HEMA | Swordfish 2018 - Open Longsword FINALS

[@crisco362]

And the winner is HENRY OF SKALITZ!!!!!!!

[@workingpeon9316]

From the company of sir Radzig KOBYLA!

[@kamikazemelon787]

:) gotta replay that soon

[@MT_199]

Having proved his combat skills in this round, he shall proceed to the next round!

[@muaral-rasheed2565]

I bet black Antoni is waiting for him on the exit....

[@wisewigga7129]

@@muaral-rasheed2565 broke his head

[@scaledsupremacy817]

Steel for humans, silver for monsters.

[@Pidalin]

lead for nazis

[@TheGodTell]

gold for witchers

[@parrisxsummers]

“Both swords are for monsters”

[@haelmannwind181]

And coins for Witcher

[@Eldoncho]

Leather for enchantress

[@TurulHEMA]

I just love the video tags on this: katana, ninja, anime, manga, ghost of tsushima, japan, Japanese, for honor, etc. . .

[@keithb4077]

#Conan #Highlander #KillBill #HeMan

[@Abnormalproductions2]

Gotta get that ad revenue I guess...

[@5chr4pn3ll]

Gotta try and teach people how to do things properly.

[@emersonherrera3519]

이진건 HEMA is the dark souls of sports.

[@ViciouSExorcisT]

Consider this small part of the video tags a targeted advertisement of this amazing sport for the people who spend time on the internet and enjoy sword fighting online. I'm just keeping everyone up to date. :) Truth be told, I did want to put "cute cats" in there as well, but unfortunately no cats were shown during the match.

[@thecensoredcrusader]

>Hears Witcher 3 >AWWWWWWWWWW SHIET I completely missed the entire intro cause i have to go ham on that jam

[@michaeltheisen]

Le Le Le! Le Le le le Le! Le Le le le Le! Le Le Le! Le le Le le Le leee le

[@dustinsmith2021]

Also because it’s 3 times louder than the dude talking...

[@koczan8464]

@@dustinsmith2021 becouse its beautiful*

[@NDNNDeNd]

Yes.

[@jammyjimson-jones1118]

It was sweet how Sergy only started smiling when he began talking about his daughter. Not just from winning the fights.

[@jamesfraley5596]

This sport could really catch on... but it would need some improvements - like dozens of really good high speed cameras for slow-mo footage and better scoring based on a judge’s review of the actual damages that would be done by each strike. As is, it won’t become a popular spectator sport because it’s too fast & the severity of the strikes are not readily perceivable.

[@zaganim3813]

hard to do when hema has about 0% funding right now. most of the tournaments are financed by the small clubs themselves and does not have any sponsors to load up the cash

[@jonathanmatheson7313]

As it gets more popular it'll get more funding and then we'll start to see some of the improvements you're talking about. I can't wait😊👌

[@ilitardo160]

Also some stars would be good, and some branding. Hema should try to move as far away from traditional fencing and try to more replicate popular combat sports

[@trin3052]

It's not a sport and I don't want it to be. It's a martial art and every person in that audience is committed to the scholarship of it. Hema and all historical martial arts are very much about honor, if you get hit you admit it and if your not was bad you say so but even with that the judges decide it ultimately.

[@HladniSjeverniVjetar]

@@trin3052 Some good points there, it's not a sport it's a martial art. Meant for killing.

[@lelushlamperush1072]

Красавчик Сергей, так держать. Особенно обрадовало такое уважительное отношение к оппоненту.

[@staut8429]

ток заменить филинг на геймсенс:D

[@binaryfission9021]

The form of these competitors is absolutely beautiful to watch. I really appreciate that HEMA is promoting these old forms of combat. Maybe i can get my wife interested, it would be really good exercise for us and goodness knows she has probably wanted to smack me with a sword more than once.

