HIGH MILES = LESS POWER? ~100K Mile Tesla Model S P100D vs Model 3 Performance 1/4 Mile

[@ashishpatel350]

Damn that model s driver is sleeping like the prison guards in Jeffery Epsteins cell block. 🤣

[@Xman44x]

🤦🏼‍♂️🤣🤣🤣

[@wbwayne8887]

Genius analogy

[@faisal181]

LMAO .. what an analogy LOL

[@arykummara4243]

This model s driver was literally sleeping at the wheel.

[@ZephyrCorsa]

I feel most Tesla owners/fans aren't true car enthusiasts, more tech fans turned "car guys". Not exactly saying this is definitely Brook's friend but you can definitely tell who's part of the pack and who isn't.

[@AmirulEhsan]

Nope he do that intentionally

[@rudyyyxu]

Trying to go into launch mode

[@Elaba_]

Many of them do.

[@LokiDWolf]

@@ZephyrCorsa I get where you're coming from. But, that's generalizing though. And speculative at best. Drivers/owners are all over. Unless you have some study or survey personal observation doesn't represent much at all.

[@PeakTimeRacing]

The Model S driver is sleeping at the wheel

[@AmirulEhsan]

Nope he do that intentionally

[@blankslate08]

Maybe he had autopilot on.

[@Isf__d]

I’ve never seen reaction times so baddd omggg😂😂💀

[@tomhegedosh5487]

wait till you see my races against him in my 997tt! it's worse

[@TigerKurdish]

You should've had your grandma ran the model S lol your friend is beyond "slow" he had a quick nap before pushing the accelerator

[@AmiTakeuchi]

60 in 2.5 and bare low 11s and the car is "suffering"... I want one.

[@AmiTakeuchi]

@n s that's a relative statement but the fact they say it's suffering when most cars can't even approach those spec times makes me want one! Hell I've never even been in a car that could go from 0 to 60 in under 3 seconds.

[@AmiTakeuchi]

@n s I'll still take the suffering Tesla.

[@foam27]

@s n u forgot to add 10 years of gas to the cost.

[@BLACK05GO1]

Yes, conventional cars (on average) do get noticeably slower when they get in the 100,000+ mile range, but they can actually get slightly faster with mileage up to 30K to 50K miles or so. But at about 80K miles their performance seems to really drop off noticeably. This is obviously due to mechanical issues of some kind starting to affect the engine and or transmission beyond 80K miles. I've bought and raced a lot of cars (my hobby) over the past 30+ years and they all lost performance with higher mileage (always frequent oil changed, transmission fluid, new clutch if a manual, new tires as needed, etc when needed). But all my BONE STOCK cars (5 different Camaro Z28 and Camaro SS models for example) started getting noticeably slower after 80K miles. Then the really noticeable track times started to show up at 100K+ miles. One example, 1994 A4 auto, Camaro Z28. Bone stock (good DA track conditions), it was running 13.9s - 14.0s @ 100 mph (on average). With 100K miles, it ran 14.5s @ 96 mph (on average). I have similar examples for my other LT1, LS1, LS3 Camaros. They all got slower beyond 80K miles and noticeably slower around 100K miles. Same issues affected my modified cars too. Short term = faster times, but long term high mileage = slower times. Time for engine rebuild, cleaning, etc beyond 100K miles if raced occasionally. Also, my cars were like my babies. Garage kept and well maintained.

[@BigTuna521]

Never seen someone need so much space to say the same thing a dozen times.

[@MrMduchesne23]

same experience here. it's just something you expect with wear and tear. I'd like to see someone take a 200K mile Tesla model S and "restore" it to original performance numbers as cheaply as possible. The battery may be the biggest expensive but a rebuilt motor or 2 might help, upgraded cooling...Guess that's about all you can do.

[@thomasbihn]

I wonder what performance will be like when they put a new solid state battery pack in a few years. Could be better performance than new due to same energy in s lighter package .

[@Jpandes]

Time for forced induction😀

[@badreddinefjr9785]

Longest reaction time ever

[@CosmicAminos]

Great compare! I am on the fence for a new 3 performance or p100d and the cost difference with this video just helped me decide!

