High Mounted Optics On Rifles

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[@daltonroth5745]

I love how we went from mounting on carry handles which was optimal height, then cut them off to do a direct mount, learned that sucked, went to a slightly higher mount, and now have started to transition back to a high mount at the same height the handles used to be lol.

[@KalashniKEV762]

Optimal would be a camera in the bullet like a Javelin, and just holdover for the natural drop in the trajectory. 1.93" mounts introduce massive holdovers... which, if you know them, party on... but it robs the goodness of having SCHV flat trajectory. Also you will get shot directly in the forehead, immediately.

[@Triple259772]

Yeah my friend bought a carry handle the other day for shits and giggles, and I put a holo on top of it. That shit was amazing, no strain on my neck at all, I could just point and look through the reticle.

[@winstonsmiths2449]

Marketing is doing its job! Ex-SOFs pimp a product, followers buy them.

[@brandt0]

Part of this evolution back to the higher mounting is driven by night vision, at least on the military and LEO side. 15 years ago, most US Soldiers shot at night with the IR lasers being bore sighted and essentially shooting from the low ready or the hip. The aimpoints and ACOGs just didnt have IR reticles. Now with better IR options on the reticle side, technology has progressed (and become less expensive) that shooting through w/ an IR optic amd reticle with NVGs is much more practical and an option, which necessitates a higher sitting on the weapon system

[@OwlQuil]

Carry handle is the way for sure.

[@bestjobieverhad9584]

When talking about bettering your equipment, operating skills, etc. conducting yourself on a professional and non egotistical manner always brings the best out of any community. Great content.

[@MRsolidcolor]

training.. a master with .22 will win vs a random with 556. understand your tool and use it for the job.

[@Saa45MIV]

@@MRsolidcolor win what? If your talking about a shooting competition then ya of course a really good running .22 is unreal accurate because of 0 recoil and no muzzle blast.

[@Char-nu9ir]

That's a really great point.

[@rekinxxxl]

I'm glad everyone in gun community making video content for youtube is upgrading their cameras and lenses! The better quality in the content is very appreciated.

[@TheEngineerShooter]

Love the Unity FAST mount height (2.26"). More upright head position, makes passive aiming easier with nods, and the offset is marginal compared to the lower heights. People are skeptical until I let them shoulder my rifle. Digging the new content.

[@basti080891]

And the built in irons are genius

[@basti080891]

@@whitestallion531 yes you can. I only use the rear sight in it in combination with a fixed front sight block. Edit: you can see irons through the mount and the sights inside the mount co-witness with standard irons

[@Bsquared1972]

Me too bro. :)

[@theycallmetommyboy2991]

And easier with ear pro as well

[@Bsquared1972]

@@theycallmetommyboy2991 Absolutely!

[@KingNuada86]

I still use absolute co-witness. 1.42 inches. For me it's comfortable. That's with helmet and coms. To me, everyone should try new things, find what works and do it.

[@ianthopson33]

The humility and just overall positive energy from Mojo is a freakin godsend. Be the change

[@Opsgermanysoldier]

as a german soldier i perfected the height over bore game. but you can forget to shoot passivly through it with NV

[@huitzplochit]

No A2's for you guys?

[@joshshepherd5660]

Shout out to all the ---me's---- out there that built a good ol A2 upper (Gary Gordon) carbine years ago and never messed with it...Just bring that sucker up to your shoulder and be amazed at the almost exact alignment of your optic! I find myself shooting that rifle more than almost any other.

[@mxdirtcarver9203]

✅ Lower 1/3 saved my life. Dropping your head and digging your cheek behind the optic made me a smaller target. I took a round to the top of my helmet. I’ll pass on the high mount.

[@TheBrigandBob]

When guy was like, "real talk, I haven't bought one yet", I smashed like. Those mounts be spensive, we all felt that.

[@SovereignExecution]

I'm loving the content flow! You plan on doing a suppressor talk? I know a lot of other youtubers have talked about em but I'd be particularly interested in your thoughts.

[@Ironsight_Army]

Have you checked out his video about his rifle " my main squeeze " He talks about the suppressor he uses & why. If i rember correctly he uses a Gemtech that attaches to any A2 birdcage

[@SovereignExecution]

@@Ironsight_Army I've seen him talk about his rifle in that video but im talking more group discussion as this video is setup. And more of a deep dive into his thoughts on them. Just more detail really. I'm always interested in other vets dealings and the why's of their choices.

