Hidden Dash Mechanics that Tekken 8 doesn't explain

[@DandyRaytona]

This is just one of those “how many dollars for this jin combo” videos aris used to do and I love it

[@Yeshbit]

PhiDX is just Aris for nerds.

[@Dyleniz]

I miss the 100 dollar combo lmao

[@carloshernandez3177]

​@@Yeshbitaris is just Phidx for stoners

[@El-Burrito]

How much does a TJU cost? About 50 dollars

[@imfinishedgrinding638]

​@@Dyleniz Zen 1, 3 made it obsolete it being more easier and consistent.

[@reirei_tk]

Shout out to that guy for potentially making PhiDX's first asuka focused video a reality

[@adamw36]

Man this was so helpful. In a world of no-commentary combo display videos, this deep dive into the mechanics is so valuable.

[@Cogbyrn]

I discovered this messing with Zafina's combos and felt like an accomplished newbie. I always get such a good vibe from discovering little tricks/nuances on my own while labbing stuff in fighting games.

[@iwapje]

THANK YOU!!! I have always struggled with combos that required dashes in between moves and been really inconsistent with them. Been looking for this info! Really appreciate all your hard work Phi!

[@JonanTS]

I remember I had to discover all this shit on my own when playing Tekken 7, im sure people will thank you so much for these specific guides, Im sure I wanted a guide like this 7 years ago lol

[@Rikent]

Had it happen to me in Tekken 8, wish I had this a couple weeks ago when I was practicing combos. I still got some nice tips out of it though, like the setting that shows when you can move and that movement buttons can only be partially buffered.

[@Glennjamyyyn]

I'm glad Phi has validated my hold ups with my personal experience of staring deeply and intently at the combo route instead of the screen when I first learn a combo

[@shakyor875]

this is perfect! I literally started playing asuka yesterday and couldn't figure this out at all, thank you!

[@robojobot77]

Dude I have been playing tekken for 30 yeras now, causally. This is so cool to know. Great format. You are killing it!

[@Hollow_555]

I was just practicing this combo last night and ran into the same problem, Phi the goat as always

[@Faisalamin01]

Your explanations are so amazing, keep up the great work 😊

[@sombradude2725]

2:00 are you kidding with those jiggle physics?????

[@sombradude2725]

sorry but I cant unsee it

[@progste]

What, you don't like them? 😏

[@SuFoYa]

I wish I could turn them up 😂

[@LastHope_ssb]

Haha I wish this video was released a day earlier! I had to figure this out myself last night in practice mode (I'm new to Tekken and main Claudio and a lot of combos have instant while running 4) and it took me forever. Great information for people learning combos!

[@Dark_Aves]

Same bro. I've been labbing those Claudio combos for a few days, and the timing on those ff4 were really getting me sometimes.

[@kyleflournoy7730]

If I was a streamer this is the exact kind of content I would make super analytical breakdowns that would clearly explain hidden concepts

[@mezaoh3140]

I actually figured this out for myself when practicing optimal bryan combos but nice to hear it more indepth. nice vid!

[@v.m.6549]

They really went crazy with Asuka's physics

[@srseki]

That's why she is weak, you keep looking at her instead of your opponent

[@jeffreyalvarez3035]

​@srseki this outfit is not helping either. That's why I chose Jun because she is beautiful but in a more mature elegant way instead of a distracting way lol.

[@kinkakubaishew1927]

@@jeffreyalvarez3035 i play Asuka becouse she looks like my wife. And she is just beautifull in elegant way man >:[

[@joolian4763]

​@@kinkakubaishew1927Jeff just wanted to pick a top tier, Asuka is great, and badass.

[@depictiongames9758]

Jun > Asuka

[@kstixx7575]

Bro this game is your time to shine, i hope only good things to your channel.

