The Evolutions of Glavenus, Mizutsune, Astalos and Gammoth in Monster Hunter - Heavy Wings

[@HeavyWings]

Because I didn't upload for a long while, I decided to drop four episodes together! Hope you enjoy! Be sure to check out the other evolution episodes if you haven't already! kzbin.info/aero/PLiycajElJ3oZE0xTc4qM9O4tybaDF99LI&si=xsVWI94mgGbSbpxC

[@jockpackage1770]

totally agree with you on the glavenus themes, MHW/IB themes for returning monsters are generally better but this is the largest down grade by far, among the few where it is a downgrade.

[@DragonKingRaiguy]

My favorite fated four member is mizutsune, but I hate soulseer

[@Nemmy72]

The fact Gammoth wasnt added to Iceborn is criminal

[@HeavyWings]

It is kind of funny to look back at how few ice monsters were added to Iceborne.

[@stormoceaninslowmotion]

glavenus will always be the coolest brute wyvern ever. i mean how he like sharpens his tail while screaming at you looks so brutal! i love it! he seems like so mad at you...

[@thecod2345]

I didn’t grow up with the fated 4 but I adore all 4 with Glavenus being my favorite monster period. It definitely feels like the team were on their A game with all of them.

[@HeavyWings]

Honestly yeah. Introducing 4 flagship monsters at once is quite a task but they pulled it off... almost. Wish Gammoth was better.

[@alderwield9636]

i grow up with right analog stick for attacking and oneshot from rathalos backfly fireball it was horrifying

[@newusernamessuck]

I grew up with never being able to kill gore magala and nargacuga in 4U and MHGEN demos

[@TheTrueUltimateGenLifeform]

Shame I never grew up with MH cause I love biology and ecology and the designs of the monsters. Funnily enough, my first exposure to Monster Hunter was through a Minecraft mod called “Orespawn” and had a creature called “Cephadrome” and I really liked the hammerhead-dragon combo, you could even tame it too. Years later, I would actually find MH through the CGI cutscenes and the thumbnail showing Valstrax. What finally got me into this beloved series was through UHC, Unnatural History Channel, on his theories on monster behavior and ecology.

[@crystalbrook]

this is the first time i heard the word "the fated 4"

[@krika1119]

Hopefully Gammoth returns in the next game. In fact, it'd be nice to see all four return. And this time Glavenus won't suffer from World's poor weapon design. Plus we'd be able to see the G-Rank design of its armor, which was also something I was disappointed about for the returning monsters in Iceborne, with Brute Tigrex being the only returning monster to have the G-Rank armor design in the game

[@theNEWMASKSdudexxx]

I sincerely hope whoever was behind the weapon designs of World and Iceborne was fired.

[@HeavyWings]

For sure, all the Fated Four have amazing armour and weapons!

[@HeavyWings]

Hey to be fair, it seems to be the case that what they wanted was to have the bone weapons evolve slowly into original designs, because that's the case with Nergigante, Odogaron etc. They just ran out of time. Keep in mind they had to make so much from scratch for that game. Meanwhile Rise was able to have better designs yes, but not the alpha/beta sets. Sacrifices have to be made.

[@theNEWMASKSdudexxx]

@@HeavyWings They literally took away Glavenus's greatsword, his most iconic weapon, and replaced it with an ugly generic iron greatsword with a Glavenus skin.

[@rashanmcrae9166]

If they do their gonna have to put her in a pretty big snow/ ice inviroment and maybe twick her fight a bit due to her size

[@whatthebeardoin3160]

I think the biggest improvement I would give Gammoth apart from camera tricks to more properly telegraph her slams, would be to incorporate her full mass in more ways. As a quadruped creature, obviously her attacks will mostly be stomps and charges, but I think having her swing her trunk to flick at her sides if you try hugging her back leg, alternating stomps with all four legs, and having more ice projectiles in general would mix up the pace so that you have to actually worry about your positioning.

