HERE’S WHY ONE OF THESE CARS IS OVERVALUED... [VLOG]

[@Exyhl]

Why dont u call it Farrar if u name Porsch instead of PorschEEE?

[@Number27]

The same reason I say Horse and not Hors and Paris instead of Pari (like the French do). I speak English and in English it is Porsche not Porsch’a’. Every time someone says this it reminds me of Joey on Friends, covered in Porsche merchandise being outraged because the others didn’t say Porsch’a.

[@Exyhl]

@@Number27 I see it differently, in my opinion it is a sign of appreciation and recognition to pronounce someone's name correctly. Porsche delivers the same outstanding quality to all countries in the world and makes no exceptions in this regard just because someone comes from the USA or England. I am of the opinion that only because you speak a different language means that you shouldn't bother to pronounce names correctly. I find this point ignorant. Here is an example of a guy from Michigan who correctly pronounces Porsche when telling his story about his 1967 911S. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWiqnKZ6iLijjrc That's my opinion and I'm sorry that I was rude in the first comment.

[@findtomdotcom]

@@Number27 I don't think that's true Jack. It's a German name so surly it's Porsch'a?

[@1968spikey]

Hands up all those who shouted "ROSSO CORSA" at 2:47. C'mon Jack. Have a word with yourself ;)

[@sltillim]

Ferrari 308gt4 guy here. Much praise for the 911. I feel like the 911 got a parallel track to Rolex collecting. They are a standard. They came in many colors and variety. They work. They can be personalized. There are enough of them for a mass to make them en vogue and regularly comparable. On top of that they are easier to approach and consider because of its greater availability. The market drove the value. The 308 has been overlooked and/or looked down on for many years. It has a greater need to rebuild a larger reputation. It can be scary to approach.

[@nunomc2815]

Best comment here 👍👌

[@James_Sovereign]

Let's not forget, the Ferraris are horrendously expensive to work on. I own one, it costs me a fortune.

[@darrellsimpson6966]

@@James_Sovereign nonsense

[@jamesc5780]

One has made to date, the most successful race car EVER, the other one is a Ferarri.

[@v5cog]

Maybe.. but it's still far too common .. which sadly detracts from its appeal..

[@scottthomson9813]

Nobody looks at an old clapped out 911. That 308 is straight class.

[@Adrian-fy7rd]

As a Porsche enthusiast and owner, I can’t help but notice the lack of reference to racing pedigree and recognition of the iconic status the 911 has as its production life is incomparable to any Ferrari. These factors may impact values, no? Add to that, there are many buyers of 911s who use it as a first or second car. The Fezzas will be 2nd, 3rd or 4th cars. So quite a different demographic of owner.

[@Adrian-fy7rd]

@@v5cog Surely the market says otherwise?

[@v5cog]

@@Adrian-fy7rd racing pedigree aside, I’ve driven many 911’s and will not deny they’re a very capable car, but they never made me feel I was in something really “special” as when I drove a Ferrari for the first time.. I never got any smiles or admiring looks from bystanders when in the Porsche.. but every time I take the 308 out, I’m constantly getting people asking me about it and and talking about their fond memories and that it was their dream car ... i want a car to make feel excited about opening up the garage and getting it ready to take for a spin..if I drove it every day.. for me..it would stop being “special” .. I didn’t buy it for its 0-60 or top speed.. I bought it because it makes me smile every time I drive it ... surely that’s the magic that a car should bring... one mark that has that in bucketloads is... Ferrari

[@johanvankralingen9538]

Maybe the Porsche superior built quality is the reason.

[@y0057]

I was going to say just this. The build quality makes a really big difference, meaning they are real world everyday useable high performance cars.

[@philiplievens3835]

Don't forget that the 3.2 is bullitproof even after high mileage! And the parts will be cheaper...

[@miamimo70]

That's a very difficult choice to make, heart says Ferrari, brain says Porsche

[@anthonyharding5]

Surely after this brain says Ferrari as well?👌

[@michaelwilliams8781]

Yes ... When I owned a 3.2 Carrera I found it far more expensive to service than as described here. It was a very reliable car, but I didn’t love it.

[@jmarkr100]

Get a heart transplant.

[@paulm114]

For me at least the Ferrari is by far the most desirable of the two.

[@dimi911]

I own several classic 911s amongst other classics and whenever I have a think of what could potentially be next on the list, my mind always goes to another 911. There is a magic to 911s I think, from the way they look, the way they drive to the symphony of the flat 6, the iconic dashboard and although there is Ferrari models I would potentially like to own, I always think there is another Porsche I need to have first. For me the air cooled 911 is an automotive icon and a true masterpiece

[@alastairfaulds8184]

The Ferrari is just so gorgeous, art in metal.

