Hickory Dickory Dock's Hidden Message!

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@squiresquiffy3728
@squiresquiffy3728 10 ай бұрын
The Young Cromwell explanation rings true for me, although I wouldn’t call what he did cowardly. Sadly our modern leaders do not consider their mediocrity to be a bar to their attaining high office.
@pashakdescilly7517
@pashakdescilly7517 10 ай бұрын
The mediocre fight to gain positions of power and hold on to them as long as they can
@rogerclark9285
@rogerclark9285 10 ай бұрын
Who among them rises to the level of mediocrity?
@squiresquiffy3728
@squiresquiffy3728 10 ай бұрын
@@rogerclark9285 yes indeed, who!?
@rathertiredofthemess2841
@rathertiredofthemess2841 10 ай бұрын
Well? If all the mediocrity resigned, white folks would have no one speaking for them.
@rathertiredofthemess2841
@rathertiredofthemess2841 10 ай бұрын
@@rogerclark9285well as a Native American, England did not send its brightest nor its best. So what part of that confused you?
@ThaShortGame
@ThaShortGame 7 ай бұрын
Hands down, one of the best offerings KZbin hides...
@fabiosplendido9536
@fabiosplendido9536 10 ай бұрын
For what it's worth I'd say #3 is the meaning and #2 is the reason for its structure.
@alisonfraser8231
@alisonfraser8231 10 ай бұрын
Yes, an artist rarely has a single inspiration. But the fact that he was known as hickory Dick can’t be ignored.
@mdeeaonetwothree5162
@mdeeaonetwothree5162 9 ай бұрын
It’s like a meme on TikTok, using a Taylor Swift song
@lauradavison4044
@lauradavison4044 10 ай бұрын
As a retired nursery teacher I love these ideas about the origins of Nursery Rhymes.
@EduardQualls
@EduardQualls 10 ай бұрын
This is interesting because my mother would entertain me as a child with the _yan, tan, tither, ..._ counting words. Mind you, this was in the hills of central Arkansas during the late 1950's, early '60's. During high school, by which time I'd become very interested in British Literature & English linguistics, I noticed my (relatively uneducated) mother using Elizabethan words or turns of phrase--her paternal line goes back through Appalachia to the mid-1600's in early North Carolina and Virginia, so her memory of English country customs does not surprise me. Beyond that, having started speaking French at 10 years of age, I actually learned the clock-rhyme in that language: _Higoré, digoré, doge. / Le rat monte ­à l'horloge. / Une heure frappe; / Le rat s'échappe. / Higoré, digoré, doge._ (I don't remember its source.)
@zaphodthenth
@zaphodthenth 10 ай бұрын
Looking at the first line of this rhyme in another language, it is very easy to conclude that "Hickory Dickory Dock" is an anglicized version of it.
@Haley497
@Haley497 10 ай бұрын
We shall never know wether the original was French or English, the French one could well be a fabulous translation that kept faithful to the rhyme ❤
@arneherstad2198
@arneherstad2198 10 ай бұрын
I met a guy with an English accent in Oregon 50 years ago. I asked what part of England he was from. "Arkansas" he replied. True story.
@lunchymunchy2984
@lunchymunchy2984 10 ай бұрын
That’s pretty cool
@lunchymunchy2984
@lunchymunchy2984 10 ай бұрын
@@arneherstad2198of course lots of modern us place names are taken rom English lace names... ot sure about Arkansas though.. sounds more like a Native American word to me for no reason I can articulate😅
@deewesthill1213
@deewesthill1213 10 ай бұрын
There is a children's counting out rhyme that (as i recall) goes: "Intery, mintery, cuttery, corn, apple seed and apple thorn. Wire, briar, limber, lock. Three geese in a flock. One flew east and one flew west and one flew over the cuckoo's nest. Out goes you!". (At the end the kid saying the rhyme points their finger at the kid counted out). I hope you can do a show on that one!
@RedactedcommentMan
@RedactedcommentMan 9 ай бұрын
Duck, duck, duck, duck, duck, duck, duck, duck, duck, duck, duck, duck, duck, duck, duck, duck, duck..... Goose!
@deewesthill1213
@deewesthill1213 9 ай бұрын
@@RedactedcommentMan One potato, two potato, three potato, four. Five potato, six potato, seven potato, more! 🥔🥔🥔🥔🥔🥔🥔.....
@nomadpi1
@nomadpi1 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for your comment. At 79 yrs old, I often wondered, but never searched for these item's origins. I know from a biography of a teacher, at Roswell, NM, who used the the "Three geese.in a flock..." to skip rope, but you supplied me more info. Now, got any info on my maternal grandmother (Texas raised) who used a rhyme on my mother, " Bunny rabbit, bunny rabbit, your tail's sure white, "Yes by golly, it snowed last night...?"
