Help Skeptics Get REAL with THIS Simple Question

[@CrossExamined]

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[@fivenightsatfreddys9369]

gospels are anonymous

[@MichaelMcDonald-my2np]

People don't want Harry Potter to be true because then they would give up autonomy to the truth of Harry Potter

[@panamanianviking3153]

Ive always been a non religious jew. Thought i had great ideas and was very smart. I felt deep anxiety fear and worry all the time. I was called to the bible. Soon i realized almost everything is out of my control, God gave this life to me and I need to humble that voice in my head that tought it knew it all. My heart is yours Jesus! Thank you for saving humanity! May your kingdom spread and deepen. My Lord my God that has given me unconditional Love❤

[@MrGatoka]

I had a similar realization. Went through life thinking I was too smart to acknowledge God and - even if He indeed existed - too righteous to need His grace.

[@Truth-is-King]

Awesome! Welcome to the family! We will all celebrate together in the eternal kingdom and it's going to be glorious. The hardships of this world were meant to drive us to God, not away from Him. Congratulations sir on understanding that Jesus (Yeshua) is indeed the fulfillment of the Jewish scriptures. I love Him too! Blessings to you and yours. 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@panamanianviking3153]

@ beautiful comment, thank you.

[@ramoth777]

Perfectly spot-on opening comment, Dr. Turek!

[@gi169]

Thank you CrossExamined

[@CrossExamined]

Thank you for tuning in!

[@JasonBrown033]

AMEN!!! This is so good. Thanks, Frank :)

[@davideassis87]

_"They want to be God."_ That's it. We want to be our own gods and goddesses, we want to decide what it's moral or immoral, we want to create our own rules and find "our own internal Christ".

[@sterlingfallsproductions3930]

When I hear they want to be God all I hear is that humans make different moral choices that they should have to back with logic or reason and not just say... God wants it

[@davideassis87]

@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 Human Moral is not guided by "logic" and "reason", but by a sense of survival and a pursuit of individual desires and needs. That's why you will find all sorts of people trying to justify all sorts of atrocities and depravity and truly believing they are right and good.

[@lawrenceeason8007]

Not gods…human beings who rationalize and who live our lives

[@gailnowaski7336]

@@lawrenceeason8007and where does your ability to “rationalise and reason “ come from?

[@lawrenceeason8007]

@@gailnowaski7336 my brain

[@rachelm7525]

Nailed it! The problem common to humanity from Day One is rebellion. I've asked people a similar question: if God walked in here today, what would you say to Him? The response is usually accusation. Well, "Let God be true and every man a liar." 😏

[@frankguetta9529]

@@rachelm7525 what kind of accusation?

[@LifeAsALayman]

If any other God were to walk in, what would you say to them? Allah? Vishnu? Ra? It's a pointless exercise.

[@Glop1177]

@@rachelm7525 I'd ask him why he made a universe where he needs to punish more than half of everyone.

[@HarryFaber-z7l]

@@Glop1177 I guess you are comfortable going with the majority.

[@willievanstraaten1960]

@rachelm7525: “If God walked in here today, what would you say to Him?” God, why are you so cruel, evil, narcissistic, and bloodthirsty? Why did you punish your chosen people to cannibalise and eat the flesh of their own children? Why did you kill so many babies, children and women? Why did you create evil and boast about it?

[@CSUnger]

One of the very best primers for effective evangelism.

[@CrossExamined]

🙏🙏🙏

[@annavillebaptistchurch4626]

Jordan: As a former atheist for ten years before coming to Christ in 2002, this was my exact situation. This video was short but simple and so well explained, thanks. The only addition I might consider is that while my main reason for rejecting God was indeed my own desires and autonomy, I also had a false picture of God that I had created myself or from others to reject, so even if Christianity was true, I wouldn't have wanted to accept that false god I had created or borrowed from culture or other atheists. For me, learning about the gospel and reading about Jesus firsthand for myself in the New Testament not only showed me my situation, but it gave me a more correct understanding of God's heart for me and HIs will and ways than the one I had falsely made up to reject. I still think the first issue (sinful desires and autonomy) is number one, but learning about the gospel and God through the life of Jesus sure helped to change the way I thought about what a life submitted to God through Jesus would look like, even with all the challenges and sacrifice it can bring. Still, great video!

[@usapatriot444]

Perhaps you can go to other skeptics KZbin channels and tell your story. I always wonder how the others would react when one of "their own" becomes a Christian. See you in heaven some day!

[@n00g75]

i didnt believe in God .. but i NEVER really wanted to be happy.. i was always looking for something real even though i rejcted God. today i know how foolish i was! without God .. there is nothing real at all!! its simpy impossible!

[@lawrenceeason8007]

So why doesn’t this god reveal itself and tell us its message?

[@TheGuy..]

​@@lawrenceeason8007 If I was God and if a person persisted in calling me an "it", I may never reveal myself until the day I bring judgement, punishing that person for trying to persuade others to doubt me.

[@lawrenceeason8007]

@@TheGuy..it wouldn’t be an “it” if such a god made itself known. As it stands it is just a concept

[@TheGuy..]

@lawrenceeason8007 Your statement is self refuting. A person's unawareness of God can't make a personal being an it. Don't you think a person is purposely being obtuse by saying that "observing" God is the only way to become aware of Him? I do. I'm aware of God and I haven't observed Him. Have you observed Augustine? No? So by your same standards, if you are consistent, you should also deny his existence and call him a concept. Sorry, but this is really getting strangely goofy.

[@frankguetta9529]

@@TheGuy.. Was Augustine god?

[@Dylan-xm3mu]

I would argue that to achieve happiness and content is by helping other and leaving behind a positive experience in other people lives. This can be done with a God or without.

[@miloradvlaovic]

It absolutely can. For a mentaly preserved human (exc. Psychopaths, sociopaths and narcissists to name some). However if the material world is all there is helping others is beyond moronic. Bcs "selfish gene/s". Also, that "positive experience" without supernatural is merely a byproduct of an organic system tending to grow and procreate. There's no will or reason to it - it's no more happiness inducing than gravity, or magnetic force. It's just somewhat more complex in term of variation in intensity, frequency and direction. I'm quite an unorthodox Christian as I believe that genuinely philantropic and altruistic ppl will be saved regardless of their possible lack of faith, but they'd definitelly be ppl who've spent their life acting irrationaly if not faithful. 🤔

[@Glop1177]

A person might hesitate because if Christianity is true it fails to meet modern moral standards so they might be thinking whether or not they'd be willing to compromise their values out of fear of punishment. Generally I'd say that if Christianity is true it's worth compromising your standards to avoid eternal punishment.

[@lawrenceeason8007]

Part of this Christianity is loving this god. Could you love a god who threatens you with eternal punishment?

[@Glop1177]

@lawrenceeason8007 I honestly don't know, I don't believe in God but fear is a good motivator.

[@lawrenceeason8007]

@@Glop1177 right. But you wouldn’t love that person you fear under duress. You may follow them under fear…but not actually love

[@T0Mmichael1234]

"Modern moral standards"?!?! Are you referring to what is the foundation of subjective morality?

[@Glop1177]

@@lawrenceeason8007 well Stockholm Syndrome exists but I very much see your point.

[@kevinwhelan9607]

"God over their own lives": the awful truth. Good for you, Frank❤❤❤

[@mamusipipalisajelo5419]

Here's one for you Most of the time evidence isn't the issue for people. They don't want Atheism to be true because they don't want to give up their sense of purpose to a universe who isn't in control. They want God. They want God over their own lives, so sometimes just asking the question can help clear the decks of any objections and not only help you understand where the person is coming from, but it can help them understand when they have to admit that they're really not in it to discover what is true. They want to believe what they want to believe. I really can't imagine most people saying that they wouldn't believe something if it was true, but maybe Frank just surrounds himself with a different humans than I do idk

[@philb4462]

Touché, Frank.

[@jadedrac0]

No Isaiah 53 has me pretty convinced Jesus is real as well as some actual supernatural experiences with the demonic and things that go bump in the night that athiesm could never explain.

[@philb4462]

@@jadedrac0 At best, Isaiah 53 bears some resemblance in places to a story that came later, written by somebody who had access to the earlier story. It's not very convincing to me, even when coupled with a translation error that is you'll often hear with it. Why does it convince you?

[@jadedrac0]

@ well first off because it’s not a stand alone prophecy. And secondly it’s not a broad stroke brush of a prophecy it’s very specific. A suffering messiah would be pierced, by his stripes we are healed referring to the cat of 9 tails whip that lashed his back. Buried in the tomb of the wicked a rich man. Jesus was buried in a tomb of a rich man named Joseph of Arimathea. Btw here’s what I mean this isn’t stand alone this prophecy is about Jesus’s betrayal Zechariah 11:12-13 New International Version 12 I told them, “If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it.” So they paid me thirty pieces of silver. 13 And the Lord said to me, “Throw it to the potter”-the handsome price at which they valued me! So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them to the potter at the house of the Lord. Now i cross reference this with the story in the new testament and compare Mathew 27 3When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders. 4 “I have sinned,” he said, “for I have betrayed innocent blood.” “What is that to us?” they replied. “That’s your responsibility.” 5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself. 6 The chief priests picked up the coins and said, “It is against the law to put this into the treasury, since it is blood money.” 7 So they decided to use the money to buy the potter’s field as a burial place for foreigners. So Zachariah predicted Jesus would be valued at 30 pieces of silver, it would be thrown back into the temple and used to buy potters field . Yeah uh no not a broad stroke prophecy. There are hundreds of prophecies like this I could go on and on all day long. Also like I said before Ive personally experienced ghosts supernatural encounter with my former atheist friend that a pure naturalist worldview can’t explain.