[@ambuknight]

Do be careful she can easily learn to use a Quarterstaff. And prop the mop handle on you in a instant LoL 😋 I kid I kid

[@9f81rsd00]

Imagine, instead of a verbal argument, you settle disputes with a quick spar. Then your kid learns from it and challenges a classmate to a duel to the death... 🤔

[@JHF80]

I got coffe in my nose laughing at these comments...

[@9f81rsd00]

it’s all fun and games until the quiet kid pulls out a loaded crossbow...

[@ambuknight]

Love that the referees look like they're bartender's of a fancy club or stright up butlers

[@thomasvertommen9526]

I love that HEMA has been getting this kind of attention in recent years, and I hope it keeps going, but I have a huge gripe with these kinds of tournaments... I suppose it's a matter of perspective, but I see HEMA and Historical Fencing like a simulation of a fight with either sharp weapons, where the idea is to disable or incapacitate your oponent without getting wounded, or as a simulation of the 17th century tradition of fighting "until the first bleeding cut" with blunt Federschwerter. Based on unarmoured combat of course. Seeing this type of fighting is something that makes me cringe a little, with no disdain for these athletes' capacities I will add... but if those swords had been sharp, in 95% of the seen bouts, both contestants either would have been seriously wounded or maimed, or if it'd be with blunted swords and no armour (17th century blossfechten) then both would have broken limbs from the first rounds. One reason why I dislike these types of tournaments, both with the scoring system as with the high degree of protection that is worn, is that it takes away most defensive incentive, and promotes reckless and indiscriminate attacks: hitting is more important than not being hit, while it should be the other way around in my opinion. Also, the intensity and how hard they hit each other is completely in conflict with the concept of the sword as a weapon. It's partially the reason why at our club we fight with relatively little protection (mask, light leather or composite gloves, and a light jacket, like the SPES 350n Officer Jacket): first of all that you are more inclined to fight carefully for your own safety, and because you know your oponent is equally vulnerable, the scored hits are much lighter, craftier and elegant, while containing their historical "lethality" so to speak, since hypothetically, you really don't need a lot of force to mortally injure someone with a sharp sword. And so the sparring with blunt weapons should reflect that. Otherwise it just becomes MMA with iron rods and it won't retain any of its historical accuracy and intention. My point in short is: there's very few "clean" hits to be seen here. No matter how good your hit is, if you can't get out without being cut in return, your attack is as good as worthless. There shouldn't be this many double hits in a swordfight. For clarity: I fight in a Meyer-styled tradition of Blossfechten with minimal protection at Antwerp's Saint Michael's Guild, which isn't the most "orthodox" way of fighting in the HEMA-scene, and I know this opinion is far from new, and probably is not going to resonate with most HEMA-ists. Still, i hope it provides some food for thought.

[@WindOfFields]

yes

[@WildtalondoesGaming]

Agree

[@trin3052]

At my club while doing free sparring when you say "one more round" they mean one more clean round, you double you go again. I'm not sure if it's my club specifically or the difference between America and Europe but even though we wear a lot of gear (can't take chances with our expensive healthcare and greedy insurance) we don't count doubles and we don't hit too hard, if it's not hard enough it doesn't count, if it's too hard you get penalized.

[@ravenoushydra7948]

true

[@MC-wh3xm]

I don't know anything about HEMA but I like your comment.

[@barboss1331]

Респект Сергею!

[@thestuffmonster9856]

Wow, collecting footage, photos, and information and editing it all together must’ve taken a while. Great job.

[@ViciouSExorcisT]

You really do know how these things go! Couldn't done it any sooner. Thank you!

[@johanesjoy]

One of the best and most satisfying longsolword match ever between Kuktaev and Olbrychski 👍👍👍

[@ViciouSExorcisT]

Indeed, it's a pleasure to watch! :)

[@geyotepilkington2892]

The reaction time of Sergey at 10:57 is incredible, that man was fighting for his life. What smooth transitions between parrying. That is true art, screw paintings d00d

[@ViciouSExorcisT]

Indeed, it's a pleasure to watch.

