Hellraiser - What’s The Difference? - NSFW

[@vampman87]

A decent analysis, but there is a slight error with the "female Pinhead" character. Helbound Heart's Pinhead had the VOICE of a girl, but Frank couldn't tell what gender the Pinhead character was. The only genuine female Cenobite was the 4th Cenobite, a grey and gleaming woman who sat on a large pile of rotting human heads, thighs parted to show the scarification of her pubic area. The Female Cenobite in the movie seems to be loosely based on the one in the book, though she's nowhere near as explicitly sexual as her book counterpart. (Also, we don't even know what she did to Frank, though many fans believed she had unbearably long sex with him, post-orgasm, until his heart gave out and he died.)

[@freddykisback123]

They also missed the bucket of piss frank had prepared for self humiliation if the cenobites so deserved it

[@freddykisback123]

Also the cathedral bell

[@101acidrider]

the cenobites were not the true villians in hellrasiser and hellbound heart frank and julia was. i figured this out when i first saw the movie and i was only ten years old.kinda of ironic

[@fodxp]

That was my understanding of the Cenobites. Especially in the book, the Cenobites were deliberately androgynous to represent their transcendence from conventions of gender norms and sexuality. Some were more overtly feminine than others, but the Cenobites were humans that transcended their human forms in favor of unrestrained sexual and sensory pleasure. To us, Cenobites seem more like demons from Hell than humans unshackled from their physical limitations.

[@hailthechief2]

Agreed. Humans were the evil while these transdimensional sexual hellish figures brought their own evils upon the mortal flesh upon request.

[@hemidas]

2:47 As I recall, the genders of the Cenobites in the book are ambiguous because they are so mutilated and weird looking that the gender is very hard to determine.

[@halfbreed1426]

I as well. They're never made specific mention of the Cenobites' sex, barring the nude woman from the opening pages.

[@Droog218]

(Spoilers for the book) Spot on, it could be debated whether or not "Pinhead" is a female but far as one cant determine either or in the book. Also in the book "Butterball" is the lead Cenobite as "pinhead' is the second mentioned when the order of the Gash arrive. The third being "Chatter" Last "The Female Cenobite". I was told their where five......

[@SuperSwordman1]

I never read the book but that seems to be what everyone says. But Pinhead is described with a voice "like an excited girl", so I would assume female too. Either way, they clearly increased the masculinity on Pinhead up for the film.

[@mikeoxstrong9494]

They can identify as which ever gender they like 😡 which is cenobites.. sexists

[@agentrocklee]

Sir Humphry Carter I heard the 5th cenobite has in it's possession the egg of the king... GRIFFITH!!!!

[@Horrorman5]

Actually, Pinhead is never mentioned as a girl and isn't the leader. This is how Pinhead is described in the book. "Its voice, unlike that of its companion, was light and breathy-the voice of an excited girl. Every inch of its head had been tattooed with an intricate grid, and at every intersection of horizontal and vertical axes a jeweled pin driven through to the bone. Its tongue was similarly decorated."

[@AllanFrederiksen83]

Finally, someone gets it.

[@michaelkeha]

Horror_man The reason pinhead became the "leader" in the movie is because most of the lines of dialouge other cenobites had were given to him as the actors for the other cenobites found it difficult or impossible to speak in their make up and costumes

[@christophergibbs2616]

I think the "voice of an excited girl" part kinda betrays your point. But I see what you mean, it's referred to as "It" throughout. However, with no point of reference besides that line, one can easily assume that Pinhead is female.

[@cameronsprague101]

Christopher Gibbs no it really doesn't. If it was male and got its balls chopped off then it wouldn't have as deep of a voice given enough time.

[@dennismiller2630]

Done not how that works. Removing someones balls doesnt make someones voice get higher.

[@GR3GORY90]

I would choose the book's story over the movie. but the daughter instead of the friend, makes more sense.

[@VerneditheSnail]

Same. Keep the story of the book the same, except for the daughter relationship.

[@tanukioh]

ditto

[@vanessak69]

Agreed, although I can't imagine Pinhead without Doug Bradley (since book Pinhead was female.)

[@funkyweapon1981]

I always tell people who are getting into Hellraiser that the movie is gory and shocking, but the book is even more disturbing.

[@GR3GORY90]

@@funkyweapon1981 Really? Thanks for the heads up.

[@thegoldfishpool]

One of the most glaring differences, that I found ended up being a detriment to the film over the book, was the elimination of The Engineer. In the book Kirsty comes across The Engineer, a female Cenobite that sits, naked, on a throne of severed heads. The Engineer is the character who decided to entrust the box to Kirsty. The Engineer also is the one who gives us a more expositional look into the world, and politics of the Cenobite dimension. The scene with The Engineer changes the dynamics of the story and shifts the readers perception of the Cenobites from monsters to anti-heroes, something that the sequel does quite well. In both the book and the film Frank is the monster and, more so in the book than the film, the Cenobites are blindly doing their jobs, you asked for pleasures you get them. Even if their definition of pleasure differs from yours, that's your problem, not theirs. That's my 2 cents.