[@omega13whitelucario95]

Favorite is Definitely Gammoth and i hope she appears in the next game Next would have to be Mizutsune and especially Violet Mizutsune Its just such a good looking monster and just such a cool one as well

[@HeavyWings]

I do want Gammoth back yeah

[@omega13whitelucario95]

@HeavyWings please Tbh giving her more tusk based and frontal attacks would be interesting But yeah she definitely also needs a better map layout to work properly for her Hmmm could actually give her a charging attack that ends with a flick up that will launch your hunter

[@JGuy97]

I adore Astalos in Sunbreak. He’s my go-to training dummy for weapons and armor. Mizu’s pretty great, too, though I feel that Violet’s homing bubble spam drags the fight down a bit. I think Glavenus is great in Iceborne, even with his tail getting caught on the geometry of the locale. Gammoth exists.

[@Sunaki1000]

Small detail, Acidic is way smaller then regular Glavenus in World. I like him, he was very fun. Otherwhise my Favorit is Mizu, all the Leviathans are good.

[@alaskanpyro2931]

Phenomenal video as always! I can understand why you have each opinion on each member so I'll drop my 5 Cents worth on each version (that I've fought because I've still never played World.) Gen Ultimate Glavenus is a fun fight when you're using Adept Greatsword but I genuinely can't fight him any other way. Although that being said, it gives me a god complex when you dodge multiple attacks back to back. Same opinion on Hellblade. Mizutsune was by FAR my favorite of the four before I played Gen Ultimate. I haven't fought Soulseer yet but after watching this I might just. Violet is an AMAZING fight and experience, and upgrades Mizu just the right amount while keeping it fresh. Astalos is a pain in the ass in Gen Ultimate to me personally but he's got an amazing design, and his Rise version is just SO pretty. Gammoth is by far my favorite of the group, and I can understand the 'I really want to like it' stalemate you're at because I can see why the fight can be/be seen as sluggish or tedious with how big she is. But I love her for how fuckin' humongous she is. She's an absolute behemoth and lore wise? Arguably might be the strongest of the four. I hope she comes back and gets the overhaul she deserves. As for a fight upgrade? Maybe they can go all in on the Mammoth/Elephant aspect and use Elderfrost's snowblind when she slams down that enormous ice ball, coating the field and making it harder to A. Be seen. And B. Be heard, because elephants are actually VERY quiet walkers. So putting up a whole snowblind and having trouble keeping track of something THAT big would be interesting. Again, phenomenal video as always HeavyWings, and outstanding analysis.

[@HeavyWings]

Thank you for your kind words! Like I said I don't think Gammoth's size would be that much of an issue because World and Rise know when to zoom out the camera when needed. It's just the moveset I hope they really take a look at. Hopefully they're all reunited in the next game!

[@dylanj950]

now that MHWilds is announced, I can confidently bet on the chance that Gammoth will make a return. I haven't fought all of the Fated Four yet but Astalos is probably my favorite based on his fight in Sunbreak

[@strikerali2160]

I love all of the fated four, Astalos being my favorite. I agree on the theme change for Astalos as well it's better in practice imo. As for gammoth, I love mammoth so much because it's one of the few monsters that are purely mammalian and we need more of that in my opinion. As for her fight, I think she could benefit from an AI adjustment similar to Safi'Jiiva where she is able to target multiple people with weaker attacks mixed in with stronger ones. Also I think they should add more interactivity with her trunk but I'm sure that's hard to program!

[@LeoTheYuty]

Awesome quadrio. I can't wait for Gammoth to return, she's such an awesome monster executed so poorly.

[@HeavyWings]

100%, would be amazing to have all of them in the same game again

[@RedexTwo]

Thank you for creating this video. It was entertaining to watch, and I liked how you chose to break the monsters down.

[@HeavyWings]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@hamishstewart5324]

I think it would be cool if Gammoth got a new attack similar to Banbaro/Deviljho. What I mean is, using her tusks she can break down trees and boulders and carry them to be used as weapons, or grab smaller monsters with her trunk to swing around.