[@sribble1]

@@Ironsight_Army That vid he uses a .30 cal Griffin M4SD can. It was not in this video and not sure if he still has it.

[@Ironsight_Army]

@@SovereignExecution I just ordered the Dead Air Wolfman as my 1st suppressor. It is a 9mm/30 cal can that can be used with rifle rounds like 7.62 & 5.56 as well.

[@SovereignExecution]

@@Ironsight_Army oh nice! I literally just bought my first can last month! I went with deadair too! But I went with a sandman k. You go throw some rounds through it yet?

[@Mr.Phoreskin]

The way he absorbs the recoil is mind blowing. He is one with the weapon. Truly a master of his craft.

[@resolute123]

Hella yeah the 80s are back! First guy's presentation with rifle was wicked fast!

[@austinrasmussen1870]

Loving the more consistent upload schedule.

[@elephantcheeze]

same i can watch these all day

[@CliftonHicksbanjo]

We were running handle-mounted CCOs on the M16A2 in 1st Armored Division, 2003-2005.

[@RockyMountainWest13]

Mr Clinton Hicks we must watch all the same videos and channels cause I keep seeing your comments 🇺🇸

[@wbflashover]

Great content MoJo ! ! ! Love the fact that you get multiple opinions on subjects and "work the problem". Thanks

[@robertmosher7418]

When firing a pistol the standard was bring the sights up to your eyesight not your eyes to your sights...obviously meaning to not adjust your natural body position to bring your face down to where you are pointing your pistol. Whereas, when firing a rifle we were taught to bring our face down to the rifle and using the check weld to aquire the sight picture, ensure sight alignment and engage the target. It would make a more consistent use of the two types of small arms to bring your weapon to your eyes with a higher rise rifle sight.

[@theimplication2581]

I have an ADM 1.93 and p4xi on my 11.5 and it's fantastic for shooting on the move from 50-200, but I had to go back to 1/3 on my 14.5 colt socom barreled SHTF rifle because of the prone issues you talked about. It's extremely flat and open where I live, in order to get any concealment and minimize your own position, being able to go prone is essential. Environment dictates kit which is something I think a lot of guys forget or just don't know from prior experience when building out their weapon platform. Great content again Mojo, quickly becoming one of the best in the business. Appreciate you, brother.

[@TRIBOMAN1]

funny how everything comes full circle. We used to run ampoints on our carry handles on colt commandos. worked great for keeping our heads up and amor front. then flat tops became the thing with a hard cheek weld . My neck would get sore and felt like we had poor situational awareness. good to see the young guys bringing back the high mounts. Good stuff on the latest training techniques. Regards and train hard with your team, Good foot work saved my life..Stay safe!

[@Bsquared1972]

Very cool vid. Watching some of the prior Tier 1 guys, for speed of acquisition the high optic is now the new hotness. The GBRS guys explain this really well, and you guys confirmed it. Great advice and a cool demo of different types of optics and how you use them. Thank you!

[@prfwrx2497]

Personally, high mounted optics are great for offhand, NODs passive aiming, and battle rattle interference (straps, comms, gas masks, respirators, etc). However, there's also a time and place for conventional height, even lower height. Primarily, when shooting from cover. The higher that sight line is from the bore line, the more of yourself is being exposed to clear that shot. Ideally, I think there's a time and place for everything. ACOG on A2/A4 handle is just fine. Give that extra clearance and eye relief while retaining lower sight line, just in case. What's even better IMO is Prism/LPVO with piggy dots. For run/gun offhand, use the dot. For firing from cover, drop your head down and save your head from incoming. Less neck craning too. Offset dots also let you cant your gun and get down even lower on the deck... And that is also nice. I wouldn't dismiss that idea. If I'm out somewhere wide open flat as a fuckin pancake, little cover or terrain features to hide behind, I would seriously consider offset. The lower I can get while returning fire, the better.

