Can Islam Be Modernised?

[@HikmaHistory]

Is Islam compatible with Modernity? For more Modern History of the Islamic world, check out the FULL playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLiPhmAD3I2Jz6goEJlQ1zh6KkbeBWZ2pP

[@muhammedjaseemshajeef6781]

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[@commodusmeridius4718]

Why the hell Islam has to be modernized What's your problem

[@damorcro2403]

Very interesting video. What confuses me a bit in the video is the terminology. On the one hand it seems to be referencing just the form of government. In this case, the answer obviously must be "yes" simply by the examples we have: Turkey is a democratic republic, Morocco a constitutional monarchy, Libya used to ba basically (its very own brand of) communist, Iran is a theocracy, and Saudi-Arbia an absolute monarchy; the only conclusion can be that Islam is compatible with any form of government. Isn't it? On the other hand modernity seems to be posed as something of a dirty word and something inherently Western. Why would that be? We're all living now, why would the West have ownership over certain forms state? By posing this false dichotomy, it sounds like you cannot be a democratically oriented person, and a good Muslim? This seems weird to me.

[@JenerikEt]

Bro cite your sources!!! This channel could be such an amazing resource giving lesser known cultures more eyes on them, but none of this is academically credible, for all I know you're just making this up

[@sultanskinny]

@@damorcro2403this is a good question. The reason for this dichotomy is due to the concept of modernity being synonymous with westernization. A modern government should look like a western government. A modern military should like a western military. These things were the easiest for Muslims to digest as they were mostly material. But then comes the real issue. Should a modern society should like a western society? Should modern ethics follow western secular ethics? Should a modern woman look and act like a western woman? These were the bigger causes for concern and thus why modernity has a bit of a negative connotation. The next episode will talk about this a bit.

[@philipsalama8083]

I bet the comments on this one will be nothing but polite, respectful and well thought out...

[@HikmaHistory]

I have hope

[@muhammedjaseemshajeef6781]

I think so

[@aimanmarzuqi4804]

Fingers crossed

[@philipsalama8083]

@@HikmaHistory Good video by the way.

[@Based_Proletariat]

​​@@ds698 Oh but Christians don't right? 🤡 Islamophobe

[@hazat8123]

There is a difference between modern and Western. When people speak of Modernising Islam they actually mean Westernising it

[@Nobody-q2j]

Exactly. Westernization doesn’t mean modern. They are actually heathenistic.

[@CatnamedMittens]

​@@Nobody-q2jto be fair so are the Saudis and gulf states. They aren't exactly monks.

[@Nobody-q2j]

@@CatnamedMittens Oh, please don’t think I have a high opinion of them. They are slum lords who have Arabia held captive. My opinion of them is the opinion I have of a warthog.

[@skp8748]

​@@CatnamedMittens qatar? Oman?

[@CatnamedMittens]

@@skp8748 Kuwait, UAE

[@AlMuqaddimahYT]

This reminds me, we should have a livestream soon.

[@Omer1996E.C]

I'm going to watch your video on Palestine first, Palestine really matters

[@studentfmk9084]

Brother that is the best news heard. Do more livestreams with each other, you both complement each other spectacularly

[@kcnmsepognln]

I just wanted to say how much I enjoy your channel and how much I have learned. Being schooled in England in the mid-Eighties, it's perhaps not surprising that my education of Islam and the Near/Middle-East can be summarised in two words: "the Crusades". So you might imagine just how eye-opening your videos are and I look forward to each one. PS I was watching something about the early history of Iraq, which referred to the "House of Wisdom" and it made me smile to make the connection to your channel! PEACE

[@theokra]

No core doctrine will ever be changed, but things that are up to interpretation can always adapt to modern times, as medieval scholars did in their times.

[@skp8748]

Not until there is a just and accepted ulema. No one is listening to western imposed dictators or the learned ones that fear their wrath

[@muslimresponse103]

except that we have much more resources today to know how the sahaba interpreted islam compared to the medieval scholars. so if the USA was to stay out of our business, the Muslim world would become much more conservative and religious insha’Allah but also stronger in economy and military and technology.

[@muslimresponse103]

@@maxg8766 I was talking about Islam and Muslims not shiaism.

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

Basically aquedah vs jurisprudence

[@udyandas]

@@maxg8766 Correct

[@shakeelali20]

Short Answer: No. Long Answer: No, because Bid'ah (innovation in terms of changing religious doctrine) is a big-time no-no for most Orthodox sects. Islam has a built in "no new rules allowed" mentality, so modernizing would be antithetical to it's belief systems. I await the perfectly reasoned and love filled responses from the comments section!

[@Aetherguy-cb9bu]

That's the claim, yet I think the way the creeds are developing and the way that new movements are popping up (e.g. salafism) there is quite some leeway in regards to the supposed perennialism of islam. Protestantism claimed to be a purer form of Christianity as well and look where it got us. The issue here (in my eyes) is the term modernization, as if there were a linear way of westernizing a population to make them objectively "better", telling muslim women wearing the hijab supposedly automatically oppresses them and that it's OK to drink or whatever.

[@Omer1996E.C]

​@Aetherguy-cb9bu lol, you said salafism Literally, the word "salafi" that's the origin of the word "salafism" means ascendant/predecessor, which preaches that all new rules must be prohibited, among others. It's referred by some as muslim "ultra orthodox"

[@shakeelali20]

@@Aetherguy-cb9bu See that's the issue in my opinion. Pointing out the prevalence of new movements and sects does not mean Islam is open to change or interpretation. If anything the Salafis are a great example of a group who think so hard-line 7th century religious philosophy is what a 21st century world needs. Modernizing things like alcohol consumption and how much one should be covered are trivial at best, especially when Islam has much deeper rooted problems at a doctrinal level.

[@YukonMonamee]

@Aetherguy-cb9bu there has been no developing creeds! There are sects and deviations nothing more. Aqeedah has remained the same amongst all the scholars of sunnah since the companions of the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasalam. What you coin as salafism is a clear indication that you do not even know what you're talking about, it is required in the Quran and the sunnah of Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasalam to follow as-salaf as-saalih (pious predecessors) which means to follow the example of Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasalam himself and his companions, the tabaeen, tabi tabaeen and all those people of note who followed in line with preceeding generations. Salafism isn't even a thing its a political term just like "wahabi" to charge the mind with pre conceived notions of falsehood. So no there is no leeway in the aqeedah of islam..

[@YukonMonamee]

@@shakeelali20 exactly.