[@SwifPickler]

Rip mosswine 14:35

[@lonradb]

Glavenus is the best brute wyvern imo. He’s consistently had the cleanest and tightest fight out of all of them and his two variations are both great; Hellblade pressures you with deadly AoEs and Acidic is surprisingly agile with his combos and mixups (probably ties for best subspecies alongside Stygian Zin and Tigerstripe Zam (also his tail cut is freakishly easy to get for some reason)). It’s a shame Iceborne made his fight a bit more cumbersome and linear and I think Risebreak would’ve realised him better. Astalos is my favorite monster all around and I would say he’s the best flying wyvern but he’s up to his ears in competition for that spot. I love his erratic and violent fighting style and breaking his charged parts is extremely satisfying. Boltreaver is cool but with his moves mixed into SB base Astalos I don’t really care for him to come back. And green suits him better. Mizutsune is the best leviathan hands down. He has the most polished fight by far and feels agile and graceful while not being annoyingly big and noodley like some others do. Soulseer is a bizarre but interesting concept and it’s a shame he basically got replaced by Apex Mizu (although admittedly he does look cool) and Violet, as you said, was like the Raging Brachy of SB, being the first truly tough as nails fight in the game. Although he does contribute to the fire subspecies bloat in that game he stands out from the rest by actually mixing up the base fight in an interesting way while being more challenging (and he looks pretty). Gammoth… MH often struggles with making giant monster fights fun while also being a good spectacle. While she works well as “the immovable object” of the MH world, she’s just a big, slow, lumbering hitbox who might _occasionally_ hit you. Also I think she’s just… the least compelling design of the four. She looks awesome but she’s kind of _just_ a mammoth. Elderfrost doesn’t do much to make her less boring. I do think she should return next game but I really hope they just double down on the spectacle element and allow us to climb on top of her SoTC style or something. Giant monster fights have never made for good traditional hunts in this series.

[@jockpackage1770]

glavenus' 2 main concepts from which it was designed were both greatsword monster but also grounded rathalos. i love acidic glavenus both as a concept and as a fight. here's hoping we get subspecies for the other 3 in 6th gen. soulseer is my favorite deviant of the 4, for his concept alone, it sensing you if you are bubbled so it goes into the special soulseer state where its normal lower agression is replaced with much more agression and exploding fire bubbles. violet mizu was fun but a bit weird. for one thing, he's the first monster to get a rare species before a subspecies and him being fire again like soulseer, i don't care that apex uses hellfire, it's sad. i hope we get a multi status bubble mizu subspecies: purple bubbles for poison, yellow for paralysis, light blue for sleep, etc. that would be so much fun. the old world stygian zinogre style homing bubbles are the only interesting thing with violet mizu for me, he was such a waste. astalos was really fun in Rise, his speed and aggression make him different than most flying wyverns but for IG players he's less anoying to land air combos on that seregios. give gammonth justice MH6, i beg you, she's such a cool monster conceptually but her fight is sad. not original fatalis sad but sad.

[@HeavyWings]

I think we've had enough Mizutsune's for a while!

[@jockpackage1770]

fair enough@@HeavyWings, i'd much prefer getting astalos and gammoth subspecies. less chance to mess is up again.

[@therandomspinosaurus5717]

I overall quite like all the faded 4 members, and honestly there’s not really much I’d say to improve them other then gammoth, maybe if gammoth could perhaps kick you from behind so your not just hitting the back legs could’ve been interesting, and in general just making more use of her bulk

[@HeavyWings]

Faded Four lmao. Hell yeah man! Real talk, you're right. I wish she had a bigger moveset variety, but that can definitely happen especially if they take attacks from Elderfrost.

[@therandomspinosaurus5717]

@@HeavyWings agreed, gammoth has a lot of potential as a monster and I really hope she comes back one day so it can be properly utilized

[@amadeux5471]

EX gammoth has a lot of new moves and could kick backwards and other move sets to counter those cheesing him from behind

[@magnabueno5360]

She can kick backwards in low rank but rarely does it.

