...Because Everyone Left

[@iamdarcside]

Bergeron quietly joins HWPO.

[@Trece_Ocho]

Dude, this comment cracked me!

[@erica9563]

😂

[@Intransijess]

😂😂😂

[@ShinSuperSaiyajin]

Bruuuuuuuh

[@77DuRock]

😂😂😂

[@kerikettle7820]

Syd Michalyshen is a physical specimen. She qualified for the 2021 Games with only 3 years CF experience and her local coach. She finished 21st. With her tools the sky is the limit. So for 2022 she moved to Boston to train under Bergeron, and performed worse. For 2023 she stayed with Bergeron and got even worse, failing to qualify for the Games ... and not coming close in her SemiFinal. Any serious CF athlete who looks at her trajectory under Bergeron will stay away ... which is 100% why he's shutting it down

[@Greg_Glassman]

Yea her performance was honestly shocking. The fact that he allowed Katrin to not do any peg boards after she failed them still blows my mind.

[@EdSongoku]

It was the like he was purposely sabotaging her at that point

[@ManOfEthnicity]

I've actually seen what you describe in affiliates, owners make their favorite members coaches, even pay for their level 1 and they forget to factor in "is this person actually competent and able to teach people things". It always ends up with non of the members improving and that coach typically leaves within a year because it's too much work.

[@the_bruce_wayne]

Lets not forget about his greatest achievment of winning the spirit of the Games award!!!

[@hillerfit]

They should give that to the person in last

[@rodm49]

NO ONE in the CrossFit games will EVER let this down!

[@mcgeek4781]

Oooof 😂😂😂😂

[@SuperSoldiers_WL]

😂😂😂😂 emotional damage

[@Sourcererdolphin]

In a year when an obscure teammate of his named Mathew Fraser also participated

[@Zansaldo1]

Im laughing at the fan favorite from 11am analogy, my ex business partner didn’t understand how being liked by people does not qualify you to coach.

[@Athena.Christina]

Sydney had her best placing at the Games in 2021 when she was still being coached by her local affiliate owner.

[@brs041402]

My box was using comptrain as the programming. We lost coaches and members because it was so bad. We switched to mayhem and world of a difference

[@spencergsmith]

To be fair, what members (and coaches) like is not necessarily the standard for what is good. Mayhem is simply a lot of volume, and people like volume even if it isn’t the best for them.

[@bigbuzz5453]

Same

[@jsizzle911]

I do mayhem and am no spring chicken. I don’t find the volume to be a lot.

[@spencergsmith]

@@jsizzle911 as a coach, I think it is, and have spoken to many others who agree. “Be impressed by intensity, not by volume.”

[@mistameanor1]

Bergeron reminds me of a politician. He speaks in vague platitudes. Creeps me out.

[@samsmith8643]

Controversial take but hasn't HWPO used the same Bergeron recruitment strategy? They took Mal from Townsend after she crushed her first Games, they took on Hopper after he beat Medeiros and Panchik at semis. They recruited Harry Palley and he brought Barnhart with him. Katrin is a decade in. Last year the only newcomer that qualified to the Games that HWPO programming produced was Nic Joyal...

[@justinclark1562]

I've been saying the same thing for years bro, Bergeron in trying to run a cult over there, he's so focused on his athletes head game he forgot that crossfit is a physical sport.

[@JOARACING]

Always pushing those buttons, man, I can only agree with you. Back in time, when I started my CrossFit journey in Mexico I was so naive that believed in Bergeron, I even bought his book and in 2018 games I saw him and asked him to put his autograph on my book/his book, he acted so arrogant and then I started seeing her only female athlete fading not progressing and not keeping her title, the book is just a description of the games when Katrin won, thanks for this.

[@glennnelson38]

Andrew, rich froning was athlete now coach and programming, Matt Fraser as well, I would give Cole sager a chance before I knock him down as a coach

[@kieraabrienne8770]

I've been hearing things lately where people will get worse because they're not exactly "healthy" due to working out too much compared to how much nutrition they're getting and other related things. I wonder if that's the kind of thing that was going on.

[@_Oscar326]

Saw the story in Morning Chalk Up and thought Hiller will post a Vlog in 3,2,1… …and there it is. 😂

[@arsenalrome33]

my first thought seeing this post today was "yep can't wait to see what Hiller says" 😂

[@Therealkevin87]

Cole Sager is a total fan favorite, dudes one of the oldest but still relevant veterans in the sport. That being said will he make a good coach? Only time will tell..... As always another great video with solid points of view followed by a dumpster fire of an outro.

[@benwhitnell]

How many CrossFit games attendees would say they are there to see Cole Sager?

[@Therealkevin87]

@@benwhitnell Probably not many, but I'm sure a ton root him on! Most go to a wedding for the bride not the bridesmaids. Cole has never won a games but is still a household name in crossfit as well as a GOOD DUDE. Hopefully he makes a great coach and Hiller is wrong about whats his name not being made king dingaling instead of Cole. I guess we have to wait and see.