[@TrickyEileen]

I literally was struggling with this on stream with my chat last night. Thank you. Scientific method, I see you PhiDX 😉

[@blue0renj1]

Your videos are a godsend. They are soooo helpful. I have been playing Tekken since 5 but I am learning so much from your videos, def improving heaps on fundamentals. Would appreciate it so much if you did a video on how to land King’s running 2 jab before the iSW post screw. ❤️

[@herbenthusiastic]

I swear, you always find the topics that are most relevant to my development as a player somehow lol. Was just struggling with this in Lili’s combos

[@7thmizukage]

Learning the fact that you cant buffer movement inputs but only attacks has just broken years of execution barrier for me 💀

[@DesiringANewDawn]

Dude, this frame date display is amazing! Thanks for the info

[@IamPantheR]

Thanks a lot PhiDX! Your tips are very helpful on that hard journey!

[@EternalGruntSetsu]

I was struggling with Jun combo enders until a month ago because I didn't know about the deep dashes. Nice to spread the knowledge

[@inkverin]

Tkanks for awesome work. I'd have another question. Is it possibile to instant dash block in Tekken 8? Everytime I do a dash and try to block my oponnent's move, I get hit. Is there any cancel mechanic possibile (like with KBD) or there is no solution and after dashing there is a period when you cannot block?

[@PhiDX]

Blocking is instant, but you have to be fast

[@ZakuSenpaii]

You saved my life thanks again Phi! love your vids and streams man! ❤

[@LowEffortLino]

Good call with the thumbnail 👍

[@X--pv7kz]

Lolz

[@DevilsSlayer200793]

Assuka

[@maui954]

its cool to see this! a lot of new players struggle with this, especially for deep dash combos

[@718NecroLeX]

Thank you for this vid, just sent to all my friends getting into Tekken!

[@novanation5870]

12:34 I second this. I was doing a hard lee combo, and it took me like 2 hours of labbing a character I had never played and figuring out his tech, mainly iws. Lee has a mist step, like kazuya. This allows lee to do mist step, and similar to wavu iws cancel, as soon as lee is crouching, you input back then neutral, and you can do an iws move. Combo is as follows. While heat is already active. Ws2,3 ff3(HF Heat dash) d2 4,u3 b2(mist), iws1,2(mist) iws1,2(mist) f2,1 wall, dash df1, f3,3,perfect4(T!) 3+4(hitman) low slump (hitman)uf4 ub3 Very technical combo, and requires lots of timing knowledge. This does 121 damage. I was trying this out for about 2 hours then had to go to work. I cane back and I hit the combo within 5 minutes. Practice, then take a break, then come back and you will dominate combos I promise you.

[@woahblow4127]

Those Aris got me back into Tekken after not playing 6 or 7 really! These viewer combo videos definitely get old but still a ton of fun every once in a while.

[@tabeticemperor1814]

When I was landing with asuka, I also had this issue. I didn’t realize deep dashing was a mechanics I was subconsciously learning.

[@Faffel]

Funny you say it feels like T7 Aris because it feels like you're a slightly more gormful equivalent at this point. Really nice, concise info in your vids. Your style of explanation makes more nebulous intermediate concepts a lot easier to understand.

[@XLucifersX]

today i learned something new.. thx phidx

[@tytovision3902]

I've been an asuka player since tekken 5, and this is a great breakdown for new players or people who can't quite get the combos. Great video!

[@Foxheart]

The ability to see character actionability is goated for learning how to apply electrics

[@pow_dunx]

Also worth noting there are combos where if you’re late or not deep enough on a hit, you’ll get the next hit but not the following hit. These can be devious to troubleshoot.

[@minus432]

The simple frame info thing you showed is gonna help me with electric combos. I'm still having trouble knowing when I can start inputing again

[@gagagag7051]

I struggled with dash moves and didnt use them much in neutral because I felt like im putting myself at risk of getting counterhit. Delaying dash moves is very cool, covers more distance and is especially good for moves that do chip damage. Great video again.

[@theloserwhocould]

How have i not known about the simple display of frame data..... I've been trying to master some tighter combos and this is gold!

[@bennymountain1]

Whoah, we're going deep with this one, boys!

[@rubysmith765]

I love seeing people lab and help players out in understanding the game.

[@hwithap]

Phi you da man!! I’m VERY slowly getting better. But not too bad, I can steal a round or two lol.

