Herman Li, Tosin Abasi, Tim Henson - Through the Fire and Flames Live (Razer Con Part 4/4)

[@christophermondragon1953]

He's so legendary that his hair flows in the wind even when he's inside

[@luisch8660]

ikr

[@Bobo0818ml]

Yo wait w a i t w a i t WTF??!!!? How!!!?

[@margaretthadison9981]

Well......that's obvious. ....😐

[@mochizukisenpai6682]

Damn 😲😲

[@mochizukisenpai6682]

@Gary Couch that means basically the bassist isn't a legend lol

[@fushiguro8913]

Herman Li looks like he's permanently playing guitar in high winds on the top of a mountain overlooking a stormy sea with raging waters and sea monsters and thunder and lightning. Legendary guitarist and human being.

[@pete5516]

The man’s whole life is a music video, saves them a hell of a lot of money when they can just film him anywhere and it’s this cinematic

[@thetruthgodcountry5052]

He isn't?

[@snowmankillz713]

Can picture this perfectly 😂

[@soccreyes4647]

@@snowmankillz713 Just Imagine Slash, but 300 times faster or something. 😅

[@rickyadjiseptianto972]

Bahahahahhaa😭😭

[@marcdouglas6466]

I love how Tosin and Tim are like the two grown-ups at a kid's birthday party and Herman is the excited 11 year old.

[@raynman6466]

You mean Tim's like the kid that thinks he's too cool to have fun🤣

[@musicman3351]

It’s ironic cause he’s older than both of them i think

[@quantumxfluxmd6821]

@rayn man I know what you mean but I don't think that's what Tim is trying to do. He's just a real shy person, and I'm sure he loves Herman , and ik him and tosin are friends. It probably makes him judge himself if he tries to be outspoken or incredibly outgoing it's just not his personality and that's ok. Herman has his personality thats ok too. Tim has his moments where he goes wild with his close friend group too.

[@justdannyp7]

@@raynman6466 unfunny

[@carcher4525]

@@musicman3351 yeah Herman is late 30s even I’m older than Tim is but he’s lightyears ahead of me guitar wise

[@davidg1612]

I have the greatest respect for Herman still doing his stage moves like he's standing in front of thousands of people while playing very loudly in his living room.

[@justanothertrucker7856]

this description is perfect "playing loudly in his living room" 😂

[@456yukon]

well he WAS standing in front of millions of people so

[@henrychandra3152]

he missed the knee tho

[@brainrich1358]

What musicians hasn't done that in front of a mirror lol

[@zybellion]

Thousands? No, he's playing for billions!

[@codydorminey53]

Herman Li is a high risk high reward kind of player and he honestly doesnt get enough respect for it. he tries so hard to entertain while also playing over the top and you just never get that kind of energy from lead guitarists enough.

[@MrKyutG]

He may not be the best guitarist out there but he is very entertaining to watch. He is such a showman. You can see he is enjoying what he is doing.

[@sheldonmontgomery9767]

@@MrKyutG I'm pretty sure hes one of the best playing right now lol you tripping

[@anubis5404]

I think he would be way better guitar player if he didn’t try to be so fancy hitting everything required.

[@codydorminey53]

@@anubis5404 that's what high risk high reward means though, not to sound like a dick but that's exactly what the glass canon playstyle means. Flashy as fuck to entertain, but sacrifices execution. Hes gotten a FUCK ton better since the 00s though holy shit.

[@takeshelter5313]

True

[@jontollet2654]

Herman and Tim are all over the fretboard. Tosin is like "I got enough strings"

[@rahamusik8786]

😂😂

[@russellzauner]

If Time and Herman had one less string each, Tosin would have exactly the same amount as them put together. I really thought since we were going in even numbered increments, Tim would have brought the crazy 8 string black and gold or at least the blue burl, then we'd have 6, 8, 10. I was hoping Tosin would use the extended advantage to straight up cut heads but no joy in mudville

[@russellzauner]

*Tim

[@traceur694]

@@russellzauner Tosin only has 8 strings, Herman and Tim both have 6, 12 vs 8, they'd need to lose 2 strings each. It's crazy but not that crazy. What's more crazy is the guitar Tosin is playing is his guitar brand and so many other guitarists are picking them up.

[@arkeeper]

@@russellzauner Tosin has an 8 string, not a 10

[@OPAIK]

This looks like the character selection screen. Tosin is the tank, Herman is the assasin, Tim is the sniper, Alicia is the assault class.

[@aneveningwithebola2727]

No healers? This match is gonna suck...