[@markwei7979]

Compared to other Swordfish-Fights, this one seems to be the most intense and professional. Very good fighters!

[@MrFox77]

Сергей, поздравляю! Приятно смотреть. Красиво, предельно эффективно, по-рыцарски и видно, что для Вас это путь воина.

[@soldierbreakneck771]

That was amazing! Great fight! Both showed really good technic! Congratulations for Sergey Kultaev!

[@sdr31818]

Two constantly repeating techniques out of 4x Prinzipalhäue 12x "verkehrte Häue" 24x "handarbeiten" (for indes-Situations) and about 13x kinds of Zufechten to approach the enemy WITHOUT(!!!!) gettig hit. All described in books.. in one book very especially. This is... playing hide and seek with swords.. no respect for each other ones weapon. They fight to hit and don't fight not to be hit. I can't find a something beauty in it but the motivation of meeting people .. . To go for turnaments.. and even that mindset is questionable.

[@lamaxe749]

They should really bring hema to America

[@Tigerseye41]

@@xomox5316 Based

[@DMRaptorJesus]

Love how much traction this wonderful sport has been getting these last few years.

[@alexvestok6251]

Очень красиво! Спасибо Сергею за вдохновляющий бой!

[@Ivan_FPV]

Если бы противники были не очень -бой бы был так себе. Так что спасибо всем участникам. Все сильные бойцы.

[@АлександрРешетников-з4г]

Антон тоже хорош, он со своим клубом здорово популяризирует это искуство

[@mellepella]

Wait... Do I hear Witcher 3 music?!?!

[@Gothamz-gy8ku]

yes

[@mellepella]

Gothamz fux yes

[@Batman-nz2ue]

lolololololol, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[@mellepella]

Batman ?

[@Batman-nz2ue]

@@mellepella reference to the lelele, fighting music of Witcher 3?

[@SnowyFoxFox]

Thanks for sharing this! I've been wanting to see HEMA tournament coverage with this TV-like style of presentation. This is exactly the kind of thing I'd love to find more of.

[@syyskuu]

Love how the fencer with the more "mature" style won. Much more satisfying than seeing the restless, snipey style of A.O. win. Of course no disrespect to the silver medalist either, it takes a lot to get to the finals.

[@thestuffmonster9856]

Olbrychski was thrusting and cutting more “maturely” and wasn’t just sniping the legs in the elims. Kultaev is just a scary good fighter, and his cuts hit like a truck.

[@wagfinpis]

Sergey Kultaev looks to be on a whole other level from his competition here. If they take of the armor it is not even close. The other guy moves his hands all disconnect from his body movements, just trying to score points, and he is still contained. Sergey Kultaev is challenging his actual sword craft, delivering meaningful blows, while beating the other guy to the point. Very impressive difference between Sergey Kultaev, and the other guy.

[@thestuffmonster9856]

Antoni beat Sergey in the rematch (final) at Minsk, by the way. Made some smart adjustments, improved his thrust defense, and won the first and second rounds in a best of three match.

[@Sprechfenster]

@@thestuffmonster9856 ;)

[@viniciuspaiva3578]

This should be in the Olympics!

[@biggusdiccus6969]

Would be so much more entertaining to watch

[@pfl95]

We should have an AMMA (Armed Mixed-Martial Arts) where we incorporate all armed martial arts into a free flowing fencing sport. Kendo, Historical Chinese fencing, HEMA,.... not just the styles but weapons as well. If sth like that can get going and we can make an intl organisation that can incorporate different styles of fencing and armed arts around the world, it can be a great Olympics sport as well.

[@planescaped]

There was/is a youtube channel that is doing this right now and trying to get a TV deal... I don't remember what it was called.

