Helicopter Armbar OR Helicopter Triangle? (A Gracie Debate)

[@MikeMikeYT]

Rener: "We don't agree on a lot of things." Ryron: "That's not true."

[@YesitisDex]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@GracieBreakdown]

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[@jameswhelan1066]

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[@duncansutherland47]

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[@Malik-Abdulhadi]

I would rather call it a triangle lift instead of helicopter because he doesn't spin

[@lathanaiwohi3248]

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[@odhrancoyle3763]

GracieBreakdown love you guys

[@devitomichael]

I’m team helicopter into another helicopter - I get my opponent spinning so fast that he passes out from centrifugal force -

[@dogman5791]

I'm more into helicopter Into reverse helicopter. I make my opponent spin me then I slam into his face with my forehead

[@delmarsimpson25]

​@@dogman5791the helicopter crash

[@delmarsimpson25]

Or just flies away from the helicopter motion

[@TheArtofGuitar]

Helicopter Upkick for the win! ;)

[@da_swaws6165]

Ouch.... that is simple... but effective

[@aegis4398]

Helikopter head kick more effective

[@rodrigorodriguez509]

truly street minded

[@cunn1n6ham]

Hahaha Ryron doesn’t agree with Rener about not agreeing 🤣love it...fun vid. Helicopter triangle 🔥

[@disgruntledwookie369]

That was hilarious when Ryron forced himself into the armbar :'D "armbar!", "nooo!", "armbar!! look"

[@jamesmackinnon8247]

4:18 "like a baby orangutan grabbing it's mother" this is why I come here.... Classic.

[@mattg3537]

I choose unconscious opponent over an opponent with broken bones

[@prandz420]

Matt G armbar can be much easier to get against big opponents sometimes too though. And it’s less fatiguing if you go for it and fail. Desperately trying for a triangle and failing will leave you completely gassed and defenceless

[@mattg3537]

prandz420 I don’t know this really is a tough debate... I mean a helicopter sub is already just risky overall so like Rener said just getting the opponent up in the air is the toughest part, so I think once the opponent is in the air it’s a 50/50 either way you’ve got a successful sub unless the opponent has good enough instincts to stop either submission by standing for arm bar or getting the arm in like Ryron showed. So I just say go with the choke over the arm bar because it’s the more threatening. And honestly in a street scenario i’m going arm bar over triangle all day since it’s so much easier to release while a triangle is just asking to be slammed Matt Hughes Vs. Carlos Newton style

[@sory4beinanonymous]

Choke them out, then break their arm. That’s what coach teaches us always

[@yjstevechoi]

Stop at Chicago or direct flight? Hahaha, anyone else feel me?😏👍🏼 Love these guys👊🏼

[@RoniRonkoKovatch]

Only the dedicated fans/subscribers will know the reference to "stop in chicago" :-D

[@RoniRonkoKovatch]

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[@duncansutherland47]

These two are why I fell in love with Jiu-Jitsu, thank you! 🙏❤️

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[@mattmcdonald8348]

When Ryron forced himself into the arm bar 😂😂😂😂

[@sonicfx5431]

Ikr I love it 😂

[@BlueSamosa]

3:09 “calm down” 😂😂😂

[@robbied123]

love both, but the armbar i did to a tough brownbelt training partner of mine whos like 50 pounds heavier and in the process my body-side foot got stuck in the gi and nearly broke as i spun him into the lock... After that i started doing the triangle more and its been clutch in competition! great vid thanks!

[@katanaburner]

I love these guys!!! Making Jiu-Jitsu fun since...forever!

[@seamac7564]

Old Blue belt here. Love, love, love these videos; your enthusiasm is contagious now I just want to roll.

[@bobbydobalina]

Helicopter Arm•bar or Helicopter Triangle....? Answer: Yes

[@4bidn.Knwldg]

The passion you guys have is so beautiful 💯

[@1sunstyle]

I like the armbar because my intro was Pedro Sauer Path To Black Belt and he always liked to say "and into the armbar." Many people feel that is one of the most effective joint locks. Love, Mike.

[@theone4572]

Love it! Brothers dynamics is contagious!

[@love2fight205]

Helicopter Triangle squad for life! I wish I could train with you guys

[@pacibaco]

Hilarious banter ... but a hellofalotta great information as well ! Super stoked you two are out there giving as this great information!

[@Kre8or333]

You guys are hilarious. The energy with you two is awesome. -- The answer is like Yin and Yang, it's both...

[@YoxfordBoy]

BEAUTIFUL TECHNIQUE as always

[@brandonmcninja]

Love it, fun one to practice on your kids 😂

[@chrisblanchard4938]

That was great. I liked the Triangle arm bar.

