HeroQuest 2021 Avalon Hill version comparison with original 1989 Milton Bradley version

This is Part 2 of my HeroQuest unboxing. In this video I do a side-by-side comparison between the new 2021 version of HeroQuest and the original 1989 version.
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[@boardwithpaint]

Hey folks, I'll be starting a painting tutorial series for this soon (probably geared towards beginners). Who should I paint first?

[@willmendoza8498]

Heroes first. Then maybe the abomination

[@b.freeee]

Recommend some deals for paints if possible, great video!

[@huwtindall7096]

Speed paint the various monsters as there are more of them. People are happy to spend time on the heroes but will want fast tips for the monsters who we will slaughter!!

[@napukapu]

Monsters, speed painting particularly. Plenty of information on how to do heroes already.

[@CoreyHavokYT]

I'd say go goblin, then orc, then skeletons (should be fairly easy) since those are the most used enemies early on.

[@iansmith8783]

30 years ago, almost to the day, my mom presented me with HeroQuest for my ninth birthday. happy memory.

[@vikingcargorgn]

Good times man…. I had 9 years old too…. This game is a Holy artifact to me…. Very good memories! I created a lot quests!

[@JakeSweeper]

When I got a copy back in the day, (which I no longer have, unfortunately), I pulled 4 copies of the fillable sheet and went over to the library and spent $1 in nickels to make photocopies as I didn't want to run out of the originals; it's what you did before the common use of pdfs and cost-effective printers. :)

[@primalconvoy]

That's what we all did, except I used pence...

[@barrywade3774]

I still have yet to find a cost effective printer.

[@JakeSweeper]

@@barrywade3774 interestingly enough, laserjets are cheaper to operate than inkjets as toner cartridges can usually get 3 times the pages or more than ink cartridges and toner doesn't evaporate like ink does; a fairly common problem when I was living in AZ. :)

[@Duncan275]

I do not believe the fully modeled plastic furniture are strictly an improvement. They are an improvement for the hobbyist who will paint them. To everyone else. The old versions being a mix of plastic and fully colored cardboard, offer a much more dynamic and beautiful piece, nearly right out of the box

[@boardwithpaint]

I don't disagree with you there. As a painter I'm obviously biased in that way. But realistically, this game has a lot of pieces to paint in it, and the furniture is probably going to be last for most people. So it could be a long time before you are playing with fully colored pieces.

[@robbabcock_]

Sweet! I'm glad to see it re-released. I still have my original HeroQuest and two of the Battle Masters boxed sets. They were amazing values back in the day. ⚔️🏹

[@ZealSeraph]

I'm so glad to see HeroQuest is back. It's been my favorite board game ever since I was a kid. I have to admit that I miss some of the more simplistic character designs from the original, and it's also sad to see the Fimir getting replaced (though Abomination seems pretty cool in its own right), but overall this looks really good.

[@boardwithpaint]

I miss the Fimir, too. I haven't painted the Abominations yet, though, so maybe they'll grow on me!

[@TheHouseCommunity]

Hero Quest is the best game ever made and anyone who says otherwise is wrong

[@_ClericalError_]

With the exception of the monster cards definitely much preferred the older artwork, more Frazetta, less World of Warcraft. The monster card artwork I think is probably the way it is in the original in order to be able to easily recognize the game models from the cards.

[@xenofett7008]

I'm glad Heroquest is back but I still prefer the original miniatures from 1990. They were made with better plastic. On the other hand I think the door and furniture in the new version are an improvement.

[@nickvandam1214]

This is my feeling. If the new version becomes affordable I might get it, but no reason to get it if it is priced near the same as the original.

[@boardwithpaint]

The plastic from the originals is harder, but more brittle. I've got several broken ones in that box (granted I haven't taken very good care of it over the years). The 2021 minis are a little bit flexible, but still much harder than most minis from modern board games (like from CMON or FFG), so I think the extra durability is a big improvement.

[@boardwithpaint]

@NICK Van DAM If you've got a complete original version, then I don't really see much need to buy the new one, unless you really like the new art and minis. It's effectively the same game. The Mythic Tier content might be worth it, but I'm not sure if that will even be available at retail.

[@nickvandam1214]

@@boardwithpaint the art and miniature design is not an improvement for me. It does look more like the lotr movies, like so many other games. I prefer the old more minimalistic look of the original.

[@pewpewplunkett87]

I could've seen me buying it for the doors and furnite or at least wait until someone puts them on ebay. That they made the treasure chests so bland and didn't go the extra mile to make two seperate bookshelves is a huge turn-off though.

[@timothymcdevitt4981]

As a kid, picked up this game when I was staying two weeks with my cousins. We had a blast, we painted all the pieces together and then we played the hell out of it. Looking forward to doing the same with my sons with the new edition.

[@Selzor]

Where is the brode sode

[@blackbot7113]

Yeah...that's really the best thing about HeroQuest...

[@boardwithpaint]

I *wish* I had the energy level (and accent) of @BardicBroadcasts.

