 gallon drum, with just enough of a slot to inspect and for the hoses and stuff to come out. That will be an extra layer of protection for everything, including my house, and keep a LOT of the heat in.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@kirkwalsh1932 I do need to do some work to control where the heat goes. The bottom part of the slots actually pulls a substantial amount of air into the system... I was surprised to see this.

[@kirkwalsh1932]

@loweredexpectations4927 yea that would be smart. I mean who in their right mind would have an uncontrollable fire inside a wooden shack with flammable tarps draped on it.....lmao Your trying to make friends with the guys in the big red trucks.

[@KingofallDiffs]

Garaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaage!! 😂😂🤣 MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU !

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Merry Christmas from my GaaaaRage to you !

[@benjaminnevins5211]

I think it is amazing that you take the time to reply to every comment!

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I do my best. Sometimes it gets out of hand, and sometimes it depends on my mental state, haha.... but I do try. I think there's a lot of value for both me and my viewers / commenters.

[@tonebap2725]

I have 2 comments I have a woodstove and behind it I have a plate to radiate the heat away from the wall I am using corrugated roofing material works awesome It doesn't even get warm some reason the heat reflects off the corrugated galvanized material, Also I used a woodstove to heat my pool I had put the copper tubing on the outside around 2 ft long 6" stove pipe work great it doesn't get water too hot the only reason I took it down is because I was too lazy to keep on filling the woodstove love your Enthusiasm on your projects keep it up.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

When I was a child, we had a wood stove (and wood stove) and we had a giant plate of what my dad said was pig iron... but I think he just heard that in a Johnny Cash song. Rock Island Line, haha. It was there to protect the wall and also reflect the heat. 👍 I'm going to be placing the heater inside of a 45 gallon metal drum to reflect more heat back into the system and as a safety measure. I really enjoy tinkering with stuff like this, and if I can stay warm doing it, even better !! I found some copper tube laying around in my attic, and I'm thinking about making a little coil as a secondary heater for the ice fishing tent, haha.

[@VirtualCryptid]

I've been following you for a year or more now. I definitely find your methods both creative and your methods of testing sound given what you have. Very well done

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for your support ! I appreciate the kind words. I really enjoy this sort of stuff.

[@VirtualCryptid]

@loweredexpectations4927 absolutely nice to watch as I have always wondered of things similar to your very experiments. Id be curious if you had a second chamber above the first, but designed the same and could have 2 separate zones so to speak. Dang now minds running. Each zone could have its down 55 gallon drum reservoir

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@VirtualCryptid I have been talking with my roommates about adding a second coil to capture what is now waste heat, and heat the garage and ice fishing tent, haha. I was in my attic the other week, looking for something and found a small roll of copper tubing.

[@TechneMoira]

Making mistakes is how we learn Joel :) That said, maybe doing some basic research on the net, before you trying out something critical (like the choice of heat resistant hose), might save you a lot of hassle (and money) in the end. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year Joel ! 🌲☃

[@loweredexpectations4927]

HAHA... yes... Trial and error is valuable, but there is also a lot of valuable info out there. In my defence, the air hose was a temporary way to see if the system was worth investing in. I have used air hose on my jetskis as coolant line and never had an issue, even when overheating, but the outlet on my burner, when it boils dry, is up around 260C 500F. I know this, because the pipe turned purple from the heat, and it also destroyed my silicone hose. Future upgrades include a sensor / control system so it won't get that hot, and also a longer piece of pipe before the hose is connected. Thanks for the comment !! Merry Christmas to you as well, and a Happy New Year !

[@uncioclasprinlume]

Just an idea: mount a tin barrel on top of the heater and inside the barrel make a coil for hot air from an aluminum downpipe (this in case you move the heater close to the house) and with a fan push the cold air from the house through that downpipe and back in the house, heated

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Haha... Yes, I did. I can shorten the run, and likely will this summer (if not sooner), but I'll have to drill a hole through the foundation of my house. I can remove 15-20 feet of outside feed and return pex and about the same inside. The window was quick and easy, but not at all ideal. The heater kinda has to stay where it is. I can't really put it in the middle of my yard. Under my deck could work, but it would be a fire hazard BIG TIME and too close to my neighbours kitchen window and back deck. Where it is now, is outside my other neighbours furnace room, so not bothering them. Alternatively, I COULD run the pex into my garage, as originally planned. The garage has hydronic floor heating and there is a 4 inch insulated pipe that leads into my house. This adds complications though, due to where I would have to drill through the garage footing and route the lines. I had also considered heating my garage floor with this water, but my garage floor operates at a much lower temperature, about 104F, where my water to air exchanger works well much higher. If I would have known about this project a few months ago, my basement was literally unfinished.... I could have poked holes through the foundation a few feet from the heater and ran the pex inside, haha.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

That's an interesting idea. I am 100% considering putting a barrel around the heater. Partly for safety, and partly to trap some heat in to make the system more efficient. I may install a second copper or aluminum coil to heat the garage or ice fishing tent. Not sure yet.