[@EdSongoku]

I followed Comptrain programming for years but it started to get stale, lacked to include so many movements, very repetitive. Then the app came along, free programming basically disappeared although Ben had said it would always be there, they started limiting everything, had a million different tracks, new coaches "taking over" with new programming. It just got very very messy. And then the athlete interviews, they were all spilling out the same speal, it's like they were brainwashed, can't explain it better. I just didn't identify with it anymore and decided a change was in order. Best decision ever.

[@yashhgami]

Btw, Belichick was a big part of Brady's success too, the elite defenses helped a ton. Especially the first ring or two

[@liz9147]

And Brady happy to earn way under the going rate for an elite QB.

[@undulatingstrengthandfitne9559]

Those weren't Belichick's guys they were Parcell's. In other words, the defense was already there for the most part when he arrived.

[@samsmith8643]

@@undulatingstrengthandfitne9559 Belichick was the DC under Parcells at the Patriots in 96, both of them then went to the Jets from 97-99. Tedy Bruschi, Mike Vrabel, Lawyer Milloy, Rodney Harrison, Richard Seymour, Bobby Hamilton, Vince Wilfork, Roman Phifer, Anthony Pleasant and Otis Smith all joined the Patriots in either 96 or after 2000 when Belichick was there. Of the main guys on defence it was only Willie McGinest (94) and Ty Law (95) who joined the Patriots pre-Belichick and could be considered "Parcell's guys".

[@dc100dc100]

When Fraser didn’t stick around that’s a good sign that there was no value there.

[@jvteam9513]

I remember when Fraser was still "under" Bergeron, he opted out of their games training summer camp up at a lake because, in Ben's words, "he gets distracted here and finds more value staying focused at home". That was the beginning of the end.

[@travisjb_]

Andrew are you watching your videos before you upload? You aren't connecting many ideas together. Just kind of going off in random directions lol

[@scottpeterson6525]

I think Matheny is a great example of how this will go.

[@brandonthoma7347]

Haha, yea Cards fans or overall Baseball fans, know the end of the story with Matheny! 😂

[@briand5047]

Reminds me of early UFC days people saying greatest ______ in UFC history. UFC history was a few years at that time. Early coach is a cool gig.

[@cpthornman]

He's the Rhonda Rousey of Crossfit.

[@briand5047]

@@cpthornman Exactly! Remember when she the greatest female in UFC history when the women's division was started for her.

[@chrisgilesinaustralia]

Fast!!! I just saw this today on IG, was waiting for a video from you!

[@hillerfit]

Gotta be faster!

[@carys.5688]

@hillerfit your logic isn't congruent on this one. If the coach is not the reason an athlete becomes great ala Brady & Belichick then the coach is also not the reason an athlete tanks ala Davidsdottir.

[@marshalliize]

This.

[@Dadplod]

JUSTIN BERGH ....He calls them events in the Interview with John Singleton...YES!

[@jonnycupcakes83]

This just seems like a classic chicken or the egg analogy: Does the untapped potential of an athlete negate the ability for a coach to use them as an example for the Coach's resume or can a coach trumpet his professional success due to the success of the athletes? Athlete and coach relationships come and go all the time But it does seem that as Comptrain grew the group of athletes, the natural attrition was bound to happen. He and his program are not for everyone. He probably didn't do himself any favors by being one of the 1st ones on the coaching scene and never shyed away from promoting himself and his program. Will Cole be a great head coach? time will tell. At the end of the day, Ben just rubs people the wrong way and he comes off as pious but I believe his heart is in the right place. Crossfit needs him and others like him in the space to keep pushing the sport forward or it will wither and die. Don't like his program? That's fine there are plenty others that will probably fit what you're looking for and thats great. Just another day in the Crossfit news cycle

[@bryanm9880]

I left even Left Comptrain online training just before his elite left him. I could even tell the online programming was getting really bad

[@RJvanVeen]

I have a veeeery limited experience with comptrain programming. The wods I joined into were…ehmmm…questionable. Off season is a time to build strength. So why is the volume so high (50 strict pull ups, 100 HR push ups, 5k run)? Why is there a 30 min wod followed by a 16 min wod? It’s just weird.

[@peterlemonge]

Katrin didn’t get better when she left, she missed out on the games last year. Consistent top 5s and then missing, that’s a huge drop off.

[@javierbanda7228]

I never knew Ben B popped back in the day

[@craighoward_diablo]

Spot on. Couldn’t agree more.

[@BCsoccer05]

Typically agree with your pov but I think you've missed the mark a bit here, bud. Just sounds like you're bitter about something tbh but that's just like my opinion...man. He had two CF champs in his camp and didn't Brooke and Cole make the games every year under him? That's gotta be worth something. Also, I don't think you can really say Katrin got worse? She won twice and was consistently top 10 while with Ben and then didn't qualify after she left