[@Selzor]

@@boardwithpaint don’t we all

[@melissarenladyoflight1599]

The new one looks good and amazing and they added the dragon.. I think the new one will give people the chance to relive the old hero quest that we know and love.. And also get people back into board gaming. So I think the new one will probably do all right.

[@UncannySense]

I prefer the oldschool simple minimal aesthetic. The new style is a bit too busy for me. That's to say I wont be trading my old box for a new box, but I understand why people like the newer version and happy its possible for new players to get a chance to own a box.

[@takkik282]

I agree. I'm tired of the modern 'cheap' high fantasy style. The original miniature & art style is similar to ad&d 1 & 2. More grounded, realistic. The characters don't wear cosplay costumes, it feel more 'historical' medieval europe.

[@Ribby00]

EXTREMELY thorough!

[@boardwithpaint]

Thank you!

[@CoreyHavokYT]

Fantastic video my guy. We(Wife and I) have spent about $100 on miniatures since getting HeroQuest so we can make additional quests and heros.

[@BillyGo]

Thanks for doing this. Awesome stuff.

[@glennt69lol]

It's hard to improve on perfection, The nostalgia is so strong on this video

[@Alloniya]

Original looks better in many aspects. Starting from the box

[@Vulpine407]

What I like about the new version is how they have been continuing to support it with new releases. The latest one being "Rise of the Dread Moon." It's pretty awesome in that it has overlays that allow you to convert the board to streets and courtyards with small buildings. I also like the "story" campaign in it. I've also been happy for the new heroes that have been introduced in the boxed supplements including the Rogue and the Knight as well as alternate versions of some of the heroes. So far, I'd have to say that "The Frozen Horror" supplement is still my favorite. Barely beating out "Rise of the Dread Moon." I'm also happy that there's still a robust online community that provides all sorts of support for the game such as new quests, new overlays, and new heroes, villains and monsters. Also better, more useful, versions of the character sheets.

[@boardwithpaint]

Totally agree - the community is great, and kudas to Avalon Hill for bringing the game back and continuing to produce new content for it.

[@blackcorp0001]

Memories flooding back ty

[@blackcorp0001]

Definitely a fan of the original, but the new version looks awesome 👌

[@Dthamilaye]

The fully sculpted plastic doors and furniture are more durable and have good details, but if you are not going to paint anything (as most normal people probably wouldn't), the old plastic/cardboard furniture looks way better out-of-the-box. Edit: Oh, and I really like the original miniatures WAY more. The 40k styles, especially with orcs, is much cooler than the generic "brute orc". The old skeleton is much more "clear" in what it represents. The new one is again generic "new" skeleton. Maybe more real, but much more "messy".

[@bingobongo1615]

I agree. I also think the cards and other stuff look better in the new version (except the Elf... wtf?) but the miniatures are really hit and miss. Stylewise the old ones have a special place in my heart but even aside that, the new ones are partially quite generic and some are just really bad sculpts like the Skeleton

[@handznet]

I disagree - even unpainted they look good and most importantly they are way more durable

[@PaulRoneClarke]

Prefer the Barbarian at on the original. His eyes. There is that hint of manic/panic. He's going to do his job - but he needed to get psyched up first. His swing of the blade is something he does from necessity rather than vocation. The new box - the eyes have that cold, cynical killer look. He's a professional killer - doing what he does, and it comes naturally to him. I get that some people might prefer that. But I like the extra bit of humanity and feeling in the original. It told a story. Just through the eyes and expression of the Barbarian. To me at least anyway.

[@boardwithpaint]

I really only looked at the artwork in broad strokes - oh they've got the same pose - oh the monsters are in the same place. But now that I look more closely, I totally see what you mean! In the new one, the barbarian clearly thinks he's an invincible killing machine. In the original, he "hopes" he's an invincible killing machine.

[@PaulRoneClarke]

@@boardwithpaint That sums it up really well. I like that vulnerability. I mean if you play the game - you often lose.

[@woodbut1]

Love this game....so many great memories...Still have my original version of the game with my poor but passable 1st steps to painting and like yours my colours are a little faded now......I remember setting it up way back then on that 1st day I brought it home..so exciting....1st I painted was the hero's.....Then I did the ork's as a batch then goblins...then undead....Thanks' for the memory..... :O)

[@boardwithpaint]

You're welcome! I *wish* those old minis looked that way because of paint fading...but, no, I really was that bad at color choice. It's also possible I just didn't have a flesh color and was too afraid to mix.

[@Nananea]

I'm in love with this new set! I'm definitely feeling the urge to paint it. I think the only thing I don't like are the dice; they don't seem to roll very well.

[@mendicant1981]

The cover art on the old one is a million times better

[@skinnyandshort7108]

Minus the fact the elf looks like he is doing nothing...just standing behind the dwarf doing nothing.

[@tj71520]

heroquest is STILL my favorite boardgame

[@socat9311]

don't like the cartoonish style of the new artwork. nothing around nostalgia, just think the realistic depiction of the original makes it more real, more intense.