[@jameslatimer1432]

But you need a big fat wallet full of money to buy fine art I would never buy one of these cars and I worked in the trade for over 2 decades money for nothing and the chips are free 😉😁

[@3.2Carrera]

I did a mechanical restoration on my '89 3.2 last year and at 125k miles it needed it. All of the rubber bits were leaking which is essentially every seal in the split engine case and all of the oil lines were weeping. There's a lot of oil lines. The car had 3 broken head studs and the exhaust was rust welded together. I did it myself: upgraded cams and a new 3.4 kit, full stainless exhaust, fixed interior, fuel lines, clutch, oil lines, machine work, ported heads, a/c, racing valves, and everything else to last another 30 years for $30K. I was able to get all the parts with no issue and improve the weak areas of the car like the head studs and the rod bolts. I'm very happy with the result and the car has inherited the design philosophy of the VW beetle where you drop the engine and transmission and get to it. The galvanized shell and original; paint was good so I got lucky there. But I'd rather have an older car that I can work on and was pleased that the Porsche fit the bill. Not sure of the 308, maybe the next project for me.

[@johnireland1629]

How true how true. You took me back to the days of my own 1980 308 (GTSi) ownership. I bought it for ($27k) with 88k miles on it in 1992 or 93...from the original owner who used it as his daily driver. It was then my daily driver for 3+ years and I sold it with 124k on the odometer, for $25k. The build quality was wonderful, never a problem. I fortified myself with a group of three different places I could get parts and service. And since the car came with a full sized spare, I would have felt comfortable driving to New York and back without a worry. Looking at 20 and 20+ year old cars today, I'd have to say that the 996.1 911 is the new unloved bargain on the block.

[@detonator2112]

Between the two, I'd take the 911 in a heartbeat. That being said, Ferraris are great cars to drive but nasty cars to own. That might not apply to that particular model of yours but their reputation is shaky. 911 kinda sets the standard and it's viewed as a classic car enthusiast car. Ferraris, however, have somewhat ostentatious reputation. Someone took an example from the watch world and that was kinda good comparison. If 911 is the classic Rolex steel Submariner, Ferrari is the same watch with gold and diamonds. When you go to the watch market you'll find out that the preowned prices between steel and bling are pretty much the same. Not everyone want to show off like that. Cheers, I love your channel. You really are a genuine car guy. PS: I love the 70's Mercedes SL. Your bashing of that classic is something I'll never forgive hahah. Seriously, keep up the good work!

[@superseven7947]

It's the Porsche every time.. Most iconic sports car ever and one of longest lasting most durable I my humble opinion

[@christianfelske3005]

I own a 308 GT4 and a 3.2 Carrera. I love them both. They have a completely different character. The 308 gives you much more drama and is more of an event to take it for a ride. The Carrera is more civilised, but therefore more usable. Running costs are more than double for the 308.

[@Number27]

Interesting, thanks Christian!

[@petrjerabek7641]

Really interesting comparison Jack ... And you are right, people would think Ferrari is going to be more expensive in repair and running costs. Here in mainland Europe, the cost of the two isn't on par. Ferrari 308 is more expensive than Carrera 3.2 by at least 15k euro, if you check the classifieds. In fact prices of the Carrera 3.2 are a bit softening, but still high. I wanted to buy one this year, but in the end managed to get a great condition early (1967) Lotus Elan +2 instead, the first version with Carrello rear lamps. I figured out they made just 178 cars in this first series, around 5k Elan +2's were totally produced. One might think, these cars would be expensive today, because they are rare. And they aren't. The Lotus cost less than half of what i would have to pay for similar good condion Carrera 3.2 or SC or 2.7. Porsche prices are a bit misterious thing... I am actually glad i drive (for many years now - generally as everyday car) a 996 Carrera 2 (3.4) with a manual and every time i drive a different 911, older or newer i just think how it is possible, that the 996 was such cheap few years ago and still is reasonably cheap today. While a sorted example drives so well! So, price doesnt always come with rarity of a car or with the way it drives. Not always logical, otherwise Lotus cars would have to be more costly :-D... anyway enjoy your 308! Looking forward to new content...

[@pjay3028]

I agree with everything you say about exclusivity and desirability but I think the Porsche has greater demand because they still hold their value with higher mileages, so you can actually buy one and use it. Values for the Ferraris seem to plummet once they've got more than 20-30,000 miles so people who want a car to actually drive tend to steer clear of the real exotica like Ferraris. Also, just to be pedantic, the Porsche doesn't actually have a torsion beam axle, it has trailing arms with torsion bars, that's quite different. It's the trailing arm suspension that's "antiquated", not the torsion bars, which are of course used by F1 cars, amongst others.

[@davidw7155]

Ooops... Yes, 308 is double wishbone front and rear, but 911 is struts at the front, semi trailing arms at the rear which evolved to multi-link. Weight and bhp... take them to a weighbridge for the actual truth, but you can rely on the fact that no standard 308 ever had 250 bhp!! Porsche were more likely to be telling the truth at the time. Rolling road for actuality...

