Is There a Need for the Pistol Caliber Carbine?

[@Doesitmatter_01]

If someone else decides what you need youll be hungry and cold in no time.

[@dashcammer4322]

And that includes spending time watching videos like this where someone tells you what you do or don't need.

[@fullhalf420]

welcome to Canada..😡🤬

[@gratefulguy4130]

​@@dashcammer4322 Does he tell you that though?

[@RebelByNature]

@@dashcammer4322 You completely missed the point and the message of the video.

[@dcrog69]

Need? maybe. Want definitely.

[@Rick-fe8xn]

I dont need it either, but I want it😂

[@johndelconte9915]

I like pistol caliber rifles. I own one in .38/.357, and .45 colt. I don’t have to stock up on too many different types of ammunition. I also been hand loading for a long time. Pistol ammunition is much easier to load. It costs a fraction of the price to load your own. Hickock mentioned the advantages in velocity. That’s my 2 cents worth.

[@Milspecpoptart]

Yup. 5-25grains per round stretches a pound of powder alot farther than rifle rounds using 25-200grains per round...

[@johndelconte9915]

@ absolutely. I wouldn’t go big game hunting without a good rifle round. I have a few rifles in various rifle calibers. Like any good toolbox, you should have the tools you need for the job.

[@rsgenetics42]

😊❤😊😊😊😅

[@miker7798]

For me it goes back to the old west. 2 guns. One ammo. I only have this reality in my Ruger SA and my Winchester 94 in 22 mag. But I would love to have the same in .357. Ruger used to make the Convertible SA Blackhawk in 38/357/ and 9mm with the other cyl. And a lever in 38/357 with that is a lot of versatility of ammo. If things ever got very scarce.

[@johndelconte9915]

@ there’s a few rifle manufacturers making them in various pistol calibers. It’s becoming popular. I think they make a rifle in 9mm now. I personally am not interested in that one but if 9mm is all you have for a pistol, then it’s worth it. 9mm ammunition is pretty inexpensive. .45 colt ammo is ridiculously expensive unless you load your own.

[@alan-jf2mz]

don't worry about defining need. years ago, I convinced my wife to get her first gun. she chose the Beretta cx4. I had just finished building a 9mm pcc and ammo was 16 cents/rnd. we would drop the kids off at school and head out to the range for hours of fun, spending a whole lot less than a night out. both guns were more than capable of hitting beer cans at a hundred yards. those days are some of my favorite memories still.

[@squonk2902]

CX4 is fun! I have the .45 version

[@hakimcameldriver]

BECAUSE THEY ARE FUN AND IT IS MY MONEY TO SPEND..

[@randybyrd8755]

I love that my pistol and rifle use the same round I don't have to Carry different rounds in my ammo bag. ❤❤ Merry Christmas ❤

[@Loveourelders]

Definitely useful especially if they accept Glock mags. Shitf scenario I want the most common hardware available

[@m_hub3957]

Paul Harrel PROVED that 357 Mag out of a lever gun is close to 556 power you will not get the same range as 556. 9mm out of the longer barrel gets you 200-300 FPS more and THAT MATTERS accurate out to 100+ yards

[@brianhillis3701]

I have a carbine in .454, shoots .45 colt too. Extremely handy and powerful, can buy rounds that compares to .45-70 standard velocity. Put in cowboy loads, and you have a great low powered gun. Yes, it has a place in my collection.

[@Man-vs-Metal]

He is missed.

[@dashcammer4322]

Nor will you get the penetration vs body armor that a 5.56x45 has.

[@herbderbler1585]

@@dashcammer4322 of course not, those projectiles are inherently different machines with different behavior. OP's point was simply that energy on target is comparable, meaning there is overlap between what you can accomplish with a 5.56 carbine and a 357mag carbine.

[@DavidLee-by4xv]

In a shtf scenario, in an urban environment where you have to grab and go, having a pistol that you can hit out to 25m is good. Having a rifle that will hit out to 100-150m and uses the same ammo and magazines, simplifies things in a high stress environment. Scavenging, the pistol round will be more commo (imho). In a rural or even some suburban environment where your threat is out past 100-150m I'd definitely want a more appropriate rifle but when things get crazy, simple is a plus.

[@geedoubleu641]

What he said.

[@banzaibill4290]

Yup.

[@Catgat37]

I agree. But really depends on what the SHTF scenario is.

