The Young Cromwell explanation rings true for me, although I wouldn’t call what he did cowardly. Sadly our modern leaders do not consider their mediocrity to be a bar to their attaining high office.
@pashakdescilly751710 ай бұрын
The mediocre fight to gain positions of power and hold on to them as long as they can
@rogerclark928510 ай бұрын
Who among them rises to the level of mediocrity?
@squiresquiffy372810 ай бұрын
@@rogerclark9285 yes indeed, who!?
@rathertiredofthemess284110 ай бұрын
Well? If all the mediocrity resigned, white folks would have no one speaking for them.
@rathertiredofthemess284110 ай бұрын
@@rogerclark9285well as a Native American, England did not send its brightest nor its best. So what part of that confused you?
@ThaShortGame7 ай бұрын
Hands down, one of the best offerings KZbin hides...
@fabiosplendido953610 ай бұрын
For what it's worth I'd say #3 is the meaning and #2 is the reason for its structure.
@alisonfraser823110 ай бұрын
Yes, an artist rarely has a single inspiration. But the fact that he was known as hickory Dick can’t be ignored.
@mdeeaonetwothree51629 ай бұрын
It’s like a meme on TikTok, using a Taylor Swift song
@lauradavison404410 ай бұрын
As a retired nursery teacher I love these ideas about the origins of Nursery Rhymes.
@EduardQualls10 ай бұрын
This is interesting because my mother would entertain me as a child with the _yan, tan, tither, ..._ counting words. Mind you, this was in the hills of central Arkansas during the late 1950's, early '60's. During high school, by which time I'd become very interested in British Literature & English linguistics, I noticed my (relatively uneducated) mother using Elizabethan words or turns of phrase--her paternal line goes back through Appalachia to the mid-1600's in early North Carolina and Virginia, so her memory of English country customs does not surprise me. Beyond that, having started speaking French at 10 years of age, I actually learned the clock-rhyme in that language: _Higoré, digoré, doge. / Le rat monte à l'horloge. / Une heure frappe; / Le rat s'échappe. / Higoré, digoré, doge._ (I don't remember its source.)
@zaphodthenth10 ай бұрын
Looking at the first line of this rhyme in another language, it is very easy to conclude that "Hickory Dickory Dock" is an anglicized version of it.
@Haley49710 ай бұрын
We shall never know wether the original was French or English, the French one could well be a fabulous translation that kept faithful to the rhyme ❤
@arneherstad219810 ай бұрын
I met a guy with an English accent in Oregon 50 years ago. I asked what part of England he was from. "Arkansas" he replied. True story.
@lunchymunchy298410 ай бұрын
That’s pretty cool
@lunchymunchy298410 ай бұрын
@@arneherstad2198of course lots of modern us place names are taken rom English lace names... ot sure about Arkansas though.. sounds more like a Native American word to me for no reason I can articulate😅
@deewesthill121310 ай бұрын
There is a children's counting out rhyme that (as i recall) goes: "Intery, mintery, cuttery, corn, apple seed and apple thorn. Wire, briar, limber, lock. Three geese in a flock. One flew east and one flew west and one flew over the cuckoo's nest. Out goes you!". (At the end the kid saying the rhyme points their finger at the kid counted out). I hope you can do a show on that one!
@@RedactedcommentMan One potato, two potato, three potato, four. Five potato, six potato, seven potato, more! 🥔🥔🥔🥔🥔🥔🥔.....
@nomadpi19 ай бұрын
Thank you for your comment. At 79 yrs old, I often wondered, but never searched for these item's origins. I know from a biography of a teacher, at Roswell, NM, who used the the "Three geese.in a flock..." to skip rope, but you supplied me more info. Now, got any info on my maternal grandmother (Texas raised) who used a rhyme on my mother, " Bunny rabbit, bunny rabbit, your tail's sure white, "Yes by golly, it snowed last night...?"
@YSLRD9 ай бұрын
My Tennessee hills mom taught it to us without the first line. I haven't heard that for many years.
@joywebster26788 ай бұрын
Haven't heard that one since my grandparents would say it they were born late 1800s in England. Many of the original fairy tales ( vs disney) and nursery rhymes learned from them. The emigrated from Britain to Canada during the great depression.