[@genericthepyromain1745]

@@aneveningwithebola2727 Sam would be support if he were there

[@UrianArt]

@@aneveningwithebola2727😂 feel you bro

[@matthewfreedman2925]

What's the group she plays in

[@menolikeyou2368]

@@matthewfreedman2925 Dragon Force

[@chosuke02]

Tosin literally looks like hes learning the song on the spot and is nailing it better than 90% of the population

[@gbenselum]

He did a Petrucci

[@mauricionez4778]

@@gbenselum hahah petruccinator

[@wilsonrawlin8547]

He and Tim are beyond brilliant musicians and guitarists. Just amazing skills that are a Blessing IMO. They are on another level of skill from the rip. That or an insane level of practice.

[@spacetimeduality]

@@wilsonrawlin8547 its always practice 0_0

[@elledreamz]

@@spacetimeduality Not always true. Practice makes perfect, talent makes gods if practice is applied.

[@Skechy3603]

Notice only Herman Li's hair is blowing and not Alicia's. That only happen when you are a metal god.

[@RubenSprng]

I think Alicia did an amazing job, nonetheless

[@Skechy3603]

@@RubenSprng Of course, she did a fantastic job.

[@arifrahmanto6940]

Who she playing bass?

[@xXxThelegend27xXx]

Hey wait a minute why isn’t her hair blowing 😳

[@darkcrypter]

same thing with Tosin and Tim, Herman is literally an airbender

[@rokstarreviews]

Tim is from my hometown and went to my high school and it’s crazy to see him playing with living legends, big ups

[@bubbagaming7498]

Cool story bra

[@rokstarreviews]

1stGuyGamez _ He was a couple years older i don’t exactly remember, my sister was in his grade tho and recalls he was the quiet kid with his earbuds in all the time.

[@lilsyrup7903]

Tim is a living legend now..

[@bradley8g]

@@rokstarreviews shoulda took lessons from him lol

[@tommymango5604]

Tim clearly didn’t go to school...

[@rmshredz]

Tim sure did his homework, while Tosin seems like that guy who never studies for the test but aces it anyway

[@axeloma]

He didnt aced it tho

[@WLxMusic]

@Idea Headed He's improvising here in the key of the song. It itself isn't that hard, what's difficult is performing that quickly and with that much articulation. Also, "tab it out without software"? Do mean learning a song by ear? Yeah, a vast number of musicians can do that. What's really impressive about Tosin is his composition skills and his playing style. Tosin is fucking amazing, but be impressed for the actual impressive reasons please.

[@sondrestrmme4006]

In reality I think it's the opposite. Look at how high Tosin's guitar is on his body. That's a sign of a man who knows his shit.

[@LimewaterMusic]

@Idea Headed advanced musicians don’t use tabs lol

[@dante6x]

@@WLxMusic No he means he can tab out shit without needing software and without picking up his guitar

[@kellyactormosgoog]

What makes Herman go from expert guitarist to legend? That performance. He's not just playing incredibly difficult licks, he's dancing, showboating, driving the energy of the performance, putting on a show. Amazing stuff.

[@hbrandon947]

Absolutely agree! Herman has that live experience that just ELEVATES even the smallest riffs! Tim and Tosin are incredible but they need to add some movement!

[@kiefdemon1979]

Bruh, the way he flipped the guitar with his knee was enough for me to watch this video multiple times.

[@manabboruah7882]

Lol same

[@prakharmulmuley7357]

And he freaking smiled after that like is his knee made of steel?

[@mrjilian07]

That's his signature move btw. He does that every concert it's always amazing to watch haha

[@prakharmulmuley7357]

@@mrjilian07 ik that but this one was a bit too hard

[@mikecast8643]

true performer and very skilled on the scales

[@TheOneMerlin]

I love how uncomfortable Tim looks He like: this is not my bedroom

[@terran236]

He's angy

[@Revelation22_5]

I thought the same

[@Ulquiorro]

Guys, guys, he probably just needed some red wine

[@Zakksback17]

lol so true

[@andeddokira]

Mustn't have been allowed to have his pre gig nap

[@nickbelcher8079]

Funny how growing up being a "bedroom guitarist" was discouraged, now everyone is a bedroom guitarist :D

[@StevenBrown-me]

Someone made a Van Halen tribute cover recently, and YT guitar teacher Ben Eller took the solo, and they cut over to him in the video, and he cranks it out while sitting in his office chair. Not a criticism, it’s just kind of funny to me 😄

[@leerobbo92]

@@StevenBrown-me Which one was that?

[@jamiemoll2484]

Van Halen sat on the foot of his bed with a six pack and his axe.

[@holistg8802]

Lol

[@szabolcsmate5254]

Except those of us who just watch guitarists from their bedroom.

[@Vauxey]

As soon as Herman Li starts playing guitar, the wind spawns

[@PrdWolf]

Yups😂

[@azuhawl]

Can we just appreciate how happy Herman is like he's just smiling the whole time playing

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

Especially for a song that he's probably tired as hell of playing.