[@geedoubleu641]

@Catgat37 Can't know the future. For general purposes I'd fell good about having a rifle that took 9mm Glock mags.

[@calimerc]

Thats exactly why i built mine i have over 1k rounds of 9mm but i only have about 300 of 5.56 due to the cost. I think the pcc is more than capable of protecting me and my family if i want to bunker down in my house

[@bengarcia1091]

Im surprised to hear so many people say they dont like PCC online. In my circles everyone i know has one and says they are fun. Anyone that dosent have one always tells me they want one. Never had anyone in person say anything negative about them.

[@b3sTus3r]

People say "I don't understand, why would you want a PCC? The size of a rifle with the power of a handgun"... And then they buy a Ruger 10/22 🤭

[@johnmoss4624]

i don't have a thing against PCC's but that's not a fair comparison. 22LR is a totally different gun role

[@greenkeeper448]

They enjoy hearing themselves talk and sound important. Never thought of 10/22 as a pcc, though, of course, it is.

[@Loveourelders]

That reminds me, I really need to clean my 22. I love that thing but treat it like shit lol

[@danielhuff1397]

Valid point

[@SubvertTheState]

That's the gun i want next haha

[@crushthequarter6863]

People should buy what they like as long as they can afford it and it doesn't break the law and not worry about what other's think about it.

[@stefanmolnapor910]

What about the "laws" that break the law?

[@stevez340]

There is definitely a need, as most people can afford to go to the range for 25 cents per round, but far fewer can afford some $2-$3 rifle rounds😮

[@Catgat37]

Except it all ends up being a wash if you are a real shooter. I don't know what kind of $2-$3 rounds you are talking about. Unless you are running high quality match grade factory ammo out of an AR 10 and want a 9mm AR for training purposes. All I know is that when I run match grade ammo out of my 308 bolt action, it takes me significantly longer to go through ammo than it would for the same cost as shooting one of my 9mm guns.

[@stevez340]

@ I don’t know what you’re shooting, but .45-70 and 30-06 is $2-$3 per round, just to name two.

[@RadaghastBrown]

@@Catgat37 A real shooter as opposed to a fake shooter? Is my 8 year old nephew, who has only experienced a 10/22, but loves it, a real shooter, or is he a fake shooter?

[@Catgat37]

@@stevez340 question is, how many rounds of 45-70 do you really run back to back?

[@Catgat37]

@@RadaghastBrown I am referring to the kind of shooter that trains frequently. Many gun owners barely get out and shoot even once a month.

[@davek5027]

I travel across the U.S. a lot. I always carry a Glock 19 or a Glock 26, so I thought it would make sense to bring along a takedown carbine that accepts Glock magazines that could be kept in a nondescript case, for when I take it into the hotel for the night. The Ruger PC Carbine with Magpul stock and red dot sight filled the bill.

[@bengarcia1091]

Yes there is a NEED! And that NEED is FUN!

[@JodyM2]

I recently got a M&P FPC, I Love it!

[@painkllrrr]

Agreed - picked up one earlier this year - so much fun to shoot. For me, it's a perfect truck gun - folds up nicely & I only need to pack extra ammo in one caliber for both the FPC & my EDC pistol.

[@y2000air]

I love mine. Steel challenge , 2 gun indoor leagues ect. It’s a blast

[@ChristianGustafson]

Much respect -- Hickok was at Eniwetok with Lee Marvin. Thank you for your service!

[@gyrospinup]

You never explained why the real cowboys liked a rifle that shot the same cartridge as their pistol. Also, shooting that 9mm is far more cheaper than other pistol calibers. Not sure if they still make it, but Marlin made a lever action 44 magnum.

[@null6634]

If you have to carry a limited amount of ammo and weight, having a common caliber is a logistical advantage. If you're planning for a SHTF scenario, that can also be a factor. Many of the PCCs also fold up to be more compact than a dedicated rifle.

[@gyrospinup]

@null6634 I already knew that. Asking 45 why he didn't explain. Looks like you did it for him. Better to have cartridge belt/belts with same ammo of course.

[@null6634]

@@gyrospinup His style is more conversational. Sometimes things get brought up, but not followed through with. It happens. It is a casual YT video, not a PHD dissertation. But you knew that. So I suppose you're just picking nits.

[@Catholic-Perennialist]

I never get the impression from Hikok that money for ammo is ever a concern.

[@gyrospinup]

@Catholic-Perennialist I don't think he pays for it.