[@daveacbickford]

Another amazing video, I truly appreciate the quality of your work, I have learned so much from your content - I noticed someone commented they having grown up in the 80s in the UK the middle east was basically summed up as "The Crusades". In my case growing up in Australia in then 90s, we barely even had that much - at most we have Australia's WW1 involvement, and even that was limited to the Gallipoli landings, little else. Between yourself and Jabzy who's also been doing some amazing (and massive) content on Middle Eastern history, I've learned an immeasurable amount - your work continues to fuel my thirst for my historical knowledge, and for that I thank you. PEACE 😊

[@minticedteaenjoyer]

Short answer: no. Long answer: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

[@whathell6t]

I’m guessing you don’t count American Muslim as modern because they now belong to the American Melting Pot Culture.

[@Mushin367]

I think it’s possible, but very difficult. We need both a genius theorist and open-minded governments who can institute the recommended policies.

[@SnugglePWuggles]

@@Mushin367 ideology's responsible for strapping children with bombs and walking them into crowds don't belong in modern civilization

[@DistantTravels]

@@Mushin367Islam cannot be changed, but there is space for the interpretation of government policies, and not to mention there is no exact way a government must be run, there are only certain regulations.

[@alainjoseph7790]

The actual question should be is Islam compatible with secular western values? No, it’s not. Islamic societies have been trying to compete with Western European nations by adopting the latter’s ways and it’s not working for various reasons. Islam doesn’t come from the west, you can’t separate religion from the cultures that it’s formed in. The trajectory that the Ottomans, Persians, Mughals took isn’t the same as France, Spain or the UK. It’s time for people to realize that there is no blueprint to reaching development, nationhood or prosperity. Muslims need to stop expecting that “doing it” by European standards means success. European/ Americans have to come to grips that their values are not sacred. After all the west isn’t Utopia with all its development neither are Islamic nations with their long history, tradition and innovations

[@SinaAla]

💯 👍 You know what’s up 👏

[@jeviosoorishas181]

I kind of disagree with this statement. There are many people who live under secular governments all over the world that practice the religion of Islam with no problems even in Western Countries. The issue is can there be a return to the glory of past "Islamic Empires" under secular government, and I think the answer is a resounding "No."

[@Danisifonia]

⁠​⁠@@jeviosoorishas181hey Muslim living in a secular country here! I wanted to touch on the point of just how different Islamic values are in contrast to Western ones. In Islam we believe in Equity not total Equality (western value) which has implications legislatively and with gender dynamics. In Islam we also don’t believe in full freedom and, in many areas for secular countries, there’s too much freedom and too little morality. Another point is about democracies and how they aren’t looked upon so proudly and championed as a form of government that western countries praise. To sum up, these differences in values do create schisms in lives for Muslims and we will have to see in time if the West will be able to listen and accommodate for Muslims who truly believe in their Islamic values. The crux of it is the values Islam believes in are not identical , although similar in some cases, to Western countries. So now you will get to a point when analyzing this and say, which side concedes their values? Since Islam is a religion with the claim to all humanity and the West is an amalgamation of cultures and ideologies of a period of time, it’s really the test of time that will help Muslims and others better understand how these values stack up against each other, which side deserves foundational criticism, and which side can resolve it. Hope this gives some perspective!

[@Danisifonia]

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[@gabbar51ngh]

Christianity didn't come from West either. Islam by design is a rigid backwards religion. Whatever positive aspect is attributed to it mostly comes from other cultures it took over. Islam on it's own is extremely hollow and unable to allow any free thought. They're bound not to succeed or get ahead.

[@mrmr446]

An interesting take but it managed to imply that corruption and repression in an older state were compatible with Islam and not clear signs of hypocrisy of the regime while a more representative and tolerant government would be in some way at odds with the faith? Not on any doctrinal grounds unless Salafism is taken to represent more than a minority.

[@MunnaMobile000]

One thing I always wonder, whenever fellow Muslims glorify the first three generations as being the pinnacle of faith and creed, is one simple question: "Did it actually work for them?" The same three generations that saw the Caliphate barely last three decades before it permanently became a series of rival dynastic monarchies (in which these generations actively took part to gain power and patronage. those who didnt were ostracized or killed in cold blood by their peers) under which Islam as a faith and aspiring political system actually evolved, developed and crystallized. The same first three generations' activities also laid the ground for numerous political disputes on power and succession essentially form the basis of sectarian conflict that remains unresolved 1400+ years later. Sure, its easy to cite how these generations saw lands from Iberia to Indus fall under Muslim control, but conquering lands by sword isn't exactly an article of faith is it? Otherwise the Mongols had a much bigger land empire in a much shorter time, as did the Europeans later. Does that mean their faiths became supreme just because of how much real estate they acquired by force? Maybe its time to move on from the first three generations and understand that their era and this era can never be one again. Islam and Muslims need to have a rethink of the faith by themselves. Its a difficult and probably unresolvable series of conversations in which deep differences are admitted, acknowledged, and treated as equals.

[@nzx.]

this!

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

Take the good from the sahaba (how perfect was their ibadah) and leave their mistakes (sectarianism and politics)

[@MunnaMobile000]

@@user-op8fg3ny3j was their ibadah really that "perfect" too and can it be separated from their political and societal conducts?

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

@@MunnaMobile000 yes, the prophet literally said we will never come close to them even if we were to give a mount uhud of gold for Allah. They would even be able to complete the entire quran in 1 rakah

[@MunnaMobile000]

@@user-op8fg3ny3j plenty of Sahih ahadith in which the Prophet warned that many Sahaba after him will be face a bad fate in the Afterlife for their biddah and dishonorable conduct (Bukhari 6582, 6593, 7003, 7049).

[@joeshmoe8345]

Thanks for sharing and shoutout to sultan skinny

[@TheDragonborn97]

Religion is forgotten or looked the other way as soon as money is pouring in, so yes

[@YukonMonamee]

Yes if you're a christian or a jew. So no.

[@YukonMonamee]

Nope. You can't change islam. Only the people change what they choose to follow.

[@TheDragonborn97]

@@YukonMonamee Religion no, but one society's view and values, as well as beliefs towards a religion yes

[@gabbar51ngh]

Only solution is to get rid of Islam itself.

[@DeadstockDownsouth]

Another great vid thx

[@StoicHistorian]

Great vid, this is a very interesting question

[@ADot-fi1ny]

Islam revolves around Quran and Sunnah with the 'understanding' of the salaf al-uhmmah. So innovation and modernisation is basically forbidden. So the answer to the question is no.

[@netaji-thebritishslayer]

innovation and modernisation in religion makes sense only if religion wre to be perfect!!unfortunately no religion on the planet is perfect!!

[@Syria_Free_Palestine_will_too]

@@netaji-thebritishslayer Islam are perfect, but Muslims are not.

[@mirzet9400]

​@@netaji-thebritishslayer if you don't believe that your religion is perfect as it is, why would you follow it?