[@EricGreene]

I've seen them 3 times. He's pretty much enjoying himself always when playing. Especially for this song, even though it's played every show!

[@patata4799]

Yo ritsu what are you doing here

[@star_gazing]

Lets face it, if it weren't for the pandemic disaster we wouldn't have the chance to watch these Legends in a live stream. Also Tosin holding his guitar at nerdy highs

[@thetroll8655]

Easier to play up high. I used to play low. Then looking cool DIDNT matter to me as much as playing clean. Doesn’t work with everyone

[@ALEmix-zw2sc]

@@thetroll8655 same with me bro 😆

[@Lluchelukacs]

playing low is bad for the wrists, especially shredding stuff

[@evanho4538]

Love this thread. Been trying to get my one younger friend to hike his damn shit up because his wrists are gonna be toast in like 5 years if he doesn’t cut that shit out.

[@DomainObject]

Yup. There’s a silver lining in every situation. Thank goodness these Gods were brought together in this setting... and we were able to witness it.

[@mr.smirnoff4317]

The fact that herman linked his $300 hairbrush in the description is just amazing

[@SayHelloToTheRobots]

insane hairbrush!

[@Thedoza]

Don't forget the linked ferrari dog bed

[@eetfuk3571]

@@SayHelloToTheRobots missed the chance to say "Inhuman Airbrush"

[@daikiisano]

Not to mention the Ferrari bed

[@utbdoug]

Herman: "I'll do my solo" Tim: "I'll do Sam's solo" Tosin: "I'm just here to fuck shit up" 😂

[@marcaoliver2965]

Bruh tosin always looks like he’s dressed from a Final Fantasy game lol

[@kissthunderstrike4014]

His brother is a fashion designer - so Tosin always wears crazy outfits.

[@sampojuuti]

He should be featuring Misha's FF7 prelude bombfare medley!

[@swagathon6967]

It’s cus he is ( he’s not )

[@aminals8933]

Hes like a 2020 D&D bard level 9,000

[@TheSignatureK]

You talking about Alicia, the bass player, right?

[@CHLiu-qc1fx]

Herman Li has so many pedals for sound effects, including overdrive, distortion....and a “fan pedal” for his hair.

[@ImNotMikeWen]

LOL😂😂😂😂

[@BlenderMage]

It's the hairstortion pedal.

[@christianmedrano5977]

So the legend seems to be true. When ever herman li plays the guitar, his hair blows from the mystical winds of the gods of guitar.

[@YouAreAsleep]

The smiles while Herman is playing brings joy to my heart. It is amazing to watch someone enjoy their craft so much and share it with others. Thank you Herman Li!

[@tonygonzalez4619]

tosin is just there like: dunno whats going on but i love it

[@Jamer767]

"I dont know whats going on but I can play this and make it better"

[@mistercath]

@@Jamer767 fuckin-a right!

[@mikecast8643]

music brings all genres together if the vibe is there

[@eddie7780]

@@Jamer767 he struggled the entire time.

[@PupsMcDougal]

Tosin Abasi looks like a villain Gohan has to defeat in Dragon Ball Z and I love it.

[@blacknemesy]

May Tosin Abasi have mercy on us

[@CntBckt]

Favorite comment of the month!

[@PupsMcDougal]

@elchema Do you mind sharing your thoughts on why you believe it’s a racist comment?

[@CntBckt]

@elchema Nah...Gohan defeated PERFECT Cell- not 2nd from (aka Popo's cousin).

[@PupsMcDougal]

@elchema I still don’t understand your original comment. Can you please explain?

[@steeno861]

Marvel: Endgame is the most ambitious crossover ever Herman: Hold my guitar.

[@impossibledreamer3882]

But he needs it…

[@sonikkukarafuto3424]

hold my amplifier*

[@SteveAyanami]

heres your 666.

[@delkaplayz8465]

Legend says there wasnt even a fan in that room , thats just how Herman Li's hair goes when he's rocking

[@AFatalPapercut]

I love how there's a wind in the room just on Herman Li.

[@jacktrainor4236]

Herman's smile when he's shredding guitar is the most wholesome thing, and brings me hope

[@Ryan-ke3qd]

Yvette Young also has some really wholesome expressions when she plays. I love it when you can tell they REALLY enjoy playing.

[@lasagnasux4934]

Tosin does that thing where he throws his head back and you cant tell if he's really focusing or if its just his go to stage presence thing, but i really enjoy

[@DirtyPotter]

honorable mention for Tim's head bops?