@ice9snowflake18710 ай бұрын
It's about Cromwell probably, using the cathedral clock's varmint problem as a metaphor, and some common folk knowledge of the old counting-rhyme system.
@deniaridley8 ай бұрын
My thought exactly.
@wsotw22188 ай бұрын
Yes a combination of the 3 would be likely, as it's smart word play, and all 3 would have been fairly common information around the time. But Cromwell being the reason for the rhyme's creation.
@ruthd72743 ай бұрын
yes. this! Typical of the English sense of humour.
@FelixstoweFoamForge10 ай бұрын
Now that is interesting. I'd never considered that "Tumbledown Dick" could have been the inspiration for this seemingly nonsense rhyme. Makes sense though, most nursery rhymes are about public events, so it fits.
@random_adventuring10 ай бұрын
I vote for #3. I think it's cheeky British humour of the time
@davidarundel618710 ай бұрын
All 3 readings , have their merits . The Exeter Cathedrals clock , is quite a Beautiful instrument and helpful . Thank you for your insights .
@The-Resurrectionists10 ай бұрын
You're very welcome! I'm so happy you enjoyed it :) 🖤
@futatorius10 ай бұрын
The ancient catflap is a more popular tourist attraction. People have asked me for directions to it (I live in Exeter). The vaulting in the cathedral is far more worth seeing though.
@loyalrammy10 ай бұрын
I thing the Oliver Cromwell theory sounds the best, although the clock and cat story is very fun.
@richardglady300910 ай бұрын
Thank you for this fine video. Thanks for, objectively, providing the three theories. Lots of great research and visuals. Well and professionally produced.
@The-Resurrectionists10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much :) 🖤
@dr.s.p.10 ай бұрын
Hickere, Dickere Dock The mice ran up the clock. The clock “struck” one! The rest got away with minor injuries. Oh, Hickere, Dickere Dock
@LoneYukon9 ай бұрын
WHOA! Dice it up some more, will ya!
@deewesthill12139 ай бұрын
🐀 🐀 🐀 🐀 🐀 🐀 ⏰ 😼😆
@Louis-kk3to9 ай бұрын
That's my favorite version of this rime 😂👍
@daithimacansaor54548 ай бұрын
And i had unwittingly assumed i was the first to write the lines 5 years ago, that is, mice plural and the final as"the other one escaped with light injuries" ,
@Tekoa808 ай бұрын
I remember my mum adding that line years ago, when I was little 😂 She also used to say... Hey diddle diddle, The cat did a tiddle All over the living room floor. The little dog laughed To see so much fun, So the cat did a little bit more! 😂
@nolaparton-jones89328 ай бұрын
Your voice is very pleasant to listen to. And your research into the facts of these incidences is very good and appreciated. It is fascinating to learn about all of these historical facts. I believe this one to be about Richard Cromwell. It makes the most sense of the three, although all are fascinating!! Thank you for your channel, I have subscribed!! I have always been fascinated by nursery rhymes and committed to memory a great many of them, so to learn about their possible origins intrigues me!!
@marcduhamel-guitar19859 ай бұрын
The Cromwell explanation seems to make the most sense to me- a rhythmic taunt.
@JungleJoeVN10 ай бұрын
I love being referred to as a Darkling along with the rest of your viewers; it's so sweet. I think it was about the clock. The original rhyme has the word dicke which is an old German word for thick or fat. So, this would go along with the animal fat used in the clock.
@The-Resurrectionists10 ай бұрын
That's a great observation! Thank you for sharing 🖤 :)
@laicamusic110 ай бұрын
I also think it's the clock, and I think it's based on the sound that an old clock mechanism makes
@deewesthill121310 ай бұрын
Allegedly Richard Cromwell's enemies called him "Queen Dick" and referred to "Dick's hatband", which meant he had no crown, i.e. no royal authority, only his lowly hatband. If a coin was called "queer as Dick's hatband", that meant it was counterfeit. I do see a connection with all 3 possible origins. Maybe if his enemies saw him as a timorous mouse, they saw themselves as cats, making fun of him just as cats play with mice before killing them. If so, no wonder he abdicated. The scared mouse had good reason to fear his time might be up, so he quit and ran away.