[@pirodaniel2733]

Hey, great video thanks. I own an 86 3.2 Carrera for more than 10 years now and i still like this car. It is German, it is reduced to what is important, it has only dials and switches you need. Reminds me of an WW2 German U boot. Yes, i am German. It is a very "dry" car with little cheekyness designed to perform and execute - and that for a long time. Look at Ferdinand Piech...and i guess you know what I mean. In the other side, i am half Italian and recently thought about buying a 308. This car on the other side represents the cheekyness and playfullness. The wiring is a mess, the switches are flimsy but still you love it. It is less serious compared to the " may I see your papers" german border control precision car. Both cars in a way do represent their countries at the time they were produced. Greetings from the fatherland 😉 And yes Britain.....you've got a Trade Deal finally....

[@johnbeattie1225]

Best thing you said was use your cars. A must or what's the point of a Trophy in a garage .Might as well have a picture on the wall. Enjoyment is the using and maintaining of your car and enjoying ownership . Plus all the components keep working. 👍

[@ase2060]

In a nut shell the Porsche should have never worked, but the racing record books say otherwise open and shut case.

[@robro911]

One is made of cheese and feels like it ! The other feels like it is made of billet steel. I'm sure I don't need to state which is which. It just remains for me to quote: "Porsche, there is no substitute". Ciao.

[@samshuttlewood8600]

Another great video. Really enjoying your channel. It’s up there with Harry’s Garage and Tyrell’s Classic Workshop. Porsches seem to ‘punch above their weight’ with their used prices, certainly in the last few years. I think certain Ferraris like the 308/328 and even Testarossa seem really good value. I mean the Testarossa is iconic in the true sense and you can still get one for under £100k. That’s ludicrous! I think a lot of it is as you say the ‘ooo it will cost the earth to run’ factor. I absolutely agree with you that running a car regularly helps to keep issues at bay. I’ve currently got a TVR Griffith 4.3 which lives outside and I try to drive it once a week even during winter!

[@Number27]

Never tried a Griffith, always wanted one! Thanks and happy new year Sam!

[@johnwh1039]

Maybe its cheap because the Testarossa is the naffist, ugliest Ferrari every. Look at it, then its immediate predecessor the Berlinetta Boxer. All will become clear......

[@dasboototto]

I'm looking at Pelicanparts right now. . non OEM front pads start at $28 for a 87 911. Rockauto has front rotors starting at $17 for the same 87 911. You need to shop around a little more.

[@derekspace]

The desires of my youth! I'm 54 and I grew up drooling over those 2 hotties (or was it the scantily clad ladies draped over them in the posters on my wall?). Good job on the costs.The normal maintenance stuff is not near as bad as people think, it's the odd parts only available from the factory that will kill you but then a well kept car does not have a lot of those issues. I still can't afford either so I drive the poor man's 308...the MR2. Good job!

[@sftny9881]

I sold my air cooled thinking they were over valued and could come back in later. But so far the air cooled values are holding, despite some saying it is a “bubble”. At this point question if these values can continue to hold, esp if the economy continues to take a beating.

[@Nord_Mann]

Same here, but in Norway it has softened a bit. Everyone wants EV’s. Nobody is buying fossile fueled cars here anymore..

[@bisondacierr]

@@Nord_Mann while we're at overvalued, EV's...

[@Nord_Mann]

@@bisondacierr they are exempt from taxes in Norway, so a Tesla here, costs the same + shipping, as in California.

[@geoffclarke8934]

I have experience of both cars. I owned a 911 3.2 between '99 & 2003 and about a year before buying the 3.2, I hired a 308QV for a weekend trip. I got a 3.2 after having a brief ride in a friends 3.2CS which sounded fantastic and was generally a really exiting car to be in. Sadly, the late model red 3.2 I bought was nothing like as quick as the 3.2 Club Sport. It was very reliable but never felt like it was making the full 230 bhp and the 944 Turbo I had before felt quicker in a straight line when on boost. The 308QV was a nice but needed a bit of TLC especially the gearbox. I agree its perceived cost of ownership which probably counts against the Ferrari and in the Porsche's favour.

[@964tractorboy]

As an ex-owner of one of these models for a decade, driving and tracking it all over Europe, suffice to say I would have been delighted if regular maintenance had registered in the cost of ownership equation. Lack of regular use is a curse; it cost me a top-end rebuild within months of purchase. I could go on. And on... If only I hadn't sold it (yes, me too).

[@markbennett6658]

Great comparison and I’m not surprised. Hopefully not too many people will watch this and drive the 308 prices up further because I might actually buy one or a 328 or 348 in the not too distant future and they’re expensive enough already!

[@Number27]

Ha!! Good luck in finding one!!