[@windandsolar2013]

Hi Joel, it is an experience to watch your work. I am glad I am not the only one doing similar stuff. How about running a smaller oil heater in the laundry and piping the exhaust out the window up high to clear the house? Then, all that indoor heat would radiate throughout the walls and floor to rooms above. I am looking forward to your next video. Merry Christmas! 🎄

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for the comment! I have thought of putting a heater directly in the house, but that is a no no for insurance purposes. There is also inevitably, going to be oil smoke / smell during fire up, shutdown and clean out. If you had a certified furnace, That was then modified with a burner like mind in it, and had a cleanout method that didn't fill your house with stank, that would be ideal. The only heat loss would be a little out the exhaust.

[@jeffclark5024]

This definitely resonates with my inner MacGyver… I’ve thought about doing something very similar with an outdoor oil burner of sorts. Maybe it’s just me but that burner being in a wooden shack that’s attached to the house worries me. I’ve had thoughts of turning an old grill or smoker into an incognito outdoor oil burner with the water pipes buried to the house. I’d just like to see it at a safe distance from the house for fire hazard reasons. Cheers from Wisconsin 🍻 and happy holidays

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I have thought of building something like this for several years... I never did it, because I knew I wouldn't do just a simple air heat exchanger. I knew it would turn into a cobbled mess of hoses and wires, haha. The burner in the wooden shack, filled with firewood, attached to the house, isn't the best idea ever, but I've spent a LOT of time in there monitoring it and messing with it. I have watched many of the "oh shit" moments unfold, and it has actually allowed me to relax a little. The heater often operates with the sides glowing red hot, and even at 0C, the fence and wood pile get warm, but not hot. My main concern was water or antifreeze mixing with the oil and causing a serious flare up. After several water issues, it is clear that, with this particular design, water or antifreeze in the oil actually causes the burner to go out. That being said... the "plan" moving forward, is to put the whole thing inside of a 55 gallon steel drum. partly as a "oh shit" protector and partly to trap in some heat. I think a barrel with no bottom on it, placed over the top of the heater, with a slot from the top to bottom for the hoses, fan, fuel feed etc. Again, thanks for the comment and concern. I like your grille idea.

[@jeffclark5024]

@ thanks for the response. Had another idea here, they make grill draft inducers that have app control and temp sensors. They’re designed to regulate the temp in a charcoal grill by regulating the amount of air the fire is getting. Wonder if something like this could be helpful in dialing in the efficiency?

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@jeffclark5024 Hmmmm. That's very interesting. I'll have to look at it.

[@jeffclark5024]

@@loweredexpectations4927 They are often used on those ceramic grills like “big green egg”. I could see a lot of benefits to actually using one of those ceramic grills as far as efficiency. Maybe you could have a much smaller fire, more precisely controlled. As an added bonus the lid is on hinges for easy cleaning.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@jeffclark5024 Thanks. I ended up finding one form the company I bought my meat thermometer from, INKBIRD If I can get the efficiency up, It is possible that I could build a smaller system and burn less oil. Unlike a BBQ or some other burners, the efficiency isn't with making the heat (converting fuel to heat efficiently) but absorbing the heat into the water, and not having much of it escape. The best way to collect heat efficiently, is to have a very large surface area, so the coil that I'm using isn't ideal. Having 4 more coils and having them made of copper would be much better.

[@cowboy6591]

Ya Made my Sunday Night Joel. Thanx.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Awesome. Good to hear. Thanks for the comment!

[@mickgatz214]

Just ignore the negative comments. Obviously the people that criticise your work, probably don't have the skills or intelligence to think 'outside the box', as you do. Things do, and WILL go wrong, and it's great that you document you fails, as well as successes. On a side note: Workiiing on my E.Scooter. Paralled x2 20AH (with S.S switching). (KASA, dual hub, mid entry level $1875, 1st gen) Get very close to 100Km, but reality more like 80Km. Maybe i'll parallel a third battery?.... I really should do videos / reviews / udates, but really can't be bothered atm. KEEP UP THE GREAT VIDEOS!

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Yeah, me saying things like that is more for the amusement of my regular viewers, like you, haha. Now and then, someone will get under my skin, but mostly I just laugh it off. I think that there is a LOT more to be learned from failure, than from success. I now know how hot is too hot, for air hose, haha. SS switching = Solid State ? Or am I way off ? Videos really are a LOT of work. I'd love to be out messing with stuff right now, but instead I'm editing, uploading, monitoring my videos... Comments are good tho, haha.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Wait wait wait.... Did you say 100 km/h on a scooter !!! (80) ... Do you have a steering damper on that bad boy ? Yikes. I think I would be comfortable up to about.... 40 - 50.... and I've been 92 mph on a turbocharged V8 Jetski...

[@mickgatz214]

@@loweredexpectations4927 Nah, distance mate, distance. She's locked in @25kp/hr...(y'know, hehehe), but yeah, 10" wheels make steering a bit jerky, so sometime i'm looking into an a.m steering damper. It doesn't get speed wobble, but like if I want to take a hand off the handle bar, it should be more stable.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@mickgatz214 OOOOOOH... I feel like an idiot. That makes more sense. I was going to say, you're one brave dude !! That's really impressive ! Wow. Is that 80km at 25kph or nursing it ?

[@mickgatz214]

@@loweredexpectations4927 "nursing" it. ;)

[@tomdell7169]

Good work joel! Great use of the old jetski fuel tank!

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Haha... I wish I could incorporate more jetski content into my life / channel, but there's only so much time and money to go around.