[@alexandrab1954]

I love their relationship 😅 It's a privilege to be able to learn from them in Torrance.

[@samwalker3441]

You guys are so awesome. I have no idea which one. Either one would kick my butt.

[@aydennation8892]

Both options are valid and have different applications. Triangle: heavier opponents because it requires less finesse; Arm Bar: more inexperienced or lighter opponents because its unexpected.

[@ariAMG]

Damn guys you must make more videos,, you give us good vibes

[@Anonymous-ym6jq]

This is the most fantastic videos. I love the knowledge, and the brother dynamic reminds me of my own brothers. Keep up the amazing vids, mad respect for you both and of course the Gracie family!

[@jessemunerz3070]

I like both of them cause armbar and choke are very successful you guys are awesome!!!!

[@emdauph6270]

"We don't agree on a lot of things but we work em out" "That's not true"

[@papersamurai]

Helicopter sweep, position before submission 😎

[@keithminnich4017]

How absolutely cool would it be to have Ryron or Rener as your very own private/personal BJJ coach/mestre? Mannnnn that would be glorious haha. One can dream! Love both of these guys.

[@surfersoldierforchrist5928]

U can ! Join Gracy university in Torrance both brothers teach all levels of classes its amazing!

[@nikander82]

So much fun learning from this two😍

[@seabass6139]

They remind me of two baby lions play-fighting

[@jitsu30]

“I use you as a swiiiingset...” Now there are 51 Shades Of Gray! You guys are the best!!

[@Xentrick]

You guys have so much fun!

[@corymoore8562]

Haha, the debate mid drill is always hilarious and awesome.

[@darrenstettner1332]

Love the debate style teaching method. The material sticks better.

[@roberttompkins9991]

The nIce thing about BJJ is that for every nice move there is a nice counter and a counter to that.

[@user-do8xf6bc8d]

“I only talk about street fights”🤣🤣 luv it

[@doodreally]

Up kick 3 times to triangle. I also love doing standing arm bar and a standing guillotine!!!! 4 years down and I cannot stop training! Can’t wait to get my two boys in there 🤙🏽

[@Lixgrib]

Gotta go with the armbar just because the spin looks so dope ;-)

[@kevintuliper6438]

I love you guys great 2 learn more from u both. Gratefull 4 life!!

[@richardturner1579]

Without doubt the triangle choke for the reasons Rener stated. Under adrenaline or drugs a broken arm isn’t necessarily going to stop someone in a fight. However you can’t fight if you are unconscious.

[@j.b.708]

i still remember the first time i saw a helicopter armbar, i still consider it the prettiest move in JJ.

[@Butterflylo328]

Awesome and fun to watch 👍

[@DrReginaldFinleySr]

Wow.. they both look sweet as hell! lol. I agree with Rener though. Flexibility is an issue with the helicopter armbar and submission resistance is more likely. The helicopter triangle does have a flaw as well but recovery seems easier and submission resistance is minimal (and it looks more awesome). lol.

[@apollohmiv42]

Life and jiu jitsu are like surfing. You can plan on what you want to do. But you have to wait and see what the wave is going to do in order to flow & surf the wave. So be ready and learn to flow.

[@capitanjack2320]

The only advertisment i like to watch because of the little jokes, si funny xd

[@LyubomirDimitrovSilverbackbg]

I literally watched this episode like 5-6 times already :)

[@mrspartan671]

You two are hilarious lol and the arm bar is style points

[@jorgeherrera1074]

I love this style of video!!

[@gomcse]

Do more of these! Great video.

[@jojotorres20]

Helicopter arm bar for life plus looks more fancy 👌😎

[@abberantgeck0]

That was super entertaining... Gonna go with....ahhhhh... Can't decide.

[@realtauks1940]

I'll go with arm bar because my legs are not long enough to secure a triangle unless I need more attention to training when practicing the triangle.

[@nosaj666]

Could you imagine what a family cookout was like? Kids a family rolling all over the place

[@ryanwolf1869]

helicopter triangle all the way!

[@Dude-tv6cj]

If you going for the triangle, what’s to stop the top guy from simply pulling his left arm back and stopping the whole move?

[@teabone5723]

For sure bro 💯

[@kylieminou7775]

Just in time for the holidays! Helicopter armbar! Be the soul of the party!

[@punisherrashed]

Triangle for sure it is very smooth, fast and you can't defense it in any way.. you have no chance but sleep

[@JDG.RealEstate]

I really love this interaction

[@RenzDavis]

Blue belt from Manchester, Nh (Gracie university, Manchester Gracie) It depends on how the opponent is parachuting. I prefer the arm bar as it can transition to the triangle. However the triangle also has it's benefits. Nutshell answer: Both have their pros and cons. Use them accordingly to the opponent.