[@yourmomgae-t6x]

Especially when his hair started flying that's when it gets real😂

[@thebbc3522]

Just like EVH

[@andakara27]

Tosin abasi: looks really uncomfortable playing in 4/4 Tim henson: feeling lost shredding in standard minor mode. Alicia: is my bass on ? Herman li:I AM GOD

[@anthonyfulton3218]

Accurate 😂

[@DannySlept]

Lmao !!!

[@alilstrangeinitt9508]

🤣

[@workwithwegs4541]

HAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHA

[@elkmeatenjoyer3409]

Dude I'd you can't hear the bass get better headphones.

[@wanton_chips3638]

I love that Tim and Herman are such different styles when they SHRED. One is super chill and the other is super theatric and both are hard to stop watching

[@bowlofnuggets]

yes! so good watching them shred, tim was super sick would love to see him in trivium or something lol

[@AndJusticeForEl]

can we talk about how thicc this bass sounds? man, this rules the mix. I wish my bass recordings sounded like that.

[@Clumrat]

Crank the mids, some lows for boom and highs for clarity, add some overdrive and there you go. If only it was that simple

[@SonicHakeem]

@@Clumrat what I read here is "turn the bass up"

[@ccelik97]

for such lead sections as they'll be busy in the higher mids to treble you'd move up to the lower mids and, at the times the guitar(s) are doing these lower rhythm stuff either moderately duplicate the keynotes or move aside, leave the room and come in from nothing or like maybe from upper registers. Not by any means to dictate anything like this obviously but to me this way it's sound more present in a mix like that :D by an eq pedal with an expression thingy might be desirable to do such stuff on the go.

[@AstroVero]

Only B-ASS is real

[@sondrestrmme4006]

Power of playing with new strings, it sounds almost straight to DI

[@yadi4649]

im convinced Herman's hair just Does That

[@sharongreely]

it doesn't

[@MaintainMundane]

@@sharongreely but it Does That

[@_caustics_]

hahahaha

[@feryfraychannel406]

Without his hair,he is paul gilbert

[@yourmomgae-t6x]

😂😂😂

[@gabrieldavenport652]

His fingers are going so fast that they generate wind which causes his hair to flow

[@chillpill2016]

Yeah

[@philmazzie3674]

He ends up soloing so hard that the kid drops down to sweep picking lol

[@ЭльвираВорона-ъ8ь]

The funniest comment

[@alderoth01]

That bass player is badass!! She is so solid all the way through.

[@DaEpicTable]

Nothing better than a tight bass player. And no I dont mean tight down *there*

[@winstonacousticstudio445]

@@DaEpicTable brrr

[@davidwilson6577]

The bass was way too loud, which tells you how solid she is because no-one is complaining about it lol. Looks slight enough to be toppled over by a squirrel's sneeze, but keeps perfect time with that thing slung around her knees. Must be made out of steel cable.

[@Durwood71]

And she's gorgeous.

[@viviolet7]

check out her own band, then! she plays for dragonforce but she fronts for vigil of war. awesome voice.

[@wulfenacht666]

Mom that weird Asian kid is having a concert in his house again

[@keegantoresdahl2025]

LOL love it

[@pennstateyo]

hahahahahaha

[@hetjamesfield4473]

@Soldagg Looks like a teenager.. literally. That is how a person look like when living a normal life with minimum stress. He will live 120 yrs for f sake...

[@bradynewman626]

thats fuckin racist dude

[@rubengarcia5547]

Broo shut up He's legendary one

[@NHG2133]

gon tell my kids that this was the holy trinity

[@geraldnepenth]

Bruhhhhhhh

[@djwizzle42]

Then you'd be lying, that would be RUSH!! lol

[@Joex51x]

not even close

[@xmisterblackhatx]

BRUH THAT AIN'T RIGHT

[@boots_33]

Shoutout to the bassist for being the only one serving the song.

[@twikie258]

This is why i love the rhythm section the most (drums/bass). Rhythm guitar is alright too

[@m0rfans]

Someone has to hold the sh*t together while the guitarists fly! :-)

[@TacoMonster4eva]

She’s so damn cute

[@mythiczerix1880]

Wherever herman goes, the wind goes with him

[@SweeterOnion]

Herman's neighbors sitting there like "why do i hear boss music?"

[@franciscogranados7225]

Sounds more like ending music after youve defeated the boss

[@justsomeguywholosthismusta8495]

Herman: *Speed/Power Metal shred fest* Tim Henson: *Nah we need more lo-fi's here* Tosin: *Confused level 8/3 time signature*

[@theeasterling3383]

Tosin- I just play around the scales

[@angryscorp2684]

wait why did you loose your Mustache dude ?

[@adamrose6969]

Bassist: *over there chillin*

[@jepsmcsmackin2507]

Bro I don’t understand why do am I interested in all the same things as some guy with/without a moustache

[@lindseyquinn1804]

Im sick of of these mustache people are u a bot sir?