[@rashidbehbudlu7394]

What? That's not how it works my love, Quran is not a codebook, and any person reading it adds their own inherit bias to it. The point of Quran and what our prophet Muhammad wanted has always been innovation and change, everything in this world changes, planets, water, seasons, love. We are not bigger than mere humans, we need to acknowledge we are Allah's creatures in the same way so is everything else around us. And as we are mere interpreters unable to fully see the whole truth, it is on us to always talk, see what's best for us. And this is also a historic fact, Islam soanned northwestern Africa to Indonesia, over a millennia, there have been countless different ways people have practiced Islam and that is the most normal thjng in the world. Now we are here, we need to go forward, there is no past to look back to and want, only to learn. Learn and change and innovate, grow and heal

[@Syria_Free_Palestine_will_too]

@@rashidbehbudlu7394 Not true. 1- If innovation is what the Prophet ﷺ and the Quran wanted, can you tell me the reference? Don't you know it's completely the opposite. read this: (And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.) [5:47] and (The best discourse is God’s Book, the best guidance is that given by Muhammad, and the worst things are those which are novelties. Every innovation is error.) [Mishkat al-Masabih 141] Also by logic, if changes in religion is what should be, then Allah would informed us, either by saying when this time comes, don't apply this but instead apply this. 2- Not everything in universe changes. the laws that governs the universe is stable and yet efficient. these laws succeded in sustaining the universe even with its critical limits. hence, who made these laws is the same who made the Islamic laws and while he is perfect then his laws are also perfect and so it does not need a change. because the change is a form of imperfection. 3- A point I must say is that the term "innovation" only means Religious innovation. (i,e. making stuff new in religion) but worldly or scientific innovations (like technology...) is completely permissible but recommended if it benefits the humans. already, if you ask why the Islamic world is in stone age. I would say because we made religious innovations and abolished scientific innovations. we did the opposite what it should be.

[@muhammadedwards8425]

A modern muslim is a muslim on the path of the Prophet SAW who uses modern technology to enhance his Imaan

[@Crownpanda]

Very interesting video and well presented. I think the question of modernising islam is a wrong one. Both in its phrasing and connotations. What this video covers isn't people who want to change islam, but rather people who saw that their governors had strayed from Islam and wanted them to return to it.

[@YukonMonamee]

Yes.

[@YukonMonamee]

The people must return to Islam first and sunnah. The leaders are the reflection of the people. When the people have strayed, Allah gives them leaders who stray.

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

​@@YukonMonamee we have luxurious masjids but they are only full on Jummah and Eid. Forget doing salah in congregation, how many of us actually even do the bare minimum 5 (just the fardh, not sunnah and nafl)

[@frankjandl9613]

I am an American who was raised as a Southern Baptist Protestant Christian. If that seems needlessly complicated then know that the details of history make things complicated. This is the nature of communities. The beginning of this history lesson talked about how many Muslims felt that Islam had drifted away from the Islam of the old. And that it was The Old Islam that created economically and militarily powerful states. This is a common idea in Protestant Christianity. Americans will talk about the "old time religion" as if it was a more pure form faith than the Christian churches they see today. Further, you can find different sects of Protestant Christianity that will proclaim themselves as being "primitive" because they think they need to return to the older faith in order to gain some form of personal glory. None of this is true. If the old days were so wonderful then those times would not have changed. The economic and military powers that were Muslim started losing power because Venice started taking control of the trade routes. Then Portugal made a new trade route around Africa. Spain found other trade routes around the American Continents and they exploited the American Continents. Less money and fewer goods flowed from Europe to the Islamic cultures. It must be the nature of people or communities to think of certain historical eras as a better time. All the while those times of old were not so pleasant. Most of us would not want to live in the times of the Roman Empire but some people think Roman was a better civilization. This ignores that their are always some people that are corrupt. I really enjoy watching this channel.

[@jacovawernett3077]

Thank you. You explained it with eloquence. If God wanted us to cultural live by the edicts of 700 AD the world would look like 700 AD.

[@abdullahozek8016]

One of the most beautiful names of Allah is " Al - Khalik " meaning The Creator ! He is always creating and everybody follow Him . Praise and Glory be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds. The Glorious Qur'an

[@jacovawernett3077]

@abdullahozek8016 11.17.2015 Eve Beach Waikiki early evening. I couldn't find a book reading, so I sat under the stars alone. I asked God His name. He answered, "Fundamentally, E." I answered Energy of consciousness that suffuses everything. Every proton, neutron, electron, quark, spark of light and black hole. He answered, Don't forget the science. L'chaim. Sincerly Amira malaka elah.

[@jacovawernett3077]

@abdullahozek8016 Ahava Adonai Ahava Israel Elehenu Adonai Hashem Hashem Hashem Hashem. God has more than 99 names. God is so humbled His name Hashem means The Name.

[@jacovawernett3077]

@abdullahozek8016 the Quran you know very well as Jacob's well is a recipe for perpetual war. God has not spoken to you from above. It's okay. You can not describe His voice. I can.

[@ashmaltanweer2422]

No, Islam is perfect as it is.....no need to corrupt it by adopting modern Western concepts

[@RedFoxEurope]

Islam 💩

[@bigsarge2085]

Interesting and informative.

[@McVaySwifty]

Getting my popcorn 🍿 ready for the comments 😂

[@OLDMANWAFFLES]

UmM aCkChUAlLy yoU mEaN weSteRnIzeD *eats popcorn rapidly*

[@dustin_al]

@@OLDMANWAFFLESthe arrogance in your misguidance is amusing

[@lerneanlion]

The root of all of these problems lied in the economy of the Ottoman Empire. And it happened as soon as Habsburg Spain flooded the European markets with their silvers from the New World, thus causing the Price Revolution that affected all over Europe, the Ottoman Empire included. And of course, the decline of the usage of the Silk Road. With these two factors combined, the Ottoman Empire's economy began to fall apart, thus leading to corruption because of the lack of the revenues to distribute to the government officials, military officers and citizens of all ranks and creeds. And without enough money, it means supporting scientific ventures did not become the priority because survival of every family has taken its place instead. This led to the Sublime Porte taking loans from the friendly European powers. But as we all know, that didn't end well. And the mass migrations of the exiled Circassians from the Caucasus clearly did not help the case either because the Sublime State at the time was clearly struggle to survive. As for the solution to this Economic Crisis within the Ottoman Empire, it's going to sound strange but Scramble for Australia? Think about it, Australia experienced a lot of gold rushes and Britain solely enjoyed it as a nation. Yes, this means the relations between Britain and the Ottoman Empire might be soured later on if the Scramble for Australia happened. But think about it, a chance to make more money to at the very least resist the decline of the economy on their own and also dealing with the overpopulation crisis in the Sublime State in one shot? Sure, this might led to the immigrants from the Ottoman Empire to end up living the lives similar to that of the Trekboers in South Africa and the pioneers who were heading westward in North America at the time but an opportunity never knocked twice as we all know.