[@Shatter415]

Well said. I don't think the read the book to close. They also made fun of the Order of the Gash, because that also tells you that there are other orders and factions.

[@andrickmedrano1483]

Who you callin Pinhead?

[@jamilahmonroe6487]

You're Pinhead Larry, I'm Dirty Dan.

[@andrickmedrano1483]

NO, I'M DIRTY DAN!!!

[@jamilahmonroe6487]

+Andrick Medrano I'm Dirty Dan!!!!!!!

[@bromodragone8405]

+Jamilah Monroe I'm Dirty Dan! 😜

[@jamilahmonroe6487]

No, I'm Dirty Dan!

[@StewyAdamRules]

Making Kirsty the daughter was the best change they could have made, it gives the whole film so much more weight.

[@tgiacin435]

And make the come to daddy line so much creepier. And it really changes the context and dynamic because all four of them are in their mid 20s with Rory and Julia assuredly being married for the first time.

[@hailthechief2]

Never, in my version of "The Hellbound Heart" Did the book ever refer to Pinhead as being a he or a she. There was no sex ever declared to the Cynobytes because the sex of them never mattered and that is the point. They feed off of desire and are not meant to be classified as anything besides nightmarish deformities of our culture.

[@Engel1916]

Jack Poontaint Yeah, I don't recall any explicit statement or possibly open interpretation of the Cenobites' biological sex in THH at any point. I could be wrong, my memory is far from perfect, but that book stuck with me like few others have and I really can't recall reading anything that would suggest that Pinhead is a female.

[@TL0ID]

As far as I recall, having recently gone over all the cenobite parts of the book again, the pinhead cenobite was at the very least described as having been modified to the point where sex was indistinguishable, and having a more feminine voice instead of Doug Bradley's more booming tone. So probably more androgynous than explicitly male. However, another cenobite was explicitly described as female with an elaborately scarified pubis.

[@Scribe13013]

Plus, the dick is prob one of the first things to go during cenobitification

[@Adrastia]

The book mentions genital mutilation. So I imagine it's not just the female cenobite that got off to having that done. Frank is far more disgusting in the movie because he is Kirsty's uncle. But he was gross to begin with anyway in the book.

[@a.c.slater7989]

They are specifically said as loving both pleasure and pain. I doubt that they couldn't have sex

[@Bluesit32]

Never read the book, but I prefer it since it sticks to the characterization of the cenobites as they describe themselves. They keep their end of the bargain because they have no reason not to. Going back on their word so deviously goes against their claims of being voyagers of the flesh. Demons to some, angels to others. Now they just appear to be demons. Of course, they don't go fully over that edge until Hellraiser III when Pinhead suddenly wants to take over the world or something.

[@Grabthar191]

I think in Part III they explain it as Pinhead having been divided in two after Part II, so his evil half lacks the balance of order. I liked the idea that the Cenobites were more like demon cops, there to arrest and punish those that have taken hedonism and excess too far.

[@jedaaa]

so you prefer the book you've never read to the films that you've seen ?

[@Bluesit32]

jedaaa Yep.

[@tylerwigle9656]

jedaaa some people enjoy books others..watching it actually happen in front of our eyes. i like both personally.

[@SomeGuyYeah007]

jedass, I think TheBlues32 means that book sounds more interesting and in depth than the movies were.

[@wompstopm123]

hell raiser still holds up today its a timeless classic, it doesnt need a reboot

[@wittyjoker4631]

Doesnt need one, could be amazing and considering the lack of good horror and hellraiser being one of my favirites im excited at the prospect

[@chaos.corner]

Currently, it could go either way. Which is an improvement on a few years ago. I'm not optimistic though unless Barker is heavily involved.

[@Bleofuse]

Agreed.

[@TwatMcGee]

Yeah, if its good, we all get a new good movie, if its bad then we get to be snobbish and rewatch the original

[@mrevilducky]

Everything will get a reboot

[@gojewla]

I never understood what was so scary about a guy who prematurely left his acupuncture appointment.

[@kylerainey9251]

+viberunner LOL

[@PhantosTheHedgehog]

It's now how he looks... it's what he does to you

[@LilPoopsie]

PhantosTheHedgehog he's daddy though lol

[@cosmicghost811]

he is the pope of hell.

[@saibhorg1166]

gojewla 😂😂😂😂😂👌👌👌👌👌👉👌

[@timrapone4060]

I think you overthought it a little with the identity politics bit. No one knew that Pinhead, and specifically Pinhead, was to become a horror movie icon. Plus, Frank was the main villain anyways. In the original script all four cenobites shared their lines equally, but when all makeup work was said and done, they realized Chatterer and Butterball were unable to deliver their lines. So, the lines were then given to Pinhead and the Female. Just so happened to be, Pinhead had the more iconic look and some of the more quotable lines. My reasoning for that is that he had a loud, booming, scarier voice, compared to the Female's rather whispery voice. Plus, as stated many times on this comment section, he was never given a specific gender in the book. So, Clive gave the role to one of his friends: Doug Bradley. Turns out they couldn't recreate the same genderless look he had in the book. I don't think Clive was consciously making this big identity-political choice to make Pinhead a male.