[@danielmaiermusic]

Can´t believe Tosin is playing in 4/4. I mean I didn´t think this was physically possible man!

[@bbqseitan7106]

It’s like putting an elephant in a Jui Jutsu match Yeah he’s gonna win, but like, it’s just kinda awkward

[@Matt-389]

@@bbqseitan7106 damn thats actually a good analogy

[@daveataway1952]

I bet he just played a triolic 3/8 over it to make a polyrythm out of it and we just didn't hear it cause we're morons

[@danielmaiermusic]

@@daveataway1952 lol :D That´s the only explanation that makes sense actually - nice insight

[@CumonherMcGregor]

He just stands there playing like it’s not even difficult lol

[@harveydavidson1970]

You notice that only Herman's hair was blowing in the breeze? That's just ho legendary he has become.

[@sunnybonezlol]

The bass is mixed into the track very nicely. Its very clear.

[@elisabeth9149]

no one can hear the bass and that's a fact!!

[@looneyzombie]

Yups can clearly hear em

[@tnsmmu3269]

I can hear the bass clearly through my phone speaker.

[@antakanguyen869]

@@elisabeth9149 i feel bad people just cant get your joke hahahaha

[@freyafoxmusic]

Anyone know who she is

[@In_Conclusion]

Gotta love how Herman Li is getting all hyped up and Tim and Tosin are just there standing and playing

[@Shahed2112]

All the dislikes are from prog fans who hated the '4/4' in the title.

[@dcontraptionist]

LMFAO

[@SuperFake89]

Lol underrated comment!

[@dcontraptionist]

@@SuperFake89 yeah

[@kiwibaum.]

Or from those who think that the audio is hideous... 😅

[@peripherii3124]

@@kiwibaum. it's live on a stream tho. Never gonna get great quality like that

[@h3r3si43]

Let's be honest Abasi got a huge understanding of music theory, 6:27 It's like his solo improvisation is as good as the record studio without copycat it

[@sicklelkcis]

Fr the solo goes so hard

[@lonelydriver1421]

DragonForce and Friends. Sounds like a franchise

[@dcstar7772]

Sounds like something I would get up early to watch on Saturday Mornings.... “With our Forces Combined!”💪😎

[@shashwatlohia4795]

It's the vanilla version of KISS' fan club if you know what I mean

[@ryanbell7618]

No one: Herman doin the Outro: Tim In the back: Imma just shred quietly on my guitar

[@Juli-zg7sj]

Bruh I didn't even notice!

[@ryanbell7618]

@@Juli-zg7sj I think it’s a nervous habit he does idk 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@Juli-zg7sj]

@@ryanbell7618 Yeah it definitely is he's mentioned it before that his guitar is like his fidget cube but I just didn't notice he was doing it this time so thanks for pointing it out ig

[@lightningwithin9186]

Li is such a great showman, like you can tell they come from different eras totally..!!

[@shaunaddler4765]

The confidence this man has to just grab the whammy without the guitar at 1:00, i’d be deathly afraid to do that. Great stuff Herman

[@mightypopkorn]

Yeah bro, im even afraid just seeing herman doing that

[@metaldl]

It feels weird now to watch Herman playing this song live along ZP's vocals track.

[@honza5798]

And with shoes on!

[@ghostbaum]

@@honza5798 it's better than them re-recording the track so that ZP isn't on the payroll like other bands have done.

[@juanfernandofernandez2730]

Noob here, explanation pls?? I just discovered dragonforce... :c

[@skid544]

@@juanfernandofernandez2730 Zp Theart was the original singer, the singer you hear on Through the Fire and Flames. He left the band and was replaced by Marc. People always compare them even though they are so different. Marc is more typical Power Metal sounding, but ZP had some uniqueness and unreal stage presence. The main problem people highlight was ZP started to sound very ‘tired’ in the latter part of his time with Dragonforce.

[@Ion_thruster]

@@skid544 thanks

[@aneeshdake7611]

Ig through the fire and flames is so epic when you play it, your hair fanned back like those action movies

[@wilsonoberholzer2771]

That's just how his hair naturally reacts to that song

[@mehdi4743]

Shut up normie

[@luix3141]

There's a fan in front of them duh

[@aneeshdake7611]

I was joking

[@user-nu4tm8fi2p]

Wilson Oberholzer that’s true doesn’t matter where Herman Li is if he plays this song his hair automatically starts flowing like electricity is running through it

[@xTheNameisEthan]

i like to imagine the neighbor looking out his window at 9pm like goddammit this guy is at it again

[@UNKNWN96]

Can’t believe I’m just seeing this now, so many things colliding! -Through the fire and flames was one of the first songs that opened my eyes to hearing how crazy someone could shred - Polyphia was the first prog rock band I really vibed with when I started listening to the genre (shout out to Chon too) - Tosin is probably my favorite guitarist and AAL is one of my fave bands! So crazy to see these dudes all shredding on one screen!