[@mbmpablo3631]

So what was your choice?

[@extendedepicmusic5017]

The 50 horsepower loss may be due and update from Tesla, it has been documented that the usable voltage has lowered after updating the software to save the battery pack

[@deltamedia7566]

50 horsepower loss sounds more dramatic than 7% loss of power which seems to be acceptable for a car that has done nearly 100,000 miles. An internal combustion engine with the same mileage will have lost also about 10% of its power.

[@mistamaog]

Well we at least know it's loss of power is from the battery, not really the drivetrain. And it would only be noticeable from someone who drag races, not really any other driver.

[@richystar2001]

A Lambo will eat its engine after a 100 000 miles.

[@AC-mz5om]

FIFY 25 000 Miles

[@ChristopherGeneva]

they just put a new rear drive unit in my 2016 P100DL+ at 65k mikes and I definitely noticed a power deference.

[@GooseBurt]

Placebo effect.

[@shelbyhaiketic4212]

How much did it cost for the new unit

[@sorka95032]

My P85DL has lost 5% range and 17KW in 107K miles after 5 years. Dan's P100D must have used max battery a ton to have it degrade 10% in just 3 years.

[@user-ch5ij5yd2g]

that's kinda the point of buying the top model with ludicrous, it's supposed to go fast and he probably drove it like he should unlike most people. if he was just gonna drive it slowly to try to eek out the most endurance, he would have bought a 75d

[@richystar2001]

Tesla reconditioned batteries might be a good business model in the future.

[@emanuelgale7286]

I could only imagine how much power a lambo or Ferrari would lose after someone puts 100k miles on either one of those as well compared to when they are brand new..

[@twincammikev]

Thay lose nothing if you survice them on time so stop talking shit..

[@emanuelgale7286]

twincammike83 16v - where are your facts or proof? Go change your tampon bud and quit PMSing over a comment on a KZbin video smh lol...

[@the_batmobile0.4]

@@emanuelgale7286 where's your facts and proof of the a lambo losing power at 100k miles huh...ya damn hypocrite

[@992turboskiller7]

Addicted To Adrenaline - ATA Lambos are very reliable. You won’t lose power after 100k miles. Houston crosta has a red huracan that has aroun 150k milea on it qnd it’s still pulling hard.

[@douglasgroff7648]

You hit on an interesting question Brooks. How would 97,000 miles affect a ICE-powered super car? Chances are that we’ll never know, as it’s doubtful any super car will make it close to that mileage (they’ll either be garage queens or wrapped around a tree way before that mileage). Most - if not all - gas engines do lose peak power output at high mileage due to wear. Electric motors also lose efficiency in being able to convert electricity into motion over time. Typically, they will produce the same horsepower, however they will require MORE electricity to perform the same task. So, if the loss in performance was due to something in the electrical motor, I would think the peak KWh usage would go UP, not down. This assumes the electronics and the inverter aren’t the limiting factors. So, seeing the peak KWh usage going down leads me to believe that the batteries just aren’t capable of delivering the peak output they once were, which is a known fact with rechargeable batteries of ANY chemistry manufactured to date. I’m guessing that the battery could be swapped out (at a cost), but the near original performance would be restored... Thought: swapping the battery is probably less than swapping an internal combustion engine ($10K), but could be done in a few hours versus a day or two for an ICE.

[@3204clivesinclair]

Plenty of data exists for ICE cars relating to power loss over time. If ICE cars are maintained as per the manufacturer's manual, then they can easily reach 100k miles are more. Thing is, same as EV's, who keeps cars for that long? Very few people. Average mileage for a private driver is 10000 to 12000 per year. That would mean they keep a vehicle for about 10yrs. Unlikely.

[@fastfreeks]

My supercharged Tacoma made the same power at 170,000 miles as it did at 30,000. ICE doesn't doesn't loose much power if it's taken care of now transmission problems are another story.