[@mamusipipalisajelo5419]

@jadedrac0 Sure, to clarify I think Frankie-poo is just being a bit silly saying most people don't care about evidence. No shade on you

[@KenCunkle]

I see an awful lot of Christians claim to know the inner mental workings of non-believers, and to speculate in such a way to make those unbelievers seem inferior an dishonest. Which in my mind is kind of evidence that they themselves are insecure and dishonest. If you want to make an argument for why it makes sense to believe or not believe in some God somewhere, then hey, let's rumble. If you're just going to sneer at what you imagine are the mental workings of those who don't agree with you, then, well, bite me, you dishonest cowards.

[@iriemon1796]

["I see an awful lot of Christians claim to know the inner mental workings of non-believers, and to speculate in such a way to make those unbelievers seem inferior an dishonest. "] They do that because they are dogmatic in their thinking. The Bible teaches (in Romans among other places) that if people reject God it is because they hate God and his rules and they want to sin etc. etc. Because they believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God, in their minds that must be the reason anyone does not believe in God. The concept that there could be other reasons (lack the evidence is bogus) simply does not register in their thought process.

[@user-br3ou2cs9o]

Amen✝️🕊️

[@qw2ps4]

Jesus showed us the way to: Love those who might not deserve it Deal with our sin Live righteously And yes even follow God's laws ... not for salvation but because we're saved!!! He did NOT come so we can continue in sin!

[@TheoSkeptomai3]

Have you ever _directly observed_ this 'God' or Jesus?

[@usapatriot444]

Bingo on the last line!

[@freedomfight3992]

I've asked a couple people this very question. With that said, how do I respond when someone asks, "What do you mean by truth?" Thank you, Dr. Frank, God bless your ministry and those who desire the truth in Christ

[@frankguetta9529]

@@freedomfight3992 They are asking you how you know Christianity is the truth. You won’t be able to give a sufficient answer because you believe in blind faith.

[@somerandom3247]

Truth - that wich aligns with reality. I don't know why people would get hung up on that word. I think "Become a Christian" is far more ambiguous, and neds clarification. Depending what you mean by that can make the question mean completely different things.

[@chriskitchen4772]

@@frankguetta9529 Nice try, no such thing as "blind faith". To have any kind of faith there must be some truth. Pray that you may find the real truth through your ignorance.

[@freedomfight3992]

​@frankguetta9529 And how would you know that I have "blind faith"? I'll tell you what, if you can prove, with evidence, that Christianity is false. I will throw away my bible! Here's 3 things to disprove Christianity: 1. Jesus is God 2. Jesus died on the cross 3. Jesus rose 3 days later I will only read and respond to counter-arguments from these 3 points.

[@frankguetta9529]

@ Ha ha ha ha. Have you not paid attention to your leader Frank? He repeatedly tells you that it’s not up to me to disprove a claim. It’s up to the claimant to support their claim. Provide support for these two unlikely things that you claim. 1. Jesus was God. 2. Jesus rose from the dead at any time. Anything other than evidence for these two extraordinary claims leaves Christianity another failed religion.

[@kevinwesterville2115]

Hey Frank can you answer this question. If Christianity were proven false would you stop believing?

[@RaySanders-vp2ql]

That is the reason Frank say EVIDENCE isn't a problem. OK, Frank would you give us one single piece of evidence to prove your god exists.

[@usapatriot444]

@@RaySanders-vp2ql WE have an empty tomb. What have you got?

[@usapatriot444]

We have the empty tomb. What better evidence is there than that?

[@Eddieshred]

@@usapatriot444 *fourth- or fifth-hand accounts of people claiming an empty tomb

[@janettaylor4679]

You have a story of an empty tomb, and even if you had a real one, that isn’t proof of anything. The Egyptians have many empty tombs, for example.

[@jace76ful]

It is true so yes I will! 😊

[@411CTda3rd]

Amen! Stubborn pride and a refusal to submit to a power greater than themselves.

[@therick363]

Except that feminine being accurate

[@lawrenceeason8007]

Well I would if such a thing were evident to actually exist

[@LifeAsALayman]

Why are you Christians so obsessed with submission? It's like you're terrified of having to forge your own path, or make your own decisions.

[@chriskitchen4772]

That pride thing is a big issue, my sister has it in spades.

[@T0Mmichael1234]

​@@LifeAsALayman Do you not submit yourself to pseudoscience and theorytale beliefs/claims?

[@paulsocie7152]

Amen❣️ I tried to find happy, it lead me to healthy.....once I got my body right, my mind followed suit and saught truth. The Truth Saved me at age 50, in Jesus Holy name, Amen❣️

[@CrossExamined]

🙌🙌🙌

[@fivenightsatfreddys9369]

why you worried about atheists?? even many christians dont believe in Jesus as God

[@aspiringlegend9514]

I’m speaking as a non-believer: the problem I’ve encountered with a number of Christians is that after I say yes to the question, and you give me evidence and resources, my continued doubt and questions are met with accusations and assumptions that “I don’t want Christianity to be true” and “I don’t want God to be real.” This is despite me insisting on the contrary being the case. I’m starting to suspect that it’s because many Christians are afraid of the problems and insufficiency with the evidence they provide, and the questions and challenges that come with it. Basically, as much as I hope I’m wrong, I’m starting to suspect that the only reason Christians say these things is because they want it to be true. I want it to be true, too; but I try to think critically and achieve a certain level of certainty. If Christianity were shown to be true, I would become a Christian. I’ve been trying to seek the truth and see if it’s true. Although I’m an unbeliever, I’m not an atheist. More of an agnostic, I guess

[@timfisher1471]

Matthew 7:7,8 speaks directly to what you are experiencing, doubting but seeking as well. God knows who you are and He knows you're looking for him. Keep going! And thanks for your honesty.

[@frankguetta9529]

You’ve hit the nail on the head. Christians WANT it to be true. That’s why they believe in the first place. They then falsely believe that anyone else who doesn’t believe it must NOT WANT it to be true. This of course is false but they have been brainwashed into this black and white mindset.

[@RaySanders-vp2ql]

@@timfisher1471 Do you have any evidence your god is real. Just asking.

[@timfisher1471]

@ Enough evidence for me.And he's not just my God.

[@TheContrarian32]

@@timfisher1471 Is there a particular piece of evidence you found to be most compelling?

[@KING_of_the_WILD]

The truth doesn't bring happiness. It only bring sorrow since the truth is we don't know the truth(when it comes to the supernatural).

[@AlethicAvenger]

the video's argument is based on flawed reasoning, misrepresentations, and oversimplifications. the core issue is that it attempts to dismiss all non-Christian perspectives as simply being motivated by a desire for personal autonomy, ignoring the many valid reasons why someone might not accept Christianity. the proposed "key question" is ineffective and does not reveal the supposed "moral objection to God."

[@kjstars]

Go for it bro. Debate Frank Turek.

[@TheoSkeptomai3]

​@@kjstarsI will gladly debate Turek. Make it happen. He can find me here.

[@AlethicAvenger]

@@kjstars your response is a non-argument that avoids engaging with the substantive criticisms of the video. it shifts the focus to a debate with a specific person, implying an argument from authority and creating a false dichotomy. the original comment's critique, which focuses on the video's flawed reasoning, misrepresentations, and oversimplifications, remains unchallenged and valid.

[@CrossExamined]

Thank you for your comment! Please check out this blog on our website that explores 3 different forms of doubt! crossexamined.org/why-most-doubts-about-god-are-emotional-not-intellectual-part-i/

[@rolandwatts3218]

Let's help many believers get real, with this simple question. If you reached the conclusion that God did not exist, then would you still worship God on a just-in-case basis? That is, would you still worship God just in case your skepticism happened to be wrong?

[@avenger4027]

It's impossible to reach the conclusion that you cite, because universal order comes only from intelligence. That is, design and the creator. The properties of God can be discerned through negative theology; by necessity, He holds all good qualities and so, He would not be a deus otiosus or an evil deity.

[@rolandwatts3218]

@@avenger4027 //It's impossible to reach the conclusion that you cite, because universal order comes only from intelligence.// Only if your assertion is correct, but you could be wrong. The universe is deeply mysterious and well beyond our daily, banal experience, as far as I can tell. So what if, for example, it's eternal in some way, then why does it need to have an intelligent designer?

[@avenger4027]

@@rolandwatts3218 "BuT yOu cOuLd Be wRoNg" - ah, yes. Denial of the very possibility of rational answer, which stares you right in the face from all the observations that the science you claim to follow has already made... Geez, your culture truly needs to hammer in some classical education again, because this is embarassing. "Deeply mysterious" - as someone whose expertise in science is considerable, I can confidently say to you that when someone tells you that the universe is "beyond us", they're trying to con you. Science exists to explain all that natural stuff - only divinity is incomprehensible. "It's eternal" - that's the thing, it's not. Philosophy, religion and science all prove and agree that the universe had to have a beginning. "Why does it need" - because it is fine-tuned exactly to permit life. Calculating the properties of fundamental forces allows us to understand that if even one constant among many was higher or lower by a gopher, life would not exist or stars would not exist. Going into biology, researchers are forced to admit that life begun as a massive information infusion, that it has complexity and functional specification (we see these things in stuff like languages). Stuff like ATP does not come randomly into being, it's too complex for that. The information in all kinds of life is NOT random; experiments reveal that most organisms would be severely impaired or fail to exist at all if even one gene is disturbed (such as mutation and breeding experiments on fruit flies). Any decent calculation of probabilies about any of the things I've cited reveals that your magical atheist faith of self-spawning primordial chaos is utterly improbable, that it would require tons of miracles in a row.

