Hell is Other Phoebes, Archie (Witch Way Now?) (Charmed Rewind)

[@turbotime1964]

Paige: "We were given these powers for a reason!" Phoebe: "Do I have to get you fired too?"

[@aliceemmons181]

Imagine S3 of Buffy but Buffy blames Angel for everything he did while he wasn’t even in control of his body + then stakes him saying “Love wasn’t enough”

[@angelofthe2000s]

Angel is way more responsible for Angelus than Cole was for being possessed and I still would have been like wtf. It’s terrible writing and very unsympathetic to have your main character go from hopelessly in love to sentencing her beloved to eternal hell for no good reason.

[@mrgrumpy888]

If you didn't feel like Phoebe is a horrible character and human being before, this episode will forever solidify that in your mind.

[@kamui003]

You'd think that but there's a ton of Cole hate out there. A ton relative to the amount of people that argue about Cole and Phoebe that is.

[@B0K0691]

The charmed subreddit is awful about this​@@kamui003

[@phonybeautrain6520]

50:32 I lost it when Phoebe said that meeting Paige wasn't worth it. I know there is no place for other people is Phoebe's heart than herself.... But please Charmed Staff, At least make Phoebe pretend to care about her sisters if she is supposed to be the heart of the show!

[@bryanfagan8284]

I listened to the Shannen Doherty podcast after you mentioned it here. Interesting that this is an episode written by Brad Kern, because during that podcast Holly Marie Combs mentioned that he would also "polish" everyone else's scripts as well. If Piper says "we're screwed" in an episode you know The Kernel put his touch on it.

[@turbotime1964]

Yes, this was a very important episode of Charmed. This episode had the first known instance of Phoebe worship by an underling at the newspaper workplace. Charmed was never the same after that.

[@brq034]

28:06 LMFAO Headcanon: Alyssa probably asked for Astral Projection in her season 4 contract. "And use the same effect too! mheheeheehehe"

[@georgiewalker5826]

I think the most underrated comment in this podcast was from Randy when he says "Did Phoebe just go to this demonic wasteland so she could allow Cole the honour of kissing her ring finger before he moved on to hell for eternity"

[@user-lb9xw4xf2q]

"Love Wasn't Enough" sounds like the name of Disney Villain Song.

[@falsettetr5765]

As soon as I saw the thumbnail, I audibly said, "Oh no, it's this one."

[@Faction.Paradox]

Hell would be entering the Phoebeverse, infinite Phoebe variants

[@nenadjankovic2061]

Crisis of infinite Phoebes lol

[@Shades14]

That'd be an Avengers AND Justice League level threat! And even then, I doubt many of the heroes would survive it!

[@nenadjankovic2061]

​@@Shades14No one talks like that about the Great Phoebe One, MISOGYNY!!

[@Mike0908]

it'd end with them accidentaly leaving alyssa into the unaired pilot universe and taking lori rom by mistake? unaired pilot phoebe is a lot better than later seasons phoebe.

[@DavidSeesholtz]

THAT is a new nightmare lol

[@Rayon_Rayon]

Phoebe use to be my favorite as a child, I was young and stupid and didn't realize how awful her character became, well atleast starting season 3, as an adult Prue is my favorite followed by Piper

[@Bandy123]

So let me see: You have grown, admitted that your were wrong and on reflection changed your opinion... Sorry nope Phoebe does not approve... to worm graboid hell with you!!! :P

[@DavidSeesholtz]

I like Prue and Billy. Paige until she sniffed the hag potion lol.

[@Levi_Parish]

@@DavidSeesholtzred headed Paige is my favorite(even though people tend to not like most of the fairytale storylines they don’t bother me) followed by beginning Paige and then Prue. I’m fully aware it’s because I watched it as a teenager, but Prue is so far down because of how rigid she could be. As an adult I understand, but for nostalgia sake I just can’t move her up on the line up.

[@charmedone3524]

•The show makes it seem like Piper had to open the van door to freeze Agent Jackman because he is in a “room” and her freeze wouldn’t effect in if the door is closed. (The whole she can only freeze what’s in the room she’s in) •Leo needs to touch people to orb them •How can Phoebe miss her powers when she never uses them? •They’ve never met Demon who could freeze time. (Piper is a liar) •Paige does have the power of “Sensing” but she never uses it. She only uses it a handful of times in the show.

[@Omnicrom]

You expected Bruce Campbell but you got flashbanged by the Phoebe one! Truly she is the source of all evil.

[@TheCrippledEgg]

You know, they could have made Phoebe sympathetic here and in season 5 if they focused on the loss of her unborn child and the trauma associated with it instead of blaming Cole for everything or "will she ever find love again?".