[@Seelengeburt]

He is back.. He will always come back :D Hope you are doing good after that incident.. life goes on some way 😢 😢

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Back, and doing something ... I was going to say "silly" but, how about "interesting". I think so, haha.

[@Seelengeburt]

I always think about how shitty my life is sometimes but afterall i think everyone has something or another hard things going on in there life​@@loweredexpectations4927

[@Seelengeburt]

​@@loweredexpectations4927really you make every thing interesting :D i really like The 20+ min vids where you go into Details :)

[@coachgeo]

You and Andy talk it out.. thats a tuff thing... Certainly makes you see life differently.... especially the value of it and how you live it. Sending good thought your direction

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Yeah, Andy and I talk a lot regardless and more so due to this happening. I appreciate your concern and your level headed comment.

[@unionse7en]

ive made adapters by brazing haves of fittings far too many times, but its frequently the fastest and cheapest way to get what a project needs.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I think the last time I brazed anything was 24-235 years ago, haha. Seems like something I should do, though. I do have a tig welder, so I should get some rod and do it up.

[@lorddeath1023]

Good job. I am working on the same idea as you are. I was able to pick up a old cast iron radiator. Going to try that out. Good job brother.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Very cool. Cast radiators are typically very expensive in my part of the country... pretty available on the east coast. If you can stand the sound / noise, a fan on your radiator will be idea. Not to rain on your parade... I don't know your system requirements but, a cast radiator (2 feet x 2 feet) will be at least 10 times less efficient than what I have. You can look up the BTU output of a cast radiator. I used to have them in my house when I was 2, haha. They are very cool.

[@TsiRoadkill]

You could use home assistant to monitor those temperatures in fact if you really wanted to nerd out and invest some time you could automate the whole pump setup also. If you are handy with computers I highly suggest you check it out.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Hmmmm. That sounds really cool but also... That sounds like something that I would turn into an obsession, haha. This time next month my channel would be renamed and be all about Home Assistant, haha.

[@leveluplife8585]

This is a very educational experiment

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks. I appreciate your comment.

[@phafinley3052]

A good place for heat exchangers used school buses usually have 3 85000btu heaters in them. I use one to heat my house with hot water.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Oooooh !! Someone said that before (maybe you) but I totally blanked and didn't get it.... The heater core / heat exchanger for heating the inside of the buss... Wow. That does seem like a great resource. I wonder if there is a local buss graveyard that I can pull one / some from. That's awesome. Thanks!

[@JoelArseneaultYouTube]

Not doing a premier, but I’m here with you all, watching. Will try to respond to comments as they come in.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I wonder how many people get confused when I comment on my own video as Joel Arseneault, instead of with my Lowered Expectations account, haha.

[@benetra]

4:57 Those red hoses.. always making strange noises when pushing them on a barb fitting ;-)

[@loweredexpectations4927]

LOL... almost sounds like Canada Geese 🤔

[@GRILL332]

You have done this long enough you know what we are going to say before we say it. lol. A hot water coil like the one in the heater, but inside the main furnace duct, seems easy and when the oil is burning just force the blower on the furnace on to cool the coil. No box fan needed, and maybe no radiator needed. When you don’t run oil the furnace just runs like normal.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Haha... I sometimes know what you will say. I ordered another heat exchanger and am strongly considering installing it into the duct work of the furnace. Not sure if it will be in the main plenum just above the furnace burner, or on the return air vent. Thanks for the comment.

[@glyngibbs9489]

Excellent vid as usual. Thanks for sharing your triumphs and setbacks. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks. Merry Christmas to you as well.

[@aaronthedj12]

wow, quite the video today. first, good on you and your friend for trying to help a person in need. I've been there and its a very difficult thing to go through. As for the rest, i have no expectations! lol. just this "lets see what hes going to do next!" lol. Merry Christmas to you and yours Joel.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Merry Christmas to you as well !! I've really been enjoying this project, and it's satisfying to be able to heat my house. I really wish I had more time, as I do have footage for more videos. Maybe after Christmas.

[@patchvonbraun]

Another epic episode, Joel. I hope that you can the cats have a great Xmas. Sorry to hear about what happened in your back alley. A couple of my colleagues were on the corporate ERT when one of my other colleagues had a massive (fatal) heart-attack at work. They tried to resuscitate him, and then the paramedics arrived, worked on him for 45 minutes, then had to call it. My colleagues on the ERT team were devastated, of course. The guy who died as very well liked, helluva nice guy. I hope that you find some peace, Joel.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks! I appreciate the comment. I hope you have a great Xmas as well. I have been dealing with it okay, and I think a large part of that is because I have been going to therapy for mental health, since July of this year. You never think you're going to be in that situation, and it is tuff, that's for sure.

[@patchvonbraun]

@@loweredexpectations4927 I spent most of the 16 years of my marriage in therapy. It helped the marriage last 16 years, but, in the end, well, it failed. Since then, I've been dealing with a lot of stuff, too. But, I cannot afford a therapist, so, just trying to cope as best I can.