[@anameofsomesort959]

How fitting this video is for me. Just 5 days ago I finished my own PCC build (AR9). The benefit of being able to shoot 20cpr bulk 9mm ammo instead of 50cpr 223/5.56 out of the AR platform is fantastic, and being able to use the Glock mags I've already gathered over the years is another added benefit. Well I don't find the recoil to be any better with my standard 6.9oz PCC buffer (if I was using a 8oz or 10oz heavy PCC buffer it would probably be much lighter), due to it being a blowback design, in comparison to my standard ARs, that still means it's a light shooting rifle. Shooting sports was a huge reason for my decision to build one. My local Multi/3-gun matches have specifically approved PCCs as an alternative to standard intermediate and full-power cartridge guns for rifles. Prepping for a match always means I'm burning through more than the standard amount of ammo I'm expected to bring to the match if I don't want to embarrass myself. Now I can practice and compete for much cheaper. There's also a specific class for PCCs in SCSA that I'm excited to try.

[@spazzkydyt3166]

I use a KAK 10oz buffer and it’s super smooth, I would recommend it

[@billvill61]

To me, second only to a short barreled 12 gauge, it's the perfect home defense weapon. Just in case...I keep both!

[@ifeelfine72]

I think it’s better than the 12 gauge because there is no recoil to speak of and ammo is plenty cheap so practice is easier.

[@TheNamesDalton24]

Yes but also Lightsabers… may the force be with you 💚🐎

[@nostromo9743]

🙄

[@TheNamesDalton24]

@ 😃

[@JEDiTV]

May the Force be with you. 🤠

[@henryschmidt636]

PCC? God no! Every single US and Brit that carried a Thompson died within minutes of battle. You gotta have a 556, tacticool beard and 23" waist to survive.

[@TTiger86268]

Have an fpc that i really enjoy, carry 2 extra mags in the stock, accurate and compact. Right now also until end of month, s&w is also giving a free Vortex with purchase.

[@StacyTheDude]

Yeah, I put close to 600 rounds through mine and as of now I haven’t had a single failure. I’ve only cleaned it once. Solid gun.

[@stonefox9124]

Yes, as the constitution says, "the pursuit of happiness" 😁

[@johnmartlew5897]

Two three fire arms, same ammo. Simple. What’s not to like.

[@rooster-c3f]

You can use the same ammo as your sidearm and let's not forget more velocity., so I think there is a need for it.

[@stripmin41]

I have a 9mm PCC and I like the fact I can carry a handgun and rifle with the same cheap ammo. 5.56 has come down but during Covid it was near 1.00 a round.

[@bry2k]

I just discovered in this video that hickock45 was born in 1845. 😅

[@Z7d3nR4]

Yep, that is why he calls himself Hickok"45".

[@markkravig7410]

One additional benefit of making these as a “pistol-braced” PCC rather than a normal rifle is that in a lot of states, the anti-poaching laws prevent you from carrying a loaded rifle on your person or in a vehicle. A restriction that a stabilized PCC doesn’t have.

[@SPQA1776]

Your argument would hold water years ago when ammo was cheap, but with ammo prices where they are right now, it’s just nice to have the feel of a rifle with the cheaper ammo. I purchased the Smith & Wesson FPC and have not regretted it!

[@TheSingleTrucker]

I bought a Hi-point 4595ts and love the accuracy with the included red dot optic. +P recoil is fine. The bullpup conversion is great and even more stable PCC platform!

[@larcombs]

Excellent presentation.

[@markkravig7410]

My KelTec Sub2k has a couple very good uses. 1. It is a cheap backup option for all my Beretta magazines. 2. It gets a few hundred more FPS out of a 9mm. 3. When paired with the two 10rd magazines I happen to own (thanks Brady bill), I can take it with me when I travel to cities/states that have a lot of restrictions for handguns and the “scary black rifles”. 4. If it is taken from me by authoritarian commie-state law enforcement, I’m out less than $400. 5. Mine folds so it can be carried into a hotel room in any backpack or small suitcase without anyone noticing.

[@glenhenning9261]

I still say every LE officer should have a light, small shoulder attachment for their Glocks. Just a short wire bent metal quick attaching "stock" would turn any pistol into a rifle. And of course the difference in accuracy would be incredible. The main reason officers grab rifles is when they simply cannot hold on a target past pistol ranges, especially with the massive adrenaline kick in fight mode. Easy to make one so light it could be worn with other gear at all times. In the civilian world power is not that important- accuracy ALWAYS IS!