[@Kordanor]

Yep, agree. I think there is also somewhat of an asian influence in the new art and it looks cleaner, not hand drawn, not as gritty. Like art from some mobile game.

[@boardwithpaint]

I believe Gary Chalk did the art for the original, and I was a big fan of the old Lone Wolf series, which definitely ups the nostalgia factor for that version. I don't mind the new art, but it is somewhat generic.

[@stefanozagni]

The style of to the old ones mins is unreachable... they was suitable for an easy painting made by a little child. They was, as all the whole game, perfect! I'll buy the new one I think... But I'll always love the old one!

[@jeremyboughtono2]

I have been playing my fully painted 1989 version with the new App and its great fun.

[@boardwithpaint]

It's great that they kept it all compatible!

[@harag9]

Excellent comparison, many thanks for doing that. Really like the quality on the new version loads of great artwork there and the miniatures', though I agree with a lot of the differences you didn't like and prefer the original. Looking forward to see the painted versions you do, especially the book case :)

[@boardwithpaint]

You're welcome! The bookcase is kind of intimidating to paint. I don't expect to get to the furniture for a while, but I am working on the Barbarians, so be on the lookout for that tutorial - hopefully later this week.

[@innova1335]

i am so freaking happy they finally released this game again

[@boardwithpaint]

Me too!

[@Charles-jj2su]

I love the new models, especially the orcs! I think I have a soft spot for those old chaos warriors though, drips with atmosphere.

[@boardwithpaint]

I wasn't crazy about the new models till I started painting them.

[@TheRememdium]

I got this game for christmas 30 years ago, and it always bugged me that after serving the military and finding my own place to live, this game was lost. Been waiting for the day it would re-surface. Because it is a very well made game. Happy to see all the furniture now is through and through plastic. I totally agree that the zombies from the original with the cleaver looked way better than the new. But overall, I think they did an amazing job. The worst part is the chaos warriors, those were my favorites with the little sphere on top, but the new dread warriors looks very good, so I'll live with it. I played this with my brothers so many times. I think we used up all of the character sheets. I have put in an order for it and for two of the expansions as well, waiting for it like a kid on christmas eve! :) Oh, and can't wait to paint it all. Gonna subscribe to you after I finish writing this and check out some of your other videos on painting. Cheers from Norway!

[@boardwithpaint]

Many thanks!

[@Drhumbolt]

Man this brings back memories

[@ericepperson8409]

My brother and I spent many hours playing this with friends. Wish I still had that game. Of course I still wish I had all my old Transformers, GI Joe, He-Man, and Star Wars figures too. Ah nostalgia of growing up in the 80's (and 90's).

[@gallinadeyeso9638]

now i want to see a repaint of the old heroquest with your actual skills

[@boardwithpaint]

Thanks! Maybe I'll try that eventually, but I've got a pretty large backlog.

[@tommymarshall6500]

I just paid £100 for heroquest and I love it. The nostalgia is like a drug I can't get enough.i played it in 1991 the sad thing is I don't have friends that play but I can use the companion app..love it thanks for doing this

[@boardwithpaint]

You're welcome! Thanks for watching!

[@barrywade3774]

I just got the retail (base) version. Then went looking for reviews and comparisons only to discover all the extra bonus versions that were available to folks who backed the project to get this remade. Wish I had know and had the chance to get in on some of those!

[@boardwithpaint]

It's unfortunate for those who're interested in the extras. Hopefully it will all eventually be available at retail.

[@thedancehackersguidetoarge4301]

Cool thing is they kept the same sizes with the remake, basically making the components compatible with the old version or Advanced Heroquest (no scale creep here). The app also reuses the same quests so if you gave the old extensions you can use them with the new game and vice versa.

[@boardwithpaint]

Yes, you could totally reuse the old stuff. The new board is a tiny bit larger, but not so large that the old stuff won't fit.

[@HansWurst-dk6pp]

Nice video! It's funny to see that everybody seems to have a totally tattered box for the old version. Way worse than other old games that I own. Also, back then they really had no concept on how to package all the pieces in an organized way. Although the trays in the new version (showed in your first video) look a little bit flimsy, it's still a huge improvement.

[@boardwithpaint]

I think the original boxes have seen "lots of love" :) And yes, the trays on the 2021 version are pretty thin plastic, but they work. My only gripe is that some of the miniatures are in there really tight. I'm worried about them breaking when taking them out, or even rubbing paint off once they're painted.

[@TheHalflingRogue]

Hello Board with Paint! Quick question. Do you know the exact footprint dimension for the new game board? I want to make sure it will fit inside my game table play area. Thank you in advance for any help!

[@boardwithpaint]

Just measured it. It's 20 1/4 inches x 30 1/4 inches (51.44cm x 76.84cm).

[@TheHalflingRogue]

@@boardwithpaint thanks so much!