[@shaunhumphreys6714]

definitely. i hate MMA. MMA actually put me off martial arts for a while, because it has stripped all of the tradition and honour out of it. Weapons are better.. i love fencing and i love two handed sword fighting=claymore. i would love to see more free flowing rallies with like twenty hits and parries in one go for example, rather than the pattern of tentative sword touching followed by someone thrusting in and usually getting struck, then the fighting broken up and they start again. i want a flowing rally of continuous blow and parries like a game of thrones sword fight, or any other medieval film.

[@MrLimbei123]

shaun humphreys you only get those in fake fighting.

[@magnusnordeidebrede892]

@@MrLimbei123 Or in continious HEMA fights and sparring. Problem with that is that it is hard to keep track of points, and therefore they need to invest in alot of slow-motion cameras, etc.

[@archardor3392]

People will just pick the domimant weapon/style and you ll rarely ser anything else in the finals. The firat few years before the meta is defined will be neat though

[@nickart1372]

Thanks a lot for the effort put into this! Always a pleasure to see your own instructor displaying his skill against someone much better than you. Kinda funny that one of the strongest competitors representing the UK is also Russian, lol

[@ViciouSExorcisT]

Thank you for your kind words, I'm delighted to know you enjoyed it!

[@yrreiht4913]

Very skilled sportsmans indeed, I do feel the scoring system does not punish ''doubles'' enough. I'm not sure there was one engagement where one of the parties did not suffer an afterblow.

[@mattilaiho7979]

Note that afterblow and doubles are a different thing.

[@trin3052]

Key word is sportsman, this is far from historic or martial. This is the more sporty side of hema

[@ДмитрийКуренков-ч9й]

И Култаев, и Ольбрыхский. Ну это же просто праздник, товарищи.

[@tUmUt995]

11:40 just such a great exchange

[@trin3052]

A clean cut too a deep target, nice

[@maexpert11]

Wow this is awesome, I do BJJ and kickboxing along with IDS, but I really wish I had stuff like this available to me in my area as well it looks so much fun

[@roygbiv3305]

ive never seen this style of matches. cool from japan

[@Magnus689]

Referee has a stick, in case fighters go berserk

[@disound4035]

Ничего необычного, просто батя заглянул на свордфиш, чтобы привезти дочке блестяшку)))

[@MrIpod1g]

Wow the new Witcher 4 graphics are amazing

[@ДмитрийКуренков-ч9й]

В натуре. Иначе и не скажешь.😁

[@Delano.Smith26]

I've never seen anything like this! I am terrified and amazed, i cant stop watching. Does this hurt!? I lost it when the blade went straight into the guys face :O

[@SonarWavePulse]

It does hurt to get hit hard, but the protective equipment keeps you well out of the danger area for the most part

[@Delano.Smith26]

@@SonarWavePulse:O IT LOOKED SO TERRIFYING🤣

[@ThePartyzanin]

That was very nice move from Kultaev, respect!

[@IamJigle]

Imagine being on the losing end in a real duel back in those days. Train your entire life for it to be ended in seconds...

[@TERMINUSxNATION]

There may have been excemptions/secessions to be made~

[@2011dtish21]

Historically, duels to the death were uncommon. Generally, duels that ended in death became common in the era where "lords" or wealthy folk would participate. It was lower stakes to cause death for them because they generally did not care and were not trained as combatants. People who would duel as commoners or soldiers would rarely duel lethaly, because you actually wanted to get better and have people that are experienced with a weapon along side you.

[@Sk0lzky]

Not a fan of the scoring system, mostly a great fight though

[@syyskuu]

What about the scoring system bothers you in particular?

[@Riname-K]

goggles789 yeah it’s the unfortunate plague of HEMA. I do remember them trying out a continuous match where both fighters don’t stop fighting until the timer is up, but this puts pressure on the referees to spot out the hits therefore the scoring is not guaranteed to be correct. Fun and intense to watch though and I’d like to see them do it again soon.

[@cygil1]

@@Riname-K Hema scored like boxing would be interesting. Very, very subjective of course, but it could work.