@YSLRD
@YSLRD 9 ай бұрын
My Tennessee hills mom taught it to us without the first line. I haven't heard that for many years.
@joywebster2678
@joywebster2678 8 ай бұрын
Haven't heard that one since my grandparents would say it they were born late 1800s in England. Many of the original fairy tales ( vs disney) and nursery rhymes learned from them. The emigrated from Britain to Canada during the great depression.
@ice9snowflake187
@ice9snowflake187 10 ай бұрын
It's about Cromwell probably, using the cathedral clock's varmint problem as a metaphor, and some common folk knowledge of the old counting-rhyme system.
@deniaridley
@deniaridley 8 ай бұрын
My thought exactly.
@wsotw2218
@wsotw2218 8 ай бұрын
Yes a combination of the 3 would be likely, as it's smart word play, and all 3 would have been fairly common information around the time. But Cromwell being the reason for the rhyme's creation.
@ruthd7274
@ruthd7274 3 ай бұрын
yes. this! Typical of the English sense of humour.
@FelixstoweFoamForge
@FelixstoweFoamForge 10 ай бұрын
Now that is interesting. I'd never considered that "Tumbledown Dick" could have been the inspiration for this seemingly nonsense rhyme. Makes sense though, most nursery rhymes are about public events, so it fits.
@random_adventuring
@random_adventuring 10 ай бұрын
I vote for #3. I think it's cheeky British humour of the time
@davidarundel6187
@davidarundel6187 10 ай бұрын
All 3 readings , have their merits . The Exeter Cathedrals clock , is quite a Beautiful instrument and helpful . Thank you for your insights .
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 10 ай бұрын
You're very welcome! I'm so happy you enjoyed it :) 🖤
@futatorius
@futatorius 10 ай бұрын
The ancient catflap is a more popular tourist attraction. People have asked me for directions to it (I live in Exeter). The vaulting in the cathedral is far more worth seeing though.
@loyalrammy
@loyalrammy 10 ай бұрын
I thing the Oliver Cromwell theory sounds the best, although the clock and cat story is very fun.
@richardglady3009
@richardglady3009 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for this fine video. Thanks for, objectively, providing the three theories. Lots of great research and visuals. Well and professionally produced.
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much :) 🖤
@dr.s.p.
@dr.s.p. 10 ай бұрын
Hickere, Dickere Dock The mice ran up the clock.
The clock “struck” one! The rest got away with minor injuries. Oh, Hickere, Dickere Dock
@LoneYukon
@LoneYukon 9 ай бұрын
WHOA! Dice it up some more, will ya!
@deewesthill1213
@deewesthill1213 9 ай бұрын
🐀 🐀 🐀 🐀 🐀 🐀 ⏰ 😼😆
@Louis-kk3to
@Louis-kk3to 9 ай бұрын
That's my favorite version of this rime 😂👍
@daithimacansaor5454
@daithimacansaor5454 8 ай бұрын
And i had unwittingly assumed i was the first to write the lines 5 years ago, that is, mice plural and the final as"the other one escaped with light injuries" ,
@Tekoa80
@Tekoa80 8 ай бұрын
I remember my mum adding that line years ago, when I was little 😂 She also used to say... Hey diddle diddle, The cat did a tiddle All over the living room floor. The little dog laughed To see so much fun, So the cat did a little bit more! 😂
@nolaparton-jones8932
@nolaparton-jones8932 8 ай бұрын
Your voice is very pleasant to listen to. And your research into the facts of these incidences is very good and appreciated. It is fascinating to learn about all of these historical facts. I believe this one to be about Richard Cromwell. It makes the most sense of the three, although all are fascinating!! Thank you for your channel, I have subscribed!! I have always been fascinated by nursery rhymes and committed to memory a great many of them, so to learn about their possible origins intrigues me!!
@marcduhamel-guitar1985
@marcduhamel-guitar1985 9 ай бұрын
The Cromwell explanation seems to make the most sense to me- a rhythmic taunt.
@JungleJoeVN
@JungleJoeVN 10 ай бұрын
I love being referred to as a Darkling along with the rest of your viewers; it's so sweet. I think it was about the clock. The original rhyme has the word dicke which is an old German word for thick or fat. So, this would go along with the animal fat used in the clock.
