Developing Japanese Black Pines

[@greenhawk1592]

japanese black pine the king of bonsai? No no , ...Peter Chan is the king of bonsai🤩 !!

[@koatsiebaznd7948]

He’s definitely not

[@billyckjelson]

Peter, you’re my favorite part of my Sunday! You’re a true inspiration. I love you’re authentic natural way of teaching. Keep sharing your art and passion with the world. We could do with a bit more positive and creative people like yourself creating content after such an unprecedented period of unrest. We must find ways to come together more than ever. Thanks from your US fans!

[@peterchan3100]

There must be a lot of US fans out there - Love you all !!

[@MrLCD35]

@@peterchan3100 you do have a lot of American fans. I myself have learned so much from your videos. Thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge!

[@grandmajp]

@@MrLCD35 Not just American fans but Canadian fans also.

[@digitaIgorilla]

Good morning fellow PCAS members, coffee is hot and Peter's on screen. 👍☕☕☕

[@delrules1907]

Another lovely calm Sunday morning video. Relaxed to the max. Love to watch Peter work on training. I think I pick up more tips and tricks every time I see him do it. I think the office videos are even more relaxing than usual with the white noise fan running in the background!!! Thanks for another great video, Peter.

[@Pawpawlogan]

Can’t wait to watch this when it’s not 3 am.

[@paullill5604]

Sunday breakfast time

[@albertstauber2979]

I want to ask something because pots i dont have any knowledge of bonsai plants..my question is can stay outside pottery bonsai plants even winter months or need to move and place inside with the roof

[@peterchan3100]

They can stay outside- ours can stand minus 8 C and they are OK

[@henrychan1]

Hi Peter, Do you have any field grown Japanese black pines? I’m thinking of putting mine in the ground to accelerate the growth.

[@peterchan3100]

Yes we grow ours in our field.

[@harrietb2141]

It,s always interesting watching your work. Never boring.

[@BrendonVS80]

Hi there Peter, How would one go about developing a clump style Japanese black pine from 4 year old trees? Great video Regards from South Africa

[@peterchan3100]

Just bunch them together and grow them in a pot

[@BrendonVS80]

@@peterchan3100 thank you Peter 😀

[@melodystill2531]

Mr Peter I found your channel July 3rd and I've been watching it ever since I'm. I've always been fascinated since I was teenager about bonsai but I always fail because it was Japanese I was trying now that I understand it more watching you I'm so excited to get back into it and try it again and I'm 62 years old chronic pain. I was outside looking for little trees and for a while I forgot about my pain thank you so much from south Louisiana .

[@peterchan3100]

Never never too late to learn new things. I learnt to swim at 55 and to dance at 68 and now very good at both.

[@joshhhuagarcia1890]

Good morning Peter. I have achieved rear budding in my black pine, which is practically the same as the ones you are wiring, I have got two candles half the length of the first branch perfectly arranged on each side, but together with the original branch there would be three. My question is if you would take the opportunity to branch that branch from further back by cutting the main one and forming the branch from those two new shoots or would you remove one of them and continue working with the main branch and the new shoot?

[@peterchan3100]

You can cut both the shoots

[@joshhhuagarcia1890]

@@peterchan3100 Ok. Thank you, Peter.

[@malkiha]

Washington State, USA here: I started a Ponderosa Pine seedling. Currently just under a foot tall. This gave me so many ideas. I don't know if the species of pine I have is conducive of a good bonsai, but I will use this, and your other videos to help me along! Any videos of species of specific area like the Pacific Northwest would be awesome! Thank you for all you do!

[@steveanacorteswa3979]

I am here in Anacortes Washington so similar, what part are you in? Here I am on the coast so probably similar conditions to where JBP grow, I have a few hundred I grew from seed/cuttings and the oldest is just over a year so at the point to begin wiring as the new growth hardens off. What area you are in makes a big difference on how you handle the trees.

[@malkiha]

@@steveanacorteswa3979 Maple Valley

[@steveanacorteswa3979]

@@malkiha SO you are not too high or Eastern where it gets hot and snow. I have having bug problems with my Firs but no problems with pines yet, you should be able to wire it soon if it's that tall, just don't want to wire while it's still hardening off, the candles and branches can be brittle, don't ask how I know :)

[@MF-fc5vk]

Do you pluck needles on a white pine??

[@peterchan3100]

You need to keep some needles or the tree will get weak

[@cherylandrews3195]

thank you for the video :) Do you cut the candles on very young JBP too? or just when they get older? Does using cinnamon kill the mycelium?