[@larryspiller15]

What I'm wondering is what another 10s car that was gasoline powered would run after 100k miles with no special maintenance, just oil change, and maybe plugs/wires. I would expect a similar loss but could be wrong

[@MrMduchesne23]

A really good question...the engines usually end up being rebuilt long before 100K miles (160k km) if the car mostly raced and driven hard. Top Gear (old top gear) had some great affordable supercar challenges that showed that even in the best of conditions old supercars just don't hold up and always showed major power loss that required $$$$ to get back to OEM. But even after all the work the original numbers usually weren't reached. Then you have an old supercar that has been "driven hard and put back in the barn wet" so to speak.

[@eichler721]

@@MrMduchesne23 those where 80's supercars so ya that's to be expected.

[@eichler721]

@@MrMduchesne23 Royalty Exotics has a 130k Huracan that has nothing but maintenance done and they run it all the time. They also have a 488GTB with 88k 6 months ago not sure what it's at now and have only needed regular maintenance with one extra stop for spark plugs. New Supercars are very reliable in comparison and some Ring Taxi's run by Apex has over 100k and running strong. Plenty of modern sports and supercars perform great even after 100k miles. To be fair some don't

[@eichler721]

DDE has a a Huracan they ran for 40k miles stock with no issues other then the air suspension they tried installing which they took back off. Then ran a supercharger for 30k miles and was fine. Then they swapped a twin Turbo kit for another 10k before something broke which is expected given they added 200hp and then later added another 150hp so the stock car was handling over 900hp stock with DDE driving for years before it broke.

[@eichler721]

Here is a 157k mile stock engine and transmission Ferrari F430 which is far less reliable then new Ferrari's. www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a23026167/high-miles-ferrari-f430-exotic-car/

[@georgepelton5645]

I think 50 hp loss after 100k miles is acceptable, especially with such outstanding performance when new. Batteries’ internal resistance (IR) increases with age and Amp-hour (Ah) throughput. Loss of power is expected and inevitable with greater IR.

[@fastfreeks]

Well I hope battery tech keeps improving. It would be awesome if the size of a 100kwh battery could be reduced by 50% so people could convert older vehicles and still have decent range. Right now people are spending 50-70k on conversions with less than 100 mile range.

[@badboymorales]

One thing u need to remember DRAGTIMES is that the electric engine suffers when ur doing alot of launches. Tesla tells u this when you are activating Ludacris mode. If u get a grandma p100d car that never has done a launch with 100 thousand miles in my opinion it would still have almost the same capability as new. I think u need to find a 100 thousand mile grandma car with no launches to test this theory of mine.

[@Fejziramadani]

this should be pinned or on top ... i really wanna see these tests too .. but never thought of this

[@Fejziramadani]

in europe u can find a lot but i dont know about US

[@usasupra23]

Doesn’t that defeat the purpose of buying the ludicrous model if you don’t use it?

[@xenomorphelv4265]

i think the stress created on the battery cells by countless ludicrous launch is impacting a lot on the long term performances.

[@badboymorales]

@@usasupra23 ludacrous mode was a software update. I think all model s and x come with it. Or u need to buy it to activated if that's the case u can easily buy a 100 thousand mile car with no launches until u buy the ludicrous mode. Im not a tesla expert but i think it comes with it already. It was an Easter egg from elon.

[@slartybartfarst9737]

This is the data all us performance EV fans need. That 50HP loss is acceptable as the cars are so quick and for such a quick car they need no garage bills. That sort of performance in a gas car hauling that weight and being used for hard 0-60 starts a lot my guess is a similar power poss ( probably a clutch replaced too). For the future i can only see batteries getting better, right now i think they are about the same as ICE. Think about it too Tesla probably updates the power algorithm to protect the battery more and more as miles go on, they want to protect the reputation and so have just matched ICE degradation. BTW Ive a 100k miles P85 that got a new battery under warrenty and all my performance back so yea can feel the differance.

[@mmark300]

I tried to correlate this loss into the loss seen with different states of charge. For a model 3, it works out to the difference between a 100% SoC and a 40% SoC. I used the 5% loss in mph as my guide. I ran the 1/4 mile for every 10% rate of charge 20-100% - kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYDGkHlmnKyDnbc Please subscribe.

[@Vidal10]

I was watching the first upload and bammm it goes private 😂

[@Isf__d]

vidal ruiz Ik man😂 what does that mean btw

[@Vidal10]

Dion Geter what does what mean?