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 10 ай бұрын
That's a great observation! Thank you for sharing 🖤 :)
@laicamusic1
@laicamusic1 10 ай бұрын
I also think it's the clock, and I think it's based on the sound that an old clock mechanism makes
@deewesthill1213
@deewesthill1213 10 ай бұрын
Allegedly Richard Cromwell's enemies called him "Queen Dick" and referred to "Dick's hatband", which meant he had no crown, i.e. no royal authority, only his lowly hatband. If a coin was called "queer as Dick's hatband", that meant it was counterfeit. I do see a connection with all 3 possible origins. Maybe if his enemies saw him as a timorous mouse, they saw themselves as cats, making fun of him just as cats play with mice before killing them. If so, no wonder he abdicated. The scared mouse had good reason to fear his time might be up, so he quit and ran away.
@acswebb
@acswebb 8 ай бұрын
You might want to look up the meaning of the word "darkling". It's not related to "darling", if that's what you're thinking.
@kurthaussecker
@kurthaussecker 10 ай бұрын
There is another meaning of the work "clock". In the 17th and 18th century, fashionable stockings had triangular gussets at the ankle often ornamented with embroidery called "clocks". A "mouse" running up a stockinged leg and leaving again in the wee hours of the morning could be a comment on the legitimacy of the children of some public figure at the time.
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 10 ай бұрын
That's a great observation! Thank you for sharing 🖤
@Templeborough
@Templeborough 10 ай бұрын
Yes, thank you. Another possible explanation.
@Haley497
@Haley497 10 ай бұрын
THIS is why I adore the darklings community! Wish we could create a club just for sharing our love and knowledge!
@an-tm3250
@an-tm3250 10 ай бұрын
Fascinating 😮
@clwest3538
@clwest3538 9 ай бұрын
When I was a kid in the early 60s, I loved rhymes and nursery stories. My parents had a complete selection of older books with them and I spent hours memorizing them (my poem for 3rd grade was The Owl and the Pussy Cat) ... later in life my mom suggested to me that most short rhymes were 'coded' messages - easy to remember, impossible to understand unless you were 'in the know' mostly about politics and 'royal families' - legitimacy of children, etc. ... I have no idea where she got that idea but she, like me, was a voracious reader - so probably in one of her books.
@maxst6647
@maxst6647 10 ай бұрын
It includes all three meanings, all at once. Like any piece of good writing, it need not confine itself to a single source of inspiration; one can read it on many levels, simultaneously, and I reckon this was the authors' (plural) intent. People in those days were far more subtle than we usually give them credit for, and this rhyme is no exception.
@peterfrance702
@peterfrance702 9 ай бұрын
Not only that, an author might draw on common memes or phrases of the time - play on them - to add power and resonance to their writing. So it was with this piece, drawing on a counting system no doubt installed in many young minds of the time.
@tinapuddin9923
@tinapuddin9923 10 ай бұрын
The one that always Disturbed me was the nursery rhyme the old woman in the shoe I would love to see you do a video on that one and what you think the meaning behind it is because it is kind of dark.
@freyatilly
@freyatilly 10 ай бұрын
It is available
@tashuntka
@tashuntka 10 ай бұрын
I can't find it... link please 🙏?
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 10 ай бұрын
I haven't made a video on it yet but it is in the pipeline! :) Thank you so much, glad you're enjoying my channel 🖤
@tinapuddin9923
@tinapuddin9923 10 ай бұрын
@@freyatilly I'm sure it is available I can Google it and see but I would like to hear the interpretation of it from this channel.
@sharonkaczorowski8690
@sharonkaczorowski8690 10 ай бұрын
Glad to know I’m not the only one who finds it creepy!
@tomking5855
@tomking5855 10 ай бұрын
The most logical and fitting origin of this child’s rhyme appears to me to be founded in the story of Richard Cromwell’s inglorious flight out of England. I thank you for your research and wonderful video production. Keep up the good work! ❤
@lindarichards2218
@lindarichards2218 10 ай бұрын
Very interesting. I'm going with the mice in the clock theory. I have to go see the oldest cat flap one day ( cat lover) but realistically it's probably about Richard Cromwell. Thanks for another great video. Hope your having a good start to the new year. 😁
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much, hope you've had a wonderful New Year too :) 🖤
@noreenclark2568
@noreenclark2568 10 ай бұрын
Most enjoyable, I was just thinking about Hickory Hickory Dock as a rhyme and wondered if there was a back story to it and hey presto there is. Thank you for letting us know about it. 😊
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 10 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! :) 🖤
@raclark2730
@raclark2730 8 ай бұрын
I just like that the cats were officially on the books and allocated a wage.
@SDC-s4e
@SDC-s4e 8 ай бұрын
Yes, but what did they spend their wages on?