[@donny_doyle]

Wonderful channel here my man- keep on. As an American/ Christian, your work has taught me alot abt Islam. Thank you ...

[@Azrael1st]

We must and always stick with the rules and foundations that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him has left for us.

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

Aqueddah can never change. Jurisprudence has leeway

[@ruggedindividual2]

Another fantastic video

[@harelkalifa2451]

Just discovered this channel. I thought this channel will have more medieval videos. How about a video about the anarchy in Samara?

[@silveryuno]

It's interesting how the Young Ottomans Reforms rhyme a bit with what happend in Abdel Nasser's Egypt.

[@angelafensom2941]

In order to update and modernise any system of belief or religion the people who use the system or believe in a religion have to modernise and update themselves, change also has to start from within, and yes the core is kept and it is a matter of interpretation reflecting modern society and a move hopefully to become a kinder more tolerant humankind.

[@baronghede2365]

....we'll have to answer that question in ten years, Blessed Be.

[@bennruda11]

I think the question is can nations of islam faith can be secular or not? Any faith followed by government mixed keeps everything orthodox and frozen in time

[@LordDoof]

"Modernization" as most describe it is inevitably tied to Westernization. Almost all the NGOs promoting 'modernization' for 'developing regions' are Western, staffed and headed by Westerners, and funded by the United States and EU. In fact, by some standards of 'development', democratization is an element of it. I think it is key to understand that in order for Islamic societies to prosper again they must not kowtow to the importation of institutions, yes, this also includes democracy in some cases. There is no reason a socially conservative, Islamic society cannot reasonably exist save the potential of intervention or sabotage by western powers. I say this all as a westerner myself, because our 'progress' is quickly becoming our doom. I would advise Islamic societies to find new an unique political solutions to their problems instead of embracing the same ideas that are currently breaking down the very western countries that are importing them. Being independent from the idea of 'modernity' and instead looking towards scholarly pursuits and the development of technology divorced from modern philosophy would show the world there is a different way forward and would be quite inspiring.

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

Electing leaders is currently the most stable system as accountability reduces corruption

[@LordDoof]

@@user-op8fg3ny3j This is... ostensibly false. Consequences for people in power is in fact what reduces corruption. Sarkozy was tried and held accountable for his corruption. Whereas virtually every elected US official has been bought by some special interest. Not to mention all the democracies the US set up in the Middle East were notoriously corrupt and unstable compared to the regimes that preceded them. Consequences means being tried, convicted, and shamed for your dealings. Elections may have helped with this at one point, but the evidence is mounting that this idea is not always true.

[@talalberekdar]

I whole-heartedly agree

[@smokiebad]

Few people will realize the hidden truth about modernism that you have revealed. Bravo.

[@lotcam4046]

​@@user-op8fg3ny3j Democracy has only increased the corruption boy, in a way that doesn't violate laws.

[@Free-Ughyers_Free-Kashmir]

Narrated Thawban: The Prophet (ﷺ) said: The people will soon summon one another to attack you as people when eating invite others to share their dish. Someone asked: Will that be because of our small numbers at that time? He replied: No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be scum and rubbish like that carried down by a torrent, and Allah will take fear of you from the breasts of your enemy and last enervation into your hearts. Someone asked: What is wahn (enervation). Messenger of Allah (ﷺ): He replied: Love of the world and dislike of death. -Sunan Abi Dawud 4297 What do you guys see today? Isn't it exactly as the prophet Muhammad(pbuh) said?

[@turk2017]

Abdulhamit II was one of the most interesting personas of the entire Turkish history. Why? 1- He was an opera lover! :) He used to invite the famous European companies to Istanbul to perform in his small opera building inside the palacr. He is known for paying more to such companies to change the scenarios (especially the closing scenes). He was fond of stories with a happy ending. :) 2- He was a man of dire times and this led him make a lof mistakes. He definetely was NOT a conservative ruler, he rather was a western-minded sultan like his brothers, his father, and his uncle. It is sad that he is portrayed like a radical muslim leader in the soap operas. 3- He was ome of the intellectuals who considered changing the alphabet from arabic letters to western one. He was a man of constant reforms but afraid of his subjects ' reactions and the mental pressure of centuries old traditions and beliefs. 4- to be continued..!:)

[@calhowell6798]

Sultan Skinny is that guy 💪

[@HistoryOfRevolutions]

Italian writer Julius Evola writes: "In modern civilization everything tends to suffocate the heroic sense of life. Everything is more or less mechanized, spiritually impoverished, and reduced to a prudent and regulated association of beings who are needy and have lost their self-suffiency. The contact between man’s deep and free powers and the powers of things and of nature has been cut off; metropolitan life petrifies everything, syncopates every breath, and contaminates every spiritual well"

[@alexhubble]

OK, don't take this badly but... a quick look at Wikipedia shows Mr Evola was a fascist nut job. As does all that Nietzschean bollocks about the nobility of struggle. Don't quote people who are complete shit heads.

[@yukiomishimafan]

Based Evola

[@idrisshassani7048]

Hey man I'm not sure Evola is the type of person you want to quote in this context.

[@alexhubble]

@idrisshassani7048 so true. In fact I put up comment to that effect, which has been deleted. Presumably because I swore a bit. Personally, I think swearing is OK when talking about the philosophy of an avowed and unrepentant fascist. But what do I know?

[@BrorealeK]

lmao, quoting a fascist.

[@wasnt.here.3853]

There's a surprising dearth of well-researched videos on youtube regarding the Ba'ath party. I think you'd be a great researched to talk about it's history and how Islam fit (or did not fit) into their objectives. I don't think you can full address modern Arab intellectualism without Ba'athism.

[@BAFREMAUXSOORMALLY]

Can Islam Be Modernised? STOP ASKING STUPID QUESTIONS, YOU KZbin ADDICTS!

[@BAFREMAUXSOORMALLY]

I did not even watch any part of it as the title itself was garbage! And you do not use an anti Islamic Zionist platform to speak about Islam!

[@michaelangelo7313]

I adopt professor Wael Hallaq's opinion that neither Islam should be modernized nor modernity can be islamized.

[@af4537]

Islam is modernity. It’s our culture that keeps us stagnant

[@manooxi327]

Damn! as the title question answered? Cuz I don't feel like it did 😅

[@taimurmuhammad3848]

Pin my comment too . " The question before asking about compatibility of Islam to modernism is " why the hell would everyone change it's values to western modern values? Just why ? Who the hell decided that western modernism is the best thing? First you must make a vedio about it. How you decided to made the western modernism the best thing and now checking others compatibilities with it ? What procedure did you choose to pick the best thing? How you did that ? Why don't you check if west is compatible for our values and culture? "

[@bloodfiredrake7259]

Their values are better. The proof that is our people want to migrate to the west but no westerner wants to migrate over to us. Their women lead their nations, ours are burned for the most ludcrious of reason. The facts speak volume.