[@sjalabi35]

I figured this out just the other day practicing a Jin combo where my finisher wouldn’t connect unless I deep dashed so the opponent would be in range

[@MC_HANDROLLED]

Re: looking at the inputs. Sometimes I practice with my eyes closed focusing on the rhythm of the combo. Really helps dial in consistency as the last step for me

[@RhysClark97]

dude, tekken has so much depth like jeeesus

[@strikemist]

People of the future will say, Phi used to do this. Pog

[@Adjo1991]

I love how I also think the same way and use Reina as a test dummy because of her hitbox

[@strobequintarian]

I am loving these tutorials. I've played teeken since tekken 2, but I am still able to learn from these. Also sharing with my Tekken group.

[@magicno2]

You missed something. At least something I wished I knew about when starting off Tekken. The absolute fastest forward dash attack you can do is when you press and hold the second forward and press the attack AT THE SAME TIME. Like how you do EWGF by pressing df and 2 simultaneously. What I used to was pressing the attack after pressing the second forward. This made things like Lee's WS2,3 to f,F+3 and Asuka combos way easier once I realized it. Even helped a lot with whiff punishing using a dash attack. I have been Tekken casually for years and learned it from Aris' iWR tutorial xD.

[@SlCKNESS_]

You don't have to hold the forward input if you actually press the direction (forward) and the face button on the same frame.

[@briangreengrass2244]

legit giving me Mr. PhiDX vibes haha

[@jico3547]

With any combos, what really helped me is what he was saying about not looking at the character, & looking only at the inputs. Initially anyways. Keep doing the combo non stop until it lands properly, working out any timings etc. Some characters you need to really be quick(Jin), whereas some you can input slower. The combo challenges makes it so every input is on one line, which also helps a bit. Still can’t do bf inputs consistently though :(

[@Cheezeeeee]

12:40 oh... Why did I not think of that when I was learning a combo with Panda. I do that when I'm trying to learn stuff on guitar, I get pissed, check Discord or KZbin then comeback and do the riff one take.

[@ryanyaques9500]

Hey Phi, love your videos! They're such a great help. Was wondering if you could do a video for intermediate/advanced players covering how to prevent "flowcharting" or falling into patterns? I find that sometimes I fall into a pattern or flow when I'm pushing the aggression on my opponent or I react predictably to his attacks. I'm in Raijin rank and any tips on remaining in the fight and keeping a broken rhythm to make it difficult for my opponent to read me would be greatly appreciated by us all! Trying to keep pushing my rank further but have hit a bit of a plateau. Again, really love your content and helpful insight.

[@TechManiach]

What does this mean when it comes to frame data? From what I know, the fastest way to input a dash is 1 frame for forward, 1 frame neutral (since you let go of forward in order to tap it again), 1 frame forward again to start the dash and then the button, which adds at least 3 frames to the dash attack. From what I tested, if the button is pressed in the same frame of the second forward, the dash doesn't start and you only get f+button instead. Also you cannot fully buffer a dash, I can only buffer the first forward input and the neutral, making it necessary for me to only press the second forward for 1 frame while free to act to start the dash and then press the button, so an attack like raven's ff3 which is i15 would be i16 in a perfect input with buffer. Is this how it works or did I get it wrong in some point?

[@PhiDX]

Tekken 8 seems to be different; I recently tested and got the same results you did. I don't have a conclusive answer but I *think* Raven's ff3 done perfectly is i17 as of Tekken 8.

[@fettucciinee]

that's funny... What you said about Reina being small bodied hurtbox wise applied to Heihachi in T7 as well AFAIK. Surely it's not a coincidence!