[@timg7627]

That doesnt turn a ‘pistol into a rifle’ Its still a pistol with pistol cartridge, ballistics and effectiveness or lack there of. Perhaps it can be more accurate past 25 yards but in no way is it a Rifle.

[@lanceblinent7909]

Pistol caliber carbines were originally made to provide a semi auto version of a SMG. The semi auto UZI and HK 94 were early examples. I like them for home defense. A home owner can confront the threat with a pistol caliber long gun without having to worry about hearing loss, and easy follow up shots if needed. They are easy for smaller folks to use.

[@smittysmitty481]

I like these carbines on 40 s&w baby!!

[@RadaghastBrown]

You had me for about 4 minutes, sir. :) Why buy a bicycle when you can buy a motorcycle? Preference is a big thing for folks. And different circumstances call for different approaches. I keep the PCC's smaller cousin, the "sub gun" as one of my main HD weapons. There are several reasons why I choose this platform over others, and those reasons may not apply, or be as significant, for others. In short: It's only a "waste of money" if you buy something that someone else tells you to get, that you don't particularly want.

[@brendangriffin1791]

You dont waist a minute before unloading the commercials on us glad to see you again

[@GabeQ-z2x]

People with hand issues such as arthritis... It's a darn good gun to own.

[@charlieygreen8532]

😂😂😅😅i knew it, you messing with our heads😅😅😅

[@jasonviola1880]

I inherited a Kel-Tec 9 mm when my old man passed in 2022. Would I have purchased it? No. Have I had a lot of fun with it. Yes.

[@olyman63]

Awesome show thank you

[@MonicaHolly143]

There's definitely a market for them not everyone can train in rifles using 556. I personally think the 10mm is the best caliber for pcc and possibly the 5.7 in the future

[@LiorIPSC]

PCC is a relatively new discipline in IPSC. Their advantage is having rifle fun on pistol ranges in countries where land management requires more regulation of shooting sports. My Bul BL9 is the greatest semiauto fun you can have with Glock magazines.

[@hickok45]

One cool advantage of a PCC is that you can generally shoot all the same steel targets that we normally only shoot with handguns. Makes it more fun than just shooting paper.

[@maximilianmustermann5763]

A lot of people shoot 9mm carbines in IPSC because it's fun and affordable. Sure you could shoot IPSC rifle, but it's way more expensive and there's not too many matches here in Europe. PCC matches can be held at basically any range, sometimes pistol and PCC matches are shot using the same stages. It's just a very convenient way to get some dynamic training with a rifle.

[@Rocketman9mm]

PCCs are a lot of fun. Especially if rifle calibers are out of reach financially, you only can shoot at indoor ranges that don't allow rifles, or you want to streamline ammo stockpile to share with your EDC or HD handgun.

[@Catgat37]

This is a good argument as to why I need a single action revolver in 300 Blackout.

[@junkremovalserviceky2050]

There are some really good reasons, number one the ammo is cheaper, and some people can't afford standard cartridge carbine ammo. Also, not everyone can fire a pistol accurately, and they need something with a stock, that they can hold like a rifle for stability and accuracy.

[@Christopher-vh4eo]

What about the Tommy gun pistol caliber machine guns, it's all the same.

[@anangryranger]

I'll say this: Firearms manufacturers are constantly designing, producing, promoting, and selling something new all the time. They're in the business to make money, I get it. If someone wants a 9mm AR style carbine, fine. Same for a reproduction of an 1873 Winchester in 44-40 or later cartridges not used in the 19th century. It's up to the individual, and far for me to tell another what to use.

[@patwalsh2868]

You are such a good guy to pull a prank !!! You really had me going in the beginning, I was saying out loud , what about the Cowboys , keeping same ammunition is what I like I can even use my Glock 19 mags , so I look at it as a system !!! Have the others needed also !!! But you are a funny SOB !!!!! 😂🤣😂

[@rgille2]

Love my Keltec Sub2k. Fits nicely in my backpack and it's very accurate.

[@generalgrant2003]

Less risk of over penetration compared to a rifle in a home defense situation.