[@tgiacin435]

I think trying to get that androgynous balance with humans is difficult especially if they’re described as other worldly

[@Maverick_Van_Traveller]

The way the narrator says Cenobites sounds like Cinna-bites, which is making me hungry for a Cinnabon. Thanks a lot, CineFix (which also makes me want Cinnabon. Cinna-fix).

[@JakkFrost1]

Well, I mean that's the way it's always been pronounced.

[@Maverick_Van_Traveller]

I always thought it was Cen-O-bites, not Cen-A-bites.

[@JakkFrost1]

M Kefer ~ Well _that_ just comes down to a quirk of pronunciation. Since there's no emphasis on the O, most people pronounce it with a generic "uh" sound. (Cenn-uh-bites)

[@Maverick_Van_Traveller]

Guess I'm the weird one then. I've always pronounced the "oh" sound in the middle.

[@JakkFrost1]

M Kefer ~ No, you just articulate it more than most.

[@preachingara2423]

... She defeats a man by "closing the box".. I only just got that!

[@matthewbartke4424]

@F.u.c.k Go.ogl.e There's nothing to get. It is like saying, "Oh, a woman stabbed the killer in a movie, thus it is is phallic symbolism." They're saying that she is "closing her box(vagina)." I think people are looking for metaphors that don't exist.

[@tipaps]

Matticus Barticus it's a joke dog

[@jediflip2515]

@@tipaps he's mad because he had to have someone tell him.

[@kyokuslaps2411]

@@matthewbartke4424 just fuck off instead of being mad your no fun

[@jaksida300]

@@matthewbartke4424 How dare people analyse a subjective media and come to their own conclusions about it.

[@MrBracey100]

Actually, the creepy creature that chases Kirsty is referred to as the engineer in the script and FX dept. The Engineer is mentioned in the book but is nothing like this beast and is apparently another cenobite, one that specializes in creating the torments if I remember correctly.

[@Momon143]

Yeah, the Engineer really should have been mentioned in this video. Aside from what you say he makes an actual appearance near the end of the book as a being with a head wreathed in bright fire, and sort of bequeaths the box to Kirsty at the end (possibly in the form of a homeless guy I think?) and even says a few words about her being its guardian. He was sort of a tease at the higher levels of the Cenobites and it's a shame they turned him into some random monster. Was kinda cool to see the monster's head hanging up in Planet Hollywood though.

[@MrBracey100]

Momon143 Cool Id forgotten some of that, been a couple of decades since I read the story.

[@nikkis.2066]

I love both equally. Doug Bradley was very iconic as Pinhead and even though they altered his voice, it's still one of the coolest ones, with the best deliveries of lines :D! I do love the detail of the overstimulating of Frank's senses in the book and how it's just barely able to even keep him self together. Shit like able to hear a dust mite walking from across the room...freaking insane if you think about it. Cliver Barker just has many astounding books, though Weaveworld is by far my favorite and I'd love to see how that would be made into a movie.

[@KevlarNinja]

I thought the Cenobites in the book were made to be gender ambiguous and that Pinhead just had a girlish sounding voice.

[@Xinathor]

they were angelic and feminine in looks and they aren't given the extreme look like they have in the movies

[@TraphouseSlutbunny]

Yeah, in fact, in the sequel to HELLBOUND HEART, THE SCARLET GOSPELS, Pinhead is pretty firmly established as male but androgynous.

[@alexives9274]

yah with diamonds and bells drilled in there face lol not really angelic in the way we think in the book or movie.

[@theguy4835]

Whenever my GF closes her box my Pinhead does the same "Noooooo" sounding cry then goes to it's own dimension

[@crescentfreshbret]

The Hellbound Heart is a wonderful novella. Reading it showed me what a truly talented author Clive Barker is. The first paragraph of chapter 2 is one of the most beautifully crafted pieces of writing I've ever read.

[@spacewaifuu]

Could you do a "What´s the difference" between "The body" and its movie adaptation "Stand by me"?

[@RobynAdamsSheFreak]

They should.

[@smuglytherat]

Isn't the body too short for that?

[@TheChugg11]

@@smuglytherat The Hellbound Heart was a novella (which admittedly is longer than a short story) - but it is a good idea.

[@cruddddddddddddddd]

As much as I love the film, The Hellbound Heart, imo, was better. I liked the fact that the Cenobites (in the book) leave without reneging on their deal with Kirsty. There's no chase through the house, they just leave once they get Frank back. In the film, they are reduced into typical horror monsters, while in the book they are more mysterious, their motives unknowable. Barker's early work (Books of Blood, The Hellbound Heart, The Damnation Game) is by far his best work. It was when he got away from gut-wrenching but clever horror and into more horror/fantasy that my interest in his work began to wane. It isn't bad. It's just not as great as his early stuff, but I don't deny the influence his entire body of work had on modern-day dark/urban fantasy. I'll always be a Clive Barker fan.

[@Leolion0013]

As a Child I thought what Pinhead was holding on the cover was a bow wrapped gift.

