HIGHEST WIN% IN LEGACY! It's NOT Delver! Moon Stompy / Red Prison- 62% Win Rate in Showcase (MTG)

[@Quiron1985]

Still remember back in the 90's I entered a T1.5 tournament with this deck. I remember playing Bloodmoons, Mox Diamonds and a couple more mana-rocks, Covetous Dragon as a finisher after destroying all lands, Smokestacks and Armageddons... It was called some kind of Red Prison deck back in the day. Good to see this archtype does very well again in Legacy.

[@ThrabenUniversity]

Yeah, the threats in the deck have gotten waaayyyy better, but the lock pieces haven't really changed.

[@foodforfaeries]

@@ThrabenUniversity ah sorry 27:25 The other blood moon is in play and I think it's pretty unlikely to get removed vs this deck but

[@foodforfaeries]

I replied to you on the wrong comment OTL

[@ThrabenUniversity]

@@foodforfaeries ​ @Lysander Wilkins Uh, I'm guessing I was playing overly cautiously vs a potential Marit Lage.

[@painmerchantgaming5193]

OMG. type 1.5 made me think of Extended and it gives me happy memories!

[@KrepesKrepes]

there's always been something about mono-red prison lists that's so pleasing and elegant to me. every card has such a clear purpose--no filler, all killer, and the small synergies within the deck (shatterskull as a pitchable land, sokenzan tokens to crew hearse, reflections copying fury, etc) are so satisfying when they come together. great games and great commentary 👍

[@smegmalasagna]

4:13 In the case of Shatterskull Smashing however it is a land that can be pitched to Chrome Mox and Fury which makes it more than worth it.

[@mcguirecj]

Yeah, you can argue about the correct number of Dens to run, and I think you can make a case for any number from 1 to 4 being correct. Shatterskull Smashing is an undisputed 4-of at this point due to its flexibility.

[@kperk1]

21:32 you could see a green source in the grave which made it very likely force of vigor was in the deck

[@jb-lt5rv]

This was my suggestion, thanks so much for doing this. Can't wait to finish this video.

[@painmerchantgaming5193]

I'm looking to build a mono Red Painter Grindstone deck (no Lion's Eye Diamonds) looking to see you build/ play one. How do I Sponser that?

[@philipptenelsen4755]

1:09:10 could you take R from den before it got killed and still play chalice pre combat (with colorless floating)? I guess your opponent misplayed and killed den in 1st main instead of beginning of combat

[@ThrabenUniversity]

Yup! I was just caught very off guard by the misplay and made one right back!

[@archonambroseus]

Mono-red has been my favorite Legacy deck to watch for a long time, and it's always really fun when it's well positioned in the meta. There's just something about playing three-mana beaters on turn one that warms the soul.

[@TheGilbane]

Love me some red stompy. Any excuse to cast Chandra in legacy!

[@sickboystg]

This looks fun. It's not your typical red prison. I took apart delver back when oko, arcanist, etc are bans. I've been on infect since and it's an uphill fight against delver, they do what you do but they can count to 20 and have better card selection. I might have to sleeve this up and take it to legacy night!

[@ThrabenUniversity]

Yeah, it's almost like Red Prison and Moon Stompy are just different decks at this point. If you compare this to the Jokulhaups video I posted today, for example, they are just different decks entirely even though they share a core.

[@cwu1]

I’m playing a version of this deck with 1x Laelia, the Blade Reforged and 3x Chandra, Torch of Defiance instead of 4x Legion Warboss

[@cwu1]

@@hamishfox Laelia triggers with Chandra, Torch of Defiance’s 1st ability too

[@mehra6712]

4x city of traitors in paper is maybe too big of an investment for me. Is this playable without them, or that cripples it's speed way too much?

[@ThrabenUniversity]

If you want to play at big, competitive events, they are necessary. If you're going to play at your local game store once a week or something, you can work around it. Crystal Vein is sometimes a budget option.

[@idlemindedmage6925]

I looked at your life total and you can't stop me!

[@jerryfreeman1950]

If you were to play this deck in paper, would you find a place for Maddening Hex? If so, what would you cut for it? Or is the double red requirement too much? Would love your thoughts on Maddening Hex in red prison. Thanks for the continued excellent content, Phil.

[@cwu1]

I’m playing a version of this deck with 1x Laelia, the Blade Reforged and 3x Chandra, Torch of Defiance instead of 4x Legion Warboss

[@ThrabenUniversity]

I haven't tested that card at all, but I have heard good things. I'd be willing to test it in the sb, but I don't think it belongs in the maindeck. RR makes it much less attractive in game 1.

[@shalop5614]

Hey Phil did you see the cftsoc3 legacy challenge decklist? Its bant splash red maindeck carpet of flowers yorion Spellseeker GSZ blink deck , absolute pile but looked so cool. Really sweet tech from modern as well playing abundant growth for astrolabe-like mana fixing

[@ThrabenUniversity]

Yeah, it's a cool deck for an expected, inbred metagame.