[@HeroQuestFans]

I'm most familiar with the 1990 edition in north america. I know there was the 1989 premiere release in the UK (the "age 9 to adult" on the front instead of "age 10 to adult" is something I look for, as well as the term "game system" that appeared in our release). I had to familiarize myself with the EU ('89 and then second edition '90) rules thanks to sites like yeoldeinn nearly two decades ago. interesting stuff but it appears they used the US version as a base but did certainly incorporate some things ported over from the EU edition with some odd changes (like not restricting the hand axe from the Wizard, making the Holy Water into a purchasable piece of equipment, etc).

[@ptjogara]

I used to use the doors from Advanced Heroquest for regular Heorquest - they were awesome.

[@boardwithpaint]

Unfortunately, I never got around to picking up Advanced Heroquest (not even sure if it was available in the States). Did they actually open and close or something?

[@ptjogara]

@@boardwithpaint oh, they totally did. Was a plastic brown mould with two parts! really awesome. But original Heroquest generally had the better furniture, to be fair.

[@jeffreyrichey6039]

I have both. It is hard to admit that most of the new stuff is better. Some of the old furniture, the book case and treasure chest are better in the old version. I think it helps that they stuck to the spirit and look of the old version as much as possible. I never looked at my original box and thought that any of it was outdated until I unboxed my new version.

[@boardwithpaint]

I also like that they kept the same general look for the furniture. That bookcase is going to be a pain, to paint, though.

[@huwtindall7096]

I remember the old version and even with rose tinted glasses I reckon they've smashed the new version out of the park. Right balance of nostalgia and improvements. Sure the minis are PVC so not as detailed as the latest GW minis but they are first and foremost playing pieces so need to be hard wearing. I've painted enough of the new set to know they are more than good enough for tabletop gaming and the poses are definitely better than the original version. All in all I'm happy with my mythic tier purchase.

[@boardwithpaint]

I give them props for not really making any changes to the core gameplay. This might upset some people who are expecting a bit more modernization, but for me I think keeping it the same really reinforces that you're playing hero quest and not just some other fantasy game.

[@Solamnic31]

Im glad they remade this classic game, but the original of 1989 is not surpassed by the newer version. I still have and play the 1989 version with 4 of the boxed sets that came as additions to the original game (Kellar's dungeon, the Witchmaster etc, etc.) Will probably buy this one aswell if only so i can paint the little figurines:)

[@pierpaolodesaraca218]

Where can i buy the new englisch version? I live in Germany. Thank you :)

[@boardwithpaint]

I'm in the US, so I'm not sure. It's not generally available, yet, though - pre-order only. You could try reaching out to Hasbro support - they should be able to tell you when it will be available.

[@davidr63]

Great game . Loved that and space crusade . Went onto games like space hulk , blood bowl , necromumda, advanced games and more

[@boardwithpaint]

Love Space Hulk! I have an unpainted copy of the 4th edition on my shelf. That will probably be the closest I'll ever get to painting an actual space marine.

[@danielwilliamson6180]

I bought HeroQuest from a charity shop in 2007 and I still own it today. It's a great game. I've played the 1991 Atari version online.

[@boardwithpaint]

HeroQuest will always be special to me because it has the first miniatures I ever tried to paint. I really wish they had KZbin back then so I could have figured out what I was doing wrong (lesson one, don't use pure white for skin)!

[@olliefs9298]

I loved playing heroquest as a kid... it along with pen and paper DnD

[@boardwithpaint]

Me too!

[@BuckFu]

Thanks for the video. I never played the original, thought maybe my kids would enjoy this.

[@boardwithpaint]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@phil8821]

They cut out the Fimir??? How can they do that, it's outrageous it's not fair. Also that's not a Gargoyl, its an abomination.

[@boardwithpaint]

They're dry, and coarse, and they get everywhere.

[@soddof7972]

Fimir were a GW copyright i think

[@JayFFAFAlesanaES]

Is the 2021 version the Advanced Version? Think it had some extra tiles and minis or something

[@boardwithpaint]

No, this is essentially a remake of the original. There *was* an "Advanced HeroQuest" released in '89 or '90 as well, which had more modular components (like "Warhammer Quest"), if I remember correctly. I never owned it, though.

[@JayFFAFAlesanaES]

@@boardwithpaint I have Advanced Heroquest, it's quite a different game. I mean the "Advanced Quest" version of Heroquest. Basically, I'm wondering if it's worth picking this up or getting the original "Advanced Quest" version and the original expansions.

[@1nONLY_DRock]

You're lucky! I pre-ordered my copy and I just got told I won't get mine until late 1st quarter 2022.

[@boardwithpaint]

Sorry to hear that. Hopefully it will be early Q1 and not late Q1!

[@riccardocalderini4484]

And what about rules book? Are the same as original, with the old mistakes?

[@boardwithpaint]

The art and layout of the rulebook has drastically changed, but I didn't do a side by side text comparison. I noticed a few clarifications, but it still contains the rule I always found confusing that you could search the inside of a pit trap for secret doors and treasure.