[@WinstonWhitetail]

I love thinking of Glavenous as the greatsword wyvern and Acidic Glavenous being the longsword wyvern Now we just need a crazy dual blade version XD

[@papiwulfe8485]

With wilds I totally see Gammoth being out in some tundra field and only comes out when it's "plentiful" and she has lil baby gammies with her who she protects while roaming.

[@evodolka]

Gammoth does deserve love My fave member is Glavenus by the way, dude is just so cool, as a GS user it is like a Sword fight , love it I do agree his theme is lacking, PERSONALLY I think it needs an anvil strike as a beat, not only adding some OOMF to the theme but it would be a cute reference to the fire sword thing

[@dragonriderjohann7683]

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[@HeavyWings]

Soon!

[@elsienova4269]

One thing I absolutely loved about generations and what makes it my favourite MH game gameplay wise is how every single monster really makes you use different strategies and attacks, which compliments the styles and arts. In World, Rise and even the older games, you needed to learn the movesets of monsters, but the way you react around them is mostly the same. But in Generations it felt like you needed to make use of the styles and arts to react differently to different monsters, especially the Fated Four. Mizutsune complements the adept styles on weapons perfectly as most of the evade attacks move you a lot, causing you to follow Mizu around the map better. Glavenous and Astalos complement the counters in styles like Valor or adept guards very well, and Gammoth fits the aerial styles due to her size and height. Generations and GU had its fair share of issues from quest bloat and other factors, but in my opinion they are by far the most fun MH games to date. Even farming for monsters is more fun in it because if you get bored of farming a monster, you can just use a different style for the weapon ur using, bringing variety without sacrificing efficiency. I really hope that they will bring a mechanic to mainline letting us choose from 2 "Grounded" and "Acrobatic" styles for each weapon.

[@MakutaSighkonus96]

Gammoth returning in the next Monster Hunter has to be done. Mizutsune has to be my favorite of the 4 with Astalos is close second. Rise/Sunbreak did them both justice love both fights and their weapons have always been some of my favorites. Mizutsune is my most hunted monster in Rise. Again though Gammoth needs to be in the next game along with a variant or subspecies open to either really.

[@TornaitSuperBird]

Gammoth's fight would be more interesting if she were allowed to have more lateral movement. She has virtually no spins or sideways moves. Most of the time she has difficulty attacking hunters behind her or to her flanks. This could be rectified by allowing her to fully turn around and surprise hunters. Hell, imagine getting close to a Gammoth's legs to topple her, and she rolls sideways, getting back on her feet like Magnamalo does. Or, give her new moves where she has faster speed (maybe an all-out charge) but also carries momentum. She'd hit super hard, but you'd still have time to get out of the way if you know what you're doing. Gammoth is one of the few monsters that deserves a huge overhaul. Personally, I believe that Garangolm was a test for if they could give us a new Gammoth and have her traverse various areas well enough.

[@toreole]

Evolution of gammoth: (vanishes)

[@mrsgarden4380]

Quick note! Violet Mizutsune flames can inflict Elemental defense down! And iirc is the first big monster, in main series at least, that does that!!!

[@statesminds]

Astalos is my favorite and was sad he didnt get subspecies in RiseBreak. Hopefully Gammoth returns in Wilds

[@Fade2GrayOG]

I'd love to see Gamoth brought back in Wilds. The larger open maps should make it possible. I really wanted to love Gamoth too, but I think Glavenous is my real favorite of the four.

[@Bones_MaIone]

I learned to respect how much of a bastard Astalos is when I fought his afflicted form.

[@HeavyWings]

Yeah he can be so tough!

[@Z0u1Th3Sl0w]

For Gammoth I think taking a page out of Starwar's book with the B-2 Battle Droids. Where Gammoth constantly moves forward while attacking? and perhaps introducing damage from her very steps to make it feel your battling something truly massive with strength to match?

[@TornaitSuperBird]

That would be annoying for the player. Tremors already slow down the player, but making tremors also cause damage would make the fight feel super cheap instead of actually difficult. Also, it'd be easily cheesable with bowguns.