[@xefitnop]

i dont really get good eye relief on ACOGs unless i am right on the rear lense. Not as bad with the LVPO but i still notice it. I've always been a red dot/holographic guy i think because my eye relief issues never manifest with it. I feel comfortable hitting targets out to 300 yards with it, a consideration is target identification and positive id etc though.

[@springbloom5940]

I use a rear iron, chopped off a carry handle, with the ring cut off the aperture and a fixed front. I full cowitness with a red dot, so I can put down the peep and have a clear view through the optic and raise it for precision. So, Im always training on iron and glass simultaneously and the mechanics are exactly the same. Plus, I can always rezero one, off the other.

[@prfwrx2497]

@@xefitnop yup the issued one got real short eye relief, and the carry handle thumb nut is canted back to help with this. Somewhat. Damn the A2 stock + IBA combo tho. Fuck that shit esp with ACOG

[@MasterChiefSargeant]

Just turn your rifle sideways and you're good to go

[@mrminiguns]

You bring up a good point on exposing more of your head to get firing solutions from cover. Iirc one of the reasons Simo Haya preferred to not use optics on his m28 is because of the dangers posed by raising his head to achieve a sight picture.

[@brandonspencer2091]

Awesome video Mojo, love the content and how humble you are.

[@drakeferiancek3681]

Love seeing your friends on these! Love all the different takes

[@tootie589]

Thank you for these uploads Mojo! Keep doing you man. In the future can you make a post about the importance or theory of duty gear placement? As a rookie patrolman, I am finding myself moving my gear around my outer carrier and belt constantly. I figure it’s a trial and error thing but your impromptu gear setup helped me quite a bit.

[@bl4ckmagic345]

Hell yeah. Thanks Nate and Joe

[@heatfirearms]

The term "LPVO" has been kicking everyone's ass lately. You're still the man Mojo.

[@EarlEaton]

Greatly appreciate the knowledge shared in your videos. I look forward to more of your content.

[@operatpoor9445]

The new retro intro is sick man. Also: This is a postive comment for the KZbin algorithm.

[@chadfurtney3019]

Awesome video. I've run the higher mounts on my 1x optics due to neck issues. After watching this I may have to shell out the coin for a higher LPVO mount. Keep killn' it Mojo

[@Rudolfisareindeer]

Man it's good seeing my boys working it.

[@MagicPrepper]

I just switched over to 1.93" Scalarworks mounts and it is definitely a learning curve but, I am already finding it to be more comfortable. Especially when using them with a skeletonized stock. The chin weld works better for that application imo.

[@michaelweeks7997]

The fact that mojo said he rocked a riser for a while made me feel like I wasn't such a poor. 😄 I had a riser mount that I chopped in half and have been rocking that for both my rifles to see if I even liked the higher rise on my optics... in the end, I'm a believer. I'll be investing in the higher optics mounts shortly. 👏 👏

[@majesticog9281]

LOVE how often you’ve been uploading lately

[@DesertTactical]

This video was enjoyable all around! Thanks for sharing.

[@evanbordash8580]

Love that cold start drill!

[@joejoeseesingtons]

Been waiting for this video from one of the major gun tubers. I have the unity tactical on my EOTech and I've grown to love it

[@rupert916]

Jason Falla is the man. Trained with him 3 times and hope to do more.

[@dylonswiatek]

thanks guys alot of good info here relevant to current procurement needs

[@pehenry]

The nice thing about the Larue, there's enough space on the riser to mount your magnifier, without having to get a new mount.

[@charles.in.charge]

Slick intro, great content, thanks Mojo 🤙

[@thisissparta8884]

Loved the retro intro!

[@peady64]

Happy New Year Mojo!!!

[@typsyflacko1939]

Awesome shit man more of these!

[@EastCoastMan603]

Joe looking like he’s rocking that mk18….what a beautiful short little carbine. 🙏🏻🇺🇸 Awsome intro btw.

[@rvlt7011]

How can someone not love Mojo?

[@TheNapalmFTW]

Love this content, mojo.