[@Isf__d]

vidal ruiz when the video goes private....that means he took it down or something or he actually made it private for only him to see?

[@Vidal10]

Dion Geter i think it means he took it down and then uploaded it again, maybe edited something on it he didn’t like or something.

[@StormAutoAdventures]

The guy in the Model 3 Performance knows how to race and that you go on the yellow before the green. The guy in the P100D doesn't know what he's doing and has absolutely terrible reaction time on top of it.

[@foam27]

So, was Dan on qualudes that night? 🤣

[@martinjoyce9274]

Try to put a new battery pack to confirm 100% if it is just the battery or if other parts are causing this power loss!!!

[@Bawla187]

In the first race he was catching you. So if he got a (new)replacement battery would that change? Does the battery deterioration factor in?🤔hmm. Great video 👍

[@wascalywabbit]

Lol...the only drag race that could be done in a library with just a whisper

[@johnmolloy4878]

For this to be relevant we need to know his long term charging habits. Is the car mostly supercharged? Does he often or always charge to 100%? Both of those would accelerate the battery degradation and my guess is it would also manifest in peak power battery output.

[@MrTaliz]

John Molloy agree. Would be very interesting to know.

[@tudorbestea]

Are you using slip start for the launch? I got about a 0.2 second better time using slip start, my best being 11.49 @ 117 mph

[@DragTimes]

I have tried it, no difference for me...

[@UtahValleyEV]

You should test your P100D against his. That would give a better comparison on whether or not performance is impacted by high mileage... that is unless you car has a lot of miles as well.

[@sakimano]

What does your P100DL show as max power now at 50,000 miles? Also 100,000 miles is 6 years in the life of a normal car. So losing 7-8% isn't a huge deal. Sucks that it's not a 10 second car anymore. He seems to have new wheels. Heavier? Bigger?

[@DragTimes]

lighter wheels.... I'll have to test mine out...

[@timberwofe333]

@@DragTimes If you have the chance consider a drag race before and after a Tesla gets a battery or rear motor replacement!

[@schmeltz]

How much would a 700+ hp gas powered car lose after 100k miles? Any data on that?

[@schmeltz]

SB that isn’t true.. definitely loses some due to compression loss, lubrication efficiency, and fuel ignition efficiency. A high powered car like a hellcat will lose power at a higher rate due to the higher stress. That’d be more comparable to a Tesla P100D. But I doubt there are any hellcats with 100k miles on them.

[@redst9364]

Holy shit someone get Dan some coffee lol

[@rtsstream]

Think about how much engine maintenance and possibly rebuilding would be necessary for a 10 second ICE car to go 100k and track regularly. The fact that this car just lost a few tenths is admirable when you think of the alternative ..

[@mmark300]

Thinking the same! I tried to correlate this loss into the loss seen with different states of charge. For a model 3, it works out to the difference between a 100% SoC and a 40% SoC. I used the 5% loss in mph as my guide. I ran the 1/4 mile for every 10% rate of charge 20-100% - kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYDGkHlmnKyDnbc Please subscribe.

[@Cloxxki]

Degradation is not linear. You lose the first 10% relatively early on, the next 20% you may never achieve.

[@kingprone7846]

4:45 why is the s having its foglights on? is it trying to dazzle other drivers?

[@tggraham3321]

100K stock LS power loss?

[@78katz]

That's significant degradation, but most combustion vehicles of equivalent performance will probably never even see 100k on the odo.

[@78katz]

@Cool Kid But they don't. Very few 10 second cars rack up the miles. It says a lot about how comfortable the Teslas are to drive.

[@78katz]

Well, if your 10 second Lambo, Ferrari, what have you rattles your fillings out every time you drive it....prolly not taking it on that road trip. The Teslas are comfortable, practical, utilitarian vehicles- not simply track toys for the wealthy.

[@A4rings110]

@@78katz What about rs7's, e63's, M5's, etc? you think those dont make it to 100k?

[@mmark300]

@@A4rings110 Do those run 10's?

[@78katz]

@@A4rings110 I bet the majority don't get there. I never said they couldn't, just that they don't. The few that do make it to 100k miles have lost 90% of their value to depreciation by that point.