@acswebb8 ай бұрын
You might want to look up the meaning of the word "darkling". It's not related to "darling", if that's what you're thinking.
@kurthaussecker10 ай бұрын
There is another meaning of the work "clock". In the 17th and 18th century, fashionable stockings had triangular gussets at the ankle often ornamented with embroidery called "clocks". A "mouse" running up a stockinged leg and leaving again in the wee hours of the morning could be a comment on the legitimacy of the children of some public figure at the time.
@The-Resurrectionists10 ай бұрын
That's a great observation! Thank you for sharing 🖤
@Templeborough10 ай бұрын
Yes, thank you. Another possible explanation.
@Haley49710 ай бұрын
THIS is why I adore the darklings community! Wish we could create a club just for sharing our love and knowledge!
@an-tm325010 ай бұрын
Fascinating 😮
@clwest35389 ай бұрын
When I was a kid in the early 60s, I loved rhymes and nursery stories. My parents had a complete selection of older books with them and I spent hours memorizing them (my poem for 3rd grade was The Owl and the Pussy Cat) ... later in life my mom suggested to me that most short rhymes were 'coded' messages - easy to remember, impossible to understand unless you were 'in the know' mostly about politics and 'royal families' - legitimacy of children, etc. ... I have no idea where she got that idea but she, like me, was a voracious reader - so probably in one of her books.
@maxst664710 ай бұрын
It includes all three meanings, all at once. Like any piece of good writing, it need not confine itself to a single source of inspiration; one can read it on many levels, simultaneously, and I reckon this was the authors' (plural) intent. People in those days were far more subtle than we usually give them credit for, and this rhyme is no exception.
@peterfrance7029 ай бұрын
Not only that, an author might draw on common memes or phrases of the time - play on them - to add power and resonance to their writing. So it was with this piece, drawing on a counting system no doubt installed in many young minds of the time.
@tinapuddin992310 ай бұрын
The one that always Disturbed me was the nursery rhyme the old woman in the shoe I would love to see you do a video on that one and what you think the meaning behind it is because it is kind of dark.
@freyatilly10 ай бұрын
It is available
@tashuntka10 ай бұрын
I can't find it... link please 🙏?
@The-Resurrectionists10 ай бұрын
I haven't made a video on it yet but it is in the pipeline! :) Thank you so much, glad you're enjoying my channel 🖤
@tinapuddin992310 ай бұрын
@@freyatilly I'm sure it is available I can Google it and see but I would like to hear the interpretation of it from this channel.
@sharonkaczorowski869010 ай бұрын
Glad to know I’m not the only one who finds it creepy!
@tomking585510 ай бұрын
The most logical and fitting origin of this child’s rhyme appears to me to be founded in the story of Richard Cromwell’s inglorious flight out of England. I thank you for your research and wonderful video production. Keep up the good work! ❤
@lindarichards221810 ай бұрын
Very interesting. I'm going with the mice in the clock theory. I have to go see the oldest cat flap one day ( cat lover) but realistically it's probably about Richard Cromwell. Thanks for another great video. Hope your having a good start to the new year. 😁
@The-Resurrectionists10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much, hope you've had a wonderful New Year too :) 🖤
@noreenclark256810 ай бұрын
Most enjoyable, I was just thinking about Hickory Hickory Dock as a rhyme and wondered if there was a back story to it and hey presto there is. Thank you for letting us know about it. 😊
@The-Resurrectionists10 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! :) 🖤
@raclark27308 ай бұрын
I just like that the cats were officially on the books and allocated a wage.
@SDC-s4e8 ай бұрын
Yes, but what did they spend their wages on?
@raclark27308 ай бұрын
@@SDC-s4e Catnip. 😽
@superomegaprimemk24 ай бұрын
@user-yy5bk4eu8q Likely it was for their upkeep, grooming, a bed, and some food, I expect when the amount increased it was likely so that the older cat to teach the younger cat the tricks of the trade as the older cats become less active they are until a kitten enters their life to help rejuvenate them a bit, after all cats are fickle creatures that do what they want most of the time!!