[@peterchan3100]

Why would you want to use cinnamon?

[@arjonsantos5669]

3 pm in the Philippines just watching and drinking some coffee 💝

[@jyothilavigne2263]

I love these tutorials as I am getting so much better at identifying which branches you are going to cut. That last pine, though was a surprise, as I didn’t see how you were going to create a new leader, as you inadvertently cut the leader sometime ago. I guess I didn’t see that branch which you trained as the new leader, and now the tree is looking very plausible. Thank you Peter, for having taught me so much! My big sorrow is the inability to purchase your trees. We live in a bonsai wilderness, as there is nowhere to get any reliable pre bonsai trees or pots. I’m soldiering on however. I need more instruction as to how to over winter our trees, as it drops to - 25 on a regular basis and there is no place in my garden for a greenhouse or poly tunnel. More research is required! Thanks once again in keeping my hopes alive that one day I might be able to produce a reasonable bonsai!

[@Divinemessages69]

Hi Peter, I have been learning lots from your videos but I would ask a question if I can, I bought 36 black pine saplings a year ago, they have grown a couple of inches and are now about 8 inches tall with only the main stem, about when should I attempt to 1: prune the tip to get some new buds to form and 2: should I think about shaping the main stem with wire? Any advice would be greatly appreciated thank you!

[@entvisual]

*Peter wonderful* informative video, I wish you showed some Japanese black pine with Grafted Root Stock! Thanks 😊🙏🌲

[@Blaydrnnnr]

Wow.. Talk about perfect timing. I have just been looking at MAYBE buying a Black Pine from a fairly reputable nursery here in the states. EXPENSIVE, but yet, I agree on your theory of time and cost. This will be my very first pine in my collection, and as usual, the learning curve is high. It is mid July here, so I'm hoping it will survive the trip and I need to know what to be ready for in care as the summer trolls on and fall approaches. Thanks Sir Peter!!!

[@Blaydrnnnr]

Thanks for the replies. I wasnt actually suggesting cutting all the foliage off the tree to inspire budding, I meant on the one branch you want to try to inspire back budding. After watching, the answer was obvious, just tipping the branch. Thank you all again. I dont own a pine yet, but have been considering a Black pine and not having delt with them before, all info is good info right now. Thanks again all.

[@Negritx]

Great video as usual Peter, do the Black Pine grow well by cuttings?

[@peterchan3100]

they dont

[@Negritx]

@@peterchan3100 thanks!!

[@almac2598]

My first bonsai is a Black Pine from seed, now just over 30 yrs old. It has suffered badly from Vine weevil for a couple of years (even after treatment for the little sods) so it is not looking very attractive at present, but is beginning to make a comeback this year. Thanks for the info Peter, most welcome.

[@planterbanter]

The master!

[@sebalep]

First look into the video: Peter's getting cheeky hiding ;)

[@KzEProduction]

Hello Peter! Would be cool if you can make a video in your native language ! With subtitles of course ... I wana hear thank you :)

[@peterchan3100]

English is my first language - I can barely speak Cantonese and just remember a bit of Hindi and Bengali from my young days in India.

[@gustavfn1]

If it’s difficult, just get more cameras

[@voodooskratch]

🌴loving the BOTTLE BRUSH STYLE BONSAI! 🙂👍

[@MidniteSan]

So many trees to practice and experiment on 😘🌲whoohoo. Thx for sharing Peter, hope to see those healthy and strong trees again someday. Cheers 🙏.

[@steveanacorteswa3979]

Another great video Peter, when do you first wire the JBP? mine are just reaching their second summer so thinking to wire them up in the fall, some I did already but I sold all the rest so still 100 that are in the 6 mo old category and will look at wiring next summer. I really like the trees from cuttings, the branches start at the soil level and it's exciting to see the roots when I go from the 4" pot to the 1 Gal, the older ones are in #3 air pots now. Thanks for all the great videos, always learn something new.

[@peterchan3100]

Dont wire them till the trunks are at least pencil thick.

[@steveanacorteswa3979]

@@peterchan3100 Thanks Peter, still want to do Bristle Cone Pines one day, covid ruined it for us

[@peterchan3100]

@@steveanacorteswa3979 - I would love to do it one day. On my bucket list.

