HEMA | Swordfish 2017 - Open Longsword FINALS

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Fight for 3rd place (03:21): Mark Wilkie vs Alexander Makarov
Fight for 1st place (16:42): Dennis Ljungqvist vs Ivan Novichenko
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[@sapphocomputers]

Novichenko looks like he could be the main antagonist in a superhero movie.

[@ViciouSExorcisT]

The movie with the realistic fencing? Yes please! ;)

[@aname4141]

The fact that he’s Russian only furthers that speculation

[@sigma6656]

Aww heck, I'm sure he's a nice guy. He's gotta do something about that perpetual scowl though.

[@Valexxx15]

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@alfatazer_8991]

@@sigma6656 He's Russian so he was born scowling.

[@Darcy_Winterthorn]

pairing it to witcher 3 music was genius.

[@ViciouSExorcisT]

All the credit for the magic goes to Jillian Aversa: kzbin.info/www/bejne/laKpmZmmjql2h5o

[@joshstanton267]

recognized immediately haha that song amps me up xD

[@AWZool]

@@ViciouSExorcisT And Percival, the original composers : ]

[@DZ-1987]

Sod that, Two Steps From Hell would make anyone shit their pants.

[@Likexner]

It sounds like a gypsy woman yelling random syllables.

[@happy_camper]

So awesome! I’m only a beginner, but I’m really looking forward to participating in events. And I can’t wait to branch out into other disciplines. HEMA has an amazing community of likeminded people, feels like a big family.

[@ViciouSExorcisT]

HEMA community does feel like a big family indeed. There are many discussions on social networks, if you are interested: facebook.com/groups/HEMAAlliance/

[@comandosespeciales]

This must be the coolest tournament ever. Swordfighting, wrestling, a lot of different swords...

[@Mrzoux1]

13:23 THAT LOOKED SO COOL

[@ViciouSExorcisT]

Absolutely agree, a fierce yet technical exchange with an infinite replay value.

[@colleptic]

Watched these fight a few times now. I really like where HEMA is going. I really want to fight everyone I see in these videos...I am addicted to facing new challenges with Longsword!

[@ViciouSExorcisT]

I'm pleased to see the evolution of HEMA myself, as I believe many people do. Speaking about tournaments, I think the closest one will be "Wessex League: London Chapter - Finals" in UK, on Saturday, 9 December: facebook.com/events/1756091854684677/

[@luceronyothwa9646]

5:45 holy crap, a HEMA fighter with a painted mask I didn't know those existed. (Don't worry HEMA I still love you even if all of you look the exact same when in gear)

[@OnajTamo]

Novichenko had an impressive defence in the first half, but then it fell apart. Anyways it is nice to have a new youngster in the sport.

[@x-rhoden-x6477]

Is it just me or do all Russians have a 24/7 poker face? Novichenko had no facial expressions leading up to the finals.

[@Mr-Tibbster]

It's a cultural thing. It's seen as a strange thing to smile too much in Russia. Some people who have visited Russia have been arrested by police because their "smiling was suspicious". It's so ingrained into the culture that Russians who deal in foreign relations have to take smiling classes.

[@ericfrolov148]

@@Mr-Tibbster K dude cmon, we don't smile as often as people in western Europe, USA or Canada, but damn that arresting story is fishy af. I never heard thing like that happening here for that particular reason you described.

[@Mr-Tibbster]

@@ericfrolov148 I was only parroting what was on the BBC news here in the UK, that's what was literally said, and they had interviews with citizens on the street there saying if you smile in public for no reason, the police will find it suspect or think you're crazy. Hence why they were saying they had to take "smiling classes" for dealing with non-Russians. If that's not true, our media is to blame for spreading that falsehood.

[@tobiaszkukotko8655]

20:08 most beautifull spin i've ever seen

[@CountDadLord]

Good stuff. Interesting that despite all the chat about "hitting without being hit" in HEMA circles, double hits are massively more frequent in the fights in this clip than in a typical sports fencing match, and by a margin of maybe three or four to one.