@raclark2730
@raclark2730 8 ай бұрын
@@SDC-s4e Catnip. 😽
@superomegaprimemk2
@superomegaprimemk2 4 ай бұрын
​@user-yy5bk4eu8q Likely it was for their upkeep, grooming, a bed, and some food, I expect when the amount increased it was likely so that the older cat to teach the younger cat the tricks of the trade as the older cats become less active they are until a kitten enters their life to help rejuvenate them a bit, after all cats are fickle creatures that do what they want most of the time!!
@johnthomas189
@johnthomas189 10 ай бұрын
Well, you've done it again. Or should I write: You've done it well, again. Very well done, and thank you. Your insights into nursery (?) folklore are totally absorbing .
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 10 ай бұрын
Thank you! I'm so happy you enjoyed it :) 🖤
@brendanjohnston-z7d
@brendanjohnston-z7d 10 ай бұрын
You have the propensity of reminding me of the bits which are missing from the textual! Thank you, Resurrectionists.
@jcristi321
@jcristi321 10 ай бұрын
Makes sense to me. I hadn’t wondered about that rhyme yet. It seems so matter of fact. I love that counting method of the shepherds. I need a system like that. I dyed and then had to rewind a ball of crochet thread. A rhyme, plus a rock in my pocket would have been more efficient. 😉 Jan
@paulchambers3142
@paulchambers3142 10 ай бұрын
I'd like to vote for the Cromwell story....it certainly falls into place. Where does your accent come from? I know England but a little more precise would be great.....i really like your pronunciation! Great stories....very interesting and thoughtful 👏
@tashuntka
@tashuntka 10 ай бұрын
Yes-yes.....where's that accent from ? 🫶💖🫶
@leighfoulkes7297
@leighfoulkes7297 10 ай бұрын
Obviously, her accent is from deep within Scottland.
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much 🖤 I'm from York :)
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 10 ай бұрын
@leighfoulkes7297 😂 I do love the Scottish accent though!
@viennapalace
@viennapalace 10 ай бұрын
@@The-Resurrectionists So one could walk around in York & hear ladies speaking with that accent?! That's it... I'm moving to York!
@ashleymckeever4752
@ashleymckeever4752 10 ай бұрын
I love that you’re doing a nursery rhyme series. The one that has struck me as odd since watching your videos is Higgledy piggledy my black hen. Is there a chance you could do one for it in the future?? Thanks and I’m looking forward to what you add to there series next.
@jackbarnes8037
@jackbarnes8037 10 ай бұрын
I'd always been told that Hickory Dickory Dock and Eeny Meeny Miney Mo goes way back to ancient times, And was a type of counting used in divination to select sacrificial offerings
@RedheadLondon
@RedheadLondon 3 ай бұрын
Eeny Meeny was from slavery, I heard. Grab a N..... by the toe. Not PC these days.
@chrispetersen4863
@chrispetersen4863 10 ай бұрын
I always heard it as "and down he run" rather than "the mouse ran down" though I have seen it as the latter in old text when looking at it in later days. I always suspected it had something to do with Cromwell and the English Civil War, interesting to hear the potential links.
@ruthd7274
@ruthd7274 3 ай бұрын
Considering that these rhymes link to an oral tradition and a time when information had to be committed easily to memory, your version is just as valid as the documented one.
@morefiction3264
@morefiction3264 10 ай бұрын
I had heard 'hickory dickory dock' may be an ancient memory of a dozenal counting system meaning: 10, 11 and 12. This would make sense for an ancient rhyme counting hours up to 12.
@KabobHope
@KabobHope 8 ай бұрын
That seems likely. If hickory is 10, dickory 11, and dock 12 the striking of one would cause everything to start over. The word "dock" resembles "dozen" so I can see this being plausible.
@RedheadLondon
@RedheadLondon 3 ай бұрын
Where does the mouse come into it?
@morefiction3264
@morefiction3264 3 ай бұрын
@@RedheadLondon What else is small enough to run up a clock?
@RedheadLondon
@RedheadLondon 3 ай бұрын
@@morefiction3264 Spiders?
@morefiction3264
@morefiction3264 3 ай бұрын
@@RedheadLondon Doesn't scan.
@peregrinemccauley5010
@peregrinemccauley5010 9 ай бұрын
Time flew looking at these handy inventions. Though I wasn't geared up to watch such, with so minute a detail.
@costrio
@costrio 10 ай бұрын
I think the Richard Cromwell idea makes the most sense.I think that speaking aloud about political ideas back then could become dangerous if overheard. Rhymes were easy to remember and sing when in one's cups, with less fear of retribution, perhaps?