[@kayleighbrown459]

I just found this channel like an hour ago but can I just say that I freaking love the fact that you use photos of what the characters might look like for the books.

[@lyingmongoose]

Every time he said "The Box" had me fucking rolling, and that bleeped out section was golden, man. Bring your own ball gag! Great work ya'll, thanks for trawling through the pleasure/horror of sadomasochism for us :)

[@curiousmadcat480]

Came here after seeing the reboot trailer. Time to refresh my memory!

[@Ottmar555]

I just rewatched this video for that glorious "The box".

[@trackerbuckmann1627]

pinhead was not a woman. it is very explicit in that you cannot determine its gender. plus, it's never referred to as "pinhead" in the book.

[@dark1alucard]

if u cant determine its gender then how do u know if its a woman or not?

[@trackerbuckmann1627]

You can't. That's the point. You cannot say that it is a woman, either. In the book there is another cenobite that is female. The first time frank sees her she is laying naked covered in severed human tongues.

[@nicholasdickens2801]

dark1alucard The Cenobites are very androgynous. They are beyond sex and gender, they are operating on a level far beyond human comprehension.

[@Dina_tankar_mina_ord]

Agreed.

[@Halloweenman33]

He was never actually referred to as Pinhead in the movie either. It originated as a fan nickname that ended up sticking and became the character's actual name (although I don't think he's referred to by it in any of the sequels either)

[@clericofchaos1]

...so the book is a porno?

[@jpargo1010]

clericofchaos1

[@xaviercalderon275]

Clive Barker's are always... Explicit, I'll Always remember a scene where a guy get a Blo***b from is undead Wife, Weird as Hell

[@SomeGuyYeah007]

xavier, she is actually just some chick he is sleeping with and not the wife. But, yeah, Clive Barker can be pretty explicit when it comes to describing sex.

[@Adrastia]

For very very strange people.

[@Djarra]

Basically Barker's books are aimed at fifteen year old boys.

[@moralityisnotsubjective5]

Or maybe he just wanted to let his best friend play the part of Pinhead.

[@Waldowsky]

"We'll tear your soul apart!" You make a good point! I completely forgot that was his friend.

[@moralityisnotsubjective5]

Waldowski They went to school together.

[@Waldowsky]

I remember seeing another video on it. They did gory plays.

[@moralityisnotsubjective5]

Waldowski Which Clive wrote, yes :)

[@NicoleTunis]

I thought the same thing!

[@hamarbiljungskile8953]

Slaanesh approves.

[@williamhartnell3096]

heh

[@AJZulu]

I was looking for a Slaanesh reference...got the first one right there.

[@druffner]

Hamarbi Ljungskile I kind of had to expect this

[@Koolkids922]

meme queen popcorn machine

[@DarthCruciare87]

And to think...I hesitated.

[@DylansFearFiles]

Clive Barker doesn't actually state the gender of any of the Cenobites, including Pinhead's counterpart who is only described as having the "voice of an excited girl" but that the Cenobites are so deformed that their gender isn't easily discernible. I just started reading the novella today and I'm really enjoying it!

[@negativeindustrial]

I was thinking the same thing. I own the novella and I have read it many times over the decades and I don't ever recall having thought that Pinhead was female. I think CineFix just screwed this up somehow

[@TheChugg11]

"Oh, the pleasiure!" love the pronunciation

[@Jeffrey314159]

2:00 The realm of pain/pleasure of the cenobytes was known to the Giles de Rais, in the book: The Hellbound Heart

[@charmingboi77]

Another thing they missed was the description of the box itself. If I recall, the box was a seemingly solid, sleek, shiny box the color of obsidian. Only through hours, sometimes days of deliberate attempt could you unlock it. You had to want it THAT bad.

[@KayKay114]

Yeah, if I remember it was like slivers for the puzzles and Kristy only solved it because blood had seeped into those lines. 🤔

[@sdkdoom]

didn't knew the reboot was announced this long ago

[@bryanlozen1907]

I read the Hellbound Heart a few years ago. It was a fairly short book and didn't take long to get through. As I recall, in the book many of the small details were changed. Some other commentors mentioned that Frank prepared a ritual with a bucket of piss (among other things) for the Cenobites arrival. Apparently, opening the box took hours. It took a long time to shift any particular piece of the box around. Frank was familiar with other types of puzzle boxes, but Lemarchande's box was built with a different kind of intelligence. The box actually disassembles into pieces, where in the movie it just shifts apart. Frank has a short conversation with the Cenobites, which is more interesting than what the movie shows. Actually , the entire interaction with them is much more detailed (like what this video alludes to). Additionally, all of the characters are much younger. The actors in the movie all look like they're in their 40's. No offense to Julia's actress, but she wasn't really attractive. In the book, all of the main characters are much younger. Also, Julia was supposed to be REALLY hot. More of a trophy for Rory than a companion. Julia's appearance makes it easy for her to lure dudes back to the house and murder them. Rory's blood doesn't resurrect Frank like it does in the movie. Instead, it gives him strength, remotely to the Cenobite world. Frank temporarily opens a door and calls out to Julia. Apparently, Frank is able to see the room he was captured in from the Cenobite world as part of his torture. When Kirsty meets the Cenobites in the hospital, their conversation is a little longer and more interesting. I get the distinct feeling that he Cenobites of the book are NOT evil and have a business like demeanor to them. The lead follows Kirsty back to the house. It's invisible to everyone in public (like Ryuk from Deathnote). Near the end of the book's story, Julia dies and Frank is dragged back to the Cenobite world (btw it's not Hell, it's a different dimension entirely). Kirsty has a run-in with Julia's decapitated corpse. A flaming skull (or something) emerges out the top of her body and claims to be the Engineer who created the Cenobite world. Kirsty flees the house and while she's walking alone on the sidewalk, a stranger bumps into her and slips Lemarchande's box back into her possession. Overall the book is much for detailed and interesting than the movie. The movie, and it's subsequent sequels, aren't very good in comparison.