[@riccardocalderini4484]

@@boardwithpaint maybe it is not possible searching treasures or traps inside pit if there is a enemy, ok it is not written but it is already taken for granted by the previous rules

[@Littleboxofevil]

This new set is so difficult to read, the figures are overdetailed and lack the imperfections. Like the new Orcs look like full on prepared warriors, as the old Orcs look more brute-ish and grabbed the nearest weapon they could find - which is fitting in the dungeon theme. The old Orcs are also imperfect body-wise and I personally think that also fits better. I wish I could love the new set but the head-to-body aspect ratio (small heads), unreadable busy designs make this a no-go for me. And the box art....While maybe some people say is a good attempt, the original art was of such a high level that this feels half-assed to me. Probably nostalgia talking though, who knows.

[@thedancehackersguidetoarge4301]

The old game used iconic Warhammer Fantasy/Citadel miniatures. A generic version would be bland in comparison.

[@ajgunter8932]

How much does the 2021 version cost?

[@boardwithpaint]

I believe it's available for pre-order for around $125 from various places in the US. Not sure about overseas. FWIW: HasLab backers got the Mythic Tier for $150 or just the core game (same as the pre-order) for $99.

[@HQDungeons]

i would never exchange my classic heroquest for the new one. nice Video.

[@nickvandam1214]

They also changed all the left handed figures to right handed for some reason?

[@anthonycasale1625]

Conspiracy!

[@philipdhollander5785]

Hi there! Can anyone share the dimensions of the new Heroquest game box and its two normal expansions (Kellar's Keep and the Witch King)? I'm looking for the sizes of the boxes (WxBxH). Thanks a million to anyone who can provide them :-)

[@boardwithpaint]

12"x16"x5¼" for the main box. Each expansion is 9½"x7⅛"x2¼"

[@jonnyr6092]

One thing about the original Hero Quest back in the day was it's insane value, it was only around £20 when it released here in the UK which was ridiculously cheap even for the time, especially when you consider what was in the box. I actually don't think the rerelease is unreasonabley priced when compared to modern contemporaries though and a good condition of the original will ironically probably cost you even more.

[@boardwithpaint]

Agreed. Definitely a high plastic-to-dollar ratio, especially for the Mythic Tier.

[@kimie7479]

Awesome vid!

[@primalconvoy]

The "equipment cards" were in the "original-original" version, from the UK, as the cardboard insert was only for the Yank version, which came out later, I believe.

[@boardwithpaint]

Ah - at the time of filming this I wasn't aware of the differences in versions.

[@reuterss306]

How sturdy are the new minis? Some of the stuff looks pretty bent. That was a huge turnoff when I bought mansions of madness because the miniatures bent so easily.

[@boardwithpaint]

They're more rigid than many other modern board games. Bent parts are pretty easy to fix with either hot water or a hair dryer. I was pretty happy with the quality. (They aren't as hard as the original though)

[@GuitarNewz]

We had a version where the armoury was on cards and not on a sheet. They must have made different versions for different continents/countries. And also, the Game Master screen didn't have anything printed on the back of it.

[@boardwithpaint]

Very interesting to hear - I wasn't aware of that! I'd love to see pictures of those cards. For the GM screen, I assume you mean the tables and charts were there, just no artwork on the other side?

[@GuitarNewz]

@@boardwithpaint, I'll check if I can have photos taken. :) The screen had the art work but no helping guides on the GM's side of the screen.

[@twiztidnoodle5784]

100% this was the same as mine. In australia as well? Character sheet was different too. There was also no dread spells at all

[@GuitarNewz]

@@twiztidnoodle5784, British version. :) I guess the US had a different version.

[@MKGAMES]

I had the UK version and it had a different design for the rule and quest book. Also I don’t believe we had the big reference card. The fimir was probably switch for licensing too, along with the chaos models. All round I like what I see and I am looking forward to a trip down memory lane when mine arrives.

[@TonyJ1776]

Subscribed and followed, now a question: Is it worth 125 USD in your opinion? (directed at both Board with Paint as well as any commentor who has purchased it.

[@boardwithpaint]

Thanks for the sub!! For me, yes. I think if you consider the quality and number of components, it's a pretty decent price (compared to other modern games) for what you get. The nostalgia factor is just extra gravy on top.

[@Swalexbass]

My mum bought me the 1989 version from a second hand store when I was young. Unfortunately I really wanted to play this but didn’t have anyone around me interested in this. All my friends were interested in video games and my two sisters and parents didn’t want any of it ;(

[@boardwithpaint]

Too bad they didn't have apps back then :(

[@goldengriffon]

Interesting to see. Most of the changes appear to be improvements, although in general I prefer the original art style (except the monster card illustrations; the old ones weren't up to par).

[@paulyates443]

I agree, the older design looks a lot cleaner and more modern funnily enough

[@larilaa]

No they actually were up to par.