@5-minute-witness356
@5-minute-witness356 10 ай бұрын
This rhyme would not have been dangerous, as it mocked the one who fell from power, not the one who was in power and would have appreciated a good dig at Richard Cromwell when the rhyme was presumably composed.
@futatorius
@futatorius 10 ай бұрын
Another small piece of evidence is that Hick was a nickname for Richard at that time. And "dock" can mean "to cut short."
@colindeer9657
@colindeer9657 10 ай бұрын
Yes, I love being a Darkling too, I must admit. Been a while? You sound well. 😊 I am so pleased. I think Hickory Dickory is about your Mr. Cromwell . Mocking him and his departure. Thanks so much for another wonderful presentation. Loved it. Keep well and dry!
@TheSilmarillian
@TheSilmarillian 10 ай бұрын
Generationally transmitted memories may not be old folklore i my humble opinion , so many of there rhymes have a deeper meaning than on the surface many think they see, Great upload indeed hello from Australia.
@amalek2750
@amalek2750 10 ай бұрын
I am still most haunted by "Rock A Bye Baby". Any possibility of exploring that one. Please and thank you.
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 10 ай бұрын
It's coming soon I promise! :)
@amalek2750
@amalek2750 10 ай бұрын
@@The-Resurrectionists Yay! Thank you!💖
@petercaulf
@petercaulf 5 күн бұрын
It's got to be the Cromwell explanation; to me it really resonates. I recently discovered your channel and as a lover of history's backstories I love your content. Thank you. How about a live stream so we can discuss these kinds of topics with you.
@alfeersum
@alfeersum 10 ай бұрын
"... the ink on history's pages were freshly stained with the blood of a civil war." Love it!
@WelderBarbie100
@WelderBarbie100 9 ай бұрын
Right?! I came here to say this. That line is pure poetry.
@patricedesvarieux2856
@patricedesvarieux2856 10 ай бұрын
Happy New Year, The Resurrectionists! This was a great video. I didn’t know anything about the origins of (or that there were any origins) of Hickory Dickory Dock. I should know better now. I truly found everything fascinating and I really can’t choose which one resonated with me. Thank you again.
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 10 ай бұрын
Happy new year! :) Hope you're keeping well. You're very welcome! I'm so glad you enjoyed it :) 🖤
@reactiontoeffectiveenemyfire
@reactiontoeffectiveenemyfire 8 ай бұрын
I absolutely love English history ❤
@memorylayne78
@memorylayne78 10 ай бұрын
I believe the #3 is probably the inspiration for this rhyme, as it seems political commentary was the base for so many other nursery rhymes. I do love the information about the cathedral clock. I had not heard about it before.
@Dav1Gv
@Dav1Gv 8 ай бұрын
Only just come across this channel. Thanks for a fascinating and well produced video. Personally I'd go with the Richard Cromwell theory,
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 7 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you so much for watching :) 🖤
@franceshorton918
@franceshorton918 10 ай бұрын
Things change ove time. My thoughts are that the rhyme began as a shepherd's counting technique from ancient times when the Brythonic regional language was used, or well remembered. Then, in Exeter Cathedral, there definitely was a rodent problem, and a witty gloss was put onto an old Shepherd's rhyme. Then later on still, the English Civil War, the Regicide of Charles 1st, the brief Republic, and the even more brief story of Richard Cromwell. Another gloss on the already old original rhyme. All three usages are probably valid. Myself, I prefer *1 and *2 as more likely to be original. Thanks for excellent research! ❤ 🖤
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 10 ай бұрын
You're very welcome! I'm so happy you enjoyed it :) 🖤
@susanbutler2542
@susanbutler2542 10 ай бұрын
Good morning from Snowy Northern, Nevada. I hope you have a wonderful day.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 10 ай бұрын
Thank you! :) I hope you're having a wonderful day too! 🖤
@susanbutler2542
@susanbutler2542 10 ай бұрын
@@The-Resurrectionists 💚💜💙🩵
@ringo688
@ringo688 10 ай бұрын
Maybe its a combination of all three, adapting with time with the last version being the final draught?
@mikebreaton7910
@mikebreaton7910 8 ай бұрын
It's entirely possible that it's a combination of all three origins -- things like nursery rhymes, folktales, and myths seldom have only one simple explanation. This was a fun video.
@Christmascancelled
@Christmascancelled 3 күн бұрын
3 rd. this women has a marvellous English voice. I bet she can sing well also.
@justincasey5975
@justincasey5975 8 ай бұрын
Absolutely fascinating and I adore your English accent, carry on my friend, all the very best from Manchester UK.
@jennywallis65
@jennywallis65 10 ай бұрын
Fascinating, always loved unusual historic facts + the macabre, great stories.