[@rsa420]

Another great way to start a Sunday. Im getting more into pines, dont really have access too many pine varieties where I live. Im worried as we have a invasive pest (shot hole borer beetle) creating havoc on the trees and they getting into the bonsai

[@dbe2705]

🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹 thanks Peter

[@TheBonsaiGarden]

8am in the UK. Just enjoying breakfast as Peter is hiding in the bushes 😄

[@peterchan3100]

I am up early for a change as I am leaving for London to work on a customer's bonsai collection, while my colleague trims his 80 ft high Silver Birch trees. Busy day ahead. I am the first today !!

[@TheBonsaiGarden]

@@peterchan3100 glad I’m not the one trimming the 80ft tree 😄

[@brucedeacon28]

👌🍎😎

[@LessTalkMoreDelicious]

Love this developmental episode! Please do one on San Jose too! 🙏

[@frenchfries2148]

Good morning Peter, from the west coast of the United States. If you could please just say the date that you film your videos on, would be a huge help. Huge respect

[@peterchan3100]

I try to my friend.

[@ricot1797]

Unfortunately does not grow in tropical climates. I have been experimenting with peepal trees… any suggestions master Peter chan

[@peterchan3100]

Pipal is good but there are also many small leaf Ficuses that you can use. Bougainvillea is also good.

[@natrjack965]

Love your work Peter ☺️

[@mohammadyassin5398]

I had a question about the pots these pines are in. I have a pot similar to them where the drainage holes are in the legs. Do i need to apply mesh to it still? I feel it’s a rather awkward opening and would be difficult to properly place it. Thank you from your fan in the US, your videos have gotten me into bonsai and I always enjoy the content you post.

[@peterchan3100]

We don't have to use mesh for these plastic training pots as there are plenty of small drainage holes.

[@angie3504]

Peter you never take too much of my time. It’s a privilege to watch you transform and refine bonsai.

[@kurtkampmeier]

Nice, just wondering if you can air layer JBP's at all?

[@peterchan3100]

I have never been successful - I dont think they would air layer. The only pine that air layers is "ZUISHO" Pine as far as I know.

[@rikdah]

Yes, you definitely can. I've had success with JBP and Mugo pine. It can take up to two years in some cases. Search 'air layer Japanese black pine' in youtube or google, to see successful results.

[@peterchan3100]

@@rikdah I will now try Black pine and see if it works

[@masboedart3472]

blackpine in Indonesia is expensive

[@jamiehls]

Would love to see more videos about developing bonsai at a more advanced level. Both of material that has already been worked with for a couple seasons, and more intermediate and advanced techniques. Either way, thank you for all the wonderful content you’ve already shared with the world

[@kryz9875]

Thank you Mr. Peter for all your informative videos. I tried wiring with available galvanized iron steel wire then switched to the bonsai wire, what a difference! Wiring is actually meditative.

[@marioo007]

Another amazing project. You are amazing inspiration for all of your fans. I visited the shop yesterday and could not believe my eyes how amazing place it is. Highly recommended for all bonsai lovers. Live forever 👍👍👍💪💪.

[@peterchan3100]

Glad you enjoyed your visit here - I think I did come and greet you.

[@marioo007]

@@peterchan3100 unfortunately it wasn't me this time. Definitely will be back so maybe next time will have more luck. Time to start my bonsai adventure 😃. All the best!!!

[@MostlyIC]

Peter, you said "black pines bud from the old stem", it seems that there are other plants that are the opposite, they only bud from young stems (this seems to be the case with an Australian Tee tree I have in my garden), and I'd think you have to plan more carefully in advance to work such a tree into bonsai, what are your thoughts ?

[@jamaxk1373]

Pines are definitely not my favorite, but japanese white pines are different for some reason. I love them and any other conifer pretty much haha

[@thomasroeder1]

I love your videos Peter! I'm wondering: when you have those long needles, if you trimmed them very short, would the next 'crop' come up shorter or just be a similar length? Perhaps this doesn't apply to evergreens...

[@chrishallewell8607]

Trimming needles wouldn't effect the next set of growth unless you removed so much photosynthetic mass that you weakened the tree to the extent that it didn't have the energy to produce longer needles. You reduce needle size on a pine the same way as you reduce leaf size on a deciduous tree, by increasing ramification and constricting the root growth (combined with decandling in a multiflush pine). However this is a process for when you're looking to refine your tree. If youre in the development stage (looking for trunk thickness, priamary branch development, back budding, root regeneration and wound healing) you dont remove any needles at all.