[@RSNGAMING2911]

Good vid👌

[@driveri1435]

High mileage Model S P100D for sale 180K miles Never driven hard (Grandma Driven) (-100 HP) $79K USD ***NO LOW BALLERS***

[@dyhppyx]

Great test. Didn't even think there would be a performance difference

[@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921]

Street speed has more or less confirmed the suspicions the lightly modded ZR1 with unlocked ecu is simply faster than a tuned 720s. Those cars came detuned from the factory for the most part.

[@DragTimes]

Randy's 720S is stock....

[@AboveSportsFilms]

Which one do you like better S Performance or the 3 Performance?

[@faisal181]

my buddy had the 75D and traded it for the 3 Performance. Granted performance is different but he liked the 3 better. He said the sedan felt a bit too big to drive and since his was older the latest software and other tech was nicer. I do keep debating a Performance Y or a base X.

[@AboveSportsFilms]

Faisal reason I asked is I have a model 3 performance and was thinking of upgrading to an S?Performance

[@christmasisawesome9348]

@@AboveSportsFilms What’s wrong with model 3?

[@AboveSportsFilms]

@@christmasisawesome9348 nothing was just wondering which one he liked better. I have model 3 performance and soon will be passing it on to the kids. Looking to get the S next.

[@christmasisawesome9348]

@@AboveSportsFilms I see. The model S is such a heavy car. That might be the red flag for you.

[@bromeliad6115]

lambos and mclarens will not be running after 100k miles

[@thosoz3431]

Nice clip. Thank you. How many HP does an ICE car loose at 100,000 mls ?

[@corystansbury]

In many cases, they are probably up a bit. I certainly wouldn't expect to see one down 50 HP, assuming no vacuum leaks, significant carbon buildup, or sloppy boost control (on a turbo/supercharged engine).

[@ericspda]

It depends a great deal on the design of the vehicle. A well designed engine will be effectively the same as factory, possibly up a bit. But lots of modern high performance engines are very high wear and might not make it to 100K if you beat on it often.

[@LordLoMR2]

Way back in the day, I had a 1993 Camry with rated 130hp. 150k miles, dyno around 90 whp. Lol. I thought it would be close to 100whp.

[@MindzEnt]

You'd be lucky if an ice car had original motor and transmission at 100k specially if you do alot of hard acceleration. I know a couple guys with hellcats their trannys didnt even make it passed 10k miles

[@Cal3000]

M.A. M.R. That’s a load of nonsense. A well designed car will last well on the way to 150k to 200k miles without replacement parts

[@patrikmarcan]

Driver in model S is not sleeping lol, they don't start at the same time! look this 5:02, then this 5:26 while looking at the lights...but yeah he could be a little better at the start haha he's old :P

[@raulcrod]

these are the questions people like me have that are interested in a model 3... dammit brooks another great video lol never a waste of time watching his videos.. stopped following morons like alejandro and a bunch of others that put out garbage click bait.. thanks brooks

[@mmark300]

I tried to correlate this loss into the loss seen with different states of charge. For a model 3, it works out to the difference between a 100% SoC and a 40% SoC. I used the 5% loss in mph as my guide. I ran the 1/4 mile for every 10% rate of charge 20-100% - kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYDGkHlmnKyDnbc Please subscribe.

[@foam27]

The real question is, does AGE or MILES have more impact on the battery? Brooks should have been driving the P100D.

[@curtspray]

And how did you charge the battery with a generator when you got at the track. Thought that never work on these Tesla's. What kind of generator was it. I want one.

[@benthecaptain7419]

There are some that do, according to TFL. If you do some digging you'll find it .

[@curtspray]

@@benthecaptain7419 Well that's why I was asking which one he used. To save me all that digging. A lot of other Tesla owners thought that they had the right generator too, only to have them fail and wasted they're money.

[@benthecaptain7419]

@@curtspray This is the best I can do: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3uYgnRueJiGa80

[@dreamkiss4u]

Did he even try lol... he super looks like he didn't even try and it looks life he was catching up even tho he was late in the start.