@InimicalWit
@InimicalWit 10 ай бұрын
8:19 I think it’s probably a mix of some of the things you mentioned, as well as some others we just can’t know anymore. I come to this, actually, by your final theory, about the political satire. So being, it could easily have drawn on various cultural influences to create a rhyme that resonated well; in which case, all the cultural resonance would be the reason it was popular beyond its context (which only need be a few years, at most) -only to prove that without its context, it’s still a good and worthy rhyme Interesting video. Thanks for making this 💙
@martinphilip8998
@martinphilip8998 10 ай бұрын
My sister’s home in Musselburg, Scotland was used by Cromwell when his campaign burned down the rest of the area. His library is now my sister’s kitchen. It’s the only warm room in this huge house. Inveresk House
@mauricegold9377
@mauricegold9377 9 ай бұрын
Musselburgh I think you meant.
@martinphilip8998
@martinphilip8998 9 ай бұрын
@@mauricegold9377 Yes. I’d have done much worse if her home were in Wales. Broken alphabet there 😂.
@viennapalace
@viennapalace 10 ай бұрын
I always imagined this nursery rhyme was some how related to the plague years but your explanations make much more sense, as usual. Number one does seem the most plausible until you take into account human nature, which immediately promotes the third theory to the "most likely" position. Thanks for another wonderfully thought provoking video!
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 10 ай бұрын
You're very welcome! I'm so happy you enjoyed it :) 🖤
@viennapalace
@viennapalace 10 ай бұрын
@@The-Resurrectionists And I love how you always use the "black heart" when answering comments from your darklings. Deliciously appropriate! 🖤
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 10 ай бұрын
🖤🖤🖤
@TheFirstManticore
@TheFirstManticore 10 ай бұрын
The best possibility is that all three have some relevance to the rhyme, which would increase its resonance in the population. Hickory Dick, of course, is the most exciting one.
@martineldritch
@martineldritch 10 ай бұрын
"Tumbledown Dick" is the name of a mountain in New Hampshire popular with rock climbers. I climbed it once. Nice to know where the name comes from !
@marklmansfield
@marklmansfield 10 ай бұрын
Richard = Dick ?
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 10 ай бұрын
@marklmansfield Yes exactly, 'Dick' is a nickname for 'Richard'
@popshaines5492
@popshaines5492 10 ай бұрын
Tumble Down Dick is the name given by locals to the road running between the villages of Cumnor and Farmoor near Oxford.
@barbaramoran8690
@barbaramoran8690 10 ай бұрын
How did Shepards stay awake when they counted their (yawn) sheep
@dirremoire
@dirremoire 10 ай бұрын
😂
@scfrhc9131
@scfrhc9131 7 ай бұрын
Probably all three explanations provide a source of substance for the rhythm in different ways…as you have suggested
@Dr_Coe
@Dr_Coe 10 ай бұрын
Yet another exceptional video. I love this. Please continue.
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 10 ай бұрын
Thank you! I'm so happy you enjoyed it :) 🖤
@Krullmatic
@Krullmatic 4 ай бұрын
This is one of my favorite rhymes!
@rmkenney
@rmkenney 9 ай бұрын
Ha! Considering the dissension between commenters about which source is correct, this makes it easy to understand why historians are split as well.
@gwendolynlathe5415
@gwendolynlathe5415 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing the most interesting. History of the rhymes stories.
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 9 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it :)
@Templeborough
@Templeborough 10 ай бұрын
I think the Tumbledown Dick Cromwell explanation carries most weight with me. Still one or two pubs of that name, at least until recently when the whole country started to tumble down!
@stephenconnolly1830
@stephenconnolly1830 8 ай бұрын
Wonderful tale which rings true (about Richard Cromwell). Now do some due diligence on the nursery rhyme "Three blind mice." That's also an eye opener.
@chrisdorrell1
@chrisdorrell1 8 ай бұрын
This channel is the VERY best on YT I looked for an X (twitter) feed so I could follow and encourage others to watch but alas ? I adore the brilliance. Its the adult Horrible Histories that btw is a MASSIVE compliment. Such a fantastic voice too. Late night TV show needed for this young lady are you listening tv producers?
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 8 ай бұрын
Thank you! That's a huge compliment; I still enjoy watching Horrible Histories! :) And I would absolutely love a TV show, if any producers are watching! 🖤
@SearchIndex
@SearchIndex 10 ай бұрын
My mother was a farmer’s daughter from County Mayo Ireland and always did her math in Gaelic out loud like the old counting method mentioned in this video
@ringo1692
@ringo1692 5 ай бұрын
I just found this channel and its definatly a great find, thanks for all your hard work hunting down the origins of these rhymes! I do have to ask yall am i the only one thats hearing The Diceman saying his version of them at first? Lmfao ✌️😜👍🤣😂😂
@reverbscherzo7850
@reverbscherzo7850 10 ай бұрын
I'm of the mind that both are true. It wouldn't be the first time that an existing song or poem was reworded slightly to become a satirical song or poem about something else.