[@Mike0908]

they act like it was always the source's child but the seer herself said the baby was destined to be a powerful good witch. so they changed the baby's future by turning it evil. but the seer even says in her final episode in that arc that it was never phoebe's baby. and even the sisters act like it was always the source's baby. so maybe she rationalized away as it was never my baby. just another demon. or feels lke that.

[@atmaeon]

Charmed should be a case study on why good/evil dichotomies should not be written by Narcissists. XD

[@LaNoLaCola]

What a charming way to start the new year, and with our evil overlord phoebe too

[@Rayon_Rayon]

Lol

[@brandyloutherback9288]

@@Rayon_Rayon Actually Piper is the Evil Overlord, Phoebe is just her worker bee!

[@cannibalisticrequiem]

​@brandyloutherback9288 The Great Pheobe One subordinate to Piper the Harpy? Never!

[@plokijm22]

It's my day off for the first time since Christmas, and I was sat there this morning like "I wonder if Alison and Phelan are gonna do another charmed rewind soon?" And BAM. Merry newnyear. Thank you!!!

[@queenb7013]

What a nightmare: Piper finding out she's pregnant at the end of this episode

[@Rayon_Rayon]

Lol you Said nightmare 🤣

[@cedricdallaire3324]

True omg when the baby comes the show is just so boring from s5 to 7 tbh

[@alionfish5]

It was a dark sign of what was to come

[@gracestarkes2644]

Considering how Bruce Campbell really commits to his roles, to say he wastes his talent in this speaks volumes.

[@queenb7013]

What an awesome way to kick off 2024, thanks guys!!!

[@SwiftNimblefoot]

This show never disappoints to make me hate the main characters. #JusticeForCole

[@riccardoleone4265]

You're DESTINED to rewatch all the episodes of the Phoebe Queen of the Underworld arc. Aren't you?

[@DavidSeesholtz]

Well...maybe? I mean, it is fun to laugh at, right?

[@user-lb9xw4xf2q]

Okay, "Bring Me A Magic" might equal, if not surpassing, "CarMan."

[@trevingrayek1671]

Peter continuing to drop them amazing tracks. Makes having to listen about the ultimate evil that is Phoebe more bearable.

[@georgeprchal3924]

Is there fanfiction where Cole kills Phoebe? I'd totally read that.

[@jeffbroadbent5072]

I always cheer up hearing "Welcome back to Charmed Rewind!" You have such a nice voice to listen to Allison.

[@AllisonPregler]

Aw thanks!

[@sockpuppy8811]

Charmed Audience: Sure, the Queen of Evil and abuse of Cole killed Phoebe's character, and the baby plotline didn't help, But least it can't get worse from there seeing how Cole is dead this time. Phoebe: Hold my column...

[@gbrown932]

Thanks Colebama!

[@TamB89]

Between Shannen and Milano, they definitely made the worst choice possible

[@alp8492]

Just on the whole "it doesn't affect Leo" thing... how would that even work? If Piper gave up her powers for a normal life, what would happen there? Would Leo have to become human too to fulfil the normal life wish? Seems like that would affect him. Or does Piper have a 'normal magic-free life' still married to a Whitelighter? Even if the Angel of Destiny could arrange it so the magic demon world stayed on its side of the fence and left Piper alone, she'd still have to deal with a husband who occasionally has to orb out to go save a witch, or comes home with a Darklighter arrow in the butt.

[@brandyloutherback9288]

Because Phoebe was truly the victim in all of this! Shut all the way up, Charmed! Phoebe is obligated to fix a mess she helped create, at this point! But Phoebe would rather pick the lazy option! This episode makes me so mad, I can't even!

[@frankholcomb7920]

Ty so much Allison for addressing the Shannon podcast

[@phonybeautrain6520]

The whole Destiny Angel thing sounds less more a congratulations gift and more like them trying to swept the Charmed Ones under the rug when it turned out that they were less than stellar heroes

[@171QA]

Any place with Phoebe in it is Hell.

[@telvinricks1677]

The craziest thing is that cole is human, fully his human soul is what was trapped in the wasteland and Phoebe fully was prepared to leave a technical innocent down there, she is just a special mix of something.

[@johnhutchinson7343]

Trying to imagine if David Hasselhoff took the same approach to Mitch Buchannon. "All I do anymore is save people from drowning. It's so draining. What about my feelings? I just can't take the pressure of being so awesome. I need some Me Time."