[@shalop5614]

@@ThrabenUniversity the metagame is great, its full of questions like how many maindeck hyrdoblasts should I play to counter my opponents maindeck pyroblasts

[@nickyoung7508]

Supporting you on Patreon is the best $5 I spend every month. Keep the awesome content coming!

[@nmnate]

Just from the decklist, I can tell this is pretty spicey. I love aggro + prison.

[@tobynburke4959]

In round 2 you could see the bayou in exile when you played out the unlicensed hearse stating they probably don't have green.

[@conovan5081]

Is hazoret a viable finisher? I really like the card

[@AdamBittner]

Are the Karn builds generally better than the stompy/aggro builds? They sure feel powerful when they curve a T1 trinisphere into a T2 Karn + Liquimetal Coating lock where I never get a chance to cast a spell. The creatures seem less scary.

[@ThrabenUniversity]

Generally, yes, as of right now. "Getting people dead" is a pretty good strategy when so many people are setting up to grind a long game. This will absolutely fluctuate with the meta though.

[@aidan4771]

Such a cool deck! Seeing fable do work in Legacy is sick!

[@foodforfaeries]

Also not sure it would have made a huge difference but round three game one, is there a reason you put spirit guide under the mox instead of the second blood moon? I feel like the 2/2 body was more potentially relevant bc of hearse

[@ThrabenUniversity]

Without a timestamp, I'm guessing I really wanted Blood Moon and wanted to play around it getting countered, thoughtseized, or destroyed.

[@Magnivore519]

Content suggestion: if this is even possible swap the chat box and the game log so we can see the banter you get in with your opponents. Otherwise good as usual.

[@Hyenadont]

around 20:05 you mention trinisphere playing well against hogack, but with the Delve rules as they are right now that's no longer true. Delve doesn't reduce the cost anymore, but each card exiled pays for 1 generic of the cost, so for example treasure cruise can be cast for 1 mana as technically the 8 was paid through trinisphere. I don't know how long ago this rules interaction was changed or why, but it's there.

[@korisak4339]

Why is he running red blast instead of pyroblast, which is strictly better?

[@crispycaveman9164]

This is going to be my first legacy deck

[@markcargill1304]

@22min. There was a bayou in graveyard making it clearly a bug deck

[@Martian_Manhunter]

The best Magic is the kind that keeps your opponent from playing the game.

[@AlphaCocoAudio]

Those rabblemasters are adorable

[@sonnymkatz]

love this deck!!

[@lucassbanks]

Needs more Jokulhaups!

[@ThrabenUniversity]

Give me a week ;)

[@lucassbanks]

@@ThrabenUniversity you have 7 days. The clock starts now.

[@jessespence696]

Putting a chalice on one will kill delver by itself. Putting moon on turn two will also do significant work. Doing both consistently seems like the best against delver, but not good against all decks in the format. opps all spells, TEST, and belcher probably stomp the shit outta this list.

[@ajax4709]

You lied to me basic swamp!!!

[@dirtydeeds4free553]

When a monkey can drive i car i am always happy

[@fightpickswithmasontrace5482]

Trinisphere has zero impact on "Hogaak specifically". Hogaak still gets to cost 0.

[@GodammitNappa]

"if you keep playing cards that affect the board one after another" That is a proactive tempo deck. Delver is a reactive tempo deck, makes sense it struggles Edit: every time I see legacy with karn the great creator it just shuts down so much. Honestly kinda too strong.

[@NerdGlassGamingPA]

COMMENT FOR SUPPORT !

[@tony.v]

That swamp in round 4... 😕

[@alexwayne2581]

trinisphere is not good against hogak, they are paying the cost just using alt methods so trinisphere doesn't effect it

[@foodforfaeries]

Wow round two op baited you good lmao

[@couchpotatoe91]

Before even watching the matches I just look at this list and can't see how this deck can reliably beat a murktide even with unlicensed hearse. With ensnaring bridge and Karn you can at least overload them with lockpieces even if they draw their single brazen borrower.

[@shalop5614]

You race it?

[@couchpotatoe91]

@@shalop5614 Seems difficult when your opponent has free counterspells, 1 mana removal and efficient flying creatures.

[@shalop5614]

@@couchpotatoe91 Well apparently not looking at this decks win-rate versus delver.

[@couchpotatoe91]

@@shalop5614 An archetype doesn't have one specific list it's married to. There's a lot of red stompy decks out there and I fully believe that they have an overall good winrate against delver. I just don't think that maindeck inlicensed hearse is good in the current format or even against delver unless you play it very early while something like bridge still works with your goblins quite well and stops opposing threats from attacking even if you draw it late or the murktide is already out.

[@ThrabenUniversity]

The sb Leylines help considerably, as do the blasts.

[@benlittle5543]

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