[@tomblatch1594]

Interesting video Jack - lots of food for thought. My take is that market value is driven by one fundamental reason - desirability. For whatever reason the 911 is the sought after 70's/80's sports car and has been for some time now. I expect this is driven by it's perceived icon status (as much as I love the 308, I don't think it shares the same cache in that regard). I don't think exclusivity really comes into question - there are simply more buyers than nice cars - hence the upward curve of values. Also, there is an image problem with red Ferraris which will put off the fashion concious classic buyer. Also, as you alluded to, the 911 is probably regarded as an easier day to day prospect than the 308. I do agree with many of your points, particularly around medium to long term running costs - repairing a rotten 911 (of which there are many!) I'm sure will be just as costly as restoring a 308. Still, it's a nice conundrum to have if you have the funds - me? I'd go for an early GTB, non-red, blue perhaps. I would probably want to try a 3.2 before committing - just in case ;-) Love the content Jack - have a Happy New Year and I'm looking forward to more Influenzo updates in 2021!

[@MrPabsUk]

Its Rosso Corsa (same colour as one of my Fiat Uno`s!) Its absolutely because of the speculators, as well as hearsay, its why German cars are so highly prized, the myth of "German kavolitee", which fell by the wayside in the mid 90`s when the German bean counters decided to go for volume over engineering, & not only cut engineering corners to make their cars cheaper to buy, but also started designing parts to fail at certain intervals to ensure people would have to come back to dealerships long term, to replace the parts they designed to break, balancing up the cars lower initial prices.. I think it was The Times that started pushing the idea that classic cars were a good long term investment about 8 years ago, & they pushed the idea that German classics were a blue chip prospect, resulting in the middle classes going out & buying them up in droves. You now cant go down a single street in many middle & upper class areas of London without seeing a VW camper, a Beetle, a BM 6 Series, an air cooled 911 or a Merc R107 or W123, like, literally every road, & thats vastly inflated prices in the last 5 years... (the upcoming extended ULEZ is going to cause an issue with the 80`s stuff they`ve been buying though, so I expect those prices to drop a little in the next 18 months). I mean, I sold my (black) 28,000 mile, fully historied 308 GTS QV in 2008 for £18k, which was about right at the time, now, it`d be in the 50-60k bracket... And yes, my 308 was very reliable, & the only fault it had over my ownership was a rust perforated coolant expansion tank, which was about £700 to replace.

[@vincenzo62]

The 308 does it for me, its a Ferrari, the badge says it all!

[@jasongammon2767]

I think the reason in part is that the 911 democratised the sports car as well as the iconology of the Porsche 911 brand. That’s not to say that Ferrari suffers for brand value! Great film as always jack 👍🏼

[@twistoffat]

Love both and the 308 IMO is a prettier car. Problem is their is a huge price gap alone between 3.2 G50 and 915 gear boxes as well as the SC reliability and chain tensioner problems.A well sorted G50 is worth way more than an SC. I've had G50 for 13 years and love it. Its got to a stage however that due to its increased value its important to have a good service history and independent porsche workshops are way less expensive that a Ferrari workshop. I agree with you on the reliability and running cost issue but even the G50 has chains instead of belts which reduces service costs dramatically. Still love the 308 though

[@andrewp9725]

Spot on! I think your thought summarise a lot of stereo types with Italian and German cars which impacts respective interest and values!

[@timgosling6189]

I don't know if you've had your car dyno'ed yet but you'll find it puts out pretty much the same power as the Porsche; the handbook figures are more marketing than fact. Spares prices can be very reasonable if they are available from non-ferrari sources. Buy pads from EBC and oily bits from Superformance, as you say, are much better value. The aircon compressor is American and still available from the US where a similar system was fitted to gazillions of mass-market cars. If you have a later car like a 348 the Bosch engine management system is shared with the Vauxhall Cavalier. Where it gets expensive is trim, light lenses and bits like that. If you order bits from Ferrari you may find they have to make them for you in a small batch. 328 indicator/side light lenses, obviously vulnerable to stone damage, were at one stage unobtainable at any price. So if you're looking at a car to buy it's best to engage someone who can accurately assess and price up any work that may be required. The biggest difference between these cars becomes visible at the edge of the handling envelope: if you run out of talent a 308 will generally put you through the hedge forwards and a 911 backwards.

[@sishabadab6570]

It's a brave man that would put an old Ferrari on a dyno.. Stressing that engine isn't advisable.

[@timgosling6189]

@@sishabadab6570 Actually they love it far more than sitting unused. My 308 did on average 3 track days a year with no problems at all.

[@Ztandard32]

Geat video and really interesting. I allowed a fairly big contingency when I bought a 911. So far it has cost £378 to service after three years of ownership.

[@michaelgrefteter8712]

It's great that there are guys like you so we can still enjoy these beautiful classics.

[@mattevans4377]

One is a ticking time bomb, the other is a car that will actually start in the morning. I'll let you guess which one.....

[@RBMGT4]

How many times has your 308 failed to start in the morning?

[@brizzieleif5258]

Another consideration is that rarity doesn't always equate to value, in fact it can be the opposite. For collectables, the more popular something is the more chance it will increase in value because everybody wants it due to some connection they have with it.

[@James_Sovereign]

I have an all original, RHD delivered, 1992 Ferrari 348 ts. Total production from 1989 - 1993 was 4,230 of which only 26 were RHD.