[@TheNamesDalton24]

Someone stole my dang Leupold hat >:( Talk about scuffed. Literally woke me up cause I felt it was missing and it VANISHED

[@domhontz]

need? no, but is it our given right as Americans? fuck yes it is 🦅🦅🦅

[@thesaint1517]

As always, your videos and comments are really enjoyable and informative. I have a couple of carbines and sbrs handy that I take to the range when shooting pistols and really enjoy them. Also, keep one sbr handy in 5.5¨with 33 mag in the house for protection.

[@tracyclaystowell6431]

They keep the price down for marksmanship practice with a centerfire. Mine has worked great for hunting from my Deer stand. harvested a bear and a nice five point buck. Also great for introducing new shooters.

[@randymartin5521]

PCCs are a great home defense option in my opinion. At home defense/across the room distances, a shotgun is basically just a rifle, not much spread and at those distances a PCC will have plenty of energy to stop a threat while producing little recoil and less muzzle blast than a shotgun or rifle. The absolute longest shot I could possibly take in my house is 40 feet but most likely the distance to target would be much less, so I much prefer a PCC, plus you can get PCCs that are shorter than the typical "tactical" shotgun (yes I know there are exceptions), so more maneuverable in tight quarters.

[@arowhead9]

it's great for an apartment because it will not over penetrate and will give you the accuracy so you don't miss. if you make an sbr or use the brace it's the perfect cqb length

[@davva360]

I have a Ruger PCC takedown. Great for a go bag, set up to use Glock mags because I have quite a few of those. Good option I think.

[@harlandrake266]

Thanks Mr 45

[@patrickw9520]

My favorite part about my 9mm AR, I can shoot subsonic expanding ammo for far less than 300 BLK costs. Uses same mags as my pistol. Great for small critter control, with a can, around the farm. We get armadillos that will dig up electric and water lines this time of year, damaging infrastructure. Got the right balance of firepower and accuracy, and most important of all, super quiet around the farm. More reliable to take down an armadillo than a .22 LR.

[@SeanMurphy00]

The short answer is always: yes!

[@tomg4592]

I fully agree there is a need for these types of firearms. For someone that is not proficient with a handgun this is perfect for close quarters.

[@ballesterosgorge8537]

Love the CZ scorpion

[@time_of_yer_life_eh_kid]

more accurate than a pistol, easier to shoot than a pistol, greater velocity and distance from a pistol cartridge. One box of ammo two different disciplines for two different scenarios. Yes I see value in these.

[@garylewis4838]

Consider that over 90& of all gunfights since 1900 has been within 50 yards. A PCC will let you use a common ammunition between your handgun and your carbine.

[@MultiMuskyman]

Pistol caliber carbine is great for me. I have 9mm pistols and 9mm carbines, only have to stock up on one type of ammo. Plus more affordable to spend a day at the range.

[@mkshffr4936]

Thriving for a Century and a half so the market certainly finds them useful.

[@BartSparrow123]

There is definitely a NEED! You can't shoot steel at close ranges with a rifle caliber carbine, it destroys the steel targets and is more dangerous due to higher velocity fragments off the targets. It's also 50-70% less costly to do carbine training with a PCC vs. a rifle caliber.

[@johnschofield9496]

IMO, a PCC is an excellent choice for home defense. Loaded with good hollow point or frangible ammunition, it won't go through walls like a rifle round but especially through a carbine retains a high degree of stopping power.

[@randallp2144]

Fun per dollar cant be beat. They are suprisingly accurate too so i see alot of benefit vs a normal pistol.

[@greggordon9567]

Most of the resistance in Europe during ww2 used pistol caliber carbines. Most in 9mm, it does work given the situation. Not to mention cowboy guns are in pistol caliber, so handgun and rifle fired same round. Less logistical issues and less weight.

[@TacticoolCraig]

Not in Canada anymore

[@jameswhiteman1595]

Fellow Canadian here, I feel your pain

[@mikereinhardt4807]

It's sad when an entire country is highjacked by a group of people that use propaganda instead of facts to convince people that guns and people who own them are somehow evil. I hope for the best in Canada but unfortunately the worst is yet to come im afraid...

[@sinenomine4540]

Love my PCC. (kitted out cz EVO3 with subsonic ammo and suppressor) Also, based on the definition of "firearm", PCCs are firearms too, it does not depend on the cartridge/caliber.

[@roebuckred4482]

Here in the UK, we have lots of ranges tha are only rated for .22lr and pistol calibers. Carbines have to be straight pulls or long barreled pistols. Plus heaper on ammo.