[@domca4617]

Economy, security, stability, development, science, education, human rights, equality, democracy... In all these things you are behind them and the harder the form of Islam (e.g. Sudan, Mauritania, Afghanistan,...) the worse it gets. So it sure has something to it.

[@taimurmuhammad3848]

@bloodfiredrake7259 Nope. Migration is not a proof that there values are better. Migration is because we have forgotten about our values and we have not yet studied our culture and the problems related to it. And reason for that is the education system and the political system imposed on us. We can study our culture and find our education system which is compatible with our values. And we won't need migration. Secondly about women so our women raise a good nation and care for the future of generation. ( If you study our culture deeply ). And they were doing well until the imposed education and idealogies confused our male and female. Women leading a nation is a sign of greater value? Who says this ? Why not men ? Dividing our responsibilities between male and female is the solution which also respects our culture. And you can visualise is if you come out of the bubble of western wisdom.

[@taimurmuhammad3848]

@@domca4617 yea I agree with you all those things are better for western society, but not for us. We have different systems and mindset. Yeah Sudan Afghanistan etc are bad but why ? Coz the western powers are not letting them on their own, to find a stable system of security and politics. If you think democracy is perfect then study more about east. It's not applicable on Eastern people. And it's not a perfect system even for west but you will see it in future decades. If the equality and values of western culture are perfect, why is a moral decline in western society? Why rate of divorce is on rise ? Why family system is ending? Why is it so that most of kids in west Don't recieve care from there parents? Why is that ? Why is your society fighting on gender pronouns, when there are hell more problems? Why are men chopping there pen*** ? Why is that ? What is the future of homo sapiens if the whole world becomes like you? Will we even breed in future? How are these things going to work?

[@taimurmuhammad3848]

@@domca4617 if we stop fighting and think about it factually, why is Afghanistan like this ? Who made Taliban ? Who made ISIS ? Who destabilised middle east ? Who destroyed there Houses which lead to instability and civil wars ? These are fee examples. Study every country and you will find out, what the westerns are doing. So Islam is not the problem. The west is.

[@bebrave1622]

I think this series could be balanced with Wael Hallaq's "The Impossible State" along with his other work. Also Talal Asad's "Formations of the Secular".....

[@AshokGupta-oq6hs]

Sir,the basic issue of islam since its inception in early 7 th century in Medina Arabia is that it is an Arab religion and propagated as a doctrine of covert Arabisation of globe as islam a universal creed. Ottomans,Turkish invaders of Anatolia never understood this basic fallacy and used swords to spread this doctrine. In fact the Arabic religion called islam is unique in that it starts out with a sword in hand and never leaves this weapon of killing people till date.

[@chrislusk3497]

"...non-Muslims enjoyed the autonomy and privileges provided to them by the millet system" I wasn't aware that Christian subjects of the Ottoman Empire enjoyed "privileges". I thought they had to pay more tax than Muslims, and that (legally) their word was worth only half that of a Muslim's word.

[@TZovro]

Depends on whose definition of 'modernisation' we should choose. As long as you establish a threshold of OBJECTIVE MORALITY we could talk. Because with subjective morality there won't be any stability in the religion left Hint- objective morality never changes, subjective morality does with each generation according to their own understanding.

[@DawudShaukat]

So no-ones going to talk about Azerbaijan despite Ilham Aliyev’s wife being the thumbnail?

[@CatnamedMittens]

Islam has an issue where it can't really agree on the past, much less the future. Though it's not an issue exclusive to Islam as a religion obviously.

[@Yasser-2]

We suppose Islam to change us not to change Islam.

[@Salim-wr2wk]

Islam is compatible with all times. Tahtawi created doubt and suspicion about the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad salalahu alahi wa salaam. Modernity is not based on Western ideas or morals and has nothing to do with weather societies are successful. Success is with the methods presented by Prophet Muhammad. Muslims need to learn the latest sciences, technologies without adopting the mentalities and corrupt lifestyles of Western societies. Tahtawi was completely wrong and troublemaker.

[@jojones4685]

Religions arent static things in of themselves; they are sets of ideas and practices held by people. When peoples understandings and worldviews shift religions shift and they are contantly in a state of flux. Islam will change in certain ways as it already has. We will all see how eventually

[@YusufAhmed-vd4ry]

You are delusional. Islam will never change. It will remain as it was since it's Inception, intact and unchangeable

[@yehoshuadalven]

As long as the Quran is read literally, I see no chance.

[@jovicatrpcevski209]

Just as knowledge brings life to a nation, ignorance seals its doom. Thus have Muslims fallen on evil days; instead of that thirst for knowledge which characterized their ancestors, ignorance is now rampant. ( Maulana Muhammad Ali, 'A Manual of Hadith,' pg. 39. )

[@zabeehtaizai2356]

why is everyone talking about the hatefull comments i havent even seen any i guess that shows a bigger problem in itself as to how people interpret religious people as not who they are but who they want to interpret them as ...inhuman

[@Azrael1st]

Glory to Islam! ☪️

[@VladVlad-ul1io]

🤣🤮😂

[@justiceriser8970]

In a short answer yes but people tend to be conservative

[@abdullahozek8016]

The Muslims today are in need of an Army .! Apart from National Armies of the Muslim countries, the Muslims need their own Army and their Believing Governor . Islam has no Army to this day . But the National Armies are not going to help islam and furthermore they stand in the way of islam . Choose your religion and reject Nationalism and Secularism and join the Army of Islam. To lead and support your own government of the future. InshaAllah.

[@rickyyacine4818]

It won't work look at arab government army way too backward Even they buy the best wepons they still fail As for jihadi they have great spirit for fighting but they still fighting with 600 mindset In order of islam to be powerful again they need many changes The army comanders .navi . Training ideas creative way of win And most importantly the idea of thinking they must have secular way when it come of army and development u must be as tiger cunning ruthless use every means to surpass ur enemy are ur fellow arab countries u must stay number 1 at prapanda technology at every kind U must always be number 1 at everything u must also go so far at least 60 years far from ur enemy when it comes to power wealth technology economy army ur culture must be so superior to others that they come to u for help and u influence them what ever u say when u number 1 people will take it as truth but with islam it impossible look the ban of printing press

[@abdullahozek8016]

@@rickyyacine4818 But still need to reject secularism. Allah is sufficient for me. And He is free of what you attribute to Him as partners.