[@justaddafan]

Torsion beam is just a description of the spring. The 911 is a rear swing arm, front strut suspension.

[@Number27]

Yes.. but torsion beam is very antiquated.. and was even when the car was launched. Coil spring far superior. Porche didn’t use it for long time because of packaging constraints. And trailing arm not exactly cutting edge either for the late eighties! Thanks for watching!

[@justaddafan]

@@Number27 A spring is a spring. It doesn't control geometry or have any real effect on handling. It's like calling the Corvette a leaf spring suspension. It's not, it's double wishbone.

[@XiraArien]

@@Number27 and F1 cars uses torsion arm springs. You do know that coil springs also are torsion springs right? They are just shaped differently.

[@pjay3028]

No, torsion beam is a completely different suspension system used on the rear of FWD cars.

[@XiraArien]

@@pjay3028 the physical setup of the suspension is very different between coil and beam springs. But that doesn’t change the fact both spring types are functioning by torsion of the cross section. So both types are torsion springs - other spring types are example Bellevue springs, spiral springs, flat springs. As lessuresuit writes it is the suspension design that is different and I agree that double wishbones are among the best.

[@davidepperson2376]

I've got to disagree from the standpoint of driving costs. My '72 mechanically injected 911 has _never_ left me stranded, never failed to start, in two decades of ownership where I drive it ever Friday, Saturday and Sunday, as well as across the states north and south in my state (California). And the 3.0L/3.2L 911 SC's are known to go upwards of 300,000 miles without a rebuild. What would you say is the average odometer reading on 35 to 50 year old 308?

[@craftingmat5425]

Quite simple: -> If you have a million people who want to buy such a Porsche (for whatever reason - I by myself also LOVE 911s, also had one in the past atm I "only" have an Elise which is not really driven due to "my family eats up all my time"), even 500k of 911s is not enough, you are in a sellers market... Prices are "high" in that case - whatever may be considered to be "high". -> If you have 20k 308s for sale and only 10k people who want to buy... you are in a buyers market and prices are low (whatever is considered low btw). I really like your channel! Keep on rolin'! :-)

[@andrewgurney6019]

Ferrari all day for me, exotic and a true classic sports car. So true about using the cars and enjoying them, I love Harry Metcalfe for that, he uses his cars to the max and enjoys the hell out of them, so sad to see these type of cars gathering dust in garages. Keep safe Jack and Happy new year.

[@Get10Yards]

I think I would go for the 911. Personal opinion but with the classic car performance of both I would go for looks of the 911.

[@bellrobert1978]

All collectors 911's are overpriced. I'd still pick it over the Ferrari though.

[@frankhall401]

Step away from the motion sickness inducing transition effects button!

[@markallcock3332]

Great video Jack as always. As these cars are generally weekend cars. how you enjoy them is very important.

[@RogerBaileyOnCars]

Stay safe Jack, from the Porsche Community that is ! lol, In the 1980's when I could only afford end of life cars, both of these cars were my dream, the Ferrari 308 being my no 1 idol and was always more expensive than a 911 and rightly so. . interesting and enjoyable video cheers !

[@Number27]

Ha, thanks Roger! I did wonder if they might be after me. However got a nice 993 video coming soon. That might make up for it. Thanks for watching Roger!

[@jeffreyb.1657]

I left my 996TT because it held a 30,000 engine timebomb....7,000 leaking coolant fix and a boost issue.....with good car. Moved to a subaru sti....no regrets. Miss the idea of the 911...don't miss the worry.

[@rollieenavlogs7370]

Great comparison. I’ve owned a low mileage 3.2 bought from Autofarm and ran it daily ... the costs of ownership were not for the faint-hearted 😥

[@the_tube]

What price pleasure? If it makes you happy then it’s worth the price. That’s before the pleasure it brings to people that just see them being driven.

[@G0K3001]

Agreed, your own outlook of value is worth more then price. If and when you would sell, most people consider fair market value.

[@mr.airgun6921]

308’s are really cheap to run, I’d say the belt service could easily be done for less than £800. I look after a few of them and the belt service is much easier and cheaper than my clio 172. A great classic to own if you’re half handy with the spanners as buying things like timing belts are peanuts for them & as a DIY it’s very easy.

[@darrellsimpson6966]

Belt change on my 328 cost me $85 - 00. Not brain surgery.

[@chrismoller01]

nice work Jack, yes controversial... love it....haha.... of course there will be comments and reactions... but that even happens within the porsche community... think 911 v 928 (or 944) let alone 914! ... then of course there are the so called un-cool ferrari's like the testarossa/512 or the Bertone Dino 308/208 GT4... same issues. The cool thing is that the uncool cars are brilliant, exceptionally well engineered (by both porsche and ferrari) and beautiful in their own way... making them accessible as you brilliantly put it... "to car enthusiasts not speculators" ! Nice Jack, couldn't agree more!

[@y0057]

Ferrari rarer and prettier, Porsche superior build quality plus everyday usability & reliability on a different level.