[@SomeGuyYeah007]

I got that the Cenobites were "evil" either and were rather reasonable.

[@mousc460]

"Angels to some. Demons to others." I don't recall if this quote came from the book, movie, or Barker interview, but, it really stuck with me. They are neither good nor evil. They are acting simply as gatekeepers to whomever opens the box.

[@kayleighbrown459]

That line was definitely in the movie. It's the scene where the come for Kirsty in the hospital.

[@davidsandlin9686]

According to the scarlet gospel the Cenobites and the order of the gash are definitely in hell.

[@vinicinfodexota5083]

yeah, the 1 and 2 hellraisers are a great watch tho, not gonna lie, but after that....

[@avellinklater3566]

I've both read the book and seen the movie. I like them both for different reasons. To understand the story more thoroughly, experience both.

[@evilnick2885]

you forgot all about the engineer in the book. kind of a big thing. that thing that chases Christie in the film is credited as the engineer

[@archiethedog4515]

This reminds me of Berserk and the God Hand members.

[@markmccoll657]

Jon Doe yeah

[@milwaukeerican5]

Muira had to be inspired by this because as soon as i saw the god hand i thought of the cenobites.

[@sensaiko]

They probably are inspired by, their names being reference to sci-fi books are a hint of that.

[@Passions5555]

Miura confirmed the God hand were inspired by the cenobites. Which is just awesome.

[@darkangelfinn9]

Can't believe I had to scroll so far to find this comment. My husband pointed it out after we watched Hellraiser together - I thought the designs looked familiar because I watched/read Berserk first, but hubs saying it was the real ah-ha moment for me. It's cool to see some of the influences for Berserk, which would later go on to be influential in its own right

[@samanthascarcella526]

Will you do a "Whats the difference" for "Interview With A Vampire"?????

[@kidgamer4229]

yes I just watched the movie for the first time, they should definitely do a what's the difference between interveiw with a vampire.

[@samanthascarcella526]

I had originally seen the movie first and then read the book and was amazed by the differences, but Anne Rice did the movie too!

[@thuder2]

+Samantha Scarcella Enders Game

[@JoyfullJuneBugg]

Yes PLEASE do a what's the difference on Interview With A Vampire although I do like the movie a smidgen more that the book.

[@christianhelton5838]

Mandela effect guys. Interview with THE vampire.

[@handoffate7262]

It makes sense for what barker would make changes to the plot because maybe there was stuff he realized he could’ve done better but it doesn’t make sense to me why he would change his own characters names, like changing their name literally offers nothing more to the characters except confusion of the audience.

[@Perdido-Eléctrico]

7 Things you (Probably) didn't know: Purple Rain

[@genieofthelamp6739]

Good night, sweet Prince.

[@westonparker5940]

+SuperQuiMan Too soon. Now you drive your little red corvette back home and think about what you did like its 1999.

[@genieofthelamp6739]

+Weston Parker I get the song references but after Bowie died, they did 7 things you (probably) didn't know about Labyrinth

[@nikolasmokalis3425]

+Genie Of the Lamp yeah but labyrinth is regarded as a classic. Purple rain has a classic soundtrack and not much else

[@jewon7043]

Do you mean Prince

[@BushidoBrownSama]

1:46 Cenobite in the top rights looks like he was used as the inspiration for one of the God Hand members From Berserk

[@siegfriedfinal343]

true

[@Mofriese]

i saw this movie after i read berserk, and i instantly thought of those guys.

[@purpurteufel]

Hah you noticed it .Kentaro miura once stated that the Cenobites where Inspiration to the God Hand. Like both are a goup of extradimensional Beings that can only be summond by an Item not everyone can use. Ubik of the God takes a strong resemblance to the one Cenobite and Slan (The Woman with the Bat wings) has also that whole sadaomasochisem thing going on.

[@DokkaChapman]

Funny story about the ending of the film. The producers wanted a 2nd film so paid the SFX guy £20 to help make an open ending :p That's why the ending doesn't make too much sense.

[@Asmodeus092]

In the novel, the Box was a puzzle that came apart piece by piece. It did not move and twist its shape at all, that was a major change that occurred in the movie version.