[@usasupra23]

Anyone know the hidden menu where to see the cars build sheet on the screen in the car? I heard it is there for every Tesla but can’t find the build sheet on my screen

[@James-oo1yq]

The BHP loss is probably comparable to a combustion engine at those miles...might even be less than the gas burner loss

[@tedbaxter5234]

These are amazing cars! Thanks for the demonstration of battery degradation.

[@benthecaptain7419]

Pretty fun watching you flog that P3D. Then I don't have to do it to mine. As for the power loss, when Ludicrous plus mode is engaged Tesla does warn the driver of damage due to wear and tear. So I would expect it. Thankfully all the power available for being a ninja in daily driving is still fully available. Is the P3D faster than the P100D without Ludicrous and or Launch control engaged?

[@cyumadbrosummit3534]

My P100D only has 52k miles so its not exactly the same, but I've never had to use Ludicrous+ to dispatch my coworkers P3Ds, who seem come off of our work chargers with "inflated battery syndrome." I'm usually able to put about 5 car lengths on them from the light at the on ramp, in standard ludicrous non launch control. The P3D defiantly leaves softer as evident in the 0-60 times

[@benthecaptain7419]

@@cyumadbrosummit3534 Yes from personal experience the S is like getting hit with a hammer if you're unprepared! It would take quite a bit of wear and tear to get the P3D to win, but in this video it isn't far off.

[@cyumadbrosummit3534]

@@benthecaptain7419 Yes, and to think it was only a few years ago the P85D was blowing peoples minds. Yet the performance model 3 has already surpassed it in performance.

[@Excaliberholder]

Dude you might wanna check out speed phenom he did 10.6 in the gt500 in the quarter mile in stock tires and he is an amature. I think you can get low 10s. He also dyno'ed it and it made 705hp to the wheels. And the weight was 4080 pound (non track pack)

[@Newzchspy]

Fattah Rahman time slip or banned?

[@Excaliberholder]

@@Newzchspy time slip

[@Newzchspy]

Fattah Rahman quarter mile time slip on this 10.6 run on stock street tires? Where is it? Link?

[@Excaliberholder]

@@Newzchspy just search speed phenom on youtube

[@Excaliberholder]

@@Newzchspy kzbin.info/www/bejne/epeqp2uKYr2orck

[@fatalfriend]

Let Tesla Racing Channel do the driving

[@sungodspirit1502]

the 2 Teslas on the strip was the quietest drag race iv'e ever heard!

[@hobby_dude_]

So you had the p3d listed at 473, probably 500 with 5% increase a few weeks ago?

[@99cmhmarc]

nope. It's not a 5 % increase in peak power. It's later in the power curve.

[@ludicrousmodel3173]

A brand new P100D would easily destroy a model 3 performance.

[@ZephyrCorsa]

His reaction was inexcusable- wth was that?

[@ZephyrCorsa]

He's gonna need a Tesla just to make up for his RT, put him in a normal car and he has no chance in a race.

[@colind9638]

Whoever was first over the line was irrelevant. The purpose of the test was purely to get the figures

[@flyonbyya]

Colin D You’re correct...RT has zero to do with trap or ET

[@Pabla98]

Lithium ion batteries degrade at a much higher rate over in the beginning of their life spans. After they degrade at a much higher rate, but 10% over 100k miles is quite higher. My p85 is sitting at 115k KILOMETRES and has only seen a roughly 6% loss and i believe it’s still on its original battery. I probably supercharge it once every 2 years and always charge to 90% and never go below 30% that could be why.

[@RobertStaceyYT]

0.05 vs 0.7 second reaction time too

[@texastriguy]

Hey there Brooks. Charging lithium ion batteries can result in the formation of crystalline like structures called dendrites on the surface of the metal foils that make up the anode and cathode of the battery cells. Is this the future? Well - maybe, maybe not. Scientists and battery researchers are always tweaking the materials, chemistry, and charging systems. So this effect may improve over time or even be eliminated to any measurable extent. Since 2016, the chemistry used in the Model S battery cells has changed a few times, as has the battery management protocol software. So a brand new Model S won't necessarily suffer the same power loss that the S in your video did. I guess we'll have to stay tuned to see how this plays out over time, especially as new performance EV's show up from other OEMs.