[@pauln0371]

Totally agree. All Porsches are the same regarding mileage. If you buy a low mileage one be prepared for some sizeable bills. It amazes me that a 3.2 Carrera is worth any where near as much as a 308. In reality I think a really good sorted one should be no more than £25 - £30k..

[@Jester-Riddle]

This so much depends on the definition of 'value'. Market Price is only part of the value-equation, eg. If you're using a daily-driver, cost is spread over more use and reliability becomes paramount. If it's a 'tart-trap' you want, the brash rarer Ferrari has more value ... so, 'anything for the weekend, sir' applies ... In UK weather, having effective demisting/heating/wipers/etc might not favour an Italian car, but then again taking a Porsche 911 'for a spin' has duality of meaning. In 10 years time, having either will have a high iconic value as they actually make a sound, compared to a backdrop of whining EV's ... speeding past them (if the government control software will permit them to do over 50mph and actually overtake !).

[@daveshongkongchinachannel]

Very valid points and if I was in the market for one of these cars it would certainly make me think again about the Ferrari although ultimately I still think I would go for the understated looks of the Porsche.

[@rareblendcars]

Thanks again Jack for the great video! The Ferrari 308 has always been a childhood dream for us! Mmmm gated shifter...

[@v5cog]

And there lies the difference between a childhood dream and a Porsche !!

[@rareblendcars]

@@v5cog childhood dreams (Ferrari) for the win!

[@spotty_cat26]

Porsche ever time for me. That Ferrari is a little bit too "Magnum PI" for me

[@ant208]

The Porches is a little bit too "Beetle" for me

[@marvinwilson34]

My mantra, you have to use them ,avoid old low milage anything, because as soon as you start using regularly they all break ,not just Ferraris, anyway excellent video.

[@alansharp1528]

Keep talking sense and making more enjoyable videos. Good luck for 2021👍

[@Number27]

Thank you Alan!’

[@cp4512]

2 cars I absolutely love, and I’d happily have either. But the Family SUV will be needed for a few more years yet! Loved this video 👍😀

[@rhettcorcoran2879]

They are both fascinating cars, Ferrari passion and Porsche robustness, I would love both but I would go for the 911, I am annoying myself with that decision!

[@sazabi-zc3ir]

It’s torsion bar not torsion bream, I think they’re 2 different thing. Torsion bream is kind of non-independence suspension geometry which may still has coil springs, torsion bar is one kind of spring that can be used on all kinds suspension geometry.

[@johnwh1039]

Correct. A torsion bar is just an alternative to a spring.

[@davidwright1605]

The 911 has torsion bar suspension, not torsion beam. The rear suspension is fully independent unlike a torsion beam, which is typically used on fwd cars.

[@Number27]

My mistake! I did know that.. just said the wrong thing!

[@VINTTRO]

Spot on analogy Jack. Two totally different cars, but as you say the 308 is much rarer, easier and just as cheap to maintain. Great work ✌🏼

[@marcdavis2840]

Can we have a wip round and buy Jack a new pair of gloves!! 😳 That green is a🤢Happy New Year🍻

[@JofGB]

There is some good bargains on Aca Car Auctions I think with the present climate it might be in our favour at the moment that’s hope so some good bargains to come

[@giovannigallo8429]

I owned 3.2 non Sport for a few years, maintained through a very respectable independent, costs to maintain the 911 runs into the multiple thousands, even with low mileage...

[@glenmynard3926]

I own both a 1984 Ferrari 308 QV and a 1984 Porsche 928 S2, the Porsche when new cost the same as the Porsche 911 Turbo (930) but just compare the price of a 930 and 928 today !. 911 prices have faired very well against most classics. Running costs if I'm honest I think Porsche prices for engine parts are more expensive, especially for the 84-86 928. Build quality is completely different, even though the 928's were hand built, the 308 does feel much older and not as robust.

[@mckav2358]

Thats amazing im surprised at how affordable the servicing is I would never have considered going near one of either due to the running costs

[@ryanmccormick2150]

I just simply love 911's so obviously I'd take the 911 over the 308 but if money was no object I would take a Ferrari over the 911 but it would be an F40 🙂 . Another cracking video Jack!

[@Number27]

Cheers buddy!!

[@jamiejack764]

I still prefer the ferrari, the look the sound, it's something special.

[@jimmyhamm9737]

I WOULD PICK THE PORSCHE AS THE BEST DAILY DRIVER.

[@leumas75]

My concern would be in getting quality work done on each car. Where I live Porsche mechanics are easy to find, but finding someone that will work on a Ferrari and not charge and arm and a leg is much haired to come by. For those of us who are too old and decrepit to do our on work, can you do a follow-up on who how much the average mechanic charges for each of these? Thanks!

[@Number27]

Totally agree on that. Both tend to me more expensive than they should be though as these are simple cars!