[@richharris2864]

An Asian dude, a black dude, and a white dude all insanely shredding while a lady holds down the low end. If this isn’t the very definition of world peace, I don’t know what is.

[@FresGamerMan]

Tim is american chinese 😅

[@richharris2864]

@@FresGamerMan Even better, lol

[@Dan0dandan1]

69 likes, nice, thats world peace now

[@Luciaonlinee]

Tim's also asian I think

[@andrewhutchinson3074]

The white dude is also chinese. Lmao.

[@gregziel]

When a song is so badass that it gets you suspended from twitch

[@gregziel]

@FND I'm referring to twitch banning/suspending Herman Li on twitch because of DMCA and he was playing DragonForce. Matt Heafy from Trivium also got a DMCA for playing his own music on stream too. Honestly record labels need to do a better job at making more robust and smarter bots for music detection that don't DMCA artists for playing their own music as a lot of artists are streaming on Twitch and KZbin now since touring has grinded to a halt. All they are concerned about is making a quick buck and or shutting down people for playing their music when they don't. This is all too familiar to the situation gamers had as they dealt with Nintendo copystriking videos that had their content in it for years because of their backwards practices. Now sadly we are seeing it with the music industry in full swing on KZbin and Twitch as they have not caught up to current times and are still stuck in their backwards ways. *Edit* I get that it is their intellectual property that they have the copyright to and they can do what they want with it. They want to make money off their artists songs to survive especially with covid and nobody being able to tour and I get that but there should still be some way to use the music in a stream. I don't come to a stream to listen to a certain persons music but for the streamer and if I hear a song I like on the stream I download it on Apple Music (my streaming service of choice) and listen to it. I believe people should be able to play the music on their streams but there is no easy solution to the problem and probably no way to compromise with record labels. Just my opinion. Thank you for coming to my ted talk.

[@abraham2721]

was that the reason he got suspended? thats fucked up man... I thought it was Sam's fault somehow

[@gregziel]

@@abraham2721 Nah the DMCA was from him playing his own music on stream and now he streams on KZbin instead of twitch. Idk if he will go back twitch. That is only for Herman decide.

[@BambiTrout]

@@gregziel A lot of it is to do with how record labels changed the way they did business in the late 90s and early 2000s because of Napster and iTunes. Back in the day, record labels made most of the money from record sales, and the band made most of the money from tours with the label getting little, if any. When iTunes and Napster came along, record labels started making less money from record sales so they started locking artists into contracts where the record company took almost ALL of the money from both records and touring. This is why even insanely successful artists like TLC, NSYNC, Backstreet Boys and more were all virtually bankrupt despite selling millions. It's also why solo artists are more common than bands now, because the record companies don't have to pay as many people. After a bunch of high profile examples of bands quitting their labels and suing their managers, the record labels relented a bit, but when Spotify and streaming services became the norm, they started tightening the noose again. To the record labels and the music streaming services, the artists are simply a cog in the money machine that can easily be replaced. Copyright laws are not designed to protect the artists, but to protect the financial interests of the labels and publishing companies. Dragonforce being copyright claimed for playing their own music is not a glitch in the system. It is intentional so that the labels can control when and where their music is played. Twitch is not the one to blame for this, as historically they have been one of the more permissive platforms, but the record labels have not liked that, so they are suing the shit out of Twitch until Twitch bans all people using copyrighted content - hence the current situation. KZbin on the other hand has played by the rules of the record labels for the most part, so they are allowed a bit more leeway to manage the situation themselves.

[@gregziel]

@@BambiTrout Ah gotcha still wish there was a solution to be able to play music but I guess not. Only think I could think of would be something similar to watch parties that is a twitch extension where you can sync up music through your spotify/tida/apple music/etc... accounts to listen along with the streamers and essentially use your account to sync up with the streamer to the song they are listening to but who knows if that would ever happen. Just food for thought kinda idea to get the same result so the music never has to go on the twitch recording. But at this point it's whatever. it is what it is.

[@nightcoredream477]

Just wanna give props as a fellow bass player to Alicia for setting an amazing groove throughout the whole song :)

[@xoceingo]

Yes!! And I also feel bad she wasn't in the whole middle frame. But yeah, props to her! Without her there, the live music won't be balanced.

[@Soily9]

@@xoceingo She's not even in the title of the video :/

[@xoceingo]

@@Soily9 I know right? @DragonForce Herman Li, kindly include Alicia in the title of this video and I will like the video, I promise.