[@retto_74]

wow thanks for the explanation, now I understand why sometimes EWGF > EWGF does EWGF > df2 for me sometimes. If you plan on doing a EWGF guide, I feel like it would be worth mentioning as the videos I've seen only mentions d2 and WGF

[@kwangbae4788]

Thanks for the combo! My post bound moves are only UF3, F1+2

[@tkZombie_]

invaluable info and i'm only 2 mins in. holy shit you're the best

[@ChaosTool93]

I knew about delayed timing, but never heard about deep dashes

[@anthonyodom7691]

I have limited tekken fighting game experience but I knew about the holding for dash attacks been absorbing as much info as I can lol

[@ScorchedEclipse]

thanks phidx, i can now do my deep dish combos without fail, hot and ready :)

[@pogituna]

oh wow imma experiment on law dss with that buffer thing since moves come out too late during the jab strings

[@merkyofaycemfx2944]

I wonder how you'd approach stance based offense and defense. I play Yoshimitsu and I am trying to develop my bag of tricks. I shot up the ranks quickly and started plateauing at orange/red ranks when opponents realized they can start jabbing me out of stance changing. What keeps me in the game is up back 1+2 in heat because that does a chunk of damage and it heals too.

[@Commander_Claw]

These are the details that separates players. My main is Paul and throwing the forward mids are crucial. But I never knew holding the final input was the game changer

[@jeffreyalvarez3035]

I figured this out on my own while learning Jun's combos that use her ff2 into genjutsu. I couldn't find out why I couldn't connect or why I got f2 instead until I figured this out.

[@wilekrowan3610]

i think now you can buffer a dash in tekken 8, you can dash and hold the second forward input during the buffer window then press the button after you start moving

[@ingvarr91]

Good video. I spent a lot of time for training Jun combo with dash)

[@EgotisticApe]

I've been playing Leo and Steve, was thinking of picking up Jin, could you do a little guide on any of these characters?

[@SerAlthur]

@PhiDX Hey could please make a video explaining side stepping mid combo? I kinda understand that sometimes you need to SS to realign the axis or the combo will drop but I hope you can elaborate on how to know when and to which direction to SS.

[@toshiro9177]

Broo I love your guides

[@theplaymakerno1]

Keep up the good work, sir.

[@1JokeRCSS]

i thought motion inputs could be buffered if they weren't out of a stance? swear i did it all the time with kuni qcf+1 in t7

[@PhiDX]

If the motion input is not a stance, yes it can Steve qcf1: bufferable Paul qcf1: no buffer

[@1JokeRCSS]

@@PhiDX ah i see mb i misunderstood what you meant in the video, when you said you couldn't buffer movement my brain just assumed you meant all motion inputs. mb brew

[@Zolti14]

damn, I didn't know u could buffer the first forward, that's huge, thanks

[@arthurharden4600]

about to learn Asuuka just for jiggle physics

[@youngpast0228]

This makes me curious on Shaheen al gaul (hold down, then up 2) move. If you can charge the down persay

[@Rikent]

Can we get a movement guide? I've been watching some pros play and I don't understand what they are inputting whenever they are trying to bait stuff. Also how useful are backwards dash moves? For example Victor teleport

[@Joemoezoe]

Oddly enough i was having trouble with this same asuka combo lol I really wish there was some kind of side notes to know when to micro dash or long dash with these combos

[@petekaiser]

@PhiDX can you help with the new DSS mechanic for law? Combo enders 4,3 or 4,3,4 to F4 (legend kick) seems to not connect at some point regardless if bluespark or not. So i'm wondering if there is any issues with how far the opponent is in the combo

[@Nova_Afterglow]

vic has a nasty deep dish combo but my deep dishes are tragic. did a god damn normal internet search, and of course whis has a vid on em. i hope to make my deep dish combos more consistent after i learn what the hell im doin.

[@duztdruid]

When buffering the first forward input. How close to the second input does it need to be?

[@speeddemon9616]

I don't know for tekken 8 haven't jump on it yet, but Asuka has some enemy position timings, where moves should hit or float but enemy wasn't in the exact position for that move to float or hit, it's some thing that really annoyed me in tekken 7, had to do a good bit of practice to muscle memory the character states.

[@Vespyr_]

Yeah I found it annoying how the combo challenges never told you that you had to wedge in a dash input between sections.

[@silverpuma6081]

Hey phi how would be the best way to get combos that need both a dash and say immediately f+ 3 for instance without it turning into a WR move?

[@marcelol.4371]

Hey man, nice video. Next time I’d appreciate if you showed how to confirmed king’s DF2,1 on women. Can’t seem to figure it out. Lil majin makes it look so easy lol

[@Papermarvin]

yooo what song is this for the character select screen ??