[@iriemon1796]

I'm not seeing many willing to address your simple question, and the one that did punted.

[@rolandwatts3218]

​@@iriemon1796 Indeed. Yet many will happily listen to preachers like Frank telling them that they are wise, the salt of the earth, and a light unto miserable, foolish, non believers and others who think differently.

[@tymz-r-achangin]

God said greater is those who havent seen me and believed in me than those who seen me and then believed in me. However that did not say people are not great if having seen God and then believed in Him cause of that evidence

[@lawrenceeason8007]

By that you could believe in anything. Not a good metric for investing belief

[@tymz-r-achangin]

@@lawrenceeason8007 By anything, you can believe or not believe in anything. You didn't make any valid point. You merely backed up one of the definition for jargon

[@lawrenceeason8007]

@@tymz-r-achangin as I said, you could believe in anything by that metric. I’ve never seen vampires either…but there are people who believe in vampires

[@LifeAsALayman]

"My cult says that gullibility is a virtue." Funny, that.

[@iriemon1796]

You don't know that God said that. You're just choosing to believe what's in a book.

[@gradyjohnson7853]

In the beginning in Genesis. Cain and able both had been shown by Adam how to sacrifice. Able gave his the right way. And was accepted by God. Cain however didnt give his best. And his offering was rejected. And yet God spoke directly to Cain. And told him that if he did right, it would be accepted. And offered him repentance. But cain did not want that he went and killed his brother. Because he wanted to. Even though he regretted getting punished. He suffered the consequences of his decisions even though he knew what to do in the first place.

[@seanpierce9386]

Non-Christians can’t just force themselves to suddenly believe that Christianity is true. You’re conflating doing what is right with being convinced of a philosophical position.

[@perilousrange]

Please elaborate on some of your points for me... as this story has always bothered me. Where does the Bible say that Cain didn't give his best? Or was offered a way in which it would be accepted? I've never seen that in Genesis.

[@gradyjohnson7853]

@perilousrange he had to know how to do it. He had watched Adam do it. Able gave his and his offering was accepted. Probably by fire. It doesn't say that but there are several examples of how God answered with fire if it was accepted. To Abraham. To Moses. To noah. To Elijah. So Cain knew what to do. But his offering was rejected. He did not give his first or his best. And that being said God would have if it was. The first fruits or first born sheep. But go read this story. God even goes and speaks to him. Himself. And tells Cain. If you do well will you not be accepted. So God gave him a way to repent.God was giving him grace to repent. To fix it. But it says he never did. He was jealous. And instead of doing the right thing. He did worse. But I will give you another example. Go read about Aaron's two sons. Nadab and abihu. It says that offered profane fire. They knew what they were supposed to do. They had been shown. They chose to offer something in a way God had not commanded. God is Holy. Will remain Holy. And sin separates us from Him. And as a bonus. One of the ways the ac will decieve when he comes is with fire coming down from Heaven. The book of revelation states this. Probably when he goes into the third temple and the world is asking for a sign. And he gives them one. Hope I explained it enough but if not ask me another question. And I will try again. All of the patriarchs knew how to sacrifice. They had shown each other. Because when it says they called upon God. Tbey were doing an animal sacrifice. Many examples of this. Noah knew how. Abraham. Issac. Jacob. Levi. Moses. I would

[@gradyjohnson7853]

@perilousrange i would guess that they taught their sons. Noah and shem and eber was alive the same time Abraham was. If you want go read jubilees It was found with the dead sea scrolls. It has many details in it also.

[@perilousrange]

@@gradyjohnson7853 I re-read the passages in preparation for my original reply. I couldn't find any reference to "He did not give his first or his best". I'd offer a similar concern regarding "strange fire". Folks often speak in terms of "they knew what they were supposed to do", but from my readings... It's never made clear. It seems to be a series of learned behaviors based on those that have been punished previously. Nothing clearly defined.

[@canigetachannel]

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[@frankguetta9529]

Can any Christian here please give a definition of what a Christian IS that you all agree on? How are we supposed to agree to being one if you can’t agree on this simple definition?

[@muskyoxes]

Given any statement, there will exist a group (of possible size zero) that agrees with it. So you have the option of taking Romans 10:9 as the definition and join the group of people who take Romans 10:9 as the definition

[@JoeBytowner]

A good question. And it leads us to conclude that IF this god exists, he doesn't much care about delivering a clear message.

[@CrossExamined]

Check out this blog on our website! crossexamined.org/are-todays-christians-confused-about-the-gospel/

[@JakeLeidahl]

@@frankguetta9529 A Christian is someone who believes Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead and repents and follows Christ. We all agree on that. When the thief on the cross was saved he humbled himself and asked Jesus to remember him. An act of repentance and belief

[@frankguetta9529]

@ Repents. That’s faith WITH works. Many of your fellow Christians will disagree with you.

[@redfaux74]

Cast a lot of seed but always be looking for good dirt. ❤

[@somerandom3247]

If you want to know why someone doesn't believe your religion, ask them why they don't believe. Asking a completely irrelevant question and drawing baseless assumptions from that is just dishonest. People's reasoning for not wanting Christianity to be true is not the same as their reasoning for not believing. This has been pointed out to you countless times now Frank, and yet you still use this dishonest tactic to avoid tackling the real issue here.

[@jeffreysmith3061]

Ok, why don't you believe?

[@LifeAsALayman]

Frank and his apologist buddies RELY on dishonesty. If they were honest and intellectually consistent, they wouldn't be Christians.

[@somerandom3247]

@jeffreysmith3061 Because i've not seen sufficient evidence to justify believing. And many of the stories seem quite clearly false.

[@frankguetta9529]

@@jeffreysmith3061 I didn’t believe as a kid because I wasn’t taught to believe it and it sounded made up. If I was brought up by a religious family surrounded by religious people and went to church regularly, I’d probably grow up assuming it was true without really critically thinking about it. Now as an adult, all of the science shows us that it isn’t true, many scholars have shown how the whole thing was made up and current believers not only don’t know any of this but actively refuse to educate themselves on it.

[@TommyTroll1.1]

​@@frankguetta9529​ So as an adult, your critical thinking skills led you to believe in pseudoscience concoctions 💉... theorytale claims such as being the descendant of an apelike ancestor... and pseudoclimate propaganda! Sounds like an indoctrination to me, Cardano.

[@rhpicayune]

Some Unreasonable people demand evidence like God literally coming down and standing before them. What makes them any different than people that saw Jesus daily, doing miracles, but didn’t accept Jesus’ lordship ?!? Rebellious.

[@TheContrarian32]

If you and I had the exact same experience….lets say we were even together when this happened. What we perceived to be a person came before us. They didn’t introduce themselves, but simply approached us, smiled and walked away. We both felt a certain sense of calm at the experience. How would we go about identifying this person in any meaningful way?

[@frankguetta9529]

If I appeared in front of you doing miracles would you accept I’m god?

[@vladtheemailer3223]

People want evidence that is not laughable.

[@frankguetta9529]

@@vladtheemailer3223 I quite like the laughable evidence. It just keeps coming.

[@vladtheemailer3223]

@@frankguetta9529 Yeah, I guess people want that as well.

[@aidanya1336]

This question is terrible. As an atheist, the word "christianity" might mean something very different than what Turek means when he says it. He assumes everyone agrees that within "Christianity" is contained certain traits of god. Like all-loving or that god that wants to know you ect. But many atheists do not take that for granted. They might be of the opinion the christian god isn't good or at least all-good. So i can see when asking this question to an atheist. They might say no. Not that they would say no to Tureks version of an actually all-loving god that is perfect, lovey-dovey ect. But to what they understand Christianity to be. I, for one, would not become a christian if the christian god actually caused the flood and drowned everyone on the planet. Because such a god is not compatible with a good god (in my opinion, and gods own moral standard). But an actual all-loving god that wants to know me and doesn't do these terrible things... Sure, i would become a christian if that is Christianity. So if you ever ask this question. Please make sure you first agree on what "Christianity" means in that question.

[@xxChacaronXX]

God will divided the people into two groups… of the left he will put the goats, or the right he will put his sheep” “my sheep hear my voice”

[@larzman651]

Who wants to bet they will argue that question too. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil

[@lawrenceeason8007]

Actually it’s quite simple. 1. If a god revealed itself to me I would no longer be an atheist 2. However, I would have questions for that god. Very problematic questions Not difficult to answer.

[@larzman651]

@lawrenceeason8007 you might , but frank has video where he has asked this question and their reply was it depends on what his rules were and other things

[@lawrenceeason8007]

@@larzman651 okay. And what is wrong with that?

[@larzman651]

@lawrenceeason8007 it proves franks point. Most people if show JESUS is real they still won't come to him

[@lawrenceeason8007]

@@larzman651 I’m asking what is wrong with questioning the rules before you go following someone?

[@gergelymagyarosi9285]

Get this my Christian friends: believing something exists and worshipping something are two distinct acts. You can ask yourself a similar question: if God was evil, would you worship him? So why does Turek assume if his idea of God was real, everyone would immediately worship that?

[@paulrivalto1974]

Joy and contentment! Not happiness! Happiness is predicated on favorable circumstances from man's perspective! Joy and contentment allowed Paul & Silas to break out in songs of praise to the One who caused them to be shackled to the floor of a dungeon bathroom in the middle of a Philippian Jail! Acts 16:25-34, Philippians 4:11-13, 1 Timothy 6:6

[@TooRandomForYou]

The actual issue is you ask a Mormon or Jehovah Witness they’ll say you need works in order to inherit salvation…. Why can’t a person just believe and that’s all ?