[@Z0u1Th3Sl0w]

A lot of fights are cheese able with bow guns. Its just that a lot of monsters have anti-cheese. The problem is. Gammoth is so simple in concept that its pretty hard without reworking how we approach the fight entirely. But I wasn't talking about tremors here, I mean being under her foot while she's walking would actually damage you, a sort of slow never ending charge. Forcing the player to attack from her sides or flank while dodging her attempts to set you in front of her. Dunno, being good long while since I watched this video.

[@biggapjess1190]

all gammoth versions are my favorite hopefully the next she will return and with an awesome upgraded look. Maybe a new variant of her. That would be so sick

[@joshdame9623]

I love Gammoth! The armor and weapons were so cool looking to me! The great sword was huge and split down the middle! I hope they return

[@HeavyWings]

I love how massive all her gear is lol

[@jokig]

I don't really know what it is, but seeing Glavenus in World still somehow doesn't make sense in my brain. Like, it really feels like a figment of my imagination more than anything else in the series

[@hollycooper1405]

Do you plan on doing evolution vids for monsters like plesioth or blangonga?

[@HeavyWings]

Plesioth yes, Blangonga no.

[@LeoTheYuty]

@@HeavyWings hip check solos

[@hollycooper1405]

​@@LeoTheYutyyeah but Diablos also sucks

[@LeoTheYuty]

@@hollycooper1405 I agree, monoblos solos fr

[@dumithegreat3892]

if Gammoth comes back, the whole moveset needs a facelift. i don’t think i’ve ever been more bored, than baiting out the charge, moving to the side, and slapping her legs with a Charge Blade Super. and then her 15 variations of the same stomp just take any fun, and yeet it out the door. her G Rank sit move is cool af tho, but that was 1 move lmao

[@Strawberryshortcake389]

Wilds it looks like map/maps will be very open and massive I think gammoth might be able to work and hopefully will return. I rly hope she does also on thought on devants, bc there probably never coming back, Diablos should get a rare species that takes everything from bloodbath and more like violet maybe an arctic Diablos that’s white or they could go a variant route and another glavionous should get a full blast (no fire) rare that fights like gunlance, does the full burst, and a pin where it does point blank blast (via mouth) that’s like wyven fire. Alstalos should get a yain garuga esk variant, scared and battle harden and gets eveything boltreaver+

[@MIRKIO.]

When’s the next post???

[@HeavyWings]

Working on something bigger. Like 50 minutes.

[@DarkOptimus2910]

I feel like there should be a quest called ‘the fury of the fated four!’

[@yaboijai122]

When I finished World and it randomly showe da title called Iceborne, I was pretty hyped that maybe Gammoth might return but nope, maybe next gen

[@mindscarp]

When Glavenus sharpens its tail before a tail spin in Generations, he makes a very distinctive screeching sound effect. Unfortunately they changed the sound effect in World which I found disappointing.

[@baddragon7057]

love Astalos

[@Aeon-the-Voidmind]

I hope they have a Fated Four mission in Wilds.

[@johan9428]

Glavenus hitzones were nerfed from MHGenU to Iceborne. A direct consequence of the tenderizing mechanic. Glavenus is one of the monsters it is difficult to constantly hit a single part. Typically, in MHGenU, you hit the legs, then the head and tail after a trip or if you get an opening. But since hitzones in Iceborne were nerfed because of the tenderizing mechanic, either you tenderize both legs, the head and the tail which is a chore (close to impossible solo outside of a clagger, trip, temporal/rocksteady mantles), or you only tenderize the head and the tail, and you will feel like hitting rocks when hitting the legs + it will be very hard to trip Glavenus. Either way, the fight is worse than in MHGenU when there was no tenderizing mechanic. For the same reason, fighting Brachydios feels less fun in Iceborne than in previous games. I like the idea of grappling to a monster and attacking or sending him into a wall or off a cliff since it is more options. But I cannot understand why the developers had to introduce the tenderizing mechanic and why they didn't scrap it entirely during Iceborne year when the community as a whole was very vocal about its dislike. It brought nothing to the experience, just a tedious unnecessary step before actually fighting. That's why I am waiting impatiently for MH6. So I can play a grounded MH without the tenderizing mechanic (I dislike even more over-the-top gimmick-based gameplay like in MHGenU and MHRiseS, so these games don't cut it for me).