[@rickyyacine4818]

The problem the ottoman from 1500s to 1800s got too back behind

[@omarm131]

Seeing the comment section of this video shows the little knowledge so many of us Muslims/Non-Muslims have about Islamic rule. Truth is we can only take so much out of the sirah (life of the Prophet peace be upon him) when it comes to running a state. We do not have a bullet pointed step by step instruction on statehood. While the state needs to be islamic in its identity and its core principles, we've never had 1 set of rules on how a government should operate in every single aspect of society which in my opinion is the beauty of Islam. A religion for all times which allows advancement through using the same core principles as a basis. I haven't looked into Tantawy, but his ideas don't sound crazy (minus the adoption of Liberalism). Additionally the attempt of Abdulhamid was also fine in theory, and one may disagree with how he managed opposition especially from minorities but what he was trying to accomplish doesn't sound in anyway against Islamic teachings and possibly laid the groundwork of what a "modern" (this word is a lot more complicated than what most people seem to make it out to be) Islamic society could have been. Great video.

[@brookechang4942]

You mentioned that Muslims were historically on the vanguard of science and philosophy. I assume you mean great scholars like ibn Rushd and ibn Sina, among others. Was there ever a strain in Muslim thought that took credit for advances that non-Muslims made when they were based on the work of Muslim scholars?

[@abbasali5921]

Title has nothing to do with content

[@7580-h7r]

As a Muslim I believe if we don't evolve then we'll never be able to keep up with the world, e.g early fatwas against the use of printing press, loud speakers and video/photography.

[@manazon6945]

that is not what evolving means. it means recognizing other forms of thoughts exist and letting people be.

[@abdullahassaffah]

I believe it is more important you gain correct knowledge first which you didn't Printing press wasn't allowed because printing press when first used it completely failed to print the quran and had major errors hence if hadith was printed or anything in Arabic would come out flawed and turn into a big problem so printing press was not used as it would have printed the quran wrong and caused the same problem we see with bible a complete mess in all translation

[@cobra8888]

Before I finish the video, I will post my comment and see what happens. Before Islam is “modernized” change must come from both Muslims and Non. Non Muslims must address what Islam really is and what really happened “First Fitna (Civil War)” and intricacy that happened. Islam in its general is meant to address what it believes “core human” behavior and what to do to keep it in check and steady until the end of time. What follows is that a soul must maintain a relationship with God, and that such maintenance will be challenged by greedy, non-God people whom you must counter….and fight if needed. Muslims need to understand that the Umayyad messed up Islamic teachings. From their time until the Ottomans basically messed up what it is to be Muslim. Yes there were some societal achievements (House of Wisdom) but aside from that there was no “better glory under the Khilafa”. Thinking that establishing a “Khilafa” solves poverty or makes Muslims live happily is just out of reality. Even during “Glorious Khilafa” there were corrupt leaders, poor people, arrogant rich people, civil war, injustice…etc. So…..just like any current Muslim country. And because of that, Non-Muslims have some legitimate fear. And not because “they fear Khilafa because it is the truth”. If both sides, know what is what then there will be a possibility of a “Modernized” Islam. Aside from that, keep doing such videos like a prisoner singing about freedom.

[@dcanedemboyz7431]

ahhh modernity, when women can walk around naked, truly needed

[@sarshhhjevgfv5863]

😂

[@andriyshepard3095]

naked, as without hijab? That's naked to you?

[@jop4833]

Depends what people mean by modernization. It is hard to say if modernization is a benefit to every muslim majority country. However you can look at a country like Turkey to see the opposite effect. Embracing more conservative islamic populism has hurt their economy and society.

[@skp8748]

Their economy is booming. Don't conflate inflation which is a currency issue with productivity which what the economy is.

[@jovicatrpcevski209]

According to history as I understand it, the Muslim world in general & the Ottoman domain in particular had been going down since the failed assault on Vienna by Sultan Süleyman the Magnificent; the 19th Century was merely the culmination of that long process of decline. It was in that century that the Ottomans introduced 'the Reform', hoping to stem the tide, but unfortunately for them, it was too little, too late. That's one of the downsides of 'separating yourself unto the Lord' in the name of your religion, your personal spiritual path/practice [ which might not be one everyone's going to go along with ], etc. : you cut yourself off from people who possess knowledge about other things that you don't learn in your monastery or madrasa - like science, medicine, technology, & a whole host of other things whose aim is to improve life in this world, making it a place in which one wants to live in it, instead of looking forward to death as a martyr to your faith because the world as it is simply sucks & martyrdom is the straightest path to the heavenlies. Granted, there will always be some who won't interact with you in any way because of what you believe & Who you represent, but that can't be every single person in this world. The instant you realize that you're still a human being, just like everybody else - even after you've gotten 'born-again' or have 'taken shahada' - the more at peace you'll be with yourself & the world around you; then your real soul work can begin.

[@theallseeingeye9388]

The meaning of the term modern or modernising culture or society needs to be defined first. Terms describing social constructs often completelu differ depending on where and who we ask. For an example, the conservative muslims of Malaysia who are referred to as Islamist locally might be viewed as extreme liberals when compared. to or by Afghani muslims. Both of them in the example above are part of the Ummah. Hence the meaning of modernise or defining what a modern ummah is needs to be addressed first before we can speculate on the possibility of changing.

[@bittertruth0000]

NO

[@JVJ_2000]

Isn’t Dubai the epicentre of Islamic modernity ? And Saudi & Bahrain is now following its footsteps.

[@Syria_Free_Palestine_will_too]

And somehow they are the epicentre of westernization.

[@nisantasicoocugu216]

Islam is a religion, you cannot expect it to modernize. Societies can modernize by going through necessary movements. However, modernizing societies become secular. Religion becomes merely a personal phenomenon. This is a situation that is most strongly opposed by these groups, as it will result in the erasure of the clergy and those who benefit from the old practices that have become the order. Turks have never placed the Islamic religion above their ethnic identity. Despite having a huge imperial heritage, the modernization movements since 1812 have brought the Turks to a very different and advanced point in the Islamic world, with the gains they have achieved as a result of many painful and difficult processes. Arab countries, on the other hand, come from a tradition in which imperial powers established an order that prioritized their own interests and handed over the administration to the Arab people. Particularly Britain and France personally came to power in almost all the governments in the Arab geography, which was divided by the borders they drew according to their own interests. The British and French determined the official borders and even the rulers of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Arab Emirates, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria and Kuwait. Turks, on the other hand, are the country with the most socially developed Muslim majority, thanks to Ataturk's modernization revolutions.

[@ApersonOfColor]

Can you give a source for that that they even had a turkish ethnic identity yet alone held it in higher regards than their religion?

[@nmvhr]

Possibly through an Imamate or a Caliphate. But a caliphate seems an impossibility by now.

[@randomlygeneratedname7171]

The imam will be instantly corrected if he even says a verse wrong to many people memorised the Quran. Not possible.