[@stopthehate1749]

I absolutely love how Herman Li brings it like he's performing on stage. Also the fact that he embraces so many killer players. LOVE THIS!

[@mongarcia9151]

Alicia the bassist did reaaaally well too! Kudos to her as well!

[@marosvarga9198]

No one: Literally no one: Tosin: *DUM DUM DUM*

[@fourpapa1]

??

[@carlchameleon9847]

@@fourpapa1 thump meme

[@marosvarga9198]

@@carlchameleon9847 Well I actually related to his random picks i.e. 5:25, 6:09, 6:20 :D

[@carlchameleon9847]

@@marosvarga9198 didnt even notice that at first lol. good catch

[@felipgl]

Tim looks uncomfortable He's like: "this is not my tone, why I'm using full humbucker sound, I can't use hybrid picking in this song"

[@joashbritto]

Lmao. Try to see if you can find his videos from when he was 15/16. Dude was a shredder if I've ever seen one.

[@syanesendow4195]

@@joashbritto yeah same like mateus asato Man many of those guitarist in now era Was a shredder when they were young I just can't believe that their style change that much

[@yourmomgae-t6x]

He's like wait,I thought we agreed on making this a emo or math tone ver.... 😂😂😂

[@joashbritto]

@@syanesendow4195 oh yeah. Dude played shred, then church music, and now...a whole new style of his own

[@darkstar3072]

He’s like “I haven’t played like this since Muse”

[@joeybusnardo5866]

The way Herman flawlessly flips his guitar every time amazes me

[@timvinck]

8:23 "You guys have been absolutely awesome man" "Thanks dad"

[@FauxRain]

8:18 Tosin instantly regretting saying that haha

[@sumsar0125]

Seemingly made Tim more uncomfortable than he already was hah. We've all experienced that situation though.

[@jdthebomb]

What's weird is that I didn't see anyone comment it in the live chat💀.

[@rjsikes9033]

Herman Li is still such a showman even when just playing in his house on stream. i love it, dragon force has been such a bit part of my life just shredding to this song. the passion thats burned through these rifts and others like it ill never forget. thank you Herman you fking legend.

[@smithjames058]

Young guitarists proving that rock ain't dead!!!! Brilliant performance guys!!!!

[@muzlee7479]

By playing a 20yo song

[@hkleider]

Lol it's so weird seeing Tim and Tosin play "normal" metal

[@rhetoricvl383]

facts lol

[@Vaedh]

polyphia isn't metal

[@jackh321]

@@Vaedh Not anymore at least, their early stuff had a lot of metal influences and sounds in it though. Fair bit of Djent, shred and sweep picking.

[@Vaedh]

@@jackh321 I might check that out

[@chlochlo742]

Seriously, they aren't metal at all. What the fuck happened to beer, bullet belts and long hair? At least Herman is cool as fuck

[@timosee]

herman dropping those picks with style!! and let's go alicia. dope to see her rocking the stage.

[@ryananderson586]

Ok, can we just give a little credit to the fucking guitar kickflip at the start? Herman is a beast.

[@oceanman6973]

Every so often I find this video again, and it encourages me to practice harder then I have before

[@andreamateo-x3j]

The bassist (Alicia) should have been included in the wide angle cam. Salute to you, Sir Herman for bringing together amazing talents together. - love from the Philippines 🇵🇭

[@marklechman2225]

I seriously hope they offer Alicia the job, and I hope she takes it. She kicks ass and seems to be a genuinely cool person.

[@TerminatorZXY]

She's cool as fuck, but I always wished Adrian would come back, he was the most madman bassist they had, the unmastered Inhuman Rampage's uncut and louder basslines are great.

[@kaii884]

Just because she is a girl trying to play bass, sure

[@tankiehatingsocialist678]

No. She plays with a pic.

[@Crazy-bq2ke]

@@kaii884 eeewww woman playing Musical instrument

[@kaii884]

@@Crazy-bq2ke well, if you have a problem with the fact that its a girl whos playing, thats on you

[@dj-ez-pz1564]

1:18 could watch that over and over again and be amazed each time

[@MegitsuneSwe]

That is such a clean bass tone, love it

[@whllper8258]

Tosin has so much power his guitar just float there

[@TheDavalope]

Go for it ALICIA! Vigil of War is AWESOME and Alicia is absolutely qualified and capable of playing bass for DragonForce! I was very impressed to see her make her hands do the fret the stretches in This song! WAY COOL! CANADA loves Alicia Vigil and DragonForce! Loved every minute of it Herman. Only downer is we missed Sam Gee and Coen! Keep the content going and DragonForce will never lose momentum or relevance!

[@kalidesu]

Tosin could play all the guitar and bass parts on his beast of a guitar.