[@ericnesbitt1734]

yeah double hits are massively frequent, one reason is simply because you can hit back with an after blow in hema and your opponent will get less or even no points. But in sports fencing there is no incentive to do so. There may also be more due to some rules that have inadvertently made fighting in a more aggressive or risky manner advantageous. Its is interesting. hema is still evolving I wonder is this will change in the future.

[@CountDadLord]

I noticed that Novichenko had by far the best footwork going backwards, and that at the start of his fight he managed to get quite a few singles by hitting while stepping backwards and maintaining good distance. I think the smaller length of arena and maybe the greater emphasis on bladework over footwork in HEMA pedagogy has an impact on the number of doubles.

[@ViciouSExorcisT]

www.encasedinsteel.co.uk/2014/12/12/some-more-thoughts-on-double-hits/

[@CountDadLord]

Good article. Thanks for the link.

[@zaganim3813]

well there are doubles and then the are doubles..

[@Grivian]

Ivan is awesome. I'm sure he will come back and win next year. He got a bit predictable and his inexperience started to show in the second round, otherwise it would have been a comfortable win.

[@Lobster_Lars]

Ivan had so much to learn and is a bit of a one trick pony. Geissel to the legs and then turns his back. He did this in almost every exchange. He didn't even qualify for longsword in 2018. Everyone was on to his tricks. So much for comfortably winning

[@mateoaudio]

Anyone knows what pants is Novichenko using ? And his gear ? Looks like a nice alternative to the standards. Thanks

[@ViciouSExorcisT]

I believe it's custom assembled. Like the shorts (instagram.com/p/BXE6VzAlQvG/?taken-by=ivansairess) he uses even during training might be a verion with metal plates (weight) to increase the effectiveness of the exercise (just a guess).

[@arakasi1033]

Ivan looks like Anakin when he embraced the Dark Side of power. :D What a match! It was great comeback from Dennis, but that one-handed strike and parry was awesome. Sad he was punished for that by rules.

[@t0by69]

Tbh just looks like the judges didn't like him...

[@ArseneGray]

@@t0by69 tbh it is dumb to "hit" with one hand very lightly and then turn your back to your opponent. and run back to your corner. HEMA tries to avoid that hit-return game which turns sword fights into childsplay. I liked judges punish that mentality-

[@faramund9865]

It’s because he barely scathes him and then runs to score a point. In an actual fight someone would just stab you in the back (which the Swede did after he got the lucky parry). And the fight would be over and he’d most likely be dead.

[@shadowless3337]

What a match? I've never seen so much hugging in my life. Don't know if I can call this sword fighting. If your opponent rushes in, block, side step, and counter.

[@Lobster_Lars]

He turned his back after almost every exchange, recklessly endangering himself. Fighting like that can get you seriously injured. Behaviour like that should be penalized

[@garroyo23]

love this.

[@cabelthewirecordd8473]

I could recognize that Witcher 3 music from a mile away. That makes this video much more epic to watch.

[@Night-Jester]

THANK YOU

[@ViciouSExorcisT]

My pleasure, glad you enjoyed!

[@GandalftheWh1te]

The way the ref twirls that stick everytime

[@adamkowalski208]

great fight

[@voxkoshka]

This makes me teary at times

[@user-xh3ld3wx4s]

すごくおもしろそうですね！西洋の剣術も勉強になりそうですね！

[@Splatpope]

that last blow by dennis was a goddamn decap

[@DaRat100]

FOR HONOR

[@Wittemn]

What happened to Swordfish? Can't find any post 2020 matches.

[@londiniumarmoury7037]

I'm going into the hyperbolic time chamber, I shall emerge for the 2019 tournament, get your scouters ready.