[@TheContrarian32]

Depending on how one interprets scripture, you can be saved by faith alone Ephesians 2:8-9 Then you have passages that indicate works are required James 2:24 Thus, a principle difference between orthodox Catholic and Protestants

[@Servant-u9z]

Does that align with the entirety of scripture? If not then it’s a non issue. Most issues and contradictions people point out in the Bible disappear when you properly exegete. It’s the eisegesis that creates all the problems that anti-theists love to say are why they don’t believe.

[@TheContrarian32]

@@Servant-u9z Often it requires taking the context of another author and imposing that upon another in order to reconcile the variations. You’re welcome to do that, but that is not in line with the historical method. Each source should be evaluated on its own accord given the independence of authorship

[@Servant-u9z]

@ nope.

[@TheContrarian32]

@@Servant-u9z Nope what?

[@Fight-t4b]

Jesus heals the broken hearted, all God has shown me is love and forgiveness even after everything I’ve done. He has given me a reason to live and die for, we are here to bring heaven on earth as believers. ❤️💯✝️🪖

[@sovereigngodlisaloves9525]

The reason that practicing sinners get agitated when they hear the gospel is that they're dedicated to their pleasurable iniquity and refuse to part with it, and to yield to authority.

[@lawrenceeason8007]

“Practicing sinners”? Tell me this…why did your god design us to sin?

[@itsJPhere]

What if the authority you speak of is a made-up falsehood? One wouldn't want to give up freedom for a lie, to be a slave of fairy tales.

[@gradyjohnson7853]

​@lawrenceeason8007 please read the section in Genesis that talks about Cain. Cain knew what to do. He had been shown what to do. And didn't do it. Then God even spoke to Him and told Cain. If you do right you will be accepted. Cain just upped the stakes and killed his brother. Because he wanted to.

[@lawrenceeason8007]

@@gradyjohnson7853 and who designed mankind? This god correct?

[@TheGuy..]

​@@lawrenceeason8007 So if God exists, and if you sin, you conclude that it's God that's doing the sinning or making you sin...or you?

[@iriemon1796]

This is the standard Pauline apologist argument. People don't believe in God not because of lack of evidence but because they hate/dislike God and his rules. It conveniently dodges the issue of dubious evidence for God. In fact, in my experience, most people who do not believe in God is because the evidence for God is dubious and so they 1) choose to believe in some other deity or spiritual belief, or 2) don't believe in God at all. Why do apologists try to claim the issue is with attitude towards God as opposed to evidence of God? Because it gets around the problematic issue that the evidence for God is dubious at best. As a result of this insufficient evidence, billions of people have been condemned to eternal agony. It doesn't have to be so. A creator of the universe could establish his existence to the satisfaction of scientific rigor with the blink of His eyes. Billions more would be saved. But instead God does nothing and as a result, millions get eternal agony every year. Why would a "loving" God do this? That is why apologists want to divert the issue from whether their is sufficient evidence of God to a "you just hate God" claim.

[@erikt1713]

If Christianity were true I would definitely become a Christian. I mind it quite a bit that our existence just ends with death just like that of any other animal. Would it not be great to transcend our earthly existence? I understand the dream but I also realize that it is only a dream. There is no evidence whatsoever for God and there are strong indications against the existence of God, such as the great cruelty present in the natural world.

[@gp1284]

The evidence is everywhere. Just your ability to think and ask the questions is evidence. Life on this planet and the factual recorded and preserved evidence in God's word... The fulfilled prophecies are ample evidence. You're just not examining the evidence given. Humble yourself and pray... Ask Him to help you... Of you are sincerely looking you'll be helped. He knows your heart and mind. You can't hide

[@erikt1713]

@@gp1284 The people who wrote about the fulfilled prophecies knew these prophecies and bent their stories to match. For example the messiah was supposed to be from Judaea but the top candidate happened to be from the Galilee, i.e. Jesus of Nazareth. No problem - they sent his mom and dad to a non-existing administrative task in Bethlehem to match the prophecy. Same with the travels in Egypt.

[@CrossExamined]

Check out this podcast episode where Frank answers the question: If God, why evil? crossexamined.org/if-god-why-evil/

[@erikt1713]

@CrossExamined Thanks for sharing. It starts reasonable but the second half becomes increasingly more painful to listen to. Do you really believe that a toddler dying can be justified as it will allow a preacher to rise 500 years later? Is this what you would tell the parents? In the end, given that I first thought about the theodicée 30 years ago there was nothing really new in this. Suffering builds character and is a result of free will - only in some cases. It starts adding up only if you believe in life after death, but there is no indication that we will experience anything after death.

[@RangerRyke]

I think often its not that we don't want there to be a God. Its that the biblical God has abhorrent behavior and we would be couldn't honestly worship him if he was real.

[@jeffreysmith3061]

So which God do you believe in that does not exhibit abhorrent behavior? The God I worship does not owe me anything. I don't think it's abhorrent that the God I worship gave me the gift of free will. The free will to worship Him or not. What greater gift could I ask for?

[@seanpierce9386]

⁠​⁠@@jeffreysmith3061 Your comment on free will assumes that such a God exists. And your also imply that the OP worships a god in some form, which is unlikely. I think you’ve missed the point here. The God of the Bible commands some pretty messed up stuff. Atheists, who actually do know their Bibles and have thought this through, won’t submit to anyone who could commit such actions. They simply apply what they know about humans to God, who (if Christian doctrine holds) should far exceed humans morally.

[@RangerRyke]

@@jeffreysmith3061 depends how you define your God. Is he described as all loving but supposedly killed the global population at one point including the animals? then he's either not all powerful or not all loving and he certainly didn't respect free will.

[@therick363]

I’m sorry to hear that so blunt here Frank but your opening line of “most of the time evidence isn’t the issue”….own of two things as I see it please tell me which it is 1-you’re being intellectually lazy(haven’t done research) 2-being intellectually dishonest(you know better but your argument relies on not been accurate) Yes it’s an evidence thing. We don’t see any good evidence or reason to think any gods exist. Sorry mate but when the first line isn’t accurate or honest….why should we listen to the rest?

[@peterg418]

There’s another side of the coin: Dostoevsky’s The Grand Inquisitor, or even Voltaire. Some are so made that they want comfort, security, and order instead the burden of freedom and the moral responsibility that comes with it. Plus, asking if atheists would become Christians if they found out Christianity were true presumes too much. Don’t we know lots of people who might say they believe in the truth of Christ, but one would never guess they were Christians?

[@dentonhahn2907]

Yes sir, that is true. I've talked with many atheist and even if they say they would be a Christian they want to point out their morality as superior to God. Good video.

[@lawrenceeason8007]

Well, isn’t that a problem? Why should someone believe in something whose morality is inferior?

[@dentonhahn2907]

@lawrenceeason8007 because morality comes from God. More than that it is not that their morality is superior, it is they do not understand justice. God is the arbitrator of all morality.

[@lawrenceeason8007]

@@dentonhahn2907 so you say. I don’t know that to be true. Can your god communicate that message? Secondly, none of that means your god is good or just. Just an assertion that it is And that there is so much immorality that is advocated in the bible shows that we humans largely disagree with biblical immorality

[@dentonhahn2907]

@lawrenceeason8007 I'm sorry you can not read, they do have scripture on audio, give it a listen. Give me an example of God being immoral.

[@lawrenceeason8007]

@@dentonhahn2907I read quite well. Which is why I can point out immoralities in the bible. There are many immoralities in the bible. It starts off with one…a god who curses/punishes all mankind for what 2 people did. Or god murdering children/babies, condoning chattel slavery, instructing its followers to kill their own family if they encourage other gods, executing gay persons, killing people for working on a Saturday, etc

[@josephelliott4117]

Most of us could swallow that a divine creator, created everything millions of years ago and just left it up to every creature to live their best lives. If it was TRUE, of course we would all be Christians for we would have no choice. Hopefully he will clear up all the useless suffering of the people that loved him without fault, while evil people prosper. If he's divine, he shouldn't need constructive criticism from his creations though.

[@avenger4027]

"Constructive criticism" - man, people worshipped literal demons because God wouldn't grant their evil desires! We can't criticize God, not when He originally gave us paradise (which we wasted) and, then, to save us all from irreversible damnation, sacrificed Himself on the cross. Everything is our own damned fault and I'm man enough to admit that.

[@perilousrange]

@@avenger4027 I've read Deuteronomy, 1 Samuel, and 2 Samuel. The morality demonstrated there negates omnibenevolence. Better an absent Creator than one who would endorse that morality.

[@avenger4027]

@@perilousrange No, you didn't read anything and it shows. Deuteronomy is Mosaic law - the most just of all ancient law codices by a long shot. There was no deception in 1 Samuel and 2 Samuel, either.

[@perilousrange]

@@avenger4027 I never mentioned deception. I was speaking to morality. I stand by my comments, and can provide citations to support them. As to your comment of "most just"... Does that mean you support Deuteronomy 28:53?

[@avenger4027]

@@perilousrange "Deception", - because you refer to when God supposedly "deceived" Saul (He only told Samuel to tell Saul about the sacrifice, but not the anointing of David). And 2 Samuel was God illustrating the cost of war to David (because kings usually counted fighting men before attacking someone else with the resulting army). In Deuteronomy, God speaks about how disobedience would inevitably have the Jews leave His protection and, thus, the natural consequences of that when stronger enemies would attack Judea (hence, references to sieges and the hunger that comes to the besieged).