[@thomasroeder1]

@@chrishallewell8607 Thanks! This is a great answer

[@bonsaiuniklangkaantasena]

absolutly cool. this dificult for looking pine plant.

[@yahyak9f456]

There'is only Pinus merkusii (Sumatran pine) species in my country, does it have similar character to this species?

[@peterchan3100]

I dont know that one.

[@yahyak9f456]

@@peterchan3100 TQ Sir, as I try to plant it, it is hard to bud n tend to grow up right n straight

[@veegee49]

Simply fantastic now I know what has to be done Peter do u sell the pots I've been looking for some?

[@gregoryhouse7373]

For a Russian ear it's very confusing hearing "pine - a king", "maple - a queen" since in russian pine is female and maple is male

[@makewithmegma]

💕😍👌👍

[@thematrixcentre]

Why is there wiring in an exhibition bonsai tree. Will it be better if there is no wiring during a show, just a thought.

[@marksandersdips.s.o.h.hypn7696]

Beautiful trees Peter 🙏🏻

[@rohanallen7798]

Based on the date of this video this work occurred in summer?

[@LizMcNamara47]

Waste not, want not 😊

[@Blaydrnnnr]

So back budding is inspired buy cutting back the tips? Or by cutting the branch hard back behind the foliage? ( basically taking the foliage off completely)

[@brianjanku4549]

You must leave some needles on the branches you cut, or they will die.

[@peterchan3100]

Brian has answered your question.

[@chrishallewell8607]

IMHO the best route to achieve back budding is leaving as many needles on the tree as possible. This will lead to maximum sugar and starch production and maximum vascular tissue production which is what ultimately gives you back budding. You can achieve this through plucking needles, but this is a stress response by the tree, weakening it with no guarantees that it will have enough energy for those buds to develop into needle mass

[@joshhhuagarcia1890]

It is also important that a lot of light reaches the branch where you want to sprout.

[@chrishallewell8607]

@@joshhhuagarcia1890 absolutely! Creating sustainable design from the strat is imperative

[@LizMcNamara47]

How can you tell the difference between white and black pine?

[@jackgawthorne3957]

White pines have a white midrib giving the needles a whitish appearance. They are also 5 needle pines, where as black pines are 2 needle, meaning the needles clump in groups of those numbers.

[@LizMcNamara47]

@@jackgawthorne3957 thank you, 🤔think I’ve mislabelled a few then!

[@jyotirmoydey3501]

He bends like Beckham and leads like Peter may

[@BonsaiBear27]

Do the black pine needles shorten over time or do they stay long?

[@maximinix]

With the right technique Japanese Black Pine (JBP, pinus thunbergii) needles can become short: Begin to mid-June cut every candle on the tree, leaving about 1mm of green. 3-4 weeks later you will get 3-5 small candles at the base of every cut. You can then do candle selection if you wish, keeping the 2 most interesting (growing in the right direction, giving the best esthetic, etc). The trick works because JBP is a multi-flush pine. Most other pines are single flush, meaning they produce one flush of candles per year. The second flush of candles on the JBP now only has summer and fall to grow: too short to produce long needles. Warning 1: Apply the technique only on a very healthy JBP. Warning 2: Apply the technique only on Japanese Black Pine (pinus thunbergii), not on the European Black Pine (pinus nigra, austrian pine). Pinus nigra is a single flush pine: the technique can kill the tree.

[@peterchan3100]

As with all bonsai - if the plant is kept pot bound the foliage or needles do get a bit smaller in size.

[@chrishallewell8607]

@@maximinix also don't do the candle selection (post decandling) until the late autumn (if you can greenhouse it or protect it from frost) or early spring

[@Tony-InLosAngeles]

🌲

[@dracokaiser]

Bravo!!!! Sometimes you need to just break the rules and do what looks natural

[@HMK.]

poggers

[@thomasroeder1]

Australian?

[@baffinisland6227]

Thank you, Peter

[@parisdrake8572]

Who is the ONE guy that disapproves of this video?

[@octoberblaze8554]

Commercial nurseries and there are nine of them as of the time of this post

[@peterchan3100]

Sadly there are a lot of jealous people who do this

[@hfestion.]

Excellent!!

[@enricog3045]

Thank you Peter

[@netcodedev]

I could watch you working on pines all day long

[@HP-fn4bo]

Bob Ross of bonsai!

[@Mountains2Kill]

What, may I ask is your preferred bonsai soil mix for the black pine? I just received my black pine seeds today!! I’m so excited’b