[@audeobellicus]

28:10 THAT EXCHANGE IS AMAZING!! :O

[@DZ-1987]

To think one day i'll be there. Fighting these people. Or perhaps, other people who have bested them. Still, surprisingly, one handing a longsword is surprisingly... surprising. Heck, i do it half the time whenever i train, for laughs.

[@MrSemIsAwesome]

But, those aren't longswords, right? Edit: Sorry I was still in the intro.

[@The_A_r_i_e_s.]

these guys should have point replays for the live audience up on a TV or something.

[@dr.lexwinter8604]

Getting Karen to referee was a great idea. The local managers of every coffee house nearby breathed a collective sigh of relief.

[@AndrewBlechinger]

What did they call the trophy? The Black Feather?

[@olzhaszhumabek2034]

Black feder. Federschwert is the name for the swords used.

[@HillardEarl]

The Art of Being Right Book by Arthur Schopenhaue

[@xXAmightzXx]

Anyone know good places I good train this stuff in London?

[@valvexe1238]

Dunno if you will ever read this but take a look at londonlongsword or scholagladiatoria. Also there are good Websites were you can find clubs in your area just google for hemafinder

[@xXAmightzXx]

@@valvexe1238 Thank you so much

[@faramund9865]

Lame final, if possible this sport needs to focus less on hits and more on the lethality of the hits. Throwing your longsword out with such a weak grip is not going to hurt anybody. Literally this guy throws the lame hit and gets thrusted straight into the throat. That should’ve been 0 points for that one handed guy. And like 10 for the other.

[@ZdzichuRaczka]

1:20 damn that was good fencing :> .

[@jordantheriverman6143]

Where are the paddocks?

[@johnlemon252]

And WotC say Longsword isn't a finesse weapon

[@naddakeeps9964]

I admittedly know very little regarding HEMA but something about Wilkie's fighting style looks off. It seems like he is more focused on bull-rushing his opponent rather then utilizing good form. comes off a bit amateurish.

[@MissJuggler]

I want to learn how to fight like this, but I don't know how...

[@campusskyrum8099]

Find a club, grab a sword and go! Or just take a sword and go! There are a lot of good videos about the basics here. But you will probably only be as good as these boys with a good association and regular training.

[@londiniumarmoury7037]

Miss Juggler get a couple of wooden training swords and look up the historical sword fighting manuals, master the basic myers 16 cut diagram solo drills, then decide of you want to invest in the club membership and traini ng armour, mask etc, its a very expensive hobby so make sure you you try it out before investing in expensive gear.

[@kballwoof00]

#TeamNovichenko take down the tyranny of ljungqvist!!!

[@XerrolAvengerII]

Ivan has to feel sour that he lost so many points to rules

[@ViciouSExorcisT]

Technically it was just one point. Ivan's style is not exactly safe, but let's face it - he did make it to the fight for the first place using it, so it's a fair trade at this moment.

[@alexmorgan9195]

Agree the back of the head rule killed the match.

[@jordantheriverman6143]

Why is the black sparrow darting across the screen?

[@user-tj2eg7jc4e]

Dose annybody know why is'nt HEMA in the olympic games?

[@scarlettharper4844]

9:30 She loves him! xD

[@The_A_r_i_e_s.]

god that shit was dope

[@zethron1173]

22:50 LETS GO BRANDON!

[@nick_stein]

Referees should have protection.

[@lucasavelli2945]

No, fighters should be aware where they are swinging instead.

[@itinerantpoet1341]

For my money, if you want this art to really become advanced, you need to disregard mutual hits, and only award points for clean strikes. Sure, it's hard, but so is the real sword art: "If it's easy, how good can it be?"

[@Darkrender]

So. Many. Doubles.

[@JoshtMoody]

Amazing exchange at 19:55

[@The_A_r_i_e_s.]

novichenko swings one handed alot.

[@CrimsonFox36]

How the hell did Wilkie make it to the finals?

[@pathumus8093]

Cut the ads !!!!!

[@stitchowi]

Interesting... Ivan isnt wearing shoes.