[@darthesgoobis123]

Doing a What's The Difference on the entire Harry Potter franchise would be awesome! Having 7 vids in total for each film/book (obviously Deathly Hallows pt1 & pt2 being the same video). There's so much missed out in the films, especially basically everything in Goblet of Fire.

[@Gunthusiest]

dude I laughed so hard when I heard "oh you're not rarry"

[@tristanlevesque563]

You guys should do a "What's the Difference?" on A Clockwork Orange.

[@thefacelessnoise.666]

You forgot to mention that Pinhead was a background character in the book, and that butterball (The fat guy with the glasses) was the leader and spoke quite a bit, versus him being mute in the movie.

[@resevil2396]

There are good and bad aspects of both. I think the change to Kirsty's character is good because it seems less creepy, though the book version in some way fits the sexual themes better. I also love the homeless guy/demon as a keeper of the box and think that that is a better ending. And the whole "sending them back through the box" bit, while visually interesting, was rife with editing fuck ups and overall unnecessary. It also somewhat breaks the mythology of the cenobites imo, which is that they aren't really evil ("Demons to some, Angels to others"). I think that and the hospital chase were added in just to get some more cool monster shots and also pad the runtime.

[@Momon143]

Clive essentially broke the mythology himself in the long-awaited and largely disappointing Scarlet Gospels book. I wonder if the comics portray the universe more correctly going from The Hellbound Heart.

[@moonlily1]

In the book Julia is described as stunningly beautiful. The actress who plays her in the movie is actually rather plain. Although it isn't necessary for her to be beautiful in order for to be unfaithful or for another woman to be in conflict with her. Writing her as a gorgeous and heartless femme fatale was actually really cliché. I also felt that her character was underwritten and her conflict doesn't make sense. She doesn't have children but she doesn't work, she just stays home all day and does nothing; she feels "trapped in a loveless marriage with no way out"- why would divorce not be an option? Barker wrote her like a woman of the 50s instead of the 80s. And writing Kirstie as a lonely and unattractive unmarried woman was cliché also. I like her better as a young college student wary of her stepmother than a jealous unrequited lover.

[@Goldarlives]

I agree with your points. I think studio interference is what led to the penis monster chase scene and the scene where the Cenobites are trying to take Kirsty. They already got Frank and Julia (2 for 1!) and they want Kirsty too, who had been innocent the whole time. The last scene plays like a typical slasher movie. The sequels (past 2, because I actually adore that one) got the Cenobites' characterization wrong. They wanted world domination in the later films. The Cenobites don't work well as antagonists, but as agents of the box.

[@lydiasteinebendiksen4269]

The cenubites are not merely sadomasochists, they are frequently referring to this thing called "the limit" which isn't just a descriptive term used in the book, but a term refering to what's known as limit experiences, where the intensity surpasses the quality. Philosophers like Bataille and Foccoult have further examined the concept, and it is not impossible to reach for a normal person, especially not if you are sensitive. I haven't had one from pleasure nor pain, but I have entered a state of such intense sensation that I was sort of feeling all the things at once. I was laughing crying and moaning with no clear distinction, and I recall thinking "it was heaven" and "it was hell" at the same time afterwards. I even filmed it, and it's facinating to watch. My way of getting there is exploiting a thing I have where music causes incredably intense emotional responses, and then leaning into said emotions using a very effective music track on a high volume with good sound system.

[@LSaba27]

Love how he says "The Box" 😂

[@princessnikoblackwood4041]

I haven't yet had the pleasure of reading The Hellbound Heart but I love the movies, so it should be a great read.

[@mousc460]

It's only about 100 pages. Do it!!!

[@Nosferdamus]

the books are much better.

[@TheRealNormanBates]

I'm surprised you didn't mention the end of HELLBOUND HEART. The Cenobites are more in shadow and not as bloody thirsty (as a poster below describes), but doesn't "The Engineer" show up walking down the street, a glowing sillouette who takes the box from Kirsty and then disappears into the shadows?

[@KayKay114]

She gives Kirsty the box.

[@christraymer3727]

2:49 not exactly. While on page 7-8 "Frank had difficulty guessing the speaker's (main Cenobite) gender with any certainty. It's clothes, some of which were sewn to and through it's skin, his it's private parts, and there was nothing in the dregs of it's voice, or it's willfully disfigured features offered the least clue." All the way over on page 140, it reads "As she made her way along Lodovico Street, she looked around for a sign of the Cenobite, but HE was nowhere to be seen." It's a small point, but still.

[@sasugakirin]

Clive Barker's Rawhead Rex (a really bad movie but in an amusing way) also had the monster defeated by feminine symbols. It's nice that he turns the trope around like that.

[@preciouseureka625]

Please read the book if you haven't, especially if you've lost someone you love....Julia was a desperate woman ready to do anything...I found her very comforting, I was sorry the movie version was so very very cold.....

[@OttoTorrens]

Its voice, unlike that of its companion, was light and breathy-the voice of an excited girl. Every inch of its head had been tattooed with an intricate grid, and at every intersection of horizontal and vertical axes a jeweled pin driven through to the bone. Its tongue was similarly decorated. - The Hellbound Heart, Clive Barker, ch. 1 Pinhead isn't 'female'.