[@cozycare1655]

Solid upload for this Monday morning. I’d want to switch over to something higher, since right now I’m running absolute and lower 1/3s on my rifles. However we don’t have anywhere here in my state where we can just “freely” shoot in the backwoods. Unless there’s a secret club doing training on private land. So training is limited with live rounds. Mahalo again for the upload. 15:50 that kid has awesome trigger discipline 😎🤙🏽

[@rccaraddict294]

Hard to find content on this that’s good and helpful ! Thanks guys , new sub

[@ruthlessreviews1283]

Proud user of the YHM to set my EOTECH and G45 magnifier on. Also discovered that a 1/2” riser will being a magnifier on a lower 1/3 mount up to a usable height to work behind my T2 on a Unity mount

[@stonewulf2755]

Thanks, appreciate the first hand experience. And hello from the wheat fields of eastern Washington.

[@nakotaapache4674]

happy new year and great experiences.

[@dub-bn3rb]

Sick video to start the year mojo 🤘

[@feltav5719]

Saw a video of you ages ago. Amazing bro. God bless

[@cliffarnold7463]

Great content as per usual!

[@brandt0]

Part of this evolution back to the higher mounting is driven by night vision, at least on the military and LEO side. 15 years ago, most US Soldiers shot at night with the IR lasers being bore sighted and essentially shooting from the low ready or the hip. The aimpoints and ACOGs just didnt have IR reticles. Now with better IR options on the reticle side, technology has progressed (and become less expensive) that shooting through w/ an IR optic amd reticle with NVGs is much more practical and an option, which necessitates a higher sitting on the weapon system

[@energizerkelley]

Good conversation and points.

[@jakk9278]

another great topic, and vid, parekoy!

[@iCodinee]

Mojo looking fresh! Loving the uploads!

[@jacksin3323]

I just got the primary arms 1x prism and was trying to figure out the risers when this video popped up. Damn good timing. Thanks for the info. Enjoy all that snow. You can keep it. 😆

[@EOTechN9ne]

I think with modern stocks, raising the buttpad to make the gun higher (as you showed in your past military experience) isn't that much worse than full shoulder contact because you still get that nice cheek weld to hold the gun down which offsets the less buttpad on your shoulder.

[@TheR1Max]

Carry handles are cheap and solid with rear sights. There are awesome mounts for most optics with the ability to use the fixed irons. My A1 is set up that way with 3x cyclops. Love it

[@typhoonKaiz07]

I run Scalarworks 1.93 on all my rifles because I still believe that iron sights still has its place. Scalarworks allows me to easily remove the optic if I ever need to without losing zero. Great video, man.

[@totenfurwotan4478]

The unity high mount has Iron sights built into the mount 🤷‍♂️

[@Nuke-China]

@@totenfurwotan4478 But cheekweld is basically non existent

[@totenfurwotan4478]

@@Nuke-China its perfectly fine, you dont need a cheekweld. Chin weld is literally no different and is more comfortable in terms of neck position. They are far superior then regular height mounts, plus now I can passive aim under NODs.

[@Nuke-China]

@@totenfurwotan4478 I shoot better getting a consistent cheekweld. You can still passive aim under NODs with a lower 1/3.

[@totenfurwotan4478]

@@Nuke-China lol not well you can’t. A chin weld is literally no different. You just find a different spot to be consistent too

[@millybadison767]

Refreshing video brutha!!!! Keep it up 🤙🏽🤙🏽

[@jasonburns6411]

Just found your channel and love the content. Keep it up!

[@mongo5564]

Great channel. Love from snowy Northern Arizona!

[@xdm38]

Just picked up a Unity FAST mount for my MRO HD. So far I'm very pleased.

[@DZ4295DBW]

Love seeing another person running an LT101 riser.

[@thebadness6217]

great vid guys. Thanks for the content.

[@KCYO0311]

My personal opinion in like the CQC role I’d go with the higher mounted optics to that lower mid range. But for patrolling out in the middle of nowhere Afghanistan or very long engagement distances id go with the ACOGs and Elcans on the lower mounts. More stable shooting position and allows you to prone out lower for avoiding incoming and have a better position. I’d also say that having multiple optics for different mission sets is ideal. Something for short/mid range then another for your medium to longer engagements

[@mrminiguns]

Another excellent tool for the toolbox given that it fits your purposes

[@tylertapp131]

Good stuff fellas, I started out with an absolute and eventually started goin up.... and up..... and up..... lol I could of saved alot of money if I had just skipped all the inbetweens and went straight to the unity fast mount I have now but hey. Gotta learn somehow, I'm extremely happy with the 2.26 fast mount and I'm not ever goin back to a lower sighting system again. The cool thing about the unity aswell is the fact it's got a built in aperture that cowitness's perfect with a front post or flip up so you never have to worry about yanking a mount off to use your irons if shit gets hairy.