@johnthomas18910 ай бұрын
Well, you've done it again. Or should I write: You've done it well, again. Very well done, and thank you. Your insights into nursery (?) folklore are totally absorbing .
@The-Resurrectionists10 ай бұрын
Thank you! I'm so happy you enjoyed it :) 🖤
@brendanjohnston-z7d10 ай бұрын
You have the propensity of reminding me of the bits which are missing from the textual! Thank you, Resurrectionists.
@jcristi32110 ай бұрын
Makes sense to me. I hadn’t wondered about that rhyme yet. It seems so matter of fact. I love that counting method of the shepherds. I need a system like that. I dyed and then had to rewind a ball of crochet thread. A rhyme, plus a rock in my pocket would have been more efficient. 😉 Jan
@paulchambers314210 ай бұрын
I'd like to vote for the Cromwell story....it certainly falls into place. Where does your accent come from? I know England but a little more precise would be great.....i really like your pronunciation! Great stories....very interesting and thoughtful 👏
@tashuntka10 ай бұрын
Yes-yes.....where's that accent from ? 🫶💖🫶
@leighfoulkes729710 ай бұрын
Obviously, her accent is from deep within Scottland.
@The-Resurrectionists10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much 🖤 I'm from York :)
@The-Resurrectionists10 ай бұрын
@leighfoulkes7297 😂 I do love the Scottish accent though!
@viennapalace10 ай бұрын
@@The-Resurrectionists So one could walk around in York & hear ladies speaking with that accent?! That's it... I'm moving to York!
@ashleymckeever475210 ай бұрын
I love that you’re doing a nursery rhyme series. The one that has struck me as odd since watching your videos is Higgledy piggledy my black hen. Is there a chance you could do one for it in the future?? Thanks and I’m looking forward to what you add to there series next.
@jackbarnes803710 ай бұрын
I'd always been told that Hickory Dickory Dock and Eeny Meeny Miney Mo goes way back to ancient times, And was a type of counting used in divination to select sacrificial offerings
@RedheadLondon3 ай бұрын
Eeny Meeny was from slavery, I heard. Grab a N..... by the toe. Not PC these days.
@chrispetersen486310 ай бұрын
I always heard it as "and down he run" rather than "the mouse ran down" though I have seen it as the latter in old text when looking at it in later days. I always suspected it had something to do with Cromwell and the English Civil War, interesting to hear the potential links.
@ruthd72743 ай бұрын
Considering that these rhymes link to an oral tradition and a time when information had to be committed easily to memory, your version is just as valid as the documented one.
@morefiction326410 ай бұрын
I had heard 'hickory dickory dock' may be an ancient memory of a dozenal counting system meaning: 10, 11 and 12. This would make sense for an ancient rhyme counting hours up to 12.
@KabobHope8 ай бұрын
That seems likely. If hickory is 10, dickory 11, and dock 12 the striking of one would cause everything to start over. The word "dock" resembles "dozen" so I can see this being plausible.
@RedheadLondon3 ай бұрын
Where does the mouse come into it?
@morefiction32643 ай бұрын
@@RedheadLondon What else is small enough to run up a clock?
@RedheadLondon3 ай бұрын
@@morefiction3264 Spiders?
@morefiction32643 ай бұрын
@@RedheadLondon Doesn't scan.
@peregrinemccauley50109 ай бұрын
Time flew looking at these handy inventions. Though I wasn't geared up to watch such, with so minute a detail.
@costrio10 ай бұрын
I think the Richard Cromwell idea makes the most sense.I think that speaking aloud about political ideas back then could become dangerous if overheard. Rhymes were easy to remember and sing when in one's cups, with less fear of retribution, perhaps?
@5-minute-witness35610 ай бұрын
This rhyme would not have been dangerous, as it mocked the one who fell from power, not the one who was in power and would have appreciated a good dig at Richard Cromwell when the rhyme was presumably composed.
@futatorius10 ай бұрын
Another small piece of evidence is that Hick was a nickname for Richard at that time. And "dock" can mean "to cut short."