[@Orentas01]

Love your project! I also already for few months planing to build oil burner to heat my house by using original central heating, just my plan is to use Chinese computer to control burner, like automatic start up and shut down + flame control, water temp tracking and etc.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

That's great. I do plan to add controls to my system, and have plans to add the heat exchanger to my furnace and some controls as well, but likely not as fancy as yours, haha. My type of heater does not like to throttle up and down quickly, so having a large amount of storage water is a great buffer (literally called buffer tanks). That way you can run it for hours at a steady output, and throttle back when you have a lot of heat in storage. My system will likely consist of a controller that tries to maintain an specific water temperature at the heater outlet (by controlling oil flow) and safety shutdown using the same outlet temp. I may also use a sensor in my water storage tanks, to throttle back the burner once a specific temperature is reached. I still haven't decided if I am going to use the thermostat "call for heat" to do anything, or if I will just use a separate thermostat activate flow through the exchanger, and constantly circulate air with the furnace fan.

[@lanceulbrich6249]

Oh great lord of expectations Sorry to hear about your neighbor. I had a neighbor/friend of mine pass away in front of me a couple of months ago def leaves a mark.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Sounds really funny to hear it like that. "Oh great lord of expectations". Haha. I've been dealing with the death of my neighbour fairly well. I didn't know her, so that probably makes it easier. It's the second time something like this has happened in 10 years. This was a little more rough, in ways, but I have been going to therapy, leading up to it and since, so that helps.

[@lasersbee]

21:58... to make it more efficient.... I would start by Insulting the lines that run outside. Your trying to get more speed out of your car pulling a 10 ton trailer by tuning the engine timing instead of removing the 10 ton trailer

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I insulated almost all of the pex, in this video. The reason I didn't insulate all the way up to the heater, is because I need it to be flexible so I can remove the coil for service, and because the insulation I bought, melts, even a few feet from the heater.

[@Dusty-Builds]

I've been thinking about a way to better regulate the level of oil in the burner. If you had an external tank with a connecting pipe into the burner, and the bottom of that tank was level with the bottom of the burner, then the level of both should remain the same. Next put a float valve in the outer tank to keep the level of both the tank, and the burner, at a set level that gives you the best burn. That way the level will be constant regardless of the oil temp. It works in my head. Let me know what you think.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I have actually thought of this, and it would work. It is a fairly simple and elegant solution. I'm not sure that a carburetor valve would flow enough oil (unless it was heated oil) but I'm sure there's a valve out there that would do the trick. I thought of this when looking at oil oil furnace carburetors. The problem with them is that, altho they control flow, they do not maintain a level. WIth the level being maintained, this adds a level of safety because if the flame goes out, the will just fill the bowl and stop. I may have tackled this if I hadn't decided to install a stainless dish in the buner as a place for the oil to flash off and an easy clean out.

[@Dusty-Builds]

@@loweredexpectations4927 I was thinking more of a float valve for a horse trough or a swamp cooler.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@Dusty-Builds Yeah... even a toilet float / valve...as long as the valves can withstand oil and solvents that would be in used oil. I love the idea... I may come back to it someday.

[@3dphillo396]

I use to use an Arduino Uno to monitor 2 different temperatures and have it displayed on a small display. You may be able to find the code and how to wire it all together. I don't see why you couldn't monitor 4 different probes and have them displayed. I am getting too old to be messing with all that now and no longer have the need to do that. I could test the household fridge upper and lower temps and set up the controls on the fridge for perfect temps. Also use it to adjust the older range ovens (stove) and set the thermostat for 350 deg. If you have had any experience with the great little micro controller, this would be easy to set up. Adafruit would be a good place to check out for the thermocouple (k-type) boards. 2 wire thermocouple in, 4 wires out. I may still have these boards kickin around but I have no idea where they are now.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Yeah... I know there are folks out there that would wip this system up in an afternoon, but I'd really like an off the shelf product. If I go down the rabbit hole of electronics, souldenly this will be an electronics channel, as I tend to be a bit obsessive. I appreciate your comment and might look into this if I can't find a more elegant solution (at a reasonable price)

[@sjococo]

12:36 Ah, that's where you launder all that KZbin money😂

[@loweredexpectations4927]

LOL... nice.

[@zorrosoxter4703]

Joel in the description ‘this heater will have to burn a LOT of waste oil to pay for itself’. Joel in the video ‘I’m running out of oil’

[@loweredexpectations4927]

LOL... someone actually read the description !!! Wow, I'm impressed. I am now in the search for more fuel/ oil... and have leads on a few sources. That being said, I have a few fuels in mind that I am curious about. If I can find WMO I will use that, but WVO would be fun, as well as ATF or hydraulic fluid.

[@zorrosoxter4703]

@ I can’t help you with waste oil since I’m 6500km away from you but you’ll surely find a supply from car dealerships or truck companies or restaurants. You’ll find something I’m sure

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@zorrosoxter4703 Believe it or not... I'm actually worse at talking to people in person, than I am at talking to a camera 🤣... If I were more outgoing, I'm confident I'd have a steady supply already... just need to ask around a little... but I generally don't talk to people at all, and I definitely don't' ask for help or favours.

[@zorrosoxter4703]

@@loweredexpectations4927 yeah I’m a lot like that myself but you’ll probably be doing someone a favour taking waste oil off their hands

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@zorrosoxter4703 True.