[@gustavosanabio473]

@goggles789 Sharp swords hurt man. Even if it does not seem like there is much force, it may have cut deep were it sharp. you have to remember the longer a sword is, the faster the point (or its end in general) moves, like a giant lever. Maybe the wrist move was not very exagerated and does not seem to have much force put the speed of the tip/far end of the sword is moving FAST.

[@Sylentmana]

Maybe a scoring system where they fight for a set time limit while the bout is filmed from different angles. The refs could then watch the video in slow motion to determine who scored the most points.

[@itsgonzalits]

The title of "Referee" can only be awarded to the best ninja in the facility. He is a master of his art, and can use his staff efficiently; even against two skilled swordsmen.

[@user-ew5xf3mn2j]

Прекрасная работа!

[@Observer29830]

There sure are a lot of Russians in this tournament. Guess they're gonna be the next ones to take Jerusalem

[@АхматХаджи-л8и]

Observer29830 не делай вид что ты иностранец

[@michaeltheisen]

Deus Vult?

[@ficedulamortis6434]

Russians are good at everything man. They basically own wrestling, and they're making it pretty big in MMA, now even in HEMA

[@ДмитрийКуренков-ч9й]

@Anti-Federalist 1776 ой, да хорош. Перебор уже.

[@Joe11Blue]

Constantinople first.

[@mp9810]

Watched sword fighting today. Learnt that in a sword fight... EVERONE dies. All the time.

[@TheNorthlander]

When that Witcher soundtrack hits you just GET HYPED FOR SOME STEEL ON STEEL. ...using historically viable techniques, of course.

[@Sylani]

This makes a very IMPORANT point. Whatever you thought about "Sword-Battles" ... they mostly lastet fewer than 10 seconds ... QED! ;)

[@marekplayer8506]

Love from Poland! ❤

[@k39kUhmt2]

Love from Russia! ❤

[@z-o-v4539]

Serges Kultaev Vivat!!!! Vivat!!!

[@fadingdimension]

The lyrics to intro music. lelelelelelelelelelelelelel Also great enthusiasm from the announcers.

[@DefeatedRoyalist]

The classiness is so on par that the refs wear tux! The combat is beautiful as well:)

[@doddood5516]

They doin judo, in hema, with witcher music, i love it!

[@ivizore7017]

LOL just came across this video and saw the janitor from my old school, Jimmy Olsson

[@ZionCircleMartialArts]

HIT ME UP - WORLD CHAMPIOIN - CHOOSE YOUR RULES - RESPECT ALWAYS

[@bobu5213]

7:20 beautiful reckless uncovered thrust that is covered with an instant afterblow. Honestly don't throw around the term "good fencing" around so easily. He did nothing to cover himself afterwards even though it would have been so simple to defend his right from that incoming blade...

[@omari2306]

13:17 he feinted a thrust then proceeded to shift to a mezzano or mittelhaw or middle lateral cut. I include many feints in my own personal style of HEMA it's not all about attacking forwards you have to fool the opponent from time to time.

[@artur7444]

Молодец , красивые матчи )

[@aaronjacobamadorsalazar1934]

Them being idle waiting to attack reminds me so much of Kendo LMAO

[@sergeyleopard8872]

Молодец Сергей! Профессионал ✊ уважаю.

[@archi.lochus]

I think there must be sanctions for afterblows, really looks wierd when they keep fighting after thrust in head. That just counter to main fencing rule - hit and don't get hitted, isn't it?

[@NinjaAF2099]

The music in the intro belongs in an Assassin’s Creed game 😂 I absolutely love it and so fitting for the sport being displayed.

[@Gguy061]

I hope this takes off like MMA did. This is some soul calibur shit

[@HarryLinoobcvFmeLEE]

Very good video,love from Deutsch

[@aaron4820]

The IPSC / USPSA competitive shooting community brought the cinema goers the John Wick series, I wonder when will be the HEMA's chance to shine.