[@Nighttshade121]

Eh... but something being true doesn't inherently mean that people will believe that it's true. I'm a christian and if you asked me if I would believe in Islam if Islam was true, I'd say no... so what does that mean?

[@hansdemos6510]

Only if evidence is the issue can you maintain that people "don't want it to be true". If there is sufficient evidence for your claim, then reality will force people to deal with it, even if they don't like it. But if people can ignore your claim, then apparently you don't have sufficient evidence to make them confront it (whatever "it" is). For example, if your claim is that water exists, nobody can rationally act as if that is not true, even if they didn't want it to be true, because of the overwhelming evidence for the existence of water. But if your claim is that unicorns exist, anyone can rationally act as if that is not true, regardless of whether they would want it to be true or not, because of the paucity of evidence. Same with religions and gods.

[@speedchaser4991]

Christian, believe they go to heaven when they die, and the rest of us go to hell to be tormented forever and ever. But the Jesus of the bible has said: that all the dead, the righteous and the wicked are still in their graves waiting for the return of Christ, the first resurrection John 5:28-29

[@hansdemos6510]

@@speedchaser4991 I am sorry, but I don't understand how your response is relevant to my comment.

[@incredulouspasta3304]

If Molech is real, would you follow Molech? If you hesitate at all, evidence isn't the problem, YOU ARE!

[@SuperEdge67]

What a pile of nonsense. What makes you think you can speak for all the atheists in the world. I don’t care whether god is true or not. But my brain tells me there is not a god.

[@HarryFaber-z7l]

“Si c’est vrai, ce sera une calamité, car cela ferait payer de pauvres malheureux qui n’ont rien”

[@TheContrarian32]

Yes. If Christianity were true, I’d be a Christian. But, I’m not persuaded by the evidence submitted or the arguments lobbied on behalf of the proposition…and so, I am not a Christian. If evolution were true, would you be an evolutionist?

[@Jules-zo4uh]

If evolution were true, it would be true regardless of belief.

[@TheContrarian32]

@@Jules-zo4uh Is that a yes or a no? Edited my OP

[@Jules-zo4uh]

@@TheContrarian32 I’d like to say yes but I believe the truth must be realized.

[@TheContrarian32]

@@Jules-zo4uh Look, I don’t care for Tureks question. It requires me to ignore all the things I’m aware of regarding the faith that cause me not to believe it’s true. I’m simply interacting with the format he laid out to see if Christian’s will be honest about what’s true in the manner Turek is laying out.

[@T0Mmichael1234]

​@@TheContrarian32 When you say "if evolution were true," are you referring to the claim that man is the descendant of an apelike ancestor?

[@samiaziz5]

They want the, My Will be done, mantra.. not the Thy Will be done..! 🎉

[@CrossExamined]

😭😭😭

[@festushaggen2563]

People don’t come to Christian channels everyday insulting God, the Bible and Christians for “a lack of evidence”. Atheism is purely personal and those behaviors emphasize just how much. Whether it begins that way or it ends that way, it’s the same. “There is no God and I don’t like Him.”

[@profsaiontz]

Psalm 14:1. Nothing more to be stated.

[@lawrenceeason8007]

I do so because it is important for religion, any religion, to be aware of the truth of its shortcomings. Otherwise it is potentially dangerous

[@festushaggen2563]

@@profsaiontz That’s the short and sweet version. Romans 1:18-22 is my personal favorite.

[@profsaiontz]

@festushaggen2563 Thank you, that is now my detailed fav as well. Atheists, scoffers and mockers probably know about Romans 1: 18-22 and don't care. Wow to them. 🥺

[@profsaiontz]

** woe ** 👍

[@jeffwilson9172]

How disingenuous. Evidence is the problem. But not the only problem. If in fact it was true, why would anyone want to worship such a jealous and vindictive god.

[@Servant-u9z]

What’s wrong with jealousy and vindictiveness in your worldview?

[@Eddieshred]

@@Servant-u9z 🤦‍♂

[@jeffwilson9172]

@@Servant-u9z Really? Same as your worldview I would hope. Except I am not counting on some imaginary reward.

[@Servant-u9z]

@@jeffwilson9172 would you rather answer my question instead?

[@JamesWatson-h4h]

Even if your god was real he is evil and not worth worshipping. Even if you proved its existence i would not follow it. Its evil. That question isnt a good one. LolXD

[@T0Mmichael1234]

Wholey Moley, twinkle 💃 toes, I can feel the venom in that comment. Good grief, Ù might wanna get that spiteful feminine side... under control there before it lands Ù in some hot water 😱. ☝️ Snow❄️flake gone wild ☝️

[@HarryFaber-z7l]

@@T0Mmichael1234 Have you ever watched the biggest mouth in the playground announcing what violent punishment he would give to the biggest bully in the playground when the bully asks the mouth to put up or shut up? When a human has an encounter with God, it isn't God that is changed..............

[@T0Mmichael1234]

​@@HarryFaber-z7l And THAT is a FACT, Harry. No disagreement from me on that one, brother.

[@JamesWatson-h4h]

@HarryFaber-z7l god isn't real so your analogy doesn't apply.

[@HarryFaber-z7l]

@@JamesWatson-h4h You hope.

[@mrtaxi072]

Some people in Jesus' time saw Jesus do miracles and signs and some even saw Him raised from the dead, and still didn't want to follow God. It's true, evidence (proof) is not the issue with many people

[@lawrenceeason8007]

I will answer Mr Turek’s question quite simply: 1. If a god revealed itself to me I would no longer be an atheist 2. However, I would have questions for that god. Very problematic questions Your question is not difficult to answer Mr Turek. And I will tell you, it is most definitely evidence…and logic…that prevents me from having confidence in your claims of a god.

[@mlwilliams4407]

1. is not true. He has, and you still are an atheist.

[@timdark4733]

God's splendor is all around you right now. You are just to desensitized to see it. Everything good in your life is a blessing and miracle from God. From the perfect amount of gravity and co2 , to the prefect distance the sun and the moon are. If you're an evolutionist, evidence and logic are just social constructs made by a cosmic accident with delusions of meaning.

[@T0Mmichael1234]

It's simply astonishing the amount of arrogance a self described descendant of an apelike ancestor can spew.

[@therick363]

@@mlwilliams44071-how has this god proven itself?

[@therick363]

@@timdark4733prove it all came from a god…..

[@alfredfleming3289]

If we could understand everything about God,,,He would be a small god.

[@mattr.1887]

Frank, what if the real God is not the Christian God but something else? And you refuse to submit to the true God, because you want to be in charge of your own life? You believe what you want to believe, not where the truth actually leads. Now you're heading to hell, Frank. Why do you hate God so much? Evidence is not the problem. Your heart is the problem, Frank.

[@festushaggen2563]

If there were another, you’d be haunting the channels dedicated to that one and saying the same things.

[@williamcrooksii9139]

But that's what hes entire channel is about. Evidence of the bible and evidence outside the bible to see if its true. With the Evidence before him and many others he believes in the Biblical God. Like John Lennox who is a great mathematician its hard for him with the evidence before him not to believe in the biblical God. So unless you can provide new evidence before them that is good than don't think they are going to change there minds. Also many great people are becoming Christian.Richard Dawkins’ former “right hand man” Josh Timonen and Ayaan hirsi ali who was a atheist smashing Christians before becoming one. There has to be some evidence for minds much greater than my own to be turning to that book.

[@lawrenceeason8007]

Yes so many gods to believe in…and not one of them showing us it actually exists

[@criticalthinker2477]

​@@festushaggen2563​ it's seems as this is your only argument you ever make against atheism. I wonder why you never actually engage us in the evidence we present against religion. You wonder why we only post on Christian channels? Well maybe because Christianity is the only religion that affects us. American culture is saturated with it. It's the only one that has hijacked the republican party in the US which sets policy that impacts our day-to-day lives. Why would I care about other religions? I don't have to convince anybody that muslim jihadists are bad.

[@DepthCharge01]

I might figure out that it's more of a heart problem by asking them if they're familiar with the stories from the Bible. If they are, then it's simply a matter of asking them what they think of certain stories.

[@lawrenceeason8007]

It is indeed part heart problem. I cannot support the various immoralities

[@ioioiotu]

Maybe most believers ignore the evidence against god because they have a heart problem: you couldn't stand no heaven for them and their loved ones and no hell for their enemies.

[@therick363]

@@lawrenceeason8007no it’s not a heart problem

[@DepthCharge01]

@@ioioiotu Heaven and H311 are choices. In Eternity, you're either with Him or you're not. If you put something out someone else before Him, you've effectively chosen to be without Him.

[@lawrenceeason8007]

@@therick363I think it’s part heart problem. The immorality advocated in the bible is offensive

[@geoffreyedwards6691]

As a former atheist, I found my disbelief was from a lack of humility. When God broke through, I realized that I could bend the knee to God, but not to anyone or anything else. I don't want to speak to other atheist's disasters...I'm just convinced that people would rather bend the knee to addiction, power, fame, sex, money and to evil for the sake of evil. In this respect, humility makes you strong, and I think those who don't want to be humble assume humility makes you weak.

[@frankguetta9529]

You weren’t an atheist.

[@therick363]

And what of atheists who do have humility and still don’t think any gods exist?

[@geoffreyedwards6691]

@@therick363 I said I wouldn't speak for you.