[@gordonmclean2794]

Thanks for another great video. Oil burner seems to be burning pretty clean. Have you tried putting a round plate to block off the top of the pipe coil inside the burner? Then the hot air would have to pass side ways between the pipes and exit through the annular space around the outside? Hopefully there would be enough space and volume in the centre not to choke the burner

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for the comment. The burner does burn pretty well. I have tested it with a few different meters, and the exhaust is reasonable. Not 100% sure I understand what you are asking. I didn't show it, but the testing near the end of this video, where I ruined the hose, I had the top hole capped off so that air had to exit the slots in the side of the body. I would like to attempt putting a pipe down through the center (again) now that the slots are there, and see if it would bump up the efficiency. Last time I used a large 6" pipe, with thick walls. Perhaps a cone shape or a thin wall pipe would work better.

[@mike97525]

Love this channel, keep up the GOOD work😎😎😉😉

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks. Much appreciated !!

[@michaelg4931]

For caveman automated control of the fan one could use a White-Rodgers 3F01-110 snap disc mounted on the heat exchanger wired in series with a White-Rodgers 3L11-85 which would be free air. These two are 'Snap Disc' bimetal disc thermostats. The 3F01 would turn the fan on when the exchanger was 110+ Fahrenheit / 44C, off at 90F / 32C. The 3L110 would turn the fan of if the air temp got above 80-90F. Not to rain on the affliate parade but for a heat exchanger, one might want to look at car radiators. If you're flexible on size, you can score a new one cheap online. I found a radiator for a C7 Corvette that I picked up for less than $30 USD including taxes and shipping on a clearance sale. 17 x 21 inches.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

That's one of the first things that I considered ... I have seen them as thermal protection on electric motors, as well. I looked into them and read that they are not intended to be used regularly. It could be used as a safety shutdown, but not for heat control. Perhaps you have a counter argument ? LOL... "affiliate parade". 100% My local Pick N Pull would have been a cheaper option, and I had strongly considered this for heating my garage. I only opted for the "proper" exchanger because I plan on installing it into my furnace duct work, and I think it will be easier and cleaner of an install. Even in my garage, I didn't want to deal with stepping down from rad hose connections to 1/2 inch pex. "I found a radiator for a C7 Corvette that I picked up for less than $30 USD including taxes and shipping on a clearance sale. 17 x 21 inches" That's an amazing deal !! I'd almost order one just to have it around, haha.

[@michaelg4931]

@@loweredexpectations4927 Factory built pellet stove used them for control. I've been using snap discs on a circulation fan for a wood stove and they've been going fine for 2+ heating seasons. One day I'll get around to using a Raspberry Pi Pico to make it a bit more 'professional'. 🤣 Stepping down from the radiator size to pex just involves a 3"/7.5cm section of radiator hose, two hose clamps, a reducer with an OD of the ID of the radiator hose with a hole drilled and tapped for the MPT size of the pex fitting and the MPT to pex fitting. The reducer could be made on a drill press even. I'd been watching that radiator for some time and finally went for it when it showed only 1 left in stock. I kinda wished I'd have bought a few sooner. 🙄

[@loweredexpectations4927]

​@@michaelg4931 If you have to change it every few years, not a big deal. For my system it would have to be fail safe so that if / when the switch went bad, the fan would turn off. Or at least that would be the smart thing to do. You can get cheap ($35 CAD) PID controllers that come with a thermocouple and a SSR, solid state relay. They are basically a smart / self learning switch that can turn the fan on at a set point and try to maintain a temp. If it can't do it, like in the case of your fan, it will just stay on until your fire goes out. I know the adapter isn't a big deal, in reality, It's just in my head. I love building things and the 3-4 days it took to build the heater I was stressing out about what I was going to use for fuel line and water hose. The reason I ended up using some old air hose for water line, was because I happened to be at a store with a friend and walked through the air hose section, haha. I'm a mental case. Yeah, that's a heck of a deal. Regardless of what you use it for, you can't beat the price 🤟

[@wallacefrey6247]

Merry Christmas.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks Wallace !! Merry Christmas to you as well. Hope you are doing well.

[@jasonbradbury5073]

hey man.. just an fyi.. your furnace has two 2" pvc ports coming out of the top of the unit. one port is intake and one port is exhaust {Rt side is exhaust on my unit} .. as you are pointing out what youre doing with the pex, i can see you have both the exhaust line and the intake line tye into a wye fitting and then out the foundation wall.. that wye fitting is wrong.. i could be wrong { but i dont think so} .. those lines need to be separate as they exit the house .. currently the sytem exhaust is dumping into the intake.. im not an hvac guy (but my cousin is} and i own 10 rental units that i installed every unit in and thats how every unit was designed.. just thought id spread some love

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for the comment and concern. The furnace exhaust that you are talking about is called a "Concentric Vent". It's actually designed like that. The two chambers are separate from each other and the inlet air actually captures some of the heat from the exhaust. In a clip of the outside, under the deck, you might be able to see that there is a small pipe coming out the centre (2") and the outer pipe is 4"... I think. Although this is the way they are designed, I wouldn't recommend this set up if you live in a really cold climate. What happens, when the temp drops to around -30C, is the moisture from the exhaust freezes at the exit, and blocks up the inlet air.... so the furnace shuts down till you go smash the ice out. I appreciate you trying to help. Cheers !!