[@Wraiven22]

This is one of those peak “Phoebe and Piper are such terrible people that they should have brought back witches being burned at stakes *just* for them” episodes. I can’t even rewatch this show without hearing your voice impressions now 😂

[@DavidSeesholtz]

I can't remember...did you do the episode where Pheobe gets possessed by a demon, and Piper kills her? Love that 2 seconds😂🎉

[@Kriseiri]

Phoebe Goes To Hell: The Final Charmed evil has finally found a home

[@MyMagnificentOctopus]

If they had shown Leo at the volcano we could have had an Olsen twins/Charmed volcano crossover episode. Leo saves the Olsen twins from marshmallow miners.

[@XIII52]

All the Cole talk makes me wish there were a Charmed Christmas special where the sisters got coal from santa, and so went on a quest to destroy him. At the end it turns out he was influenced by a succubus posing as mrs. clause and actually intended to give them all amazing gifts because they're sooo special.

[@Nagoragama]

"Can I Borrow a Magic" really cracked me up

[@nitalin2491]

No way! Not my Allison and Phelan! Lol I been waiting on ya'll! Missed ya'll! Happy New Year!!!!!!!!!! Looks I'll be watching this one several times like the others 😂

[@katsand92]

No no no, I'm not the angel of Destiny, I'm the Angel of DENSITY. I'm just here to make sure gravity is working

[@brandonchilders2115]

I am pretty sure once Leo told Cole, "you have to hold my hand" before they orbed...or maybe I dreamt it

[@PittsburghSportsFan43]

I think you're thinking of when Cole told Prue that in The Good The Bad and The Cursed before they shimmered to the old west town.

[@Itcouldbebunnies]

Phoebe: You know, there's this beautiful song that describes exactly what I'm going through right now. It goes like this (starts singing in her shrieky witch voice) "Well, you told me that you wished that things had not turned out this way You never thought there'd come a time When I would go away But you kept on harassing me Even when my love was gone And just because you're hurting That don't mean that I've done something wrong Well, you said I should be sorry And take on all the blame But I don't feel empathy So go choke on the pain Like a breeze that blew across you I just moved along And just because you're hurting That don't mean that I've done something wrong" Cole: I'm pretty sure that's not quite right, Phoebe. Phoebe: Excuse me? Don't you know that only I, The Great Phoebe One, gets to decide what's right and what's wrong? Go to hell, Colebama! P.S. If you ever feel like watching/reviewing a completely insane movie where you end up feeling for Alyssa's character, try 'Fear' (1996).

[@Justitia_Nomen]

Phoebe not taking accountability once again

[@GrecianWarlock]

I look forward to these so much!

[@Surgemaster2012]

Phoebe was always my least favorite Charmed One, even back when I was an adolesent. Season 3 planted the seeds with her relationship with Cole, but Season 4 after they vanquish the source she becomes the worst character on the show, and a lot of the show's worst writing stems from her that's not related to bad continuity or weird writing flaws. I know a lot of people who side with Phoebe in this situation, but for me this is a clear case of uneven gender roles, where Cole's side NEVER gets taken into consideration, regardless of what flaws he did play on his part (as he admittedly wasn't perfect) he at least suffers consequences for them, Phoebe does not. In fact she is reward with a new boyfriend in Jason, becomes a celebrity for her column. Especially when they ignore the fact that Cole NEVER wanted to become the source, he just became that way because the Seer manipulated him into becoming the next source. He just took in the hollow to save the Charmed Ones, and is visibly angry at the Seer when he finds out the next episode. And his influence even saved the sisters in a couple cases. He only gets doomed to be the source because Phoebe vanquished the wizard, and while tempted by the Seer it was HER choice! And when Cole suffers her consequences she decides to leave him in hell because its too much of a bother for her. In Season 5 when Cole comes back she assaults him multiple times, gaslights him into always thinking he could be evil and ultimately creates the version of him he becomes in season 5, its actually a very realistic case of mental abuse. Paige and Prue are my favorites personally and this episode has one of Paige's best outings, I hate how in comparison to Piper and Phoebe her perspective on things, especially when it comes to magic is never taken into account, they were just going to make the choice for her! There's even an episode where she condemns Cole for killing two people at a bar for self defense (who were crooks btw) yet in the very next season Phoebe and Paige use magic to get a criminal killed as punishment. Or any other time they have killed people. Or how she doesn't like how Cole killed a man who was about to expose them in the Superhero episode, yet in Season 7 they are fine with leaving Inspector Sheridan in a comatose state because she wanted to expose them! The hypocrisy of the Charmed Ones is beyond infuriating in later seasons. If you couldn't tell, even as a Charmed fan, Phoebe sucks and so does this episode. lol And I love Season 4, she is the Margoyle easily, she's the worst! Paige is the Carman. It also really does seem like Alyssa Milano was the common demoniator in the Charmed drama, especially when it came to Shannen and Rose, I support Shannen 100%

[@gracestarkes2644]

Bruce Campbell’s “Boomstick" magic wasn’t groovy enough for Charmed.