[@OttoTorrens]

Maxx Kroes :| I think you are unfamiliar with Clive Barker.

[@patrickjohnson371]

I love the way you guys say The Box cracks me up everytime

[@Ineedgames]

These changes make a lot of sense.

[@ketchupkatsup9805]

Crohn he's the Keeper of the Box. A guardian demon that makes sure the box is passed on for more victims for the cenobites

[@ryanmahon1]

This was a really fun one. I'm glad you guys enjoyed making this one

[@whitetuxmafiaandfilms5042]

Every single video I suggest this but BATTLE ROYALE

[@UnknownGunslinger]

Battle Royale definitely

[@philbox3productions]

yes one of my favorite books and the movie is really fun

[@tylerkeller8869]

Well done. I've never read the book, although I was aware of its existence. This movie has always left more questions for me than answers so I appreciate the video shedding some light on them.

[@DokkaChapman]

The 'lead cenobite' was actually quoted as being 'feminine and yet androgynous"

[@blitzskrieg3047]

Idk why "the box" at 2:19 had me lmao

[@joeshadowman]

Pinhead isn't female in the book though. It's not even male, it's just a thing.

[@Zidbits]

I also believe that the author made the changes to the movie because books don't often directly translate to cinema well. More importantly, however, are what the movie execs want since they're the ones paying for the project. The video here talks about the changes as if Clive made them himself when it was probably pressure from the investors, other movie execs or even bad feedback from screen tests.

[@tlamn1905]

3:58 Mk. Wow, I cannot stop laughing. Like seriously, I need air!

[@lucasorlando99]

Can you do Carrie,Gone Girl the Girl with the dragon tattoo, perks of being a wallflower

[@skrates4382]

In Perks he fucks a pillow lmao. Order of the movie is different from the book

[@OnsideHaddock72]

+Black Panther this guy

[@Epoch11]

+Lucas Pigliavento Only the Swedish version of Girl with the Dragon Tattoo counts.

[@spacewaifuu]

+Lucas Pigliavento The book of Perks of being a wallflower is different from the movie? I was just recently questioning myself about reading it or not, if they are different, then I am way more interested!

[@toffletorte]

Lucas Pigliavento Perks of Being a Wallflower is very similar to the original book, it's like asking them to do The Outsiders.

[@citizenmope605]

This was great. Helped me to explain this movie to my friend who was born in the 90s. Thank You.

[@kylecampbell565]

Do a what's the difference on The Jungle Book

[@Kayin15]

+Kyle Campbell Well I can tell you the main difference is that the book was a collection of different stories as opposed to a linear plot.

[@gspendlove]

Andrew Robinson's last line in the film ( "Jesus wept." ) was ad-libbed. Who could possibly have come up with anything better, with tons of makeup and prosthetics irritating you as you have to stand there and wait for the lighting crew and whatever else to get ready to shoot? Nobody. The man is a genius.

[@nobodyknowsanything3906]

The four barely explicit sentences on that page did not merit the bullshit assault on my ears of censoring that bad joke.

[@RadioofHorror]

Guys this is fantastic I love it I shared it around the net. I would love to have you guys on the show some time.

[@ajdelgado2663]

What's The Difference- The Fox and the Hound. (Gonna be an emotional ride....)

[@CrimsonNineTail]

+AJ Delgado Yeah, I heard about the book's end. Whooo boy.

[@MelancoliaI]

Do Rosemary's Baby. It won't take you long because the movie almost exactly follows the book save for maybe one or two minor scenes and a few lines of dialogue.

[@Kajiggger]

Surprised you didn't call Rarry, Garak instead.

[@opinionateddrone]

Loved all the hoops you went through to turn this into a men vs women thing. Great Job ;)

[@KombatGod]

Who's that dumb-looking guy you choose for book-Frank? The movie one is a good looking man that looks desperate and addicted to his obsession, he fills perfectly the role, the one you picked looks so stupid... He's there, with a big smile on his face and a hand over his mouth... (I'm especially looking at 4:34) What does that pose even mean? Other than being a random model pose? He's not seductive or mysterious or anything. It just looks like he's reacting to someone telling him a joke!

[@doro626]

I couldn't stay awake through these movies, so thanks for the great synopsis.

[@julius-stark]

Ok I'll subscribe, but what kind of weapon ISN'T fallic? What vagina shaped weapons are deadly?

[@JustSomeGuyLV]

Plastic bag on a head counts as vagina shaped weapon.

[@Rob-ExMachina]

brass knuckles

[@pompe221]

A bear trap. A noose (sort of), Any round blunt instrument that you could use to bludgeon someone.

[@MarkLewis...]

A hole... a really deep hole.

[@waterandafter]

Eating too many hot-cross buns and tacos. Death by heart attack.

[@lazarus30001]

You have many awesome videos, but this is without a doubt my personal favorite.

[@gojihunter3118]

Do a comparison between the book and film versions of "The Howling".

[@evanstone9]

They should do an "Art of the Scene" for Frank's resurrection sequence in the film!