[@handznet]

@@paulyates443 well the original art is hand painted and artsy new one is quite standard digital generic style, but in the end, it is good

[@thedancehackersguidetoarge4301]

They had to get rid of any Warhammer references, hence the generic sculpts and removing Chaos and replacing with Dread. Abominations are a wicked add. You could do some nice Lovecraftian dungeon dive if they added more of these...

[@defiraphi]

@@thedancehackersguidetoarge4301 Why getting rid of the Warhammer ? Don't tell me the new version is somehow illegally made against certain copyright laws ?

[@crumbum2]

Is it thicker? Or is it /taller/? Seems like 'tall' refers to height......'thickness' refers to width.......

[@boardwithpaint]

Both thicker and taller. The minis are sculpted in the new version at a slightly larger scale.

[@latsblaster]

I have never seen the equipment sheet (Axe etc), I have the equipment on cards.

[@apepmedia3059]

The difference being, One company did not ask the public to pay for the development of the game when they could have afforded it themselves. I'm looking at you HASBRO with your $5.5billion profit.

[@johntumahab323]

Well, the rules are still identical (making most spells worthless...is there even a point to Fire of Wrath?), and the figurines in the box, while more detailed, were also made of cheaper plastic and they came pre-bent in my box.

[@boardwithpaint]

The plastic is definitely more pliable, but that makes them less likely to break. This version did have a fair number of bent minis, but there's an easy fix. Check out the video I made specifically for this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqiWnYJpm8xko8U

[@crowwick7652]

Thanks. I played the original a few times as an early teen. I’m tempted on this. But for clarity purposes, I think I’d want the miniatures painted… don’t have that kind of time. Perhaps in 5-10 years I’ll find a used copy somebody else painted. Great video but for future reference, when doing side by side old vs new, try to be consistent. Old on on side and new on other. You switched it up. But thanks for the video.

[@boardwithpaint]

Thanks for the suggestion!

[@Kordanor]

Another interesting info: The Mummy has 2 Body points in the new and your original. In the German version they (and some others) only had 1 hitpoint. So wondering if they will "localize" the new version of Heroquest as well.

[@boardwithpaint]

I wonder why it was different in some versions...I expect that it's going to be 2 points in the other regions, too.

[@soddof7972]

In the 89 euro version all creatures had 1 body point the US version changed this (as a uk player i like the change)

[@KordanorsReviews]

@@soddof7972 Both has advantages. I think the 1 body point makes it much easier to track it. I also played Claymore Saga and there it was always a pain to track the HP. But if nothing else is adjusted, then this made the EU version basically to an "easy mode", which is kinda sad ^^

[@davidoliphant3955]

From the looks of it, they basically took the old basic set and add ons(which I'm not sure if you could get in stores, never saw them) in one package. I know that for rights ownership they'd have to redo some things if they re did the Advanced Hero Quest game tho, as they can't use the Skaven.

[@boardwithpaint]

I never played Advanced HQ (don't even think it was available in the US), but from what I understand it's quite similar to Warhammer Quest and uses terrain tiles instead of a single board. Contemporary games with modular boards (Descent, Imperial Assault, Gloomhaven, etc.) obviously continued in that vein and are likely better games. HQ, for me, is kind of the perfect storm of nostalgia and simplicity.

[@davidoliphant3955]

@@boardwithpaint the only place I saw AHQ was in a game shop, here in the USA. Idk, maybe that was before they lost the rights and just called it Warhammer Quest when that happened?

[@jacobkievit5394]

I like the new one better but I miss the old art work I looked cooler🙂

[@boardwithpaint]

I'm mixed - some of the stuff I like better (like the art of the Dread Warriors), but the zombies and orcs are a little disappointing.

[@iankinnell5643]

As a dnd player I may just use 1of the dnd plastic male elf models like drizzt to represent the difference because being a mythic tier backer your right the male & female look pretty samey

[@boardwithpaint]

Right - samey and very generic. But, to be honest I think the original elf kinda looks silly, so I don't mind that much :)

[@Kordanor]

I actually miss the Fimir, liked it more than the new monster which just looks like an angry Murloc. To me the Fimir as something of an elegancy with it's shape, round axe, bald head.

[@boardwithpaint]

The main problem I had with the Fimir is that he was "just another green dude". With Orcs and Goblins already in the game, I thought they just blended in too much. While I definitely get the "angry Murloc" vibe from the Abominations, at least they're significantly different (at least if you're going to paint to match the game artwork). Otherwise....still just another green dude.

[@Kordanor]

@@boardwithpaint Maybe. I guess it's very dependent on how you "connect" to it. Like you prefer the clever from the zombie - which i totally get, but in the end it's a matter of taste. The fimir was quite unique as a monster. I can see where you are coming from with the "just another green dude", but on the other hand, there isn't such a creature in any other game (maybe Warhammer? not too familiar with Warhammer). So he was kinda standing out of the crowd actually.

[@Thesavagesouls]

Yeah, honestly the fimir was one of the most scary creature of the game right after the Gargoyle.