@colindeer965710 ай бұрын
Yes, I love being a Darkling too, I must admit. Been a while? You sound well. 😊 I am so pleased. I think Hickory Dickory is about your Mr. Cromwell . Mocking him and his departure. Thanks so much for another wonderful presentation. Loved it. Keep well and dry!
@TheSilmarillian10 ай бұрын
Generationally transmitted memories may not be old folklore i my humble opinion , so many of there rhymes have a deeper meaning than on the surface many think they see, Great upload indeed hello from Australia.
@amalek275010 ай бұрын
I am still most haunted by "Rock A Bye Baby". Any possibility of exploring that one. Please and thank you.
@The-Resurrectionists10 ай бұрын
It's coming soon I promise! :)
@amalek275010 ай бұрын
@@The-Resurrectionists Yay! Thank you!💖
@petercaulf5 күн бұрын
It's got to be the Cromwell explanation; to me it really resonates. I recently discovered your channel and as a lover of history's backstories I love your content. Thank you. How about a live stream so we can discuss these kinds of topics with you.
@alfeersum10 ай бұрын
"... the ink on history's pages were freshly stained with the blood of a civil war." Love it!
@WelderBarbie1009 ай бұрын
Right?! I came here to say this. That line is pure poetry.
@patricedesvarieux285610 ай бұрын
Happy New Year, The Resurrectionists! This was a great video. I didn’t know anything about the origins of (or that there were any origins) of Hickory Dickory Dock. I should know better now. I truly found everything fascinating and I really can’t choose which one resonated with me. Thank you again.
@The-Resurrectionists10 ай бұрын
Happy new year! :) Hope you're keeping well. You're very welcome! I'm so glad you enjoyed it :) 🖤
@reactiontoeffectiveenemyfire8 ай бұрын
I absolutely love English history ❤
@memorylayne7810 ай бұрын
I believe the #3 is probably the inspiration for this rhyme, as it seems political commentary was the base for so many other nursery rhymes. I do love the information about the cathedral clock. I had not heard about it before.
@Dav1Gv8 ай бұрын
Only just come across this channel. Thanks for a fascinating and well produced video. Personally I'd go with the Richard Cromwell theory,
@The-Resurrectionists7 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you so much for watching :) 🖤
@franceshorton91810 ай бұрын
Things change ove time. My thoughts are that the rhyme began as a shepherd's counting technique from ancient times when the Brythonic regional language was used, or well remembered. Then, in Exeter Cathedral, there definitely was a rodent problem, and a witty gloss was put onto an old Shepherd's rhyme. Then later on still, the English Civil War, the Regicide of Charles 1st, the brief Republic, and the even more brief story of Richard Cromwell. Another gloss on the already old original rhyme. All three usages are probably valid. Myself, I prefer *1 and *2 as more likely to be original. Thanks for excellent research! ❤ 🖤
@The-Resurrectionists10 ай бұрын
You're very welcome! I'm so happy you enjoyed it :) 🖤
@susanbutler254210 ай бұрын
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@The-Resurrectionists10 ай бұрын
Thank you! :) I hope you're having a wonderful day too! 🖤
@susanbutler254210 ай бұрын
@@The-Resurrectionists 💚💜💙🩵
@ringo68810 ай бұрын
Maybe its a combination of all three, adapting with time with the last version being the final draught?
@mikebreaton79108 ай бұрын
It's entirely possible that it's a combination of all three origins -- things like nursery rhymes, folktales, and myths seldom have only one simple explanation. This was a fun video.
@Christmascancelled3 күн бұрын
3 rd. this women has a marvellous English voice. I bet she can sing well also.
@justincasey59758 ай бұрын
Absolutely fascinating and I adore your English accent, carry on my friend, all the very best from Manchester UK.
@jennywallis6510 ай бұрын
Fascinating, always loved unusual historic facts + the macabre, great stories.