[@peterazpeitia4715]

Thank you

[@SCOTTGANK]

Look ur friend in the eye and say "you cute ass'.... a USMC statement, 4sho! Luv the content, brotha. Thanks for teaching us commoners sum skill. Happy New Year!

[@setsuna200]

Devgru and Delta were essentially doing this when they used 416s. An exps3 is already raised with the 416 upper reciver where you mount optics and rail are slightly elevated, so this has been a thing. The issue I s have with it too high is that height over bore issue. Sure, it feels natural, but we now have to compensate all the time for it being too high. An exps3 along any ar platform works fine. What would prevent us from bringing our cheek to far down would be a cheek cushion on the stock or a riser like the LaRue one. It helps mitigate this issue but also doesn't have such a high height over bore.

[@josephsantana3094]

Just got a scalarworks 1.93 on my 14.5. Already never want to go back to lower 1/3. 1.93 is so much more comfortable and natural feeling.

[@Sw00per_actual]

The last 4.5 mins had lots of good info. It would be interesting to see that same discussion with PCCs.

[@mikejust8215]

Joe!!! Love the newer intro Mojo.

[@ryanrudolph2857]

Love the new intro!!

[@brettclark2420]

Love the retro intro

[@coryjanko]

Solid knowledge transfer. Rah.

[@mertmcguire]

Best intro music.

[@Night-Owl-]

I've got a lower 1/3 mount on my ak's ultimak, I mainly got it to use my modbutton and still use my dot without my thumb blocking my dot. Super comfy not being hunched over anymore. Aiming with my m40 is super easy now too.

[@HC-ov2hh]

Great Video! Glad I found this channel fro Grande Thumb. Know how to work with what you have. You are the weapon.

[@bravo6601]

Milspec “ the man “ mojo always comin through with the bomb vids …

[@jsmiley12]

Great content!

[@dolphin8815]

Gasmask man gets me feeling all silly inside.

[@arcangelsecurity]

We were using S&B 1-4 short dots with 1.93 larue mounts in Iraq since 06...the cooler guys before even that. nothing new.. The M4s had ARMS SIR rails which pushed the optics up to about 2.0 inch

[@unruffledmele6185]

Tactical Timmy we need these things 😂😂 I love it ❤️ I feel like your the tactical Timmy lmao

[@Chinyai]

Excellent video, I'm glad you have been posting more content; I've always found you to be an honest dude about what you do and what you use as well. You guys mentioned optics around your suppressors, wondering if you could explain that more. Is it the girth of the suppressor you're talking about (gonna get trolled for this...girth)? Also what suppressors are you guys using and what decisions went into that suppressor? Thanks guys!

[@LiberatorActual]

I don't run NV, I just don't have the extra to spend on it right now, but I do run the Midwest Industries NV riser for the T1/T2 footprint optics. Love it.

[@urgi.j0e]

Content lately has been 👌🏼

[@mikehancho5286]

Cheers from the Snoqualmie valley!

[@resolute123]

Can you show what you explained to Joe re hostering? I didn't quite get it when you were explaining it.

[@ashtonhay2656]

Great info

[@ronaldluther324]

Keep rolling out the content Mojo! 👍 👊🇺🇸🇺🇸💪

[@medicbrndn]

I’ve used a LPVO on patrol/SWAT in the low 1.44 mounts for around a decade. Great for prone but comms and helmet it’s a no go. Trijicon 1-8 so sight picture with mask standing is a no go. Rely on laser. Switched to Reptilia 1.70.

[@Ucepava6841]

My guy Nate!

[@AlwayzPr0]

The utg risers are solid, I've used one for a few years no issues. Dropped it a few times without issue

[@daven8905]

I get the 2.26” advantage because of night vision use for special units. For a regular person, it might create more problems than it solves. Having said that, I don’t have a riser for my Eotech, and I may still get one to try out at some point.

[@texasghost-rider]

excellent !