[@DigitalRootsGaming]

I do have a question. When labbing in Tekken and training certain scenarios (i.e whiff punishes or side stepping) are there certain characters I should train against that will give me the best experience in gaining that type of knowledge? @PhiDX or anybody that may have some input on this.

[@sorataakihiko4875]

i am having a hard time on later part of a similar combo... d/f2 - ff2,3 - d/b1,4 - ff4 - heat burst - ff4 - f1+2 and an even tougher one if u add a ff4 after d/f2 my main problem is that after the heat burst the opponent is kinda far... if i deep dash the ff4 barely connects but f1+2 doesn't if i don't deep dash ff4 whiffs... and i keep getting my character to run all the time... (multiple ff4 in one combo are cool but really tough...)

[@malingeringgit6639]

To connect ff+4 after heat burst, you have to do as soon as possible, otherwise opponent falls to close to the ground and it whiffs. If you add ff4 after df2, then f1+2 will miss. You can do ff2, 1, tho. 75 dmg.

[@sorataakihiko4875]

@@malingeringgit6639 ohhh ok thx it used to work so well in CBT

[@AegisRick]

One other relevant tip on combos in general is to keep in mind how many hits are in the combo. The longer your combo is, the further the opponent gets pushed back. If for instance you add a single 4 after the F2, it's going to have one extra hit in the combo, which forces stricter adherence to deep dashes due to the combo length pushback. The same is true if you use the 2,1,2 T! instead of the db1,4 T! Just keep that in mind if you're freestyling combos. It's far more consistent and lenient to keep your combos shorter.

[@TheFallingLotus]

Can you store the first input of an EWGF?

[@floatingjarl7298]

hey i was struggling with some king combos and i wonder what i am doing wrong. The combo ends with a dash into standing 2 into isw but when i do the dashing 2 i get ff neutral 2 (the low) instead what am i doing wrong? Do i have to cancel something?

[@jaredtrecker4610]

Depending on the spacing you either need to: 1. Wait longer after dashing to press 2 (for example, after using B+3 to tornado) 2. Hold F after the dash to briefly enter the running animation, then release and press 2 (for example, after using B+1,2 to tornado)

[@FGirao]

Em qualquer país sério esse cara iria ganhar uma indenização enorme Ainda mais com essas provas gravadas

[@monsooncommando4040]

Yeah it took me a while to realize it was "Dash". Tekken doesn't explain neutral and double tap inputs at all!

[@zoroasper9759]

Asuka really needs to get familiar with deep dash in this game, basically all her optimal combos require it. The ender in the combo's video is also the "easy one", ff,1+2 and ff2,3 are higher damage + NWG buff and wall carry respectively so you want to do those but doing them without a really really deep dash doesn't work

[@WeMissDimebag]

Not true, you can also do a sidestep left after the tornado to make them more consistent. Deep dashing is a harder work around imo. ff+3 also does not give her gusto.

[@zoroasper9759]

@@WeMissDimebag username checks out stepping does make it more consistent but you still need to deep dash, at least I still do but maybe I'm trash Also I wrote ff,3 by mistake sorry, I fixed it. I meant to write ff2,3 and I never meant to say it gives NWG, I said it gives more wall carry

[@c0wboys4life]

Phi can you do a vid about how to play against characters you’re not familiar with? Like I know character knowledge is needed but realistically people and myself in general aren’t going to know every character strings and know what is safe and not and etc

[@joshburger2217]

its really hard for me to consistently get asuka to do the ff2 after the f2 launch. it often comes out as another f2. 😢

[@abohamoda3361]

what is the song playing in that stage? please tell me

[@mclambtj]

@PhiDX do you coach Console Players as well? I play on PS5 and I've been looking for someone who can help me get a better grasp on the game as this is my first time actually committing to playing. Steve is the character I'd like to main I've played multiple fighting games before but usually on and off because I was more casual.

[@Khemith_Demon_Hours]

Good info.

[@tkmfub2048]

0:38 hurtbox wise shes closer to the male characters than to the females. Its pretty much like Lidia in t7. Ling is probably still the best practice mule.