[@grkpektis]

@54:33 I love that analogy it perfectly sums up these horrible characters

[@gracekim1998]

Dang what a title! 😂

[@BTZombie88]

So glad you posted this shortly after I finished all the Charmed season review videos and also the reboot episodes, which I had to take a break from because the reboot is breaking my brain. At least I have that 90s WB nostalgia for the original.

[@TheGabygael]

on the whole "phoebe''s job" thing, my new headcanon is that her power developped to allow her mind control or influence of some degree and she just never noticed because it goes in her favour... although the elders would have been jerks enough to punish her for misusing a power she doesn't even knows she has :/

[@rikkiwear853]

In P3H20, Leo told Piper he had to hold her to orb. Later it was touching the person.

[@Kubacat984]

You made my Saturday at work worth it! This episode is Phoebelicious !!!!!!!!!!

[@Mike0908]

always hated the baby storyline. she acts like it doesn't even affect her. then in season six she abuses her powers trying to find the future father of her kids. losing a child should traumatize you. but it didn't. neither did losing prue. she was sorry for losing cole for lke 5 minutes and that's it.

[@PittsburghSportsFan43]

It didn't bother her because the baby was pure evil. The Seer even says it was her kid all along, not Phoebe's. That's why there was no real connection, Phoebe was just an incubator. It wasn't hers.

[@Mike0908]

The seer lies to Phoebe . She told the source Phoebe and Cole's son would be a powerful good witch. They poisoned him with the dark wedding and tonics. Changing history. Basically kid went from Phoebe and Cole's son to the source and seer's son. And they don't even mourn him.

[@senorstyx3011]

Is it me or is all seers in charmed essentially evil?

[@mikekarman6026]

Yay, new episode! Happy New Year to You! ;) 37:36 had me laughing so hard xD Okay, so... first Margoyle of the year goes to the construction worker who came too late to sexy lemonade time. One of those guys must've ended up empty handed... And Carman would be the Angel of Destiny. He's come so far in life that all he has to do is hang around people's homes who've fulfilled their destiny to wait for their decision AND he got to meet Britney Spears. Cool.

[@brandyloutherback9288]

I dread the day we have to cover Phoebe and Cole's Wedding episode! Phoebe was the ultimate Bridezilla! Or the following episode, when Piper and Phoebe just leave Paige sitting alone at the bar! Someone draw Phoebe and Piper as the Ugly Stepsisters from Cinderella, please!

[@mattmclaren3067]

So there's a series of The Take character analysis of the Charmed Ones written by a fan of the show. Now inheritently, I know I'm not going to like her videos after 2 seconds of starting the video, but her Phoebe essay made me laugh in a way she probably definitely didn't intend. Her opening line: "Piper may be the heart of the family, but Phoebe is the heart of the show." ...oh honey...you're so right...sadly.

[@phonybeautrain6520]

A cold blacked heart is still a heart after all

[@jzola3937]

That line is true if the show's heart is a self-centered and egotistical.

[@rikkiwear853]

It's a shame there is so much bad blood between Alyssa and Shannen/Rose and Alyssa. We will never get a full on reunion panel. That said, I hate Phoebe.

[@badman3000]

I remember watching this episode as a kid and remembering thinking why is Phoebe being such a bitch to Cole literally leaving him in hell just because she wants to move on I mean I get her one end the relationship but leaving somebody in hell because you don't want to deal with them God damn.

[@mattmclaren3067]

So...literally every creative decision is wrong. But my hyperfixation is this show making Bruce Campbell the surprise villain, expecially when the pretty, vulnerable looking blonde girl is the surprise victim. Surely it should be the other way round. I mean I know that's pretty cliche too. But this is not better.

[@calsh14]

My favorite part of this episode that i wish was touched on more, Paige admitting without magic she wouldnt have sisters. Also, is this the ONLY episode Darryl orbs with Leo? Like, why hasnt that happened more

[@mar-shagazorpazorp6431]

Same- especially paired with Phoebe saying how “none of it [magic] seemed worth it anymore”, including meeting/having Paige. Yet another lost opportunity for proper sister drama leading to growth. Yea I agree! Throughout the series, there’s always been conflicting canon regarding the orb rules. In this case of orbing with Darryl, I always understood this instance as an emergency exception to whatever rules, given the high risk of exposure.