[@pewpewplunkett87]

I think Black Orcs would've been fine if it was a Heroquest still set in the Warhammer world.

[@FF-tp7qs]

I understand losing the Chaos references, since Chaos is a huge part of Warhammer Fantasy and 40K, but have Fimirs ever been in anything since Heroquest? Also I always thought it was weird how much the Heroquest Gargoyle miniature resembled a tiny Bloodthirster of Khorne

[@imageispower20]

Does the wizard actually get to do stuff?

[@boardwithpaint]

The rules are the same as the original - so if you didn't like playing the wizard in that version, you'll probably still not like him here.

[@johncantone40]

I really love the new heroquest

[@seanmshields]

the 1989 version is in two color printing black and that sepia tone. Not black and white. Sorry to be technical.

[@Shadzar]

not bad, not bad. clearly no need for me to do an unboxing if/when i get my copy because its been done to death now.

[@hisheighnessthesupremebeing]

There are a few improvements in the new set and they did a really nice job not crapping on the original (unlike anything Hollywood or Disney).. however the original is the original and the new one needs to surpass the the old one but it fails to do so... Like for like the characters are better in the original... I don't know if the new ones gets to shine if they get a really good paint job.. but as they are unpainted from the molds the old ones are a lot better... It's not easy to beat any originals and in this case they fail to do so.. but it's a nice remake if you can't get the real one

[@iankinnell5643]

I hope they have other addons like against the ogre horde I had this an loved it

[@tafnac75]

by the looks of things it looks like anything that GW may own the rights too was changed, not a surprise is you think about it. With both the Chaos Warrior and Fimir being the ones that had to get the chop

[@boardwithpaint]

You would think that the HeroQuest license would include the rights to use those characters, regardless of where they originally came from. I wonder if it wasn't a copyright thing and they only made those changes because of the association with GW (their competitor).

[@patriarch7237]

@@boardwithpaint Copyright. Fimir were unique to GW though no longer one of their ranges. Chaos wasn't GW's invention, but that version of a "Chaos Warrior" is, and they still do models recognisably descended from it.. The original HQ Gargoyle was based on GW's "Bloodthirster", which was a daemon which they still produce today. Clearly inspired by Tolkien's Balrog (except for the fire) but as a GW image that wasn't going to be in this version.

[@MEchanicAL_LSTAR]

Never played Heroquest, but I did have (still do) Advanced Heroquest from Games Workshop it was one of the better board games they put together. I do remember the commercial for Heroquest when I was a kid and was one of the reasons I got into miniatures and painting.

[@thedancehackersguidetoarge4301]

I also have AHQ and the plastic furmiture is compatible with the AHQ tiles. The monsters as well, round bases same size as those from AHQ.

[@LeeroyGaming]

As someone that doesn’t paint terrain I prefer the old terrain as it had colored cardboard mixed with the cardboard that gave it character. Most of the new terrain is mono color and a bit boring/bland. The torture rack also looks better, esp with the added skull. The sarcophagus is bigger and looks noticeably better it me visually as well. So those were the only areas I disagreed with you.

[@boardwithpaint]

All the furniture in the new version is smaller than the original which seems really strange given that the board spaces are actually larger. I completely understand about the new furniture being bland if unpainted. If you wanted to improve that with some fairly low effort you could spray the terrain with gray or brown paint and then do an ink wash over it to pop out the details. Might still be a little monochrome but you'd be surprised how much difference that little bit makes.

[@BlackRabbitDigitalP]

The armoury was only in the american version, EU version always had cards (so nothing new if you owned the EU version), however they included the chaos spell cards which were only available in the american version (so a nice compromise between both versions).

[@Kordanor]

Yep, can confirm that the German Version (well, I guess it is one of the EU versions) had these cards as well.

[@boardwithpaint]

Watching @BardicBroadcasts' video again, I noticed that he's got some Equipment cards there (I assume the UK version). I never noticed that before.

[@scottlarmore5038]

I remember getting the original back in the day, but I could never get anyone to play it with me. Looked cool though….

[@boardwithpaint]

That's a shame you couldn't play it. Avalon Hill has released a companion app for this new version though, so you can play single-player if you'd like. It would probably even work with the original version (assuming you've still got it) since they haven't really made any gameplay changes.

[@freman007]

So basically in everything that relies on plastic molding the modern one benefits from the advance in molding technology.

[@boardwithpaint]

Yep!

[@spiralmind64]

An idea for the fireplace portrait: a small photo of Vincent Price. LOL

[@boardwithpaint]

I'm really leaning towards doing a custom decal for this. But there are so many options! Maybe come up with a way to make it replaceable, perhaps with magnets?

[@spiralmind64]

@@boardwithpaint or velcro.