[@bazxl57]

Both would be ideal but if push come to shove i would pick the Porsche, but then wish i would have chose the Ferrari. Unfair question really. All the best

[@pcarguy981]

It's interesting the difference where you are and here in the US. Getting into a 308 will cost you $50-60k (USD) for a good driver - that's for a 2V injected car - carbed cars and 4 valve cars will add to that, something far from perfect, but isn't a restoration job either. A 911 SC will run you $30-40k and a Carrera a little more than that. Obviously you can score a deal, or find cheaper project cars, but just 'in general' type numbers. Parts are hit/miss with both, the nice thing about the 3x8 platform is there are a lot of Fiat parts in it - on the downside there are a number of Ferrari specific parts which are also just not available anymore - who would think that broken/missing dash board vents could lead to a multi-thousand dollar price difference in a car. Around here you will pay more for somebody to work on a Ferrari than a Porsche as well (comparing well respected indy mechanics of both marque's). But for the rest I think it's the same regardless of which side of the Atlantic you are on. Thanks for the video! Happy Holidays!

[@Number27]

Thanks and interesting to hear the differences to the US! Happy new year buddy 🇺🇸

[@713vinh]

You cannot go wrong with either cars, both are lovely! Are you going to do a review on the white Porsche since you currently have it in possession?

[@petrolboy1906]

Always have been struggling, P or F, never dared to buy an F! Drove a 964 daily for 7 years, wanted an upgrade to a 355, but it ended there! 355 can be a horror car. Running costs are astronomical! Ended up with 996 GT3.....bulletproof! Still longing for a moneypit: 355 😄 It’s just a different dimension, and has nothing to do with reliability. It has something to do with the heart.....same as the 308! Who dares to drive a 308 to the Northpole and back again? 3.2 can!

[@ootnaboot2]

I agree with your concept of perceived costs to run. However in my opinion the Porsche appeals to more people as it's perceived as being able to be used as a daily, although unlikely to do so given status as a classic. Also the Porsche appeals to people for track days, classic rallying, car shows. Lots of aftermarket support and parts for the Porsche, owning a Ferrari is a bit scarier. Love your Ferrari but my choice would be the Porsche.

[@MrManBuzz]

Well there's also the clear fact, the Porsche is better built. The Porsche is much more likely to start when you turn the key than the Ferrari. This is really poor easily refuted mental gymnastics from Jack if I'm honest.

[@robfrost1]

I'm pretty sure I heard you saying 70,000 miles is high mileage for the Ferrari. Whereas 350,000 miles is high for the 3.2 Carrera. Including depreciation per mile driven is key to cost of ownership. And to get your kids or a couple of mates to the car show you need two trips in the Ferrari.

[@paolo7436]

It's just a matter of what you had as a poster in your chilhood. I own a qv and 993 turbo( supposed to be the best evolution of the air cooled etc etc) Both cars have plenty of issues even if fully serviced. The supposed German quality is far from reality(for example vdo instruments that use to failure, petrol smell in the cockpit choosing from fuel sender, fuel pump,fuel lines etc etc). Italian big problem is not by far engine but electric wiring etc . Anyway once you solved the main issues they offer really great and rewarding driving experience. Owning a classic...no matter who is the producer...is a huge patience and love exercise. And a huge money pit. The sooner you realize the better it is 😁👍👍

[@danielcroft7653]

911 prices have skyrocketed over the last 10 years. I bought mine in 2007 for £12k and it was in great condition.

[@213davidhunter]

Would not complain owning either! But the Porsche would have the edge for me I think.

[@pcporsche8616]

They are the same price because there are much more people wanting a drivers car like a Porsche 911 3.2, one of the most reliable 911 versus Italian “trash” as the mechanics of the time called the Ferraris until the Testarossa. fiat parts with a engine screaming lack of reliability. The only apeal was the name. Also there are much more mechanics that can work in the 911 than the Ferrari, 911 it’s the most recognisable sports car in the world with an history of development...in the future expect that the 911 will be more valuable than the Ferrari. I’ve a Friend that has Ferraris and Porsche’s, Porsches have more than 100kkm ...Ferraris much less...they are just for show, nothing else.

[@darrellsimpson6966]

Sure

[@jazzyj8850]

Don't shoot me for me saying this but for me it simply comes down to the less tangible desirability factor, the 308 is nice and has really grown on me having viewed your channel, but has always been one of the lesser Ferraris for me and I think that's reflected in the values. Any old 911 seems to be hugely desirable so it's no surprise they are priced higher than logic would suggest they should

[@Number27]

Interesting point but that was precisely my point.. I like both but for me the 308 is defintely more desirable than a 3.2... and the reason for the similar prices is that people are scared of costs and reliability of the 308. When really they don’t need to be. Thanks for watching!

[@jazzyj8850]

@@Number27 Absolutely, it all comes down to the individual right? Really enjoying your content. Keep up the good work.

[@2702simmo]

I love both manafacturers and love both cars. Ferrari my favourite manufacturer but out of these two I’d lust over the 911 more than the 308. I’d love an old 911

[@Number27]

Interesting to hear, thanks Simmo!