[@ZephyrCorsa]

Most gas performance cars that are beat on regularly and have 100k miles racked up would definitely have some issues, component failures or need for significant maintenance, far exceeding the amount needed for an EV.

[@almillin3207]

Significant difference in 60ft times between the two and even with the 50hp loss it was on par with your previous 60ft times in your 100D ...

[@arshamskrenes]

Any chance you could find results for a brand new 100D vs one with 100k miles? I suspect that while range loss would be similar, power loss would be immeasurable, since the battery is still capable of delivering more power than the dual motors of the 100D.

[@fuelerinc]

Now we know which Tesla Top Gear used against the Taycan ;)

[@facts-GPT]

Haha right!

[@t0ny2oo4]

Tesla software updates will effect on these numbers on the Model S. Maybe they capped the peak power draw to a lower rate on latest updates?

[@StrykerV8]

I miss the DODGE DEMON videos. I know it's slow and lost every race, but it's such a beautiful heavy car. My absolute favorite.

[@DragTimes]

I've got 99 problems but a Demon ain't one...

[@null2268]

StrykerV8 Don’t let it distract you from the fact that it’s still a 11 second car in the hands of most of its owners. 10 second in some.

[@StrykerV8]

@@null2268 I know :( it was a huge disappointment.

[@60in3.1]

Losing 50HP is NOT ACCEPTABLE!!!!

[@straden79]

any idea how much it would cost to replace battery on model s p100d?

[@TRauck1506]

If you do it yourself probably 16k for a brand new pack or one with less than 20k miles for 13k, but you should be able to sell a used one with 100k miles for 9 - 12k. Go look on ebay because there are a bunch on their, but I figure 3 - 6k not including labor and it is pretty easy to do.

[@charleslong3290]

97k miles = Broken in well!lol

[@MegaHairyass]

With races so shitty and yet this still gets posted

[@thelos8093]

Bro the second race was a joke lol

[@tomhegedosh5487]

I'm pretty shocked how much the trap speed on the 100k Tesla has fallen, I don't think that's acceptable. It does prove that these cars are better to lease than to buy

[@Dfevo]

Don’t forget these cars are probably drag races constantly and always charged over 90% which degrades them faster leasing a Tesla makes little financial sense plus you never see all the long term cost benefits

[@davidfenwick987]

Would you cosider testing ICE vehicles for age related power loss? Leave the range for someone else?

[@the1anonymouse]

People do that on dynos and it all depends on how the vehicle was maintained, there usually isn't as much but that's just a limitation of current Li-Ion batteries because of the chemistry and the way the anode and cathode are structured

[@skylarparks6485]

Maybe you need to change the spark plugs

[@gramps4017]

Grandma reflexes

[@BigSil57]

Like.... Full on taking a nap at the line.. Lol still great content though. A lot of people interested in that info

[@redfirekla]

Awesome video

[@Poxenium]

Definitely needs a battery oil change 😄👌

[@Krishell]

It's just a SW. Not degradation. I noticed instant when this happen. Have a thread on tmc. Not just less power. But throttle response is terrible.. Way better in P85D and P90D.

[@cyumadbrosummit3534]

I remember that thread. I draggy'd both my P100DL and my P85D and the numbers (0-60) didn't confirm what you said...but I do agree the P100D has a slightly softer feeling initial hit (now), than the P85D. My theory is it is suspension related.

[@cyumadbrosummit3534]

Basically, after 100K you can expect your P100D to perform just like a P90D ( and still put 4-6 car lengths on a P3D). 11.0X is still ungodly fast on the street. I'd also be really interested to see what some of the exotics run on normal unprepared and crowned roads, since the P100D doesn't seem to care much about the surface its on. My experience is the Tesla advantage is even greater on a standard road, without the benefit of groomed/rubberized 60ft and liquid trackbite. I wonder if there is a 100K P3D somewhere, that could be tested as well, to compare battery degradation.

[@raheeb1]

Also the Raven cars with the new front motor and other efficiency tweaks with hardware, probably will have them experience slower battery and power degradation in the high mileage future days.