@ChunksPlace
@ChunksPlace 10 ай бұрын
Yayyyy you're back! Another awesome video, loved it
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much :) 🖤
@krs4976
@krs4976 10 ай бұрын
The 3rd theory sounds the most plausible to me. Especially considering how many pubs there were named tumbledown dick so it definitely has a point of widespread mockery. Ive always liked the story behind humpty dumpty. The tale of a legendary cannon. How it became a egg is beyond me 🤷 Or jack and jill which is about the fall of mankind from Christ conciousness
@gordonbrandt9739
@gordonbrandt9739 10 ай бұрын
No known version prior to the one printed in 1744 gives the Cromwell theory the most likely explanation..
@marcbelisle5685
@marcbelisle5685 9 ай бұрын
I like to think that part of the fun of these was that they had multiple interpretations, and that they were referencing old and new things. They weren’t meant to be picked apart and interrogated but to be appreciated on multiple levels.
@GuineaPig361
@GuineaPig361 10 ай бұрын
I grew up with a different version of it; "Hickory dickory dock, the mouse ran up the clock. The man in brown soon brought him down, hickory dickory dock."
@marklmansfield
@marklmansfield 10 ай бұрын
That may suggest the Richard version .
@garryperrin2408
@garryperrin2408 9 ай бұрын
That was good, especially the last explanation. I’m going to read up.
@OldSchool1947
@OldSchool1947 10 ай бұрын
Beautiful, historical images.
@kennyshortcake999
@kennyshortcake999 10 ай бұрын
Excellent 🎉 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Well done .. Jake Thackeray sung about that Yorkshire sheep counting style 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 10 ай бұрын
Yes, I love listening to him sing 'Molly Metcalfe' 🖤 I've linked it in my video description, but just in case anyone else is interested, here is a video of Jake Thackray talking about 'Yan Tan Tethera' : kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipq7eoGrm5qhmKs I'm so happy you enjoyed the video :)
@colmanpm
@colmanpm 8 ай бұрын
Fascinating food for thought. Thank you.
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 8 ай бұрын
You're welcome! I'm so happy you enjoyed it :) 🖤
@colmanpm
@colmanpm 8 ай бұрын
@@The-Resurrectionists I did Darkling. 💜
@debbralehrman5957
@debbralehrman5957 8 ай бұрын
I like the first story. As a bit of history. But do think it was the last one. Thanks 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@ikarus_incarnate
@ikarus_incarnate 10 ай бұрын
As always, fascinating ! Residing as I do, obviously I am going to go with the Exeter cathedral... Cant wait for the next one
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 10 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! :) 🖤
@christait2549
@christait2549 10 ай бұрын
Very interesting and really well presented! 😄
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much :) 🖤
@qzorn4440
@qzorn4440 8 ай бұрын
The mouse had a relative in America called Mickey and lived in Hollywood. 🐭 Great explanation, thank you.
@malone1todd
@malone1todd 9 ай бұрын
In a suburb of New Orleans, there are streets called, Hickory, the next called Dickory and the next is called Dock
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 9 ай бұрын
oh wow! Love that! :) 🖤
@hurnethehunter
@hurnethehunter 10 ай бұрын
The clock struck one...Why one, why not two or three or four. Could it be the time of an execution? and in the old version it say the mouse fell down. Could it reference the gallows or axe?
@scottw.3258
@scottw.3258 10 ай бұрын
There were versions where the number the clock struck were non sequential. For instance, verse one could be... "the clock struck 10, the mouse ran down"... Some versions a mouse isn't even mentioned, it may say "the clock struck 10, and down he ran", or "he ran down".
@5-minute-witness356
@5-minute-witness356 10 ай бұрын
I think the same.
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing your insights; I definitely see how that would fit the rhyme perfectly!
@garypautard1069
@garypautard1069 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for keeping the Civil War aspect historically accurate. I did know some rhymes had a truth hidden ,such as Ring a Ring of Roses which was tied to the Black Death.
@dereksollows9783
@dereksollows9783 8 ай бұрын
My mother used this one: "trot ye off to Boston, trot ye off to Lynn. Look out little child, or you might fall in" It was recited while a child was bounced on the adults knee and holding the adults thumbs as reins. The knee was lowered as the words "fall in" were emphasized. Her family were among the early English colonists of the Americas and it seems to have survived down to my generation across all of the descendants. It is repeated a lot less often these days due to smaller families and is probably in danger of disappearing. We always assumed that the bridge between Boston and Lynn must have been dangerous.