@InimicalWit10 ай бұрын
8:19 I think it’s probably a mix of some of the things you mentioned, as well as some others we just can’t know anymore. I come to this, actually, by your final theory, about the political satire. So being, it could easily have drawn on various cultural influences to create a rhyme that resonated well; in which case, all the cultural resonance would be the reason it was popular beyond its context (which only need be a few years, at most) -only to prove that without its context, it’s still a good and worthy rhyme Interesting video. Thanks for making this 💙
@martinphilip899810 ай бұрын
My sister’s home in Musselburg, Scotland was used by Cromwell when his campaign burned down the rest of the area. His library is now my sister’s kitchen. It’s the only warm room in this huge house. Inveresk House
@mauricegold93779 ай бұрын
Musselburgh I think you meant.
@martinphilip89989 ай бұрын
@@mauricegold9377 Yes. I’d have done much worse if her home were in Wales. Broken alphabet there 😂.
@viennapalace10 ай бұрын
I always imagined this nursery rhyme was some how related to the plague years but your explanations make much more sense, as usual. Number one does seem the most plausible until you take into account human nature, which immediately promotes the third theory to the "most likely" position. Thanks for another wonderfully thought provoking video!
@The-Resurrectionists10 ай бұрын
You're very welcome! I'm so happy you enjoyed it :) 🖤
@viennapalace10 ай бұрын
@@The-Resurrectionists And I love how you always use the "black heart" when answering comments from your darklings. Deliciously appropriate! 🖤
@The-Resurrectionists10 ай бұрын
🖤🖤🖤
@TheFirstManticore10 ай бұрын
The best possibility is that all three have some relevance to the rhyme, which would increase its resonance in the population. Hickory Dick, of course, is the most exciting one.
@martineldritch10 ай бұрын
"Tumbledown Dick" is the name of a mountain in New Hampshire popular with rock climbers. I climbed it once. Nice to know where the name comes from !
@marklmansfield10 ай бұрын
Richard = Dick ?
@The-Resurrectionists10 ай бұрын
@marklmansfield Yes exactly, 'Dick' is a nickname for 'Richard'
@popshaines549210 ай бұрын
Tumble Down Dick is the name given by locals to the road running between the villages of Cumnor and Farmoor near Oxford.
@barbaramoran869010 ай бұрын
How did Shepards stay awake when they counted their (yawn) sheep
@dirremoire10 ай бұрын
😂
@scfrhc91317 ай бұрын
Probably all three explanations provide a source of substance for the rhythm in different ways…as you have suggested
@Dr_Coe10 ай бұрын
Yet another exceptional video. I love this. Please continue.
@The-Resurrectionists10 ай бұрын
Thank you! I'm so happy you enjoyed it :) 🖤
@Krullmatic4 ай бұрын
This is one of my favorite rhymes!
@rmkenney9 ай бұрын
Ha! Considering the dissension between commenters about which source is correct, this makes it easy to understand why historians are split as well.
@gwendolynlathe54159 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing the most interesting. History of the rhymes stories.
@The-Resurrectionists9 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it :)
@Templeborough10 ай бұрын
I think the Tumbledown Dick Cromwell explanation carries most weight with me. Still one or two pubs of that name, at least until recently when the whole country started to tumble down!
@stephenconnolly18308 ай бұрын
Wonderful tale which rings true (about Richard Cromwell). Now do some due diligence on the nursery rhyme "Three blind mice." That's also an eye opener.
@chrisdorrell18 ай бұрын
This channel is the VERY best on YT I looked for an X (twitter) feed so I could follow and encourage others to watch but alas ? I adore the brilliance. Its the adult Horrible Histories that btw is a MASSIVE compliment. Such a fantastic voice too. Late night TV show needed for this young lady are you listening tv producers?
@The-Resurrectionists8 ай бұрын
Thank you! That's a huge compliment; I still enjoy watching Horrible Histories! :) And I would absolutely love a TV show, if any producers are watching! 🖤
@SearchIndex10 ай бұрын
My mother was a farmer’s daughter from County Mayo Ireland and always did her math in Gaelic out loud like the old counting method mentioned in this video
@ringo16925 ай бұрын
I just found this channel and its definatly a great find, thanks for all your hard work hunting down the origins of these rhymes! I do have to ask yall am i the only one thats hearing The Diceman saying his version of them at first? Lmfao ✌️😜👍🤣😂😂
@reverbscherzo785010 ай бұрын
I'm of the mind that both are true. It wouldn't be the first time that an existing song or poem was reworded slightly to become a satirical song or poem about something else.