[@LifeAsALayman]

I often hear stories from people who say they used to be atheists, yet when pressed on the matter, none of them can present any good reason why they changed their minds. So what was your story? Down on your luck and looking for hope? Drug addict who needed to put responsibility elsewhere? A rebellious teenager from a religious family who came "back"?

[@mlwilliams4407]

Beautifully stated! All humans are extremely finite and imperfect, thus without humility the imperfect human will live a drastically inferior life in all sorts of ways (especially following imperfect human-made belief systems like atheism).

[@theresec.6184]

Or maybe some people did the actual research and made a factual decision that things didn't add up.

[@itsJPhere]

Wanting to be in control of your own life is called adulthood. You just have to grow up and leave the childish things behind.

[@jeffreysmith3061]

Assuming you believe that the universe was not divinely created but rather it came from "nothing". Then is it childish to believe in the virgin birth of the universe but deny the virgin birth of Christ?

[@LifeAsALayman]

The evasion of responsibility is a central aspect of Christianity, so it's no wonder they prefer entrusting all things with their supernatural father-figure.

[@avenger4027]

On the contrary, wanting to "control" your own life with no principles or responsibilities is called childhood! Adulthood is recognition of things like duty and need over one's own wants!

[@mattr.1887]

It sounds like you and him are in agreement.

[@yajeel]

You’re not in ultimate control of your life. It’s called reality.

[@qw2ps4]

The Bible is quite clear when it tells us God is the same yesterday, today, and forever! This means He is the rock that doesn't change, yet todays Christians say He He did, which totally contradicts these passages. They'll tell you He changed His Holy Day, His holy eating laws, His festival times, etc .... exactly as Daniel7:25 predicts! They, the Christians, have followed in the footsteps of Israel.... But God did say they're a foolish nation that lacks understanding!

[@Eddieshred]

The Bible is clear? Really? Your holy book is contradicting itself on almost every page. One minute God wants to do this and the next minute a mortal human managed to change God's mind. The God of the Old Testament is an evil maniac but in the New Testament Jesus is rather a softy. If you claim this is unchanging behaviour, you're using doublespeak.

[@qw2ps4]

​@@Eddieshred Wrong

[@Eddieshred]

@ How does that possibly sound unchanging to you? Lol.

[@GeorgeVanderkuur]

Does anyone see that this is a strawman argument? i.e. Knock down the false premise that skeptics don’t want to be controlled by God.

[@UC4able]

There's free will so no one is being controlled by anyone. If you want to live your life separate from God, he's not gonna hold you back. Christians willingly choose to follow God because his son died on the cross for our sins and then rose from the dead and defeated evil for good. It requires obedience on our part, it wouldn't be love if we were controlled by God.

[@TheContrarian32]

It is absolutely a fallacious argument.

[@PROVEIT2]

It's their only way to be heard. Logic and evidence are their worst enemy.

[@vladtheemailer3223]

​@@UC4ableYou don't have free will under the christian god.

[@williamgreenfield9991]

@@UC4able If you think evil has been defeated then you simply aren't paying attention.

[@maxhagenauer24]

How do you know that evidence isn't the problem most of the time? I mean even those who don't believe but heard and areca part of the current religion they are in like most are just likely don't care to put a lot of time into evidence for other religions like Christianity but they got everyday life and living they do like their family for generations. Also, not wanting it to be true doesn’t mean thats the reason one believes it isn't.

[@cosyton1]

Lack of evidence is the most frequent state. When people are not raised as christian and christianity is not around them everywhere, bible is just a collection of fairytailes and they don't even have a motivation to study it properly to look for other problems it could have. It is clearly visible in some countries in Europe, where religion is not a thing and not a part of life for majority of people.

[@maxhagenauer24]

@@cosyton1 ​When you say lack of evidence is the most frequent state, I'm not sure what you mean by that. If you mean it's the most common reason people have against it, I don't think so. I think the majority is a mix of people not taking the time or caring, or that they are involved in another religion already. If you mean the lack of evidence is the current problem with it, I would agree but that's not what i was trying to say. When people are not raised as christian and christianity is not around them everywhere, it does not mean the bible is just a collection of fairytailes and they don't even have a motivation to study it properly to look for other problems it could have. First, I wouldn't call it fairytale even though I do not believe it and there is arguably good evidence for it. People being raised not as christian and christianity is not around them doesn't make it any more true or false of religion. And people don't have enough motivation to study it properly to look for problems with it, assuming it has problems which again is another discussion, but it is true that many don't take the time to care really. You say it is clearly visible in some countries in Europe, where religion is not a thing and not a part of life for majority of people which in a way is true but not fully because religion is definition still existent in Europe.

[@cosyton1]

​@@maxhagenauer24 I mean that lack evidence is the most frequent factor. But i mean in a broad sense, not that they missing some hardcore proof, but that they miss anything that would even slightly point to a direction that it could be true. Most people nor raised in any religion view christiany as very unlikely that they have no motivation to look deeper into it. That is what i mean by the lack of evidence. Fairy tales is accurate, in secular societies things like creation in Genesis 1, garden of Eden, the flood or resurrection are just mythological stories on the same level as Perseus and Medusa or Théseus and Minotaur. They are fun themes in books and movies, but no one take them seriously. Religion is still existent, but is dying out very quickly. In my city it is only 10% of religious people in youngest adult generation.

[@maxhagenauer24]

@@cosyton1 You mean the lack of evidence is the most frequent factor, which I was asking what you meant by that exactly, if you are saying that's why most people disagree with it then I disagree. But you mean in a broad sense as you say, not that they missing some hardcore proof, but that they miss anything that would even slightly points to a direction that it could be true, and I don't think I would agree. I do not find eyewitness testimony, especially in this case, to be resalable enough but they have manuscripts and many witnesses and testimonies form other sources, so that is still something that points at least slightly in the direction that it could be true. To say Fairy tales is accurate, in secular societies things like creation in Genesis 1, garden of Eden, the flood or resurrection are just mythological stories on the same level as Perseus and Medusa or Théseus and Minotaur, I can see how Genesis has the context like its not suppose to be taken literal and I guess can be called "fairy tale" if that were true. But many do not believe is is fairy tale and believe the Genesis account of creation is accurate and things like the Garden of eden existed, the flood ore resurrection as well. But the resurrection is kind of a different story that argument does have really good evidence. Perseus and Medusa or Theseus and Minotour on the other hand we know are made of stories and everyone agree they are. They are fun themes in books and movies, but no one take them seriously. To say that religion is still existent, but is dying out very quickly, is that even true? Christianity has only grown in popularity. In your city it is only 10% of religious people in youngest adult generation, but do you live in like Europe or something? Because its not as big over there but religion is not dying out around the world.

[@Syrin23]

Not a fan of that question at all

[@JoinUsInVR]

Why

[@Syrin23]

@@JoinUsInVR Because these atheists are not motivated by rewards that they already scoff at thinking the Christian version of Heaven is going to be boring indentured servitude. The question I would ask is "If you knew you were going to burn in hell for eternity, would you change your life to avoid that?". While atheists don't believe in God, they also don't believe in hell, and if pressed HARD, and looked deep down inside, they would admit that even though they deny an after life, they think that just by being a "nice person", they have all bases covered. They don't believe there will be ETERNAL negative repercussions for their denial and blasphemy. This goes to the fundamental nature of the people we are dealing with. Most are liberals, and liberals only believe in negative motivation.

[@lawrenceeason8007]

⁠​⁠@@Syrin23there are no “bases to be covered” for an afterlife because I don’t believe such a thing exists. I’m a proud liberal. What “negative motivation” do I believe in?

[@Syrin23]

@@lawrenceeason8007 Your side cancels people, targets individuals, supports PDFILES and worse, is a grand force of perpetual destruction. And enjoy hell. You got the path there covered both ways.

[@drumrnva]

0:33 "they're really not in it to discover what is true". I've watched a ton of content by this creator. I have never once had the impression that he was trying to discover what's true. He claims to have found the truth, and wishes to reassure people who already believe it as well. He is one of the least curious people I've ever seen, at least in his online persona. Aim higher, folks. This man does not want you to think beyond the narrow confines of his Christian theist perspective.

[@TheoSkeptomai3]

Well stated. I concur completely.

[@chloemartel9927]

Do tell us how your highly evolved thinking has benefited you and your eternity.

[@TheContrarian32]

@@chloemartel9927 You inadvertently demonstrated his point….

[@chloemartel9927]

@@TheContrarian32only in your perverted mind.

[@mamusipipalisajelo5419]

yeah Frank Turek isn't the highest quality person I think, but oh well

[@JonathanWetmore-i4s]

It is a heart problem. This gods heart is wicked and our hearts will not align with its imposed imaginary “authoritative” & subjective morality.

[@PROVEIT2]

I have an important question for believers: "with out using the bible how can you prove that jesus was divine?" Good luck.

[@RaySanders-vp2ql]

To believers the Bible is true because the Bible says it is true. Without quoting the Bible Christians have no evidence for their god.

[@HarryFaber-z7l]

@@RaySanders-vp2ql To believers, the Bible is true because God says it is true.

[@RaySanders-vp2ql]

@@HarryFaber-z7l Allah says the Koran is true. And you know that isn't true. How is your assertion any proof your god exists?

[@HarryFaber-z7l]

@ Moslems say that Allah says the Q'ran is true. Parts of it are. You struggle with the difference between 'knowing' and 'believing'. I guess I'll just have a party bucket and leave.

[@TheContrarian32]

@@HarryFaber-z7l What aspects of the NT do you believe are true and which do you know are true?

[@qw2ps4]

Jesus isn't the problem. The problem is with people .... many celebrate Him the same way the pagans celebrate their god during saturnalia!