[@nmvhr]

@@randomlygeneratedname7171?

[@randomlygeneratedname7171]

@@nmvhr Where is the question. I am not a mind reader

[@nmvhr]

@@randomlygeneratedname7171 your statement has no relevance

[@randomlygeneratedname7171]

@@nmvhr Then I don’t care about your opinion

[@manazon6945]

all things including religion must evolve with time. hear me out: when we say reform, we dont mean to edit the quran. we mean we teach people that fundamentalism and orthodoxy is doing no one any good. that there is more to life, death and god than a 600 page book. that people, opinions and lifestyle different than ours exist, and we may not agree with them, but we dont go after them with machettes because "allah wills so". that questioning religion, critiquing its "prophets" is normal, and that apostasy is nothing immoral, that homosexuals are but normal people...theres so much we need to catch up to. mutual respect and finding a common way, not leaving our belief but being open minded to others' is the only way we can survive as a civilization. fundamentalism breeds extremism, and weve lost so much to it already.

[@Syria_Free_Palestine_will_too]

First: you are mixing stuff, you said we should reform without editing, but you started editing, this is the problem of any "reformist" Homosexuals are totally banned in Islam, even worse than fornication, how come to make it allowed? Apostasy in other hand is a judgement that should come back when the Islamic society and government is established, where Islamic education is prioritized. Now, what some people should know that the term "Bid'ah" or "innovation" is only related to deen (religious) innovations, this can be even observed by the words of the Prophet ﷺ. but dunya (scientific) innovations and advancements are in no way to be considered as Bid'ahs unless it conflicts with the origins of religion. but the religion itself is changeless, in Islam, mutual respect is between people, not between ideologies. I can respect a Christian as a human, but I cannot respect Christianity, the same he can do if he willed.

[@craigmason9893]

No but It can be done away with

[@MrDaftFunk]

Modernizing Islam is like modernizing a sword, it just gets better at killing.

[@MA-lb8dq]

Yes it can be reformed if people mind their own business.

[@ihsaanic]

With all due respect, I need to mention upfront that this topic or question stems from a place of ignorance of the very concept of Islam before one gets into technicalities and current affairs. Christianity is a religion in that you become its follower when you mentally accept one figure as your saviour. Everything else there is secondary. Literally every other religion or religion itself is based on set of rules and rituals, hence the nature of religion as well. What you call Modern Muslims today already understand Islam in the same way so you can see Muslims have long been modernised, while acknowledging exceptions certainly do exist. Islam however is a Worldview, it describes the design and use of nature from body parts to business and marriage to serve a more holistic purpose of Stewardship. It’s built of both scalar and vector entities. You cannot say the same about any other religion because all rituals no matter the place are quite transactional in its nature and conception, and that’s by design. Evidence for this is numerous, to name a few, the nature of original Quranic Arabic not Modern or Classic Arabic, Hufaaz, Structure of Quran, etc. Islam has not been pure Spiritual or material, but both. While Christianity was left in the hands of clergy to disseminate knowledge and spirituality, the job of its preservation was left centralised to a set of Humans. With all this said, Muslims have certainly modernised because of secular education and the proliferation of the Liberal worldview. Islam at its core has remained as a script unfortunately, memorised and read by many like a ritual. Hence Islam got understood to be a set of rituals and rules, this how even many scholars today see Islam, though I can promise you you can see the inconsistencies in their own thoughts when you engage in discussions with them. Not all but quite few. This is another thing that coming of this time is part of Prophecy itself meaning decay of morals and Muslims was acknowledged long before by the Prophet of God. I don’t mean to disrespect any other religion if this reads to any of you in that way but I believe the essence of Islam needs to be clear and not just apologetically conveyed.

[@JohnnyLodge2]

No. Best you can get is dubai.

[@yukiomishimafan]

Islam itself cannot be modernized. Christianity also wasn’t modernized, but became less and less influential in the west, because of the renaissance, the enlightenment and the progress of science. As soon as peace can be established in the Middle East and the economies of middle eastern countries can flourish, Islam will lose influence over time, just like it did in many Muslim countries prior to the US starting wars.

[@yukiomishimafan]

Ok in recent years Christianity got "modernized", but that was in response to its loss of influence in a desperate attempt to appeal to younger people.

[@DavidVreeland-tr1dv]

@Getcakedieyoung23 Christianity was modernized though the Protestant reforms (Catholics had a similar reform decades later). One of the major things changed was the separation idea of church and state and emphasis on the parts of the Bible that were directly the word of God rather than commentary by later scholars. You can see the difference by looking at the Orthodox Church. There are patriarchs of both holy sites (Constantinople, Antioch) and political (Moscow, Belgrade). The Jews also had several major reforms.

[@elvé4û9]

​​@@yukiomishimafanyou hve not enough Knowledge abt Christianity ur religion can be modernnize bible allowed u to drink, , adultery, nudity even any major sin like murder or war since ur God himself crucified for ur sins.

[@hashirshaukat8928]

Islam is timeless,the truth is not subjective

[@bennruda11]

😂😂😂

[@andriyshepard3095]

I think more intellectual and technologically advanced nations like Iran or Turkey will abandon it entirely, and return to it's roots. There is no point in saving sinking ship.

[@jop4833]

It is going the opposite direction in Turkey and it is hurting their economy.

[@krist-yonnarain7786]

From my experience Turkish people seem disinterested in Islam at best suspicious of religious people at worst.

[@skp8748]

You're wrong. Turkey is free from the enforced tyrannical secular system and free to practise their religion now. Iran is not islamic country. Malaysia, Qatar and Indonesia are all more advanced than it.

[@andriyshepard3095]

is this comment a joke? ''Iran is not islamic country''. ISLAM is in their name - Islamic Republic of Iran. @@skp8748

[@jop4833]

@@skp8748Hahaha is part of that freedom eliminating interest payments from banks? (Remember interest payments for loans go against Islam) I am sure that genius move will help Turkey’s struggling economy. You are right the secular government suppressed political islam in the past. But now that Islam can enter politics it has taken over Turkish politics.

[@abdullahsarkar6579]

The fact that remains is Islam came as it came and it will go as it goes, whether people like it or not, the passage of time will not affect Islam and so Islam is not something to be integrated with even if the time or era was different. Islam is not to be mixed with other made-up concepts of societies from whatever time. Islam is timeless.

[@domca4617]

Ok, but don't complain about poverty and instability.

[@abdullahsarkar6579]

@@domca4617 i did not and inshallah i will not.

[@rayankawas2851]

I thought the word infidel is a slur or curse word used mainly in mainland europe. The word kafir or kufar is better translated as unbelievers or disbelievers.