[@marcofossella5935]

Candles, rat tails and Gargoyle's wings from the '89 are broken...classic :D

[@boardwithpaint]

I think my Gargoyle wings broke when I made this video. I must have pressed too hard. But its 30 year old plastic, so I don't know what I expected :(

[@DavidGreen_au]

While you might think that the new version with fully sculpted pieces is better, and if your focus is to paint all the pieces, there may be some merit to this line of thought, however, if you *don't* paint, the cardboard inserts, especially if they are in good condition, look pretty good, and add colour to the furnishings and doors. Of course, appeal is subjective. I have also owned my set since it was released, and was well cared for and is in very good condition, and has the advantage of being less of an impact on the purse than the contemporary version. I am looking forward to seeing new expansions for this release, which I hope to add to my legacy set.

[@boardwithpaint]

Fair enough. I'm certainly biased towards those who do. So far they've only released the two expansions that were available back in the day: Kellar's Keep and Return of the Witch Lord. The Mythic Tier came with some additional quest books, including all-new characters and some unique enemies - I don't think they'll be available at retail, though. On the other hand, none of the rules seem to have been materially changed, so anything new that DOES come out and is available should integrate seamlessly with the original. Just keep in mind the new miniatures are at a little larger scale than the originals.

[@DavidGreen_au]

… scaling issues of future products will by a subject of imagination and engineering to make them fit :)

[@boardwithpaint]

@@DavidGreen_au Weirdly enough, while the minis are larger in the 2021 version, the furniture is somewhat smaller. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@TalkingAboutGames]

Excelent video! I was looking for such a comparisson. I agree, the old zombie design looked better with a cleaver, it looks more brutal. Sadly, when I actually had the money to purchase the 2021 version, it dissapeared from shelves; I hope they print a new run soon, as I understand it, they were trying to revive the entire line right?

[@boardwithpaint]

To my knowledge, Hasbro hasn't said whether they'll be releasing any other content. They'll probably wait to see how it fares at retail. This version isn't available yet, I believe it will be in January or February. I only got a copy because I backed the Haslab Campaign.

[@TalkingAboutGames]

@@boardwithpaint That's strange, it was available in Amazon a few days ago, maybe it was a reseller. January and February sounds good, I can wait; thanks for the information!

[@Grandtank1999]

@@boardwithpaint I just ordered it off amazon along with both expansions without any kickstarter backing.

[@boardwithpaint]

@David that's great! I didn't expect it to be available till the new year. I wonder if its a reseller. Does the copy you ordered have the exclusives, too, or just the expansions? (The exclusives being the alt. heros, extra quest books, and the dragon miniature)

[@Grandtank1999]

@@boardwithpaint Just the base game, seems to be a retail copy but I havnt received it yet but it has shipped.

[@Ashtari]

omg...the 1989 version is how me and my friends fell down the rabbit hole of D&D.

[@boardwithpaint]

I was already into D&D when I got HeroQuest, but I was able to use the fact that it was simple and accessible to get my brother interested in RPGs.

[@KisakiSan]

My 1989 version have armory deck too

[@quonomonna8126]

not trying to brag or anything but having spent thousands on wizkids products for D&D, I could literally recreate this entire game with the stuff I have, but better because all my stuff is prepainted....I had the original hero quest when I was a kid but never could get anyone to play it with me...I was so excited about it and it fueled my imagination but looking at this makes me a little sad remembering little me just looking at his hero quest game with awe and reverence and wishing I had friends

[@boardwithpaint]

Sorry to hear you had nobody to play with back then. I was lucky to have a brother who also enjoyed the game. Playing HeroQuest together was one of the few times we weren't fighting with each other :) If it helps, Hasbro has released a HeroQuest app for this new version that can act as the Zargon player and allows single player play. I haven't used it yet, but with the pandemic still going on I don't often have people to play with either, so I intend to give it a try soon.

[@Kordanor]

@@boardwithpaint Also check out the old Amiga/PC Version of the game on some emulator if you haven't done yet. ;) Dark Quest 2 also gives some HQ vibes if you prefer a newer game.

[@e93gsx]

Looks pretty much the same. I got to admit to feeling a bias for all the old art, but I don't hate the new art. Did I hear you say the game plays the same? No new rules or changed old rules?

[@boardwithpaint]

As far as I've been able to tell, the rules are identical.

[@danielmarx2566]

Sorry, your "old" version is the 2.5 Version of HQ..the really old one, about 82 to 84 has "Equipment" Cards for Chainmail etc, even the Sightshield for the Evil Player hasnt the Creature Table. This was changend after the 84 Version. And the Book of Adventures has differences. Including the old Version of the "Master Edition" :)

[@tomhalpin2403]

Very helpful review. I agree with you about the zombies: how can zombies have the coordination to manage a sword and shield? However, have you actually read Lord Of The Rings and/or The Silmarillion? Balrogs do NOT have wings, else they would surely fly rather than fall...

[@boardwithpaint]

Thanks! I like to think that the zombies are just holding onto whatever they had in life. Not that they'll actually used the sword and shield properly. As for Balrogs, I've read them both, and you are 100% correct that Balrogs do not have wings. However, they look way more awesome with wings, so when I picture them in my head (or in most artwork of them) they always have wings. I don't know why my brain does that....but there ya go.