@jeffreyoneill6439
@jeffreyoneill6439 10 ай бұрын
Wonderful. So thrilled to meet you.
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! I'm so happy you enjoyed :)
@zevfarkas5120
@zevfarkas5120 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for an enlightening view of the darker parts of childhood. ;)
@kickpublishing
@kickpublishing 8 ай бұрын
I believe nursery rhymes are a capsule for encoding profound information in a highly memorable story that appeals to the simplest of us, even children.
@slybri5751
@slybri5751 7 ай бұрын
I go with Cromwell ❤️🌏⭐💚 AWESOME.loved that. 🙉🙈🙊
@zebra3519
@zebra3519 8 ай бұрын
What a lovely magical channel. Just popped up. Nice.
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 8 ай бұрын
Thank you so much :) 🖤
@zebra3519
@zebra3519 8 ай бұрын
@@The-Resurrectionists You have a lovely voice to match. Love to see a piece on Rumpelstiltskin. Thanks.
@robch4414
@robch4414 9 ай бұрын
I can't remember which radio comedy programme it was, but one of the immortal lines was: (character explaining problem to tree surgeon) "my hickory's a bit dickery, doc". Writer maybe Denis Norden, Barry Cryer?
@neilengel3715
@neilengel3715 9 ай бұрын
Fascinating!!!! Love your voice too!
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 9 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! :) 🖤
@TheSteveBoyd
@TheSteveBoyd 10 ай бұрын
"Humpty Dumpty" is about a cannon, so the story of Richard Cromwell seems the most plausible to me (like I know anything!). Could "ran up the clock" be a variant of the euphemism, "ran out the clock", as in "ran out of time"?
@kentjensen4939
@kentjensen4939 10 ай бұрын
I like the spoof, where three mice run up, the clock strikes one and the other two escape with minor injuries.
@AlanBoddy-fl2qp
@AlanBoddy-fl2qp 8 ай бұрын
We used to play the game in England where we all held hands in a circle and sang.... Ring a ring a roses a pocket full of poses,👍 Plus Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pale of waterjJill came down with half crown and it wasn't for carrying water 😅😅😅😅😅😮😮
@davepowell7168
@davepowell7168 8 ай бұрын
When?
@juliejohnson3835
@juliejohnson3835 9 ай бұрын
I was always weirded out by ring around the rosies, a nursery rhyme about the black death.
@Ascent-jz7fz
@Ascent-jz7fz 7 ай бұрын
Great video
@The-Resurrectionists
@The-Resurrectionists 7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much :) 🖤
@nicholasconder4703
@nicholasconder4703 8 ай бұрын
Considering that most English nursery rhymes deal with political events (Mary, Mary, quite contrary = Mary Queen of Scots; Little Jack Horner = passing of church deeds to Henry VIII, etc.), the interpretation that this rhyme deals with Richard Cromwell is probably correct.
@briandonovan5687
@briandonovan5687 8 ай бұрын
I always was partial to the Andrew Dice Clays version 😊
@sdnlawrence5640
@sdnlawrence5640 10 ай бұрын
That was very interesting. Thank you
@johnsavers1168
@johnsavers1168 8 ай бұрын
I do believe that the famous rhyme involved metaphorically Cromwell, his son and Charles II. On January 1, 1651 Charles became king of Scotland at Scone. The words "one" and "Scone" rhyme, and, according to dialect, might well be sounded rather alike. Also, note the prominence of "one" in the date provided for Charles' crowning. While in this frame of mind, consider that when one Cromwell fell after his alloted time, another Cromwell climbed to number one. As I considered these possible elements, it occurred to me that a Catholic might be stylized "cat." There is a rumor that Charles II converted to Catholicism upon his deathbed. He didn't appear to fancy Scottish Presbyterian practices, and the Stuart family had Catholic roots. With all these elements, I, indeed, see the mouse as "MacCromwell" and the "clock struck one" (Scone) as referencing Charles II's crowning as king (Scotland) and eventual return as King of England, which was all executed using the colorful history of the church, its clock, its bell, its unwelcomed mice and lastly its resort to a cat (Catholic) to chase away the mice.
@robertbate5790
@robertbate5790 8 ай бұрын
From mice to Cromwell, quite a choice. The sheep counting sounds the most plausible to me, but the tale of young Cromwell also has strong merit. If have read of his undesrability before. Perhaps he jumped before he was pushed. Food for thought.
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