@ChunksPlace10 ай бұрын
Yayyyy you're back! Another awesome video, loved it
@The-Resurrectionists10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much :) 🖤
@krs497610 ай бұрын
The 3rd theory sounds the most plausible to me. Especially considering how many pubs there were named tumbledown dick so it definitely has a point of widespread mockery. Ive always liked the story behind humpty dumpty. The tale of a legendary cannon. How it became a egg is beyond me 🤷 Or jack and jill which is about the fall of mankind from Christ conciousness
@gordonbrandt973910 ай бұрын
No known version prior to the one printed in 1744 gives the Cromwell theory the most likely explanation..
@marcbelisle56859 ай бұрын
I like to think that part of the fun of these was that they had multiple interpretations, and that they were referencing old and new things. They weren’t meant to be picked apart and interrogated but to be appreciated on multiple levels.
@GuineaPig36110 ай бұрын
I grew up with a different version of it; "Hickory dickory dock, the mouse ran up the clock. The man in brown soon brought him down, hickory dickory dock."
@marklmansfield10 ай бұрын
That may suggest the Richard version .
@garryperrin24089 ай бұрын
That was good, especially the last explanation. I’m going to read up.
@OldSchool194710 ай бұрын
Beautiful, historical images.
@kennyshortcake99910 ай бұрын
Excellent 🎉 🏴 Well done .. Jake Thackeray sung about that Yorkshire sheep counting style 🏴
@The-Resurrectionists10 ай бұрын
Yes, I love listening to him sing 'Molly Metcalfe' 🖤 I've linked it in my video description, but just in case anyone else is interested, here is a video of Jake Thackray talking about 'Yan Tan Tethera' : kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipq7eoGrm5qhmKs I'm so happy you enjoyed the video :)
@colmanpm8 ай бұрын
Fascinating food for thought. Thank you.
@The-Resurrectionists8 ай бұрын
You're welcome! I'm so happy you enjoyed it :) 🖤
@colmanpm8 ай бұрын
@@The-Resurrectionists I did Darkling. 💜
@debbralehrman59578 ай бұрын
I like the first story. As a bit of history. But do think it was the last one. Thanks 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@ikarus_incarnate10 ай бұрын
As always, fascinating ! Residing as I do, obviously I am going to go with the Exeter cathedral... Cant wait for the next one
@The-Resurrectionists10 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! :) 🖤
@christait254910 ай бұрын
Very interesting and really well presented! 😄
@The-Resurrectionists10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much :) 🖤
@qzorn44408 ай бұрын
The mouse had a relative in America called Mickey and lived in Hollywood. 🐭 Great explanation, thank you.
@malone1todd9 ай бұрын
In a suburb of New Orleans, there are streets called, Hickory, the next called Dickory and the next is called Dock
@The-Resurrectionists9 ай бұрын
oh wow! Love that! :) 🖤
@hurnethehunter10 ай бұрын
The clock struck one...Why one, why not two or three or four. Could it be the time of an execution? and in the old version it say the mouse fell down. Could it reference the gallows or axe?
@scottw.325810 ай бұрын
There were versions where the number the clock struck were non sequential. For instance, verse one could be... "the clock struck 10, the mouse ran down"... Some versions a mouse isn't even mentioned, it may say "the clock struck 10, and down he ran", or "he ran down".
@5-minute-witness35610 ай бұрын
I think the same.
@The-Resurrectionists10 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing your insights; I definitely see how that would fit the rhyme perfectly!
@garypautard106910 ай бұрын
Thank you for keeping the Civil War aspect historically accurate. I did know some rhymes had a truth hidden ,such as Ring a Ring of Roses which was tied to the Black Death.
@dereksollows97838 ай бұрын
My mother used this one: "trot ye off to Boston, trot ye off to Lynn. Look out little child, or you might fall in" It was recited while a child was bounced on the adults knee and holding the adults thumbs as reins. The knee was lowered as the words "fall in" were emphasized. Her family were among the early English colonists of the Americas and it seems to have survived down to my generation across all of the descendants. It is repeated a lot less often these days due to smaller families and is probably in danger of disappearing. We always assumed that the bridge between Boston and Lynn must have been dangerous.