[@ArthurHerbst]

Nice!

[@ViciouSExorcisT]

Thanks! Tried to get it done asap.

[@shadekeigarblacksky]

The boss music is so dang good

[@galina_galina_galina]

Сергей, молодец!

[@adamplentl5588]

I need to be part of this.

[@aaronjacobamadorsalazar1934]

I feel the Kendo vibe from Kultaev vs Olbrychski

[@KonstantinPobedonoscev]

Beautiful competition, a worthy winner! (Красивое соревнование, достойный победитель!)

[@Яков-э8у]

Самый результативный-колющий...

[@DoreanRoshe]

Чорт, почему это видео пришло ко мне только сегодня? Это круто :0 Хотелось бы видеть и больше... Дисциплин? Как, например, древковое оружие. Но я понимаю, что это сложно организовать и пожалуй, может быть травмопасно, как с алебардой, например. В прочем, прекрасная работа🗿👍🏻

[@iKozak99]

The music from The Witcher 3 in the background is perfect

[@ИванАндриянов-л8д]

Сергей настоящий воин,имеет уважение к поверженному противнику.

[@claireworrell4944]

I think we all can agree, if these were real swords both fighters would be dead.

[@MrodriguezProd]

I suppose you can blame it on the amount of protective gear and the rule set that rewards quick suicidal snipes. It's a complex topic; what are we trying to achieve with these tournaments ? It looks a lot like modern fencing with longswords, lacking the "H" of HEMA. It would be nice to have more categories. There are cutting competitions, so why not a category rewarding proper technique ? It would be less boring if we had tournaments more in that style : facebook.com/escrimedievale17/videos/1302844619877132/

[@trin3052]

@@MrodriguezProd it's the rules not the gear. My club figures with better gear than that but we still fight as though we're not wearing it.

[@MrodriguezProd]

@@trin3052 I agree, but I did mention the rule set (just to have the last word).

[@politeghost6214]

oh finally some good european swordfighting

[@mihailkravzov3505]

Сергей , молодец ! Русский джентльмен ))

[@colinjones439]

I love the Silver for Monsters in there

[@D4l4m4r]

I beginn to see, why my instructor called it "brawling with swords, but no martial art" :D

[@henryw110]

I agree, there's a total lack of the sort of style and speed you see in olympic sabre and foil.

[@trin3052]

This isn't representative of all hema

[@GameSteph]

@@henryw110 capoferro, destraza or other HEMA rapier style > rc antenna fencing. Maybe try holding something that weighs over 17 ounces.

[@RoadHater]

excellent display of fencing.

[@brandoncastellano1858]

Why didn’t I ever find out about this?? Is there a place I can learn?

[@WindOfFields]

Good fighting! Хороший бой!

[@mike_swag2660]

Love the witcher music

[@SwordTune]

Oh no, he lost. Now he is only one of the best at what he does.

[@JarrylKhan]

I like the random jiu jitsu match thrown in at 0:46. Would be cooler if they were covered in chainmail.

[@johnlemon252]

Love the 'legally distinct' Witcher 3 music lol

[@サトウカズマ-k9x]

That’s cool!

[@erickruckenberg8716]

why is this only recently becoming a thing??? They should have been out 20 years ago I would have done this f****** s*** in high school

[@jerrymorrison3390]

Have they considered an open weapons round like nunchaku(I like Bruce Lee style nunchaku) or other weapons?

[@xzcsdf9574]

I wonder what the swordsmen of long ago would say if we brought them to the present day

[@ViciouSExorcisT]

I think they would be contemplating on why people still practice their craft, despite all the scientific (technological) and social advancements. A conversation we can have anyways, a dialogue about values, beauty and understanding, a quest for knowledge and opportunity to bring to life and to be part of the sublime dreams of our past.

[@KofeNePiu]

красавчик

[@haraldharfager936]

Were not talking about the skidmark at 1:41 right?