[@turmat01]

I'm on team Ryron on that one! I absolutely do NOT have the credentials to have a valid opinion on this, but I pulled a beautiful helicopter armbar once, and it felt like a million bucks. XD

[@ncooty]

Arm-bar: 1. I find it harder to set up and lock the triangle. 2. In my experience, more people can get out of an imperfect triangle than an imperfect arm-bar. I don't want to need perfection. 3. You're more exposed to strikes with a triangle than with an arm-bar. 4. The arm-bar is more reliable than the triangle in no-gi. When setting up a triangle, it's hard to keep good control of the elbow on a sweaty arm.

[@RoxDZoro]

I find triangles to be better , but triangles are my best technique , I've practiced them the most .

[@valizeth4073]

Actually statistics of fights show that the triangle is the only technique that increases in success rate after getting your leg over. Always fight for your triangle, even though it's bad.

[@ncooty]

@Vali Zeth: Do you have a link to that info? I'd be interested in looking into that.

[@NoMercyYan]

Triangle can put u unconscious and without irreparable damage. And i believe u never get out of a tight triangle. also some strong dudes can fight through the pain even if their arm is broken they can come at u and attack if somehow get out. With triangle, u cant fight through cuz u just have no air. Cant fight that. Feel me?

[@ncooty]

@yonathan L: Totally valid points and I completely agree, but my triangle set-up just isn't that reliable... yet.

[@keitheager6023]

Helicopter triangle because it works from the standard guard pull and yoko tomoe nage 🔥

[@towelietowel4513]

2:27 Rener only talks about street fights then demonstrates the importance of grips on a gi lmaooo

[@canunotg]

Hahaha this was so good. This reminds me of the triangle from the mount debate you two had years ago. Don’t stop in Chicago I’m team Helicopter arm bar

[@gifts4everyseason]

These guys have me wanting to buy every shirt and hoodie

[@Tommybgoode]

This was a great video! I’m team arm bar all the way.

[@lizaalsantiago8962]

Nice gear guys!! 👍🏼✊🏼😉😃

[@MrAjpalkow]

You guys are amazing 🤘

[@giuseppegallocorvus]

You are amazing guys! I opened the video for jujitsu, loved it for the style and the lines! ...oh, by the way, flying triangle every day🤣 Worst thing that can happen there is that your rolling buddy gets kicked in the face, with a flying armbar anything coud go wrong when you don't master it yet. On the street, might be better to have the guy unconscious (safer from the legal point of view too), in a competition people don't tap anymore if they don't risk to get injured... beside that everybody expects a flying armbar when they get lifted from the hips 🤣

[@Cert116]

My legs are too short to catch most people in triangle effectively, so I'm Team Armbar all the way.

[@GKang93]

I suggest you watch John Danahers video on the triangle. You just need more angle than someone with long legs

[@Cert116]

@@GKang93 Thanks for the tip! Great video with lots of useful information.

[@LuisGonzalez-ph8zp]

Great breakdown love it thank you guys

[@colstonbrandon8516]

Let’s get these guys to 1million before 2020

[@MrSativacyborg]

You guys are rad! Ive always liked triangles better. I feel like I have more control

[@YoxfordBoy]

Awesome as always guys

[@lndn787]

so bascically this is video should be titled "we were arguing on which helicopter submission someone be the judge of this"

[@betovargas2098]

Helicopter Triangle! ♻️

[@ecc-qe2wh]

I choose both :D

[@christianmcnally4323]

This is hilarious and amazing

[@lawnmowerchoke_9038]

Well, the diameter of my thighs is the same as my inseam, soooo no fancy triangles in my game

[@robertsunday8445]

They make those look so easy

[@sory4beinanonymous]

This was an awesome technique video

[@kennyborland4399]

Reminds me of the classic mounted triangle debate! I fly direct.

[@dpawsum4120]

Love these guys

[@stuff485]

wicked stuff but one question what if your a ridiculously short person trying to pull that off?

[@shawn7219]

Going with Ryron on this one!

[@alexgarza2759]

Armbar for life

[@07Stylist]

I love these guys

[@jcambo1025]

Helicopter arm bar seems easier to apply, both are effective moves!

[@imivaxo9225]

Baby orangutan 🦧 .. I’m dyingggggf

[@connerwreford3083]

Both are cool but I love the armbar

[@joberodrigues9635]

I am old school, helicopters arm bar all day! Além de ser visualmente um ataque mais bonito.

[@schmiwtzanmoonsuite]

Lol baby monkey grabbing its mother XD hilarious!

[@zackshelley513]

Overhead sweep to mount!

[@HotInTheKitchen26]

This was such a fun video