[@truthiskey8625]

It's finally happening now this october 2022 new series reboot based on the hellbound hellraiser

[@Divine009]

i enjoyed the way you kept emphasizing "the box"...subbed :D

[@dj13calli]

Bourne - What's The Difference?

[@Nintendad64]

+TruthAboutTattoos I completely agree!

[@randomindex]

+TruthAboutTattoos I was thinking this earlier this week!

[@professorbland]

the moral of the story is if you keep your box closed, you won't get a bunch of creeps chasing you

[@hsaungaye9662]

So wait there are other boxes that can lead to other dimensions? That sound really good

[@blackrazer22]

+Hsaung Aye Unfortunately never followed up on.

[@antares8299]

shows up 1 month later with a stack of hellraiser comics that clive ALSO wrote it's generally one dimension but a shitload of keys to open it, boxes, music boxes, carousels, whatever vaguely puzzle-ish or geared trinket you can imagine you have it. the comics are really good too

[@professorsponge1554]

Also, you guys missed one detail: Teh box's description. How in the Hellbound Heart its just a plain lacquered box made of dark wood. it doesn't have the iconic gold leaf on it

[@afrikasmith1049]

So Hellraier was the original Ghost Busters only done backwards?

[@azalearosid504]

Pinhead wasn't a woman. Pinhead was relatively ambiguous in sex but, turned out to be a man with a very airy voice.

[@notoriousene9880]

Azalea Rosid Like Freiza lol

[@azalearosid504]

Maybe in the Japanese version. In the English version, I would say his voice was feminine but grating. Almost like Mab from Merlin.

[@azalearosid504]

God. I can hear that shit now.

[@lawrencehorner8418]

Actually, didn't the book say something about her having her legs parted with her labia visible, and that there was a stack of skulls nearby, and Frank suspected that she had dispatched each and every one of them? Also, the "Order of the Gash," seemed to have a double meaning, with the word gash referring to both a vagina and a deep cut. It has been over two decades since I read it, so I could be wrong, but those details are stuck in my mind.

[@azalearosid504]

That was probably about the character called "the Woman." In all following literature by Barker, Pinhead is a man and is always referenced to as a man by Barker.

[@Allerdyne]

Cool video. I never read the book (yet) but remember reading that the hallway monster is called "The Engineer" and that, in the book, it's some sort of column of fire or light.

[@FemmeFiend138]

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE TRAINSPOTTING

[@josephallegro2963]

trainspotting was a book?

[@FemmeFiend138]

+Joseph Allegro yes by Irvine welsh, and there is a sequel of the book called Porno, but I don't know if T2 is gonna following the book

[@leegsy]

Trainspotting the book has chapters from different POVs from a various assortment of characters as opposed to the movie which is pretty much from Renton's point of view. The book can be hard to read as some of it is printed in Scottish slang, and even though I'm from Scotland I found it hard to read at times when I first read it.

[@BulletTooth504]

I think Barker changed Rory's name to Larry because he was trying to partially Americanize the story. Rory doesn't seem to be a common name in the US and, for me at least, it just doesn't come out right when I say it. Just tried saying "Rory" three times real fast and it came out as "Roy-ee".

[@KatarnandKanos]

The book was much better, but I do like the movie. As much as I like Doug Bradley and his performance as Pinhead (he was the only thing that made Hellraiser 3 - 9 even remotely watchable), I think the female Cenobite would have made a much better primary villain. She was just scarier. She had a cooler design and was much more intimidating without being as overt about it as Pinhead was. I think the biggest difference between the book and the movie is the Cenobites themselves. They were much more human in the book; they were conversational with both Frank and Kirsty rather than immediately hostile, and the Cenobite that talked to Kirsty was even a little sympathetic to her mishap, but by no means was going to let her go. The Cenobites in the movie were ultimately just purely evil monsters with little to no personalities and their only defining characteristic being their appearances, while the Cenobites in the book were still undeniably evil, but more nuanced. You should have mentioned Steve and what an utterly pointless addition he was to the movie.

[@RustyX2010]

I bet Alice Krige would have made a good female Cenobite during the 80's movies

[@RustyX2010]

if they do remake it to the book they should use Eva Green as the Female Cenobite

[@TheDustBunni]

Clive Barker is one of the greatest modern writers. The stuff he conjures up in his books such as WeaveWorld and Imajica are just spectacular. I first got Abarat in the seventh grade and it blew my mind, both his world building artistry and glossy oil pastel paintings.❤

[@Maswartz226]

Could you guys do WTD for Harry Potter and/or Lord of the Rings?

[@juansegura9323]

What's the difference: Harry Potter would be an hour long episode. There's so freaking many differences throughout all the books

[@robbiecale3327]

+Juan Segura They did it anyway

[@JonathanThe501st]

I love how you guys say "the Box".

[@Provinceman]

Do one about The Neverending Story please :)

[@MrClickity]

I think the most interesting difference between movie Cenobites and book Cenobites is that the book versions don't instantly go to work the second you open the box. They merely show up and make you an offer. They even warn you and give you one last chance to back out.