[@starfloodromania4907]

Sword and buckler sounds nice but goodness that shield is small

[@WonkaWorker]

I appreciate the witcher music

[@whisperill7597]

First time i see these duels. Its very nice but why do they jump all the time?

[@Gauntlets]

Now all we gotta do is w8 4 something like Sword Art Online 2 come out an' dis could get über fun!

[@behaviouralgenomics438]

What type of wretling is going on here? Is it meant to be collar and elbow?

[@АндрейИванов-ь3ь5щ]

Cool

[@BeowulfAllraudr]

I want to compete

[@awesomeguy7778]

Now im gonna have to learn how to do this shit fuck that was more impressive then i wanted it to be lol

[@FlickFreaks]

I think the ref should wear some sort of face protection as well. One wild flurry & there goes an eye

[@flintrocks]

Amazing stuff! Odd that thrusts award more points than cuts? What is the reasoning behind this?

[@zachariaravenheart]

I think it's because thrusts are more deadly. I could be wrong

[@Rocknoob49]

@Ravenheart is correct. Additionally: A well covered thrust is really hard to perform and leaves the opponent unable to set an afterblow while also "fatally wounding" them, were it a real fight. It's generally a great way to deal with both your opponent and his weapon, if done correctly.

[@ericonmarzs]

@@Rocknoob49 A thrust in what context is more deadly than a cut? if you mean counter thrusting your opponents face/head and thus catching his sword on your own and effectively holding it off/locking it off then yes this is an very effective counter, your opponents after blow is caught and he's instantly dead by head shot, but it is no better than doing the same thing with a high or middle cut. But if you mean stabbing your opponent in the body I disagree unless you hit the spine or your lucky enough he goes into shock, most likely you've just stuck your sword in him and given him to opportunity for him to attack you back people don't instantly die from a thrust to the body, he would have the ability to pull out his dagger also, silver wrote in 1600 a case were a man was stabbed several times with a rapier yet went on to kill his opponent. Perhaps you mean a counter thrust to the right shoulder of your opponent as this often also catches their sword, but the opponent can still use their left arm to draw a dagger or grapple, it would also be less lethal than a zornhaw/diagonal or high cut counter to the right shoulder as that would likely cut through the shoulder entirely and cause more severe bodily harm. Aside from silvers example there is modern dagger and knife crime where people are stabbed tens of times before dying or often escaping with many wounds, or gun shots for that matter, stabbing you opponent in the body isn't as damaging as cutting. Perhaps you mean, "more deadly" as harder for your opponent to deal with? This is probably subjective I've encounter opponents who are poor at defending thrusts, but in my experience the easiest counters to pull off are those that use the master cuts, with zwerchaw at the top of the list, followed by the simple high cut, in all cases the off line movement does the job.

[@ericonmarzs]

@@zachariaravenheart I don't think they are, a thrust to the face that reaches the brain, is definitely just a deadly as cutting someones head off. But a thrust to the body can do almost nothing to a opponent cooked up on adrenaline, thrust the stomach and the guy won't die for days, sword fights end in seconds. If the spine is pierced the thrust will be deadly but that is unlikely, a thrust to the heart doesn't result in instant death either there is is 30seconds-1minute of movement left. Silver wrote in 1600 of an account were a man was stabbed several times in a rapier duel only to kills his opponent, then there is modern day knife and dagger statistics that show people needing to be stabbed tens of times to die. Most likely they give more points for control, thrust counters are a very easy way for marshals to see control, where you hit your opponent but stop his after blow/remove his ability to after blow. rather than just hitting and then trying to step out of the way fast, the same thing can be done with a cut (in fact I find it easier with a cut) but it looks less clear from certain angles.

[@trin3052]

More deadly however I don't like it. Historically thrusts were outlawed I'm maybe places because of their lethality but with modern steel feders the now have give and aren't as dangerous

[@DogofLilith]

You know it's a combat sport when you have Little John's daughter as the ref