[@SuperDave-vj9en]

Wouldn’t You be better off running the PEX piping looped around the bottom of the floor of the house? This way the heat migrates up through the wood floor into the entire house. No noisy fan, etc, just heat radiating up through the floors of the entire house. Just a suggestion, but I like your style! I’m a subscriber who likes to watch every single video. Thanks

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I have floor heating in my garage... it is awesome and I wish I had it in my house. There are a few reasons not to do this, though. Running Pex through my entire house would mean tearing up ceilings and or floors in every room. Pex doesn't have great heat transfer, so you need to use a LOT of it to get decent output. This also means you should have manifolds, several pumps, zone controls etc. It gets complicated and expensive, if you want to do it right. What I have now is an experiment to see IF it can heat my house. It can, so the next practical step is to install a heat exchanger into my furnace. When a thermostat calls for heat it will circulate air and pull heat from the water. I did the system in my garage and I love it.... but it is a major project to retrofit it to an old house like mine. If I would have know I was taking this path a few months ago I could have installed all of the pex, as my basement WAS unfinished until this past summer.

[@SuperDave-vj9en]

@loweredexpectations4927 First of all, I really appreciate you as a KZbin creator getting back to me and answering my questions. Very few, if any, do what you just did. I really love your style with multiple experiments, sorting and sharing the process with your audience. I am a plumbing contractor myself, so I have installed a lot of PEX piping. You are correct when you say that the heat transfer is not really great, however, the slow transfer happens over a long period of time and as we all know, heat rises. It’s just too damned bad that you didn’t install it earlier when there was a chance. Oh well, lesson learned. Please keep your amazing videos coming, I look forward to seeing each and every one of them. Best regards from California where we have a Mediterranean climate. 👍🙏

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@SuperDave-vj9en Thanks for the kind response. I appreciate it. Yeah... I will probably kick myself for years for not installing it when I had the chance. One room does just have drop ceiling, below the living room, but I now have a roommate living in there, and a FULL house, so access to it isn't an option at this time. The laundry room and living room could be done in the future. Pex does an amazing job of heating my garage. Like you say, not great heat transfer, but over time and over a large surface area and it gets the job done. I have a tankless heater that operates at 104F I believe. This hokie pokie set up has worked well enough, that it is convinced me that I should put more into it. I really like tinkering with things, and I like staying warm. More videos to come.

[@gaminginmy60s]

Guess we can not post links to other videos. Place the fan so it pushes air through the heat exchanger. Do not place right up against it, place it back about a foot or so.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Hmmmm I wonder if that would work. You gave me the idea of blowing secondary combustion air in through the top. This would also direct some hot air through the exchanger.

[@gaminginmy60s]

@@loweredexpectations4927 Not sure we are on the same page. I am talking about the radiator inside the house, to place the fan to push air. But, I also understand what you mean about secondary combustion with the oil heater. That will be an interesting experiment.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@gaminginmy60s OH ! Okay... Wow, I'm not sure how I confused myself about that. Understood.

[@werner.x]

😅 Somehow reminds me of a story with an apple, a snake and this woman, Adam believed to need for the sake of his own wellbeing. Not only, that this endeavour did cost him a rip upfront, the "free" apple was the first thing gone also.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

HAHA... How to they say. Touche.

[@Burnafatty420]

Hey Joel, i watched in another one of your videos you taking a motor out of the 2kw. I should have commented on that video but didnt think about it. What or where is the easiest place you visit to order parts for your diesel heaters? Thanks in advance my guy. Love your videos you definitely are an interesting character.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

If you are in the US, Amazon has a bunch of stuff... the Ali sites have the best prices and LOTS of parts, but you usually have to wait a little longer.

[@Burnafatty420]

@loweredexpectations4927 alrighty then appreciate ya getting back to me. I'll take a Gander at it. Merry Christmas my guy! 🙏

[@AuditorsUnited]

you could weld the fitting .. i would try a automotive putty epoxy i buy it by the tub .. it machinable. and takes heat ..

[@loweredexpectations4927]

What fitting are you referring to ? The one for the oil pump or one of the water fittings ?

[@AuditorsUnited]

@@loweredexpectations4927 28:34

[@AuditorsUnited]

@@loweredexpectations4927 Apoxie Sculpt 4lbs $50

[@Truckinup266]

How about using small woks for cooking Chinese food or disks from small farm implements for forcing the heat thru the exchanger

[@loweredexpectations4927]

That could work... as long as it doesn't restrict flow too much. Not sure if you saw, but I have now cut slots in the side of the heater, so it allows for more forgiving flow.

[@martinpanks992]

Joel my man don't even start to entertain the trolls because once you start to entertain their bull you won't be able to stop.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Haha... true. That comment was for the entertainment of my loyal followers ... so we can all have a laugh at the trolls.

[@Jacobskibros]

Wow you've really had it going on! I am curious what do the people in you area do to stay warm that don't know how to do what you do? I would think most people would have an insane heating bill!

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Yeah... I had it going a little too hard. With newer houses, with decent insulation and windows, heating is still expensive, but reasonable. It is not unheard of for a heating bill to be $500 - $1000. My mother burns oil and has to close off some rooms of the house, as she can't afford to heat the whole thing. I don't keep it very warm in my house, normally, and on a good month, it is usually around $300 - $400 for natural gas.

[@bikerboymc54]

😅 i have lowered my expectations a very long time ago!

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Awesome... Glad you understood the mission, haha.