[@92Raider-art]

Perfect timing guys. I'm over here doing nothing else then sipping on my mocktail drink so this was a delightful suprise

[@mathieuleader8601]

Even Hecate herself would avoid Pheobe like the plague

[@whatsthesim-nerio2309]

You guys are too much. I used to watch Charmed when they were new episodes back in the day...such a guilty pleasure. This episode was 😢. Keep these coming! Btw What a waste of Bruce Campbell for real.

[@vladislavtertichiv4808]

As usual, this is the best recap of all time❤

[@georgiewalker5826]

Weirdly enough I just finished watching Ash vs Evil Dead, Bruce Campell's one liners are so good in that show. Such a big contrast with his character in this episode.

[@ruth7841]

Second time listening to this and I enjoy it just as much. I was all about Cole and Phoebe when I was a teenager and it always bothered me how he ended but looking back, my gosh was he done dirty by the writers :c

[@MrZerothejedi]

*does a little jig* I'm gonna have that stuck in my head now. 🎶Can I borrow a magic🎶

[@FaeQueenCory]

Oh? There actually is gonna be a Manic Episodes recap thingy for the Reboot?? I am excite.

[@michaellangwaller]

I love the song in the middle of the podcast.

[@lukas11xxf2]

Even though I agree with you two most about the show, I don’t think Pipers would have worked outside the fan as she always needed to be in the same room to freezes the molecules/people. So opening the door felt like necessary I think

[@nenadjankovic2061]

It's Christmas eve in my country and the new episode of Rewind drops, nice! P.S. Obligatory reminder that Phoebe is the worst lol

[@EerieGrey]

Great Simpsons reference, Peter!

[@djkrage854]

this was so funny happy new year!

[@DavidSeesholtz]

I stated hating her life one third of the way in season 4, actually. Piper since the neighbor Dan bullshit.

[@TommyDeonauthsArchives]

Wait, Shannen Doherty has a podcast?

[@Kubacat984]

Yes. It’s called “ Let’s Be Clear”.

[@mathieuleader8601]

So you like donuts don't yeah *WELL HAVE ALL THE DONUTS IN THE WORLD!* Cole eats donuts *NOM NOM NOM NOM!*

[@chaoticblades2382]

Honorary car man: Darryl

[@gracekim1998]

Happy new year 🥳

[@TheCoyoteOutlaw]

"It's where all the vanquished demons go." So why can they come back on Halloween?! This is why ypu absolutely must have the rules and lore completed before you start writing or creating. Like... I wanna know what their show bible looked like. Did it also have the phrase "choose the worst option" written in big, red letters?

[@lauramac90]

Phoebe was my favourite when I was a kid watching Charmed but I remember this was the episode where I really started to not like her.

[@mathieuleader8601]

neat Sartre reference in the thumbnail

[@MyMagnificentOctopus]

I am always surprised we never got an ape themed Charmed episode entitled "Every Witch Way But Loose".

[@AllisonPregler]

Nothing with that title but there were at least two monkey eps

[@DavidSeesholtz]

Also, wouldn't he HAVE to bring Prue back? Or is it me misinterpreting it?

[@markmyers6756]

Do I sense a surrender review coming up?

[@Life.can.be.smelly.]

Hate this episode , This is the moment in the show that they decided phoebe and piper were above any form of accountability for their actions. What a sharp contrast from the beginning of this season ,, are we sure phoebe is not a warlock

[@adcamper92]

This episode confirms how horrible Phoebe is…love these podcasts.

[@senorstyx3011]

When the next baywatch nights reviews?

[@AllisonPregler]

Soon!

[@elvisbl]

Source’s Oracle = sees the future = evil The Seer = sees the future = evil The Crone = sees the future = evil Kyra = sees the future = evil Phoebe = sees the future = ? 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@animefan25]

Nimue is singing? Not bad.

[@PittsburghSportsFan43]

Piper was told by her doctor that since she had some scarring on her uterus it would be difficult, or impossible to get pregnant. She attributed this to all the demon battles. I never understood Paige's line about not having sisters. How about "Without being witches I wouldn't exist"? Because if they weren't witches, that would mean no one in their family were witches, which would probably mean Sam and Patty never would have met, and Paige wouldn't exist. Victor was mortal, so Prue, Piper and Phoebe would still be around. But not Paige. Piper had to open the door to freeze Agent Jackman because her powers don't work outside the room or area she's in. She would have frozen the construction workers and other people outside but not Jackman.

[@mar-shagazorpazorp6431]

How audacious of you 😂

[@beepboop204]

[@westshiro]

if you want more great alyssa milano content watch dickie roberts former child star

[@noahasencio8589]

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