[@Crimzon_Nova]

Exactly

[@johnrichards6080]

He can't provide sufficient evidence, so he attacks the person asking for it.

[@shaunvanwyk4775]

I can provide sufficient evidence that you suck. Still looking for evidence about the excistance of God? Poor soul at this point you made a choice. And it is not due to lack of proof. Its just that you suck so much. However Jesus still loves you. 🎉 Now go cry about it.

[@JML542]

No, he provides evidence if they indicate that it would be helpful. But if nothing will change their mind, then they're just arguing to hear themselves talk. He might as well move on to answer people who actually want to know.

[@ioioiotu]

@@JML542 If tomorrow the sky turns red and big bright letters will appear in the sky spelling "JML542 is right, there is a god and Jesus did raise from the dead" i will believe that Jesus is god. If not i won't. Then if christianity turns out to be true i can just point that god had the chance to make me a believer but chose not to, and i can't be blamed for that choice.

[@jeffreysmith3061]

You missed the point of the video. He didn't "attack" anyone. He's trying to ascertain they're motivation and sincerity in finding the truth. There's no point in taking the time to prove anything if someone is not open to receiving it. You obviously have not seen most of his material as it provides mountains of evidence for God's existence. So the fundamental question still remains, if you were shown the truth, would you believe?

[@LifeAsALayman]

@@jeffreysmith3061 Yes, and the way he tried to ascertain their motivation and sincerity in finding the truth was to accuse them of being obstinate and wanting to be "their own God." This is an attack. You're right to say that there's no point in taking the time to prove anything if someone is not open to receiving it, but this is an accusation you can make to someone that may not be warranted. This is why Frank's attack comes across as an attempt to obfuscate the fact that he doesn't have good enough evidence.

[@JonathanWetmore-i4s]

Prove there is a god who is in control. One’s personhood should be the only authority over their own wellbeing not an imaginary being. Natural laws “created/designed” our universe. If it were true why I should worship a petty god which condones slavery, genocide, misogyny, rape, genital mutilation, animal sacrifice, infanticide, etc etc The Bible or any other holy text has no inherent authority or meaning. We are on a truth quest. The evidence led me out of faith and that hurts people like you because we won’t buy into it and line your pocketbook. I’m much happier now that I won’t berate myself for minute mistakes as I’m only human. Our human origins had a humble beginning and we are born whole and unblemished without any so called “sin nature”. I don’t do “fun/destructive” things. I take care of myself and those I love because we are a social species who desires for fellow man to thrive. You are projecting your indoctrinated beliefs onto others which isn’t an accurate representation of most non-believers. You asserted Jesus is the truth without proving it and equate believing it with having a moral upright life when in contrast it is self righteous behavior. Prayer does nothing and you don’t know my heart…

[@alex_uhh]

Sir, if you think Jesus Christ condones those things then you are mistaken. If you read the sermon on the mount, there you will see His morality, and it’s far above what is here today. He’s not a mean God condoning rape and genocide etc He’s a kind and loving God who humbled Himself, came down in human form, was tortured, and killed just so that we could be absolved of our sin debt and live with Him. He died for you sir. I’m sorry you used to berate yourself for wrongdoing, that’s not at all what He has planned for you. Therefore there is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. Reexamine Him. He is calling you back to Him 🫶

[@JonathanWetmore-i4s]

@@alex_uhh God is not patient, god is not kind, god is envious/jealous, god boasts, god is proud, god dishonors others, god is self seeking, god is easily angered, and god most definitely keeps all records of wrongs. By gods own definition of what love is he sure as hell does not follow it.

[@alex_uhh]

@JonathanWetmore-i4s not sure where you came to believe that. Here’s what He says “But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil.” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭6‬:‭35‬ ‭ESV‬‬ He is indeed kind. “For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more.”” ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8‬:‭12‬ ‭ESV‬‬ Does not keep record of all wrongdoing. “Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.” ‭‭John‬ ‭15‬:‭13‬ ‭ESV‬‬ “For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will scarcely die for a righteous person-though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die- but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭5‬:‭6‬-‭8‬ ‭ESV‬‬ Is it self seeking to die for the benefit of others? I don’t believe it is. You may not want to, but you owe it to yourself to reexamine Jesus Christ, who He was, and what He did.

[@TheoSkeptomai3]

​@@alex_uhhDo YOU owe to yourself to reexamine your own beliefs?

[@alex_uhh]

@@TheoSkeptomai3absolutely, He’s showing me more and more things that I believe to be true about myself, Him, this world etc that aren’t true. In this way, I am constantly reexamining my beliefs and do infact owe it to myself to do so, as truth is extraordinarily important. And truly looking into Him is something I wish I did sooner. If Jesus Christ is truly who He claimed to be, and His sacrifice is real, then that is the most important truth in existence. But if He is not who He said He was, then everything He claimed and did, along with my faith, is entirely meaningless. Luckily the evidence points in my favor, and I suggest everyone takes the time to adequately examine Him and seek the truth about Him. If you asked me a few years ago what I believed about the world, God, our purpose here, etc, my answer would have been radically different than it is now. Take it or leave it, it’s your choice, but Jesus Christ is Truth, and has changed my life for the better. I was lost, and He found me. And so I encourage you to seek Him.

[@frankguetta9529]

Laughably wrong from the get go.

[@canigetachannel]

Meaning?

[@frankguetta9529]

@@canigetachannel We simply don’t believe it. It’s that simple.

[@Clipzilla42]

@@frankguetta9529What’s your reason?

[@Leslieisaboynametoo]

@@frankguetta9529 But believe it or not there are reasons we don't believe.

[@MrKreationsHD]

@@frankguetta9529What do you believe then?

[@hansdemos6510]

Dr. Turek claims that _"Jesus is the truth."_ If he provides sufficient objectively convincing evidence for that claim, I can rationally accept it. However, nobody has ever provided sufficient objectively convincing evidence for any supernatural claim, so this is not going to happen. Dr. Turek also claims that believing or faith is not a matter of the head, but of the heart. If that is so, then we cannot choose to believe or have faith, just like we cannot choose to love or hate or will anything that we consider to be a matter of the heart. But if that is the case, then how can a just God condemn us for something we have no control over? Such a God cannot be called just, or good, or loving.

[@williamcrooksii9139]

Thank God I am not God. I cant even get 75% of my life together and that's on a good day and at 1:58 just hit 40 last August lol.

[@CrossExamined]

😭😭😭

[@MrBlakeleyden]

I think the question implies that a person could know with 100% certainty that Christianity is true, but the reality is that God still requires us to have faith. It’s certainly not a blind faith thing. There is a lot of evidence to support it, but aside from some kind of supernatural encounter with Jesus, the evidence can’t get them all the way there. Thus it seems like a gamble, to some extent. I’m not sure if It’s the best way to put the question because of this. It’s not necessarily a bad question, but maybe not a great one either.

[@somerandom3247]

So many people claim there is evidence, but I'm yet to see anyone present anything that actually justifies believing that any gods exist. You mentioned that it isn't a blind faith, but the rest of your comment seems to indicate it is.

[@ta3p-theannex3project84]

What God? Seen the followers. Some good some bad, just like real people Some very bad. No different.

[@willievanstraaten1960]

Turek 0:31: “When they have to admit that they're really not in it to discover what is true they want to believe what they want” You are describing your twisted superstitious belief. You don’t want to face facts and truth from your Bible that your god is an atrocious, barbarous, immoral fictional demigod. The truth and facts are in the Bible.

[@frankguetta9529]

Classic religious projection. Psychologists say that it’s caused by the ego unable to accept that this is what they believe so they project it onto others.

[@CountrySingerWannabe]

This is so true and I love listening to Dr Turek. My go to question for most is "Do you have children?". My response, "Then proof isn't what you need, you need faith".

[@itsJPhere]

What is faith? How do you get faith? Is faith reliable or not, can faith fail you?

[@CountrySingerWannabe]

@ the point is, many feel proof comes before faith. Think of it like a person starting a new business. They may be weary of their potential for success. But, they have faith in their plan. Faith is the harder item to truly obtain. The proof? Well, that is all around us all day and everyday.

[@TheGuy..]

​@@itsJPhere In the new testament both English words faith and belief have been translated from one Greek word πίστις. They are the same thing. In English however, faith is often understood as trusting in something without any evidence. That would be the irrational leap of belief/faith... not the Christian faith. The biblical Christian faith/belief is supposed to be a rational evidence based faith/belief. Christ and the apostles gave evidence for our faith. Creation gives evidence for our faith. Our immaterial spiritual nature is evidence for our faith. So to answer your question...you get faith from the evidence. An irrational leap of faith without evidence can fail you. By that standard you can have faith in (believe) anything. If God exists, the rational faith can save you. The question is whether or not you accept the evidence God gives.

[@MightyPotato22]

Hahahaha, he proved total depravity, because if someone doesn't want God but changes their mind because if smth else than the Holy Spirit, than that would be something the person did for God's grace, it would be works based salvation

[@JayBiggsGamingYT]

Now watch as they try and argue around the question and avoid answering it :(

[@sterlingfallsproductions3930]

I answered it. Just because Christianity is true doesn't mean I would have to follow it or agree with it. Analogy, if you knew a baby was gonna be born and that baby would grow up to kill millions. Would you want that baby aborted? See you can see abortion as wrong and that's true to you but... would you let millions die knowing you could have saved them?