[@werner.x]

Speaking of safety - if your heater catches fire and ignited the shed, your house will burn down also. Maybe it's worth overthinking this aspect and giving the heater its own dog house.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I will be enclosing the entire heater in a 205L metal drum, with just a small opening for inspection / access. This will offer a lot of protection against a fire ever starting and also will contain it if one starts.... Probably smother it out. The heater is where it is because it won't disturb the neighbours (that is where their utility room is) it is out of sight and shielded form the elements.

[@colinhamer6506]

Lord lol no way we know your Joel King of I'll give it a go 😜👍

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Haha. Yeah, more like "King of messing stuff up".

[@colinhamer6506]

There's a few things that I think you should think about first one I think your burner is to big for what you want it for second take advantage of the heat cycle for the first stage of heating the water the tried and tested old way with a fair sized insulated vented tank higher than the burner plumbed with"1 1/2 BSP and kept topped up with a ball cock and hot water is then used from the tank in many different ways the first designs don't really on electricity the bimetallic thermostat was the key it has been pushed aside or over complicated with modern tec but it can be the easiest way to regulate everything and have a fail safe shut down. 👍

[@colinhamer6506]

@@loweredexpectations4927 Messing things up is part of being King of I'll give it a go own it 😉. I'd keep a eye on the new cat though it looks like it's plotting to mess things up lol

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@colinhamer6506 Haha.. yeah, that cat is a handful.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@colinhamer6506 Yeah... This burner is pretty capable of making lots of heat. I'm hoping to be able to step my efficiency game up and be able to tame it down. I need to get a control system on it. Currently it's either "GO GO GO" , or "OH NO!" haha. I had considered a hot water tank, had my eye on one and almost went to pick it up. My thought WAS that I wanted something compact and simple. This is worked well enough, that I think I am ready to take it a little more seriously. I will keep playing with this system, for my own entertainment and my viewers, but I am considering / working on a major upgrade. I have looked at many of the basic thermostatic setups and am still considering one for at least part of the system.

[@matthewlee2686]

You must be Canadian

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Haha... Born and raised.

[@werner.x]

What's the wattage of this green fan in your burner setup ? I'm wondering whether to order the 30W or the 60W version for my own waste oil burner. I'd prefer less power, maybe 10 -15 Watt - but the cheap green metal fans, Aliexpr*** offers in Europe, are only available in a 30 to 80 watt range.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

The wattage of the green fan claims to be 80W, but I think that is a little exaggerated. The burner runs fine with the fan set to 50%. The title says 200W, the description says 80/60/40W... and another description says 80W .... It's hard to know without testing, and I haven't tested yet. They have a variable speed control, so even if you get a more powerful one, you can dial it back and not use as much power.

[@Nils_1984]

just need some copper pipe first m or 2.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I'm going to add some more black pipe. The copper pipe would work, but suck a lot of heat out and also I'd worry about the solder joints ... though I suppose it could all be threaded fittings. I got it hot enough that it turned the steel purple ... about 500F haha.

[@neponel]

try building an open fire in the middle of living room to heat your home.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I know of some meth heads who did this and a bunch of them were hospitalized, haha. Highly not recommended.

[@CRYMEARIVER-S4]

Did you do 30 and one?

[@loweredexpectations4927]

It took me a second to figure out what you were talking about. I realize I initiated this by talking about it in my video, but the situation was complicated and confusing. I don't want to discuss details of it. Cheers.

[@werner.x]

Do you think, your heater would work sufficiently with water mantle instead of the coil?

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I'm not sure what this means... Heating a tank instead of the coil ? I think that surface area is the most important thing... You can do the math on the surface area of a cylinder compared to a 50 foot, half inch coil. If I had more space, or if I do this again, I would be VERY tempted to use an old natural gas or oil fired water heater. Place it on legs a little taller than my burner, and then have the burner sit under it.

[@werner.x]

@@loweredexpectations4927 I think about building a portable unit without any expenses, because i need my money for me moving out soon. So i think of a double walled construction - just for water heating, because it operates outside, like yours. Don't want to buy a coil.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@werner.x I'm sure that it will heat water with just another tank sitting on top of a heater like mine. If by double wall you mean a wall to guide the heat over the surface of the tank, that could help a lot. There are lots of ways around buying a coil, I'm sure.

[@werner.x]

​@@loweredexpectations4927 Not exactly. No reservoir, just the water inside walls and circuit, like an old style car cooling system without pressure cap. Maybe water on top too and chimney sideways - as long as it can be built fast and simple and daily cleanout is easy. I'll overthink that.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

​@@werner.x Oh, I understand. How effective this is will depend on the surface area and what the inlet temperature is. I would think if you make a burner like mine. and then above it have two tubes, one 100mm and one 150mm , forming a jacket, like you suggest, that would work. Heat could pass through the center of the 100MM pipe and, somewhat, on the outside of the 150mm pipe. The trick would be having it as long as practical (for your convenience). Too long, and the outside of the tube may start dissipating heat, rather than collecting it. You would have to fine tune the distance from the flame to tube / exchanger so that it didn't smother the fire, but if it were in the open, I don't really think you'd have any issues. You'd have to monitor it closely. If the water stopped flowing, or flowed too slowly, you would end up with boiling water / steam.