[@eladblaier898]

I love Glavenus and I think he is one of the more creative monsters ecology wise. Mizutsune is very cool but never managed to get down his moveset because of the weird timing. Astalos is... my kryptonite... I feel more comfortable against hazard flaming espinas with the insta charges compared to an afflicted astalos. I just can't understand his timings. never fought Gammoth but I like the design and I think fanged beasts need more diversity so hopefully next game

[@spacecrash]

Soul seer and violet mizutsune share the fire ability so maybe violet is simply a soul seer who never lost eye sight and if a violet loses eyesight it becomes soul seer

[@pitshoster401]

I'd love to see Gammoth return along with Lagiacrus

[@HeavyWings]

That would be pretty cool!

[@danielwilson217]

So, comment about glav's theme change. I think it's cause they went from trumpet to violin. So the hard brass fits glav well, but on the other hand, the violin is just too soft despite it being one of the more "screeching" of the string instruments. They did a good job at making it hard to notice, though, lol. Had to give it a real good listen. They also changed the beginning to a longer lead up and with multiple instruments. This kinda ruined it cause the first one was good as is. Felt like you turned a corner, locked eyes with glav, has the single second of "oh shit " and then the fight begins without another second to consider.

[@Colton42-d7b]

I think they should all return next game and give astalos a subspecies or variant

[@HeavyWings]

I low-key believe they all will

[@SwaxGuy]

When will you stream agian

[@HeavyWings]

Either today or Thursday or Saturday

[@SwaxGuy]

Did you stream today@@HeavyWings

[@thechugg4372]

In a better timeline Iceborne got Glavenus and Gammoth and Sunbreak got Mizutsune and Astalos :( Also it wasn't mentionned but shown at 13:07, pretty sure Astalos is the very first monster to be able to wall splat you

[@HeavyWings]

Rajang does it too. If his arms are red it's a guaranteed stun.

[@RenoKyrie]

Glavenus is rushed in Iceborne But i do like Acidic Glavenus Do wish future Gen Glav will be as good as its 4th Gen

[@stormoceaninslowmotion]

personaly i even think glavenus should be the first monster to have hard rock in stead of his music... i think his music theme does not fit him but it would be cool if they made a remake for it in mhwilds or another one. it would be so cool to see a cutscene where he roars at you in the generations style while sharpening his blade, and then you hear "scourching blade" in a metal version.🤣

[@garden6008]

Gammoth's problem is that 5th gen hunters are too fast but if you make her faster to compensate she might look goofy moving around with her large size and stumpy legs.

[@kennethsatria6607]

Elephants can walk pretty fast, I think it could work if they get a proper rhythm going, and they sure as hell can turn and swing their tusks as fast as any large animal

[@dibbo9823]

One monster id especially love to see on this channel is espinas because of its unique history of how it was originally going to be put in FU alongside lavasioth and co but got cut for community reasons

[@HeavyWings]

Espinas would be a bit tricky because I would feel the need to play through MHFrontier completely and by my estimate I'm halfway through. If it happens it will be a long while, but I do want it to happen!

[@EnergyBurst2]

Gammoth is a monster that's really cool conceptually, but as far as the fight in GU went it wasn't all that interesting in terms of attack variety even if Gammoth does deal hefty damage and feels threatening upon a first encounter.

[@Adiansyah1514]

As a glavenus fan all i can say is my boy is getting nerfed in the iceborne..

