Hebrew Roots Cult? My Thoughts

[@leahashmore7698]

i needed this video!

[@Bouncer83]

Hey it's good to hear you keep the commandments, I will say something which you did get wrong. The only 2 times Yahushua is asked how to get eternal life he told them to obey the commandments. He had the same message as Yahuah had in the OT. Obedience is why he gives us his grace. There's no grace for those who don't obey no matter how much they believe or read their bibles. Paul is the only one with that message and as someone who doesn't accept false apostles I don't have his writings messing with the truth. Try find one person other than Paul that says we don't have to obey the commandments to be good with Yahuah and you won't. No salvation for the lawless people need to wake up. Great message sis.

[@ferventlyfaithful]

Let me ask you this - let's say that you are a parent. You adopt a child into your family and they come from a very difficult background where they were raised with completely different family rules. Nevertheless, you are determined to be a good parent to them and you understand that they will need time to unlearn the things they had been taught that go against the standard of your home. It's not easy though, and they are stubborn and rebellious, yet deep down they love you and you know they're not an entirely bad child. You're out hiking in the woods with your kids and you clearly instruct them to stay on the path and away from the edge of any cliffs, because the path is slippery and they could fall. The majority of your children listen, but you see this one rebellious child getting closer and closer to the edges as they run and play with the others. You sternly remind them again, even pulling them aside before you reach the summit of the mountain and you tell them clearly they need to obey your voice on this matter or they'll end up hurt. Despite all the warnings, instruction, and clear commands this child fails to listen. As you are all resting at the summit of the hike, you hear a faint scream for help - you leap up and race towards the sound only to find the rebellious child hanging from a root of a tree off the edge of a cliff. They slipped and fell, but they're still within close enough reach that you can rescue them, although there will be risk involved for both you and your child. Do you, being a good and loving parent, rescue your adopted child? Or do you claim, "They've broken my clear commandments - there is no salvation for them." The correct answer is that you rescue them and hold them close to comfort them - you gently scold them for being disobedient but you also recognize they come from a life where they knew no better and, given time, they will one day realize that what you do for them is for their benefit, not their harm. Yeshua clearly teaches in Matthew 5:19 that whoever disobeys even the least of the commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in His Kingdom - it does not say these rebellious children will be barred from His Kingdom. Paul teaches the exact same thing - do you not know that many twist Pauls words to make it seem like he teaches antinomianism, when in fact he is openly pronomian and his words line up entirely with Yeshua's and the gospel he preaches is the same as the rest of the disciples? Do not be so easily swayed by the voice of people who seek to diminish the abounding grace of YHVH by twisting the message. It is by grace we are saved, through faith - it is a gift of YHVH and not earned by works so that no human might boast. Just as Abraham was saved by the grace of YHVH through faith, so too was David, Elijah, Gideon, and the rest of the great men and women in Israel. If faith is genuine, it will lead to good fruit produced by the Holy Spirit, who will be at work in your life. If that faith is weak, it will produce little fruit, but there will still be evidence. Do not compare the life of a believer who walks in humility, submission, and with endurance before YHVH to a believer who is a difficult and rebellious child. The Father loves each one just the same and is patient beyond measure, desiring that none might be separated from Him. As those who follow YHVH's commandments, we ought to diligently pursue obedience to Him, teaching those around us the joy of walking in His way of righteousness. Do not become puffed up with a spirit of exclusivity or pride, thinking that you are above reproach for obedience to honouring shabbat, the feast days, and the food laws. Just like YHVH rebuked Israel for their obedience to His commands with hearts that were hard to His voice, perhaps you too could be failing to see how He desires to work on your life in regards to anger, patience, self-control, or the management of your finances. I have seen believers in YHVH (ones who celebrate pagan holidays, ignore His feasts, and believe Yeshua is their sabbath rest so they don't observe shabbat) also turn and be the most servant hearted in the body of Messiah when it comes to feeding the poor, caring for the orphan and widow, worshipping YHVH with their entire heart, and laying everything down to go where He asks them to go. Just because they have not yet had the beauty of Torah revealed to them by His Spirit does not mean they are not just as much a part of His family as those who do observe His Torah. When Yeshua warned against those who are workers of lawlessness, He is not telling us that only those who perfectly understand and obey Torah will be welcomed into His Kingdom. It is the exact same as YHVH said through the prophets - He speaks of the matter of the heart. Is their heart's deepest desire to please and honour Him or to please and honour their flesh? Recall that even Israel forgot and "lost" the Torah when they were in the diaspora after the Babylonian exile, yet passages like Ezekiel 18 show us that YHVH will forgive and welcome them home when their heart turns back to Him in repentance - this is the same gospel message Yeshua and Paul and John and James preach. If you put YHVH in a box, you only limit your ability to see Him at work, because He does not fit in a box - He never has and He never will. Shalom.

[@Bouncer83]

@@ferventlyfaithful When the kingdom comes he'll be ruling the whole world. Revelation still says that there's dogs and sorcerers etc outside the walls. Also might want to read all the translations you can of the gospels as there are some minor changes that totally change perspective. Our opinions don't matter and I think Yahuah is pretty clear what happens to sinners and what defines sin. There's no anger in my message either I'm just stating what I know. My family are born again and have been all my life and I'm 40. They're loving and kind but they still don't follow Torah, read Isaiah 24 and tell me I'm wrong. I agree with a lot of what you said though and I had the same optimism one time and avoided future prophecy because of it. Sadly we are told how it is. In Matthew 7:23 he rejects the good people that won't obey a few simple commandments. I'm not perfect it's by grace I'm saved too and it's still a gift. We know Yahuahs seal is his Torah and that's who is sealed in Revelation.