[@scottwaszak698]

I owned a 1977 308 dry sump Euro spec. A close friend of mine had a 911 Carrera. There was/is NO comparison. That Ferrari was everything more than that 911. On wide open throttle, with those 8 Webers howling, it made the Porsche sound like a can opener by comparison. The Porsche was very capable and cool; the Ferrari was just bad ass. To the point, the Euro carb GTB's are THE best of the 308/328 series, and I've either owned or driven them all.

[@stefaneinz]

Very good video....but in one key area I disagree based on my own experience (and I appreciate this is a sample of one!) - I've run a lowish mileage, well looked after (but used regularly) 308 GTB for nearly 10 years; and a 3.2 Carrera for a bit longer (60k mile car). Roughly, the 308 has cost me 3x to run versus the 91 based on annual servicing for both. I've used a top Ferrari specialist for the 308, and Porsche Reading for the 911.

[@Number27]

Really interesting to hear that Stefan, would be great too see where the money went on the 308? I find most specialists are also a bit overpriced for the 308.

[@stefaneinz]

@@Number27 The two mains things have been problems with the 308 cooling system (necessitating a complete strip down) and a differential problem that required a new part to be fabricated at some expense. Fingers crossed, with those two issues sorted (which were probably present when I bought the car), running costs should now be lower....I love driving them both - completely different driving experiences and each special in their own way as you know!

[@bjmullan]

You can't compare the SC standalone. Porsche 911 values are all related and this is partly where the values comes from (911 pre 73/SC/993/964/996/etc.) .

[@doctor13702]

Well balanced and pretty objective. How about this as a thought on your thesis: The Porsche is sat at the right value but the Ferrari is undervalued in the market? I think that is more plausible, and part of that reason is the matter of perceived unreliability/fragility. Also (please don't take this the wrong way) the 308/328 was considered the 'entry level' Ferrari and so has been looked down upon by some people within the Ferrari circles. Myself I have always loved the 911, sadly its out of my price these days for a good one and Im not foolish enough to get involved in one that requires work.

[@Number27]

It’s a good point and fully agree on the entry level Ferrari point, however I believe all classics are overvalued right now so preferred to say the 911 should be worth less rather than the Ferrari more..

[@geedee5268]

The 3.2 is unlikely to be considered "stone age" compared to the Ferrari given it has digitally controlled fuel injection, compared to old fashioned carbs on the Ferrari..! Another value of the Porsche over the Ferrari is the 2+2 design of the Porsche, s the result of the numbers of 911`s produced there are far more spares vendors out there, and competing on prices to some degree. Also I suspect many folk would also value build quality and think the better build quality the chances of better reliability...Need I mention Italian electrics as opposed to Bosch. Porsche monocoque was galvanised from new, Ferrari seem far more likely to suffer corrosion issues at asimilar age/mileage..? 911 over valued today, I have to agree, given I have read of a well looked after 964 being bought in 2009 for £16k... Same car today, £40k + perhaps..? What would the Ferrari have cost back then..? Your point about rarity adding value does not work for me, sorry. The sort of person who adds value relative to rarity seems more likely to be one who is thinking investment. I suspect many a classic car purchase is justified to some extent by thinking it has potential investment value..?

[@kev-the-windsurfer.]

Ferrari all day for me, always has been always will be, I just don't get Porsche.....But thats just me, maybe I'm part Italian!! Interesting video......I really want to get a 308!!

[@Number27]

Get one Kevin!!!

[@kev-the-windsurfer.]

@@Number27 I know where there is one locally, a 1977 GTB......... its very pricey though.....

[@155andRising]

There’s another way of looking at this . A cars value is dictated by what people are willing to pay for it . It could be common and cheap to run but if it’s desirable then people will pay through the nose

[@theopener2936]

Terrific Jack, great effort here when you could just have been getting on with Christmas. I do think though that Ferraris have been exotic, and their values higher, forever. Their values are probably correct. Porsche 911s got trampled by the speculators about 5 years ago and prices shot up. They’ll fall again for all the supply reasons you mention, Ferraris won’t.

[@jimhutton4352]

I’d be more than proud to own either of these beautiful cars. But I guess if pushed the 308 is a dream car, in no small part due to Mr Selleck and his antics in one.

[@damianl3]

I think both are over priced, but I love them both. For Gen X, these were the "fantasy" cars of our childhood (SC not 3.2) and they have an emotional hold on us. Now Gen X is old enough and rich enough to have them, they are being snapped up for silly prices.

[@jennifer.juniper4845]

Very interesting comparison and conclusion, I would agree with you wholeheartedly as a 911 owner, I wouldn’t consider a Ferrari but that is because of ignorance as much as anything, your recent videos haven’t helped as you suggested . Old exotica in my mind may be nice to look at but personally I feel safer and have more peace of mind with my 911, relatively speaking of course Thanks for another fascinating video

[@Number27]

Thank you Jennifer!!

[@dukenukemfragu]

Diagree ! I bought a clutch kit for my SC £295 and its a Saches so i dont know why Rose are charging that.