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

There's a difference in wanting muslims to become studious and hardworking so the ummah can industrialize and wanting muslims to adopt secular-liberal ethics for westernization

[@YukonMonamee]

Short answer is anniyo (no). 😊

[@muhammedjaseemshajeef6781]

Short answer Yes

[@YukonMonamee]

@@muhammedjaseemshajeef6781 anniyo (no)

[@YukonMonamee]

@@muhammedjaseemshajeef6781 akhi the religion is perfect it does not and will never change.

[@YukonMonamee]

@muhammedjaseemshajeef6781 that's a fundamental belief in Islam. You cannot change it even if you wanted.

[@Zaid26127]

​@@muhammedjaseemshajeef6781 how are you repping a flag who's government oppresses muslims?

[@M.M.83-U]

Sort of, maybe, a little... no, not really. All religions are conservative and irrationals in nature; the three religions of the book are also deeply, unavoidably, oppressive and undemocratic.

[@skp8748]

Not true

[@M.M.83-U]

@@skp8748 It has been circa 3.000/2.000/1.400 years and counting of this. What make you think that will change in the future?

[@skp8748]

@@M.M.83-U how is undemocratic when the pillar of governance is consensus. If the west wanted democracy egalitarianism ect they would not have stood in the way of the muslim brotherhood only to prop wahabbis who's entire existence was to justify a western proxy dictatorship

[@LordDoof]

The current view of 'oppression' is quite warped in my view. An undemocratic society with high living standards is less desirable than a broken society that is a democracy in today's view. What we define as 'oppression' is really only good for fixing disparity between ethnic groups, and misses the nuance on just about everything else. Claiming that the areligion (namely, a religion without a god) of progressivism is somehow superior to all other forms of government relies on just as much on blind trust and faith than believing in Allah. For these reasons I don't really see this as an argument, but rather a statement in your own faith.

[@dustin_al]

When you die you will prostrate to God and you will beg to be sent back to this world to live your live correctly (ei submitting to God) and you will be rejected. You speak of the three religions as irrational yet you reject objective morality and fall into subjective morality which is inherently irrational.

[@leflavius_nl5370]

Should it be?

[@kenyimorris9151]

By modernizing you just mean westernization

[@Wasengenyie]

It is already modernised especially in Africa and Turkey. Only Somalia practice hard-line islam in Africa. I was surprised how liberal Islam is in the sahelian countries. It is therefore very strange that there are jihadists insurgents.

[@christonngoveni8438]

That's because of ISIS fighters with nowhere to go plus Pakistani islamists

[@hitchikerspie]

Turkey was definitionally a secular state created under Atatürk. It was an incredible piece of work, but I don’t think it’s going to be tenable in e.g. Saudi/Iran

[@Wasengenyie]

@@hitchikerspie i read that Iranians have ditched islam en masse.

[@hitchikerspie]

@@Wasengenyie would love to read the source if you have it. Unfortunately the control of the country is still very much theocratic from the Ayatollah’s.

[@andriyshepard3095]

@@Wasengenyie that's because it's forcefully imposed, it's foreign to them. Zoroastrianism is their religion, Zarathustra is their prophet.

[@abcd9283]

Islam in the hand of turko-mongol barbarians lost its glory in scince and technology.

[@zackseverns4326]

Definitely not

[@HamzaWarrior]

No not modernization

[@reeyees50]

Islam is very modern if you take ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY AND PREHISTORY into perspective. Dont confuse colonialist biases and attitudes coming from the dominant cultures today shapw your perception of what you are, when yesterday ,poetically speaking, you were the dominant culture. Islam is inherently a rational, adaptable and JUST philosophical civilizational trend!

[@CatnamedMittens]

It hasn't adapted to the 20th century, nevermind the 21st.

[@Based_Proletariat]

​@@CatnamedMittens Oh for real?

[@nazmul_khan_]

@@CatnamedMittens Then we will adapt 21st century itself.

[@maxtryme1508]

​@@nazmul_khan_how ? You guys could barely end slavery. Which is happening in Arab countries.

[@maxtryme1508]

Actually it depends, other religion are also rational.

[@Zaid26127]

ٱلْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِى وَرَضِيتُ لَكُمُ ٱلْإِسْلَـٰمَ دِينًۭا

[@rickyyacine4818]

U still in 600s ? No wonder u still in.dark ages

[@Zaid26127]

@@rickyyacine4818 what a logical argument, very beautifully constructed. Well done, I'm impressed

[@ftftyffghfvghfcht6701]

my opinion is such. every tribe that existed had a religion. and sub divisions within that religion. and curiously that God always looked like them. curiously also he reflected their values and traditions that would be familiar to them. his lineage existed where their tribe was and he reflected qualities that they themselves sought to be reflected in their prophetic figures. which is ultimately to say that they made up their God. even the Aztecs looked up to the sun and told themselves that must be the God. then the rituals and traditions dictated that they create pyramids and so forth. anyway this is ultimately to say that the religion only exists as a prism through which a civilisation can express itself. Michaelangelo would no doubt have been a decent painter without Christianity, but needed something to brood over and philosophise about. whichever topic he chose and however that topic developed in society and with him personally might have affected his ability in different ways. anyway, religion does not appear to dictate the civilisation, rather it is the other way around. much of africa is christian but obviously does not have the civilisation found in europe.

[@Notajerk12318]

Simple answer "no" Changes accuring in the religion is forbidden Gods commands are commands nobody said itll be easy to get jannah just cause u say shahada

[@kinanshmahell8065]

what most people dont get is that the islamic world was never unified not religiusly nor nationally they were always separate tribes that were unified by the sword of powerful sultans and rulers but even then those rulers never had standing national armies and relied on a core of slave soldiers to keep them in power

[@bennruda11]

Yeah cause Christianity never warred with eachother or forced by the sword? 😂😂😂

[@AmbientMike]

@@bennruda11 He didnt say that though, did he?

[@kinanshmahell8065]

@bennruda11 the Germans and the French today have real nations the Muslims except maybe the egyptians don't have nations and only have tribes

[@bennruda11]

@@kinanshmahell8065 sure if ya wanna believe that, cause tribalism doesn't exist in western states at all 🤨

[@bennruda11]

@@AmbientMike you lost the point then

[@michaell8002]

Absolutely not.

[@MAS2996]

Brother, this video contains factually false information regarding Sultan Abdul Hamid II. The Sultan reduced the debt instead of increasing it. Your video states that the debt continued to spiral despite efforts. In reality the Sultan reduced it by 90%. The Sultan also stepped down willingly in response to the young turk movement. His generals asked him if they should crush the rebellion with force, but the sultan famously stated that if they want him gone, he will go. Please fix these inaccuracies

[@yukiomishimafan]

The younger generation of Muslims is more atheist and Christian. Iran is a good example. As soon as the current older generations retire, the Muslim world will drastically change.