[@shellderp]

you should have switched cars after the 2nd race

[@raheeb1]

Battery technology will progress immensely. The model 3 2170 tech already is significantly better and will not show such degradation. Just wait and see what Tesla comes out with soon for battery tech ... energy density, longevity, weight, etc ...

[@meenoomeenoo4578]

EVs drag race: so quiet it makes u think u r teleporting

[@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921]

Yeah, we are getting multiple reports of light mod ZR1s with cam and e85 mix running 8s all day long run after run. Thats only on mix. I will try and track one down in Florida for your channel.

[@georgeschultz4603]

From my drag racing experience, 100% battery does not result in the best times. Around 91% is best. It is true that as the batteries age the car becomes slower.

[@mmark300]

That was not my experience - closer to 100% has always been better. I tried to correlate this loss into the loss seen with different states of charge. For a model 3, it works out to the difference between a 100% SoC and a 40% SoC. I used the 5% loss in mph as my guide. I ran the 1/4 mile for every 10% rate of charge 20-100% - kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYDGkHlmnKyDnbc Please subscribe.

[@ilmostro16]

Every ICE car will also have a certain percentage loss of HP between 4000 miles and 100,000 miles. You think any vehicle will post exactly the same power when it’s 100K as when it was newer? Think again... 🤣

[@foam27]

They then pass optimal break in, and then decline before 100K

[@jz5937]

ICE cars retain as much or put out more power relative to when they were new if maintenance was kept up. It’s simply the nature of EVs and their operating principles to lose power over time the way they do. Big deal. They start out with so much in the first place, how much does a person really need?

[@floorit321]

@Thomas Rock Agreed. This has been my experience from owning many vehicles with well over 150K miles. Some include a 2004 Infiniti M45, 2008 Infiniti G35, and a 2006 Nissan Altima SE-R, all with very high miles. Mind you, none of them are all that powerful, but they all still run in the high 13's to low 14's, just like they did when new.

[@HellcatDreaminJosh]

Dragtimes Great Video I think it Crazy that Teslas lose 50 HP at 100k Miles

[@lukepatterson6957]

ICE engines lose power over time as well. Not as much, however, can you find any stock cars that can run as fast as the Tesla with 100k miles...

[@mmark300]

I tried to correlate this loss into the loss seen with different states of charge. For a model 3, it works out to the difference between a 100% SoC and a 40% SoC. I used the 5% loss in mph as my guide. I ran the 1/4 mile for every 10% rate of charge 20-100% - kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYDGkHlmnKyDnbc Please subscribe.

[@eichler721]

@@lukepatterson6957 Royalty Exotics has a Huracan with over 100k nothing but maintenance done. Also here is a F430 with 157k stock motor and trans. www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a23026167/high-miles-ferrari-f430-exotic-car/

[@Cloxxki]

To make it fair, go back to the old software version :-D It's like chip tuning a vintage V6 turbo. Not really representative of the original's ageing.

[@yousufmansoor9407]

BIG DISLIKE... MODEL S DRIVER IS SLEEPING

[@nickloong]

The difference is, a keen driver versus a not so keen driver. 😂

[@foam27]

My father's 85D sits in the garage at 90% undriven. I wonder how much loss % per year.

[@ronin7645]

I think batteries will get much better as time goes by. Electric motors will get more efficient as well. There most likely will always be degradation but maybe at a lower pace than today. Also, solid state batteries may burst on the scene one day which will be another game changer. A little over 100 years ago, everyone was riding a horse. I can't imagine what the tech will be 100 years from now. One thing is almost for certain, it won't be a gas engine. Hell, it may not be batteries. The future is bright.

[@15thelongway]

Wind power

[@BryceLovesTech]

I would trade a kidney for either Tesla

[@curtisoien]

It's mostly about the degraded battery. Charging to 100% for racing has taken it's toll.

[@mmark300]

I tried to correlate this loss into the loss seen with different states of charge. For a model 3, it works out to the difference between a 100% SoC and a 40% SoC. I used the 5% loss in mph as my guide. I ran the 1/4 mile for every 10% rate of charge 20-100% - kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYDGkHlmnKyDnbc Please subscribe.

[@CaseyFinSF]

Looked like someone was taking a nap there...DOH!!😴😴😌