[@KacperPpp]

Simultaneously

[@mikecast8643]

he will get banned for using his 3rd leg

[@tejwashidas2081]

@@mikecast8643 😂

[@wliaputs]

@@mikecast8643 but isn’t it painful though

[@mkmaudsley8381]

Say what you like about the guy.. he’s one of those dudes that’s just born to be a guitar shredder! And performer.

[@lolpatrlolpatr270]

They four are like: 😎 😋 😐 😉

[@maaaaaap]

tosin has no idea when to come in lol

[@maaaaaap]

@njl4515 totally

[@TrentonF505]

@njl4515 yeah you could tell they were a bit out their element. Regardless they did better than what 99.99% guitarists could have done.

[@Gio102897]

@@TrentonF505 yeah this isn't really their style of music(not that they can't obviously but they're style is a bit different)

[@ghgodsexposed]

Pretty sure Tim plays guitar hero, so he knows the song decently.

[@agentbrody7]

I didnt hear any promlems with the other guy. I had trouble telling tosins playing apart from the others before his solo part, which is when he seemed to miraculously pull himself together, and instantaniously just start slaughtering the song. Tldr: tosin probly had trouble hearing himself

[@Dedncide]

Imagine living next to Herman Li and hearing this every single day.

[@rickt9569]

"That weird guy next door thinks hes in a band and is always talking to himself like hes talking to an audience " -neighbor karen probably

[@xaphan8581]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone who shows more love for playing guitar then Herman. Lol every time I see him going off he has the biggest smile.

[@itsshelby]

It’s finally canon that the title is Through The Fire And THE Flames

[@handsomesquidward3772]

Canonforce

[@KarpyCarpe]

I’ll still always just call it TTFAF! 🤘🏼

[@Dystxnn]

I love how Herman plays with so much poise-- then stands like a 14-year old kid with excessive stage fright then goes back to being an absolute legend again

[@triestemonroe8786]

This grandmother never gets tired of hearing this song. Turn it up !

[@judowrestlerka]

40 years of playing means nothing to me now. Thanks guys.

[@azsuna7454]

tim and tosin looks like they dont know whats going on XD

[@mikecast8643]

herman is alpha when it comes to putting on a show/stream

[@thermal1711]

I love his trust in his whammy bar

[@Vaedh]

I love his trust in the stability in his neck glue

[@Dogbertandfriends]

Imagine you're the neighbor just sitting down for dinner and this is happening next door. 😂😂

[@PinotNoir_]

I'm not gonna complain for that 🤣

[@Lou_Mavs]

Having a rough week helping my dog recuperate from cancer surgery, and this brightened my day. Three of the best in the modern era just having fun. Thank you, lady and gents. 🙏

[@nodemon755]

Herman : Dad Alicia : Mom Tim : Son Tosin : Uncle

[@ballsin3d205]

tosin touched tim didnt he

[@lamblatte8139]

@@ballsin3d205 woah

[@UnrealGamer099]

accurate

[@吉良吉影-x4y]

Funny enough. Tim is part chinese

[@seanestimo9802]

5:56 Herman's hand literally teleported. Just focus

[@rouge5140]

Jesus he's fast

[@hodor6159]

Holy shit that's fast

[@Trishkaz]

Fast or edited? :0

[@rouge5140]

@@Trishkaz Fast, you can clearly see it move. If it was edited other things would "teleport"

[@djsercy5879]

@@Trishkaz how does one edit a move in a livestream?

[@derrickcorreia]

I can imagine how uncomfortable it must've been for Tosin to groove to 4/4

[@jayylmaossbm]

herman li is such a rockstar i love it

[@LucasBozovich]

You know this is a difficult song when Herman Li, the author doesn't do it exactly as it is every time. Still, he doesn't have to. He's able to improvise on it and still make it sound just as phenomenal, if not better.

[@beardalaxy]

When you play a song the same way for so long you have to start changing it up a bit to make things fresh again and to still have fun with it. I'll change up strum patterns or melodies in stuff I sing all the time.

[@doomslayerplushie6662]

I joined in on my keyboard from home completely butchered the song but had a blast

[@o00thunderhawk00o]

yeah i do that too when i watch live which is why i wish there was a lossless streaming service for twitch for these types of times cuz its sooooooo compressed sounds ass but still sounds good lol

[@SirGreyKnight]

this made me smile laugh if thats even a thing lol

[@RezidueWithaZ]

They butchered there own song too dont worry lol

[@landerhendrickx3522]

XD

[@aidan_bloodveil]

Tim looks so defeated and it’s funny and sad at the same time. Love that kid. Literally all of my guitar idols all together doing this is epic

[@evlmnky6669]

Friggin how many years later I’m still in awe from how effortless he makes it seem. Sir Herman Lee, we’re not worthy! We’re not worthy!!