[@itsJPhere]

Christianity means different things to people. There are so many Bibles and so many denominations. There's no real answer to the question since no one can agree on what Christianity even means.😂

[@lawrenceeason8007]

Your question is not difficult to answer Mr Turek. And I will tell you, it is most definitely evidence…and logic…that prevents me from having confidence in your claims of a god.

[@JayBiggsGamingYT]

@@itsJPhere case in point

[@therick363]

When the first part isn’t accurate or correct…….. It IS about evident Frank can’t handle that

[@nickma71]

The first 10 seconds...correct. It is about time. They don't want it to be true. They shake their fist at him.

[@lawrenceeason8007]

No. If a god…if it was a good god…existed that would be cool. But none are evident to exist…so I go on about my life

[@nickma71]

@ You don’t need to tell me you ride the short bus. The idea that nothing created everything is the most illogical position ever. Enjoy the lake of fire. Weeping and wailing, gnashing and teeth because you shake your fist at him because you don’t want to be told you’re wrong. Take care. Actually you can respond you get the last word.

[@gradyjohnson7853]

Same as Cain.

[@therick363]

No the first 10 seconds aren’t correct Are you saying it either god or nothing as the only options?

[@somerandom3247]

​@@nickma71 Straight out the gate with insults, a strawman, and threats of violence..... Where is the evidence to support your view that a god exists? Why go off on a random rant instead of addressing the problem raised?

[@Murph2-e5z]

💯✝😊👍

[@Dah_J]

This is also why atheists often respond in such a bitter way towards Christianity. If it were just another random world view, they wouldn’t even give it any thought. But Christianity is offensive to those who want to be their own God, and hence become angry when it’s brought up

[@therick363]

And for those atheists who aren’t being their own god and simply aren’t convinced?

[@lawrenceeason8007]

No the bible is offensive in the severe immoralities it advocates

[@Dah_J]

@ I’d have the know the person. There isn’t a one sized fits all answer. One thing is for sure though. The main source of evidence should come from our loving actions towards others. Not getting caught in the weeds of apologetical arguments.

[@therick363]

@ you’d have known the person? Like you’d know that atheist?

[@TommyTroll1.1]

​@@lawrenceeason8007 As a self described liberal snowflake, who subscribes to morality being subjective, you might wanna rein in your self righteous delusion just a 🤏 little bit there, captain 🫡 America 🇺🇸...

[@phoenixanimations5233]

if god is evil would you worship him?.... and suddenly you do not want to answer that question.

[@zsoltnagy5654]

If that God of yours would actually exist, then both _"believing in its existence before seeing its existence"_ as well as *"seeing its existence before believing in its existence"* would be possible. Yet only one of those two things is possible. So therefore that God of yours doesn't actually exist - at least not concretely anyways but only imaginarily in your mind and imagination.

[@ianmatthew5824]

I'm sorry my friend but that statement is outrageous-If there was proof of an after life most people would do whatever it takes to get there.

[@Berean_with_a_BTh]

No, they wouldn't. Try asking a few people you know who aren't Christians but believe in a god whether they think they'll go to heaven when they die. Most will say 'yes' and, if you ask them why, they'll tell you it's because they're a good person. And some of these people you know lie, steal, fornicate, and generally want nothing to do with the god they think is going to give them a free pass into heaven.

[@andrewschafer8986]

lol 😂

[@vinnyrac]

A steaming pile of Strawman. Next.

[@MrWeezer55]

'Evidence isn't their problem. THEY are their problem.' 'THEY want to believe what they want to believe.' Christianity in a nutshell.

[@andywomack3414]

The arrogance of this person on full display.

[@panamanianviking3153]

Its called knowledge and experience, its different. And look who is the judgemental one. Accept you just dont like Jesus

[@andywomack3414]

@@panamanianviking3153 For me Jesus was someone who saw the danger of Jewish fanaticism, preached peace and condemned wealth. He also seemed to preach acceptance of Roman rule. I think the image of a man not Jesus, nailed to a cross naked being tortured to death to be disgusting and disturbing. It is no wonder then that the history of the Christian religion is one of great violence, intolerance and atrocity. And the influence of Christian fanatics on our own government has lead to an acceptance of the Israeli ethnic cleansing of Palestine and the genocide of the Palestinian people. Do you eagerly await the apocalyptic war of good versus evil and the second coming of Christ? Such evil thinking.

[@kinggenius930]

That's a terrible question to ask a skeptic

[@somerandom3247]

I don't mind the question. It needs some clarification, like what becoming a christian actually means. The conclusion he draws from it is ridiculous tho. Completely irrelevant.

[@HarryFaber-z7l]

You are definitely a sceptic.

[@rolandwatts3218]

Atheist here. //... they don't want to give up their autonomy to a God that's in control ...// I think for a lot of us, we don't want to give up our autonomy on a promise from other fallible humans that [their version of] God exists. We don't believe any God/god exists, and so we don't want to give up our autonomy to God/god. ^^ Frank is not the great mind reader he appears to think he is. // ... they want to believe what they want to believe.// Pot calling kettle black? // ... if Christianity were true would you become a Christian?// Of course. Why not? If Islam were true and Christianity was not true, would Christians become Muslims? ^^^ But hey, given all the disputes between Christians over who is the true Christian and who is the false Christian, the damnable heretic or the wolf in sheep's clothing, then which version of the faith is Frank referring to? //...The only way to get contentment and happiness is through truth and Jesus is the truth.// Statistics don't exactly bear that out. Reality is not as simplistic as Frank tries to make out. Etc, and etc.

[@gi169]

How could you possibly be an atheist. You haven't studied all of the worlds belief systems and determined them to be false, since that is the case that makes you a m0r0n.

[@TheoSkeptomai3]

Hello. I am an atheist. I define atheism as suspending any acknowledgment as to the reality of any particular god until sufficient credible evidence is presented. My situation is that *_I currently have no good reason to acknowledge the reality of any god._* And here is why I currently hold to such a position. Below are 11 facts I must consider when evaluating the claim made by certain theists that a particular god exists in reality. To be clear, these are not premises for any argument which _concludes_ there to be no gods. These are simply facts I must take into account when evaluating the verity of such a claim. If any of the following facts were to be contravened at a later time by evidence, experience, or sound argument, I would THEN have good reason to acknowledge such a reality. 1. I have never been presented with a functional definition of a god. 2. I personally have never observed a god. 3. I have never encountered any person who has claimed to have observed a god. 4. I know of no accounts of persons claiming to have observed a god that were willing or able to demonstrate or verify their observation for authenticity, accuracy, or validity. 5. I have never been presented with any _valid_ logical argument, which also introduced demonstrably true premises that lead deductively to an inevitable conclusion that a god(s) exists in reality. 6. Of the many logical syllogisms I have examined arguing for the reality of a god(s), I have found all to contain a formal or informal logical fallacy or a premise that can not be demonstrated to be true. 7. I have never observed a phenomenon in which the existence of a god was a necessary antecedent for the known or probable explanation for the causation of that phenomenon. 8. Several proposed (and generally accepted) explanations for observable phenomena that were previously based on the agency of a god(s), have subsequently been replaced with rational, natural explanations, each substantiated with evidence that excluded the agency of a god(s). I have never encountered _vice versa._ 9. I have never knowingly experienced the presence of a god through intercession of angels, divine revelation, the miraculous act of divinity, or any occurrence of a supernatural event. 10. Every phenomenon that I have ever observed appears to have *_emerged_* from necessary and sufficient antecedents over time without exception. In other words, I have never observed a phenomenon (entity, process, object, event, process, substance, system, or being) that was created _ex nihilo_ - that is instantaneously came into existence by the solitary volition of a deity. 11. All claims of a supernatural or divine nature that I have been presented have either been refuted to my satisfaction or do not present as _falsifiable._ ALL of these facts lead me to the only rational conclusion that concurs with the realities I have been presented - and that is the fact that there is *_no good reason_* for me to acknowledge the reality of any particular god. I have heard often that atheism is the denial of the Abrahamic god. But denial is the active rejection of a substantiated fact once credible evidence has been presented. Atheism is simply withholding such acknowledgment until sufficient credible evidence is introduced. *_It is natural, rational, and prudent to be skeptical of unsubstantiated claims, especially extraordinary ones._* I welcome any cordial response. Peace.

[@johnalexir7634]

Very thorough, good points. As a skeptic myself I can relate to all of this. Hopefully people can see from this list that it's not based on some kind of fist-shaking defiance, it's simply not having seen a strong enough case for theistic/religious claims.

[@TheoSkeptomai3]

@johnalexir7634 Thank you for your kind reply of support. I seldom receive them. Peace.

[@gailnowaski7336]

You have not presented “facts” yourself- just “opinion” - nothing shown to your “satisfaction”. It would be useful for you to read and research many of the insightful and detailed work of writers like Dr Turek, Dry J Warner Wallace, Lee Strobel etc etc-/ detailed work both from a believer background and atheistic so that you are aware of the details instead of just asserting statements. May God bless your inquiries.

[@TheoSkeptomai3]

@gailnowaski7336 All 11 of my statements are factual. Honest, authentic, and accurate self-report is considered facual. Are you asserting that I am not honest, authentic, accurate in my "opinions"? Yes or no.

[@TheoSkeptomai3]

@gailnowaski7336 How did you determine I _haven't_ read those three authors? Please be specific.

[@sethhornaday5943]

A god burning me with a broken neck warping my mind induceing psychosis This god Is so sadistic 😂🎉😢

[@anthonycrumb5753]

I will become a Christian when you can prove it and so much more of your BS is true. Please don't ever expect me or anyone like me to accept things on faith 'cos that is not gonna happen, faith is the most dishonest position a peson can hold.