@jeffreyoneill643910 ай бұрын
Wonderful. So thrilled to meet you.
@The-Resurrectionists10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! I'm so happy you enjoyed :)
@zevfarkas51208 ай бұрын
Thanks for an enlightening view of the darker parts of childhood. ;)
@kickpublishing8 ай бұрын
I believe nursery rhymes are a capsule for encoding profound information in a highly memorable story that appeals to the simplest of us, even children.
@slybri57517 ай бұрын
I go with Cromwell ❤️🌏⭐💚 AWESOME.loved that. 🙉🙈🙊
@zebra35198 ай бұрын
What a lovely magical channel. Just popped up. Nice.
@The-Resurrectionists8 ай бұрын
Thank you so much :) 🖤
@zebra35198 ай бұрын
@@The-Resurrectionists You have a lovely voice to match. Love to see a piece on Rumpelstiltskin. Thanks.
@robch44149 ай бұрын
I can't remember which radio comedy programme it was, but one of the immortal lines was: (character explaining problem to tree surgeon) "my hickory's a bit dickery, doc". Writer maybe Denis Norden, Barry Cryer?
@neilengel37159 ай бұрын
Fascinating!!!! Love your voice too!
@The-Resurrectionists9 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! :) 🖤
@TheSteveBoyd10 ай бұрын
"Humpty Dumpty" is about a cannon, so the story of Richard Cromwell seems the most plausible to me (like I know anything!). Could "ran up the clock" be a variant of the euphemism, "ran out the clock", as in "ran out of time"?
@kentjensen493910 ай бұрын
I like the spoof, where three mice run up, the clock strikes one and the other two escape with minor injuries.
@AlanBoddy-fl2qp8 ай бұрын
We used to play the game in England where we all held hands in a circle and sang.... Ring a ring a roses a pocket full of poses,👍 Plus Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pale of waterjJill came down with half crown and it wasn't for carrying water 😅😅😅😅😅😮😮
@davepowell71688 ай бұрын
When?
@juliejohnson38359 ай бұрын
I was always weirded out by ring around the rosies, a nursery rhyme about the black death.
@Ascent-jz7fz7 ай бұрын
Great video
@The-Resurrectionists7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much :) 🖤
@nicholasconder47038 ай бұрын
Considering that most English nursery rhymes deal with political events (Mary, Mary, quite contrary = Mary Queen of Scots; Little Jack Horner = passing of church deeds to Henry VIII, etc.), the interpretation that this rhyme deals with Richard Cromwell is probably correct.
@briandonovan56878 ай бұрын
I always was partial to the Andrew Dice Clays version 😊
@sdnlawrence564010 ай бұрын
That was very interesting. Thank you
@johnsavers11688 ай бұрын
I do believe that the famous rhyme involved metaphorically Cromwell, his son and Charles II. On January 1, 1651 Charles became king of Scotland at Scone. The words "one" and "Scone" rhyme, and, according to dialect, might well be sounded rather alike. Also, note the prominence of "one" in the date provided for Charles' crowning. While in this frame of mind, consider that when one Cromwell fell after his alloted time, another Cromwell climbed to number one. As I considered these possible elements, it occurred to me that a Catholic might be stylized "cat." There is a rumor that Charles II converted to Catholicism upon his deathbed. He didn't appear to fancy Scottish Presbyterian practices, and the Stuart family had Catholic roots. With all these elements, I, indeed, see the mouse as "MacCromwell" and the "clock struck one" (Scone) as referencing Charles II's crowning as king (Scotland) and eventual return as King of England, which was all executed using the colorful history of the church, its clock, its bell, its unwelcomed mice and lastly its resort to a cat (Catholic) to chase away the mice.
@robertbate57908 ай бұрын
From mice to Cromwell, quite a choice. The sheep counting sounds the most plausible to me, but the tale of young Cromwell also has strong merit. If have read of his undesrability before. Perhaps he jumped before he was pushed. Food for thought.