[@cdgonepotatoes4219]

I tried to frequent some HEMA lessons around my area but I don't exactly have the authonomy yet to reach the place on my own, plus I'm having some mental issues that also brought me to have some physical ones... guess I'll just have to stick with sword theory and my broom for now but I will get back there one day

[@ViciouSExorcisT]

"Movement can replace many drugs, but no drug can ever replace movement." - Avicenna Stay active, it's good for you. Information from Hema Ratings Beta gives us one clear fact: people who compete more perform better in competition! facebook.com/HEMARatings/photos/a.1223462024411139.1073741828.1223166801107328/1528435163913822

[@MegaThibodaux]

Encourage all your virtuous dispositions, and exercise them whenever an opportunity arises, being assured that they will gain strength by exercise as a limb of the body does, and that exercise will make them habitual...Give about two of them [hours] every day to exercise; for health must not be sacrificed to learning. A strong body makes the mind strong. - Thomas Jefferson

[@Wulfseal]

The rule set encourages unsafe behavior. Scoring on an after blow seems to be a left over artifact from when HEMA was new and people were not very skillful. Time is gets removed in my not at all humble opinion.

[@WiggaMachiavelli]

I agree, but I think it really needs to be based on whether or not the after-blow is already underway with momentum when the blow lands. If you are hit in the leg a split-second before landing a thrust to the face, in real combat of course you are better off than your opponent; from a common-sense perspective you deserve more points, though from a safety perspective perhaps neither fighter does.

[@umartdagnir]

One hit is usually not enough to kill/disable a person. So you need to know how to protect yourself even if you deliver a hit. The afterblow system is one of the main between differences between HEMA and sport fencing, and we like it.

[@totesmygrotes]

I like that Shakira soundtrack . Toss a coin to your Witcher, eh?

[@RocketGlitch]

WHERE'S MY POPCORN

[@ViciouSExorcisT]

Ha-ha, one can never forget to be prepared. ^_^

[@dlee7059]

макаров машина. Дефлекты. парирования

[@steve00alt70]

I don't like the way they have to stop after every hit. Make it continuous 2 mins straight like they do in swordfish championships.

[@oolooo]

Double hits should be ignored or straight up penalized .In a real duel , you win by not dying .Points would be meaningless .

[@JohnMcKLV]

This allowance of double hits are kind of bull shitty, especially when the 2nd hit is clearly initiated after the first shot lands. Even more so when the first hit lands on hands or face. Seems like a very a-historical lack of defense.

[@Mx6D]

yh the rules are probably going to get more refined as time go on but right now, this is way way better and exciting than Olympic fencing

[@myamotomuzashi9080]

i live in algeria i want to participate

[@Dobryi44]

да как всегда за судили у Марка больше опыта и ударов травмотичных а так же везде атака и он проигрывает ребята это за суживание

[@MoritaJunichiro]

🤺👏🏻😹😹

[@Vox_Popul1]

Hate how after blows give points. Afterblows shouldn’t give any points, otherwise it incentivizes this unrealistically hyper-aggressive style you see in HEMA competitions.

[@Pubert1282]

That rat tail tho

[@bubblerum69002]

Jesus Christ LITERALLY what I was gonna say. Glad I scrolled and found someone else who noticed 😂🤣

[@xMETALHEADx124]

i wish they did 2 minute rounds and didnt stop the fight after every small hit.

[@JRT176]

We are using a similar ruleset to this at the the US Pacific Northwest's regional event Swordsquatch in September. Stay tuned!

[@ViciouSExorcisT]

You can also check "continuos fencing". :)

[@EffeDnDaHead]

What if someone comes in and doesnt use HEMA? What if they used a wushu move?

[@penttikoivuniemi2146]

If it works, it gets scored. It's that simple.