[@QTpitarianne]

Apex Mizutsune is so bad I find easier than regular, especially cause his 'big attack' ends up being just a big damage opening. Violet is good but I haven't really fought it much. GU versions of Glavenus is probably my favourite, followed by Rise Mizu (altho they botched the theme's intro imo). Astalos is wierd for me because I like both fights for slighly different reasons, in Sunbreak it is very satisfying to insta-block (lance) a majority of his attacks while in GU making use of dodges and positioning around it is a real different kind of challenge I enjoy as a lancer. GU Mizu and Gammoth just fall flat for me, with Gammoth just feeling like a DPS check more than a real fight. Will have to check out the deviants soon. A real reason I think Gammoth fails for a lot of people is she doesn't have a solid gimmick. Glavy is a sword mon who forces aggression, Astalos charges up and gains new moves and weakspots, Mizu has bubbles and mobility but Gammoth is just big and does tremors. Oh and Qurio investigations completely ruin Astalos, bastard never charges up in time so I feel forced to take shock traps or fail the DPS check.

[@HeavyWings]

I used to really struggle with Apex Mizu back in the day lmao, but yeah he's not too bad. Agree with what you say about the others mostly, especially about Gammoth's like of a central gimmick. I feel like it's supposed to be the snow on her legs? But it's not something you really pay attention to. I didn't know that about the Anomalies. I know Zinogre acts really weird where he can only be afflicted when fully charged, maybe they should have done that for Astalos too, at least when he's charged a bit.

[@Dastardly_Duo]

What does clutch claw have to do with these monsters? Just don't use it

[@MrLoksid]

Sansutzune Undertale

[@Gloop-de-Gale]

People still waiting for gamoth to return 😕

[@micahfurlow2624]

Since Wilds has the most open maps of the series, I'm very sure that gammoth has a good case for returning If she doesn't for 2 Gens in a row I'm going to cry :[

[@Gloop-de-Gale]

@@micahfurlow2624 we will pray for

[@omegon2540]

Gamoth has beeen done dirty The knly one not in the 5th grn and in storeys its the ONLY monstue with slow stat growth THR ONLY ONE

[@HeavyWings]

Wow really? I barely used her in Stories, that's so wild lmao poor Gammoth

[@17deluxe28]

Glavenus's theme in Iceborne makes me cringe every time I fight it. A shame, bc I love Acidic Glavenus so much.

[@neolordie]

the apex mizu feel like a rip off, it goes for a lot of apex tbf, it's pretty sad

[@reallynotsogoldenisopod]

At least it changes coloration unlike the rest of the rampage apexes

[@vengeflyking2722]

I like the Fated 4 a lot but honestly I don’t know what to do with Gammoth. Mainly her moveset is too small and…each time she puts on armor it’s so annoying. Only thing that ever killed me from her. My ranking would be 1 GU Glavenus 2 Acidic Glavenus 3 Rise Astalos 4 Violet Mizu 5 Hellblade 6 Boltreaver 7 Rise Mizu 8 Soulseer 9 GU Mizu 10 Apex Mizu 11 Elderfrost 12 World Glavenus 13 Gammoth

[@HeavyWings]

"I don't know what to do with Gammoth" is probably what Capcom are thinking tbh. You can really see the vision but it didn't work out.

[@LloydTheZephyrian]

My rankings for the Fated Four and their variants. 1.) Mizutsune. The fight is better in Rise, but the GU fight is still fun. 2.) Glavenus. GU version is better, but the World one is fine. 3.) Astalos. A love-hate one for one, but it's a case of being so fun as long as I maintain momentum. 4.) Gammoth. The literal only redeeming factor for me is the theme. Everything else is boring or just not good. I would be perfectly okay with Gammoth never returning in any way. I think Gammoth is the worst monster in the series because I feel nothing for her. I hate Seregios, Velkhana and Congalala way more than Gammoth, but with those three, I at least feel SOMETHING.

[@kaymancutoff]

Glavenus is goat in GU, total disappointment in World. Mizu is great in GU, even better in Rise. Violet is one of the best monsters in the series imo, especially hazard version. Same for Astalos, great in GU, even better in Rise. Gammoth is total meh, idea is cool, but fight itself leaves a lot to be desired.

[@HeavyWings]

I mostly agree, yeah.