[@TheZigZiggy]

I really hated seeing you cut slices in that heater. Where did you think all those flames and heat was going to go? Are you trying to burn down that little shack? Put a stovepipe on the top instead of those slots, and add a damper in the stovepipe to adjust it instead of the bars you were using previously.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for your comment / input / concern. Hopefully I can put your mind at ease with some info and promise of future upgrades. I was VERY concerned about the heat coming out the sides. My first fire up, I moved the burner away from everything. It turns out because of the large total area of the slots and more heat being absorbed by the water (I assume) that the overall heat coming out the sides is not at all what you would expect. You can hold your hand 6 inches away without being burnt. If you hold it 18 inches from the glowing bottom section, you will be burnt. I was also worried about flare ups, if moisture gets in the oil. Flames shooting out the sides is NOT ideal. This fortunately, isn't what happens. If moisture or antifreeze gets into the oil, when it starts to flare up, there isn't enough oxygen and the fire goes out completely To not just depend on luck or what usually happens, I will be basically putting the whole system inside of a steel barrel, with only a slot / opening for inspection, the hoses etc. This will not only make it more safe, it will make it more efficient, as it will trap more heat in and keep the cold out.

[@gaminginmy60s]

Extend the galvanized nipples by 6 inches or more to clear the heat from the stove.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for the advice... I was thinking the same thing. I think I have a 12" piece of black pipe that I'm going to install on the outlet, just to be safe. I'm also installing a thermowell with a sensor. If the temp get to 90C, it will stop the combustion air fan, so that the heat drops rapidly.

[@BobBob-k2n]

No cat 😢

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I didn't have a cat in this video ? Oops, haha. I made up for it at the end of today's video.

[@kenjohnson3412]

Do not comment on the negative posts. When you acknowledge the posts made by annoying, inconsiderate and ignorant commenters you are giving them the recognition that they want. If you don't ignore them it will only encourage more of their obnoxious behavior.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

You're right, those people don't deserve any attention. My comment wasn't aimed at any specific person and was intended to amuse my regular viewers. Still, you are right.

[@arcadelossiervosdelasantav9145]

If you install the heat exchanger on the HVAC plenum kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4GnmImrjJ2Bna8si=yq2GJNOX2trYtmwv you will be able to heat the whole house. You have to upgrade the hot water reservoir for something insulated. This video will help kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYOyk2x4oa-caNksi=RrBttK42kGKUWzZK great job.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Thanks for the comment and video suggestions. I have seen both of these, haha. Watched the second one last evening and the first one a few weeks ago. I do think, this is what I will eventually do. Time will tell.

[@CRYMEARIVER-S4]

Looks like you are packing on a few pounds. You should slow down on the cheesburgers and fries.

[@loweredexpectations4927]

LOL... Thanks for that observation. I have definitely put on some weight and lost some muscle mass. I don't eat much, but I also haven't been riding BMX or jetskis. Unlike what Special K used to say ... You can pinch an inch on me.

[@hooperwille]

instead of silicone hose why not just extend that black pipe sideways. Now this looks too close to the heater for any type of hose

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I will be extending the black pipe some. I want it to be compact and easily serviceable, but a 12" pipe shouldn't effect that too much. I may have to build a bracket to support the pipe, though, as the only thing holding it is the compression fitting. I didn't set out to buy insane silicone hose... I just asked for heater hose, and they cut me off some of this.

[@Orentas01]

I love when you explain everything again for those idiots in the comments 😅 and still they never get that 🙈😅

[@loweredexpectations4927]

The funny thing is that they won't get it... they never get it. It's REALLY for people like you who actually understand. So we can laugh at the trolls together, haha.

[@toddstanley7804]

Trolls will be Trolls. Besides, idiots seem to make lots of video's on youtube, get lots of views, and make money

[@loweredexpectations4927]

Very true... Probably 90% of my views are from trolls... I should be thanking them, haha.

[@icabobcrane8984]

Chould you do a diesel heater video , take a 3m exhaust pipe, under the heater,coil it 27cm o.d. ,slightly gapped, like a coiled radiator with a small fan behind it to scavenge exhaust heat. Thanks

[@loweredexpectations4927]

I just bought another heat exchanger from Vevor. I'm going to be using it to run exhaust through and scavenge the heat directly. If I understand your suggestion correctly, you want me to use the exhaust to heat water by running the exhaust close to an exchanger?

[@icabobcrane8984]

@loweredexpectations4927 no , just blow the heat off of the coiled exhaust pipe, to get more heat from the exhaust. Chould you check the exhaust for increased co. And see how much carbon build up in burn chamber. Like when you added more sections of exhaust pipe, but this time coil it and blow the heat off. Like a poor man's heat exchanger. Thank you

[@loweredexpectations4927]

@@icabobcrane8984 OH... I get it. I'm going to be doing one where I run the heater into the heat exchanger that I have. I have used up most of the pipe that I bought for that other experiment, but perhaps at some point in the future. Stainless steel isn't great at transferring heat, but with a fan... maybe.

[@icabobcrane8984]

I'd like to put a diesel heater in my basement, i don't get any water in my basement. Is it plausible to make a flange and gasket to seal the floor drain and put the diesel.heater exhaust down the floor drain ? Thanks

[@loweredexpectations4927]

If only it were that easy. This is not a good idea and could not only result in damage to the heater, but could be hazardous. Highly not recommended.

[@icabobcrane8984]

@loweredexpectations4927 thanks for your reply.