[@alpenjon]

Yes, though it is save to assume that they figured out most of what makes sense back in the day when your life depended on it. However, not all that worked and was used was recorded. In Wushu, not all swords are two sided, plus the crossguard is smaller to almost non existant, at least according to my quick googling ;) So the techniques may not work, or are non-existant. I would say try to make them work!

[@Aerostarm]

If they don't do hema but it works they still get a point

[@dlee7059]

Русские вперед!

[@davenickname]

found the fish logo too repetitive and annoying. cool otherwise.

[@ViciouSExorcisT]

Thank you for the feedback! So far I wasn't lucky enough to get my hands on the raw footage without any transitions already implemented, so I had to follow the original logo thing in all my edited replays. Means a lot to know everything else is alright. Have a great day! ;)

[@abdelhakyac7285]

far rom being at a witcher's level, but the immersion was good

[@PDZ1122]

Never mind the fencing, who is the cute blond referee?

[@shadowless3337]

I've said this before and I'm going to say it again; what's the point of having a long sword if all you're gonna do, is run into your opponent? These guys are high level competitor's, but by the way they fight, I may as well give this guys daggers.

[@ringadingding7667]

There so much wrong with this comment.

[@gitrunner]

Макаров перебежчик что ли?

[@itinerantpoet1341]

Stuff like 28:12 is why I think this sport still has a long way to develop. Why is so much of this trying to hit the opponent's body without first having controlled their sword? This type of fencing may be fine for tournament, but it's non-viable over time if these were real sword fights. I only bring in up because there's an idea out there that, because HEMA uses protective gear, it's the "real thing", but this doesn't look any different to me in character than the sport of FIE. In real swordfighting, you can't do that. And that type of non-viable strategy cost the guy the match at 28:19, and it was a mutual hit even so.

[@ringadingding7667]

Bro you're going on to numerous hema videos and just spouting bs. Please just stop lmao. My guy said Olympic fencing g was the most realistic version of swordfighting on another video🤦

[@wagie95]

Is this how they used to fight? I know its was nothing like movies but seems.. I dunno.. also unrealistic

[@Aerostarm]

This is pretty much exactly how they fight

[@ringadingding7667]

Yes and no. If you want less doubles and more relism without giving up technique or speed watch swordfish sabre

[@m1nas953]

Novichenko should have one that fight

[@user-dg7sg6ei4f]

Looks cool but i prefere sport fencing

[@itinerantpoet1341]

I think HEMA is a sport entirely created by amateurs who don't have the experience to interpret the manuals. Fights get messy for two reasons: the competitors are tired or the competitors are unskilled. Fatigue shouldn't be a factor for a bout of this short duration, because battles could last all day.

[@ringadingding7667]

This isn't Olympic fencing. Swords weigh a shit ton more. The fencers themselves are skilfully and athletic. Based off you're other comments you're an Olympic fencer who doesn't understand anything about hema and is just sitting on it for being abit slower.

[@konstantin3374]

One half of those manuals are straight up riddles in long dead german dialects and other has no methodology and is really just picture books with descriptions of actions without any order or context. And fencing duels are completely detached from battles and warfare, they were fun, sports and way for common folk to obtain some fame and glory to advance their social status.

[@joyce1993]

Jesus loves you all:)

[@Himman0]

Its a fucking Zweihänder or not? :D

[@c0nstantin86]

guy with more knowledgeable historical guards loses guy who's basic strategy was sumo wins crowd favoring and cheering come backs of guy that knows less of this sport referee is a woman because we're now in 2018 or was 2017 i'm gonna find a different sport....

[@mgd8867]

Martial Arts evolve or die. The referee did nothing wrong. Stop being such a pleb.

[@mgd8867]

@@c0nstantin86 lol

[@canesvenatici9588]

Yeah, kinda feel the same... But I hope they would change it back to it's glory next. If only I could change it.

[@thestuffmonster9856]

Why do you have a problem with the ref being a woman? She’s probably more experienced than you, both in reffing and fencing.

[@ComradeBucket]

@@c0nstantin86 Hahaha. What a fool.