[@Blando7887]

I have an AR9 and one of those HiPoint carbines in 10mm. Range toys

[@markm5112]

Pistol caliber carbines have been around since 1873 or before. Ah, the good old .44-40 …..

[@GF_Burke]

I'm going to do a SIG MPX 8in integral build soon. :)

[@Greenjeans2020]

I have a custom built Thureon Defense PCC in 9mm. One of my favorite "fun" guns. Primarily I use it for USPSA and SCSA. So yes, there is a need. Also, it runs about 200 FPS faster than the same round in s pistol.

[@pdm2201]

The Ruger .44 five shot carbine comes to mind but may have used a different round than the revolver.

[@crazycudaman440]

I have a stern defense conversion kit .40 sw and 9mm both take Glock mags both extremely accurate and if I want to a regular ar again just take off the magazine conversion and now it can use ar 15 standard mags again

[@patrickrossetti7109]

Yes. Everyone needs one!

[@Corn_Pop_Da_Bad_Dude]

With the price of ammo YES!! I bought a AK-V and I love that thing you should do a video on it

[@steveb6103]

It's a traditional thing. Even in the old west, having a handgun and rifle that uses the same ammunition! Who am I to break the tradition! Mines the Ruger in 9mm.

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

Most of us don't belong to a Rifle Club or have a outdoor range within an hour's distance. Most indoor pistol ranges don't have the ability to handle those higher calibers.

[@bobarganbright180]

The Thompson smg had a 10 " barrel. Great weapon. M1 carbine and others during and since WW2

[@ForgottenHillbilly]

You can't forget Ruger's 1st rifle, the 44 magnum carbine. 44mag in a rifle becomes a whole new animal. If it's a dumb concept and not needed then i don't know why police have had them. Sometimes it can be handy when you have a side arm and a rifle shooting the same round but it's none of anybody's business what caliber someone's rifle is.

[@bschuneman]

A folding 10 mm for camping etc etc

[@mikereinhardt4807]

I own the ruger in 9mm. Great light duty rifle and has great accuracy...

[@troy9er]

You didn’t mention suppression. Great for home defense. Quiet in your home with less penetration through walls and such.

[@winner8x8]

Some states restrict the ability to own a pistol. At the same time if you live in an urban area, you don't want a full size rifle that might hit the neighbor's dog. I believe there is a real use case there.

[@bullslayergames]

ive always found them a bit weird concept wise but i can see them having a place cause a lot of pistol caliber carbines are very light and some even super compact with the ability to fold and stuff so you can carry them with you easy in a bag or in a vehicle, i'd personally say in terms of range its a better than nothing deal, id still prefer a rifle caliber like 5.56 or 308 over pistol calibers personally.

[@katyusha9050]

Why are there so many bots

[@MoragTong_]

Cheaper to train with, as pistol ammo is vstly less expensive than rifle ammo. Of course you need similar platforms and range to target, but that's what I use mine for.

[@patpatterson12]

The best subgun of WWII was the Russian PPS 43; in 7.62x25 Tokarev, matching the ammo in their pistol. While a subgun is not EXACTLY a rifle, it's a long-ish gun that benefits from having a pistol as a backup. Lots of other military subguns we could include as proof of concept.

[@wbriggs111]

My Kal tec 9mm camp rifle is a hard hitter and is great at 50 m and can be used up to 100 m. It can fold up into nothing but it is plastic and starts to melt after 50 rounds.

[@tracyclaystowell6431]

The 92 Win. and 94 Marlin fired rifle cartridges of the time. Colt then made revolvers to chamber them.

[@timothystrang1794]

Pistol round rifles or carbines will always be popular because of one reason carrying one ammunition for your epistle and carrying the same ammunition for your so-called rifle or carbine whatever you want to call it

[@chrissmalley83]

Need? Thankfully, I live in a country (and state) where I don't need to "need" a firearm to own one. One of my first firearm purchases was a PCC. I bought it for its versatility. Now that my collection has expanded, it is one of my least useful firearms. The PCC can fill many roles, but there is nothing that I can do with the PCC that I can't do better with something else I own. If I could only have one gun, it would be a 9mm pistol. If I could only have two guns (or could only take two guns with me), the PCC makes a strong case as gun #2. Without any arbitrarily imposed limit on firearms, I have no need for a PCC. I'm still keeping it.

[@joshuahawkins2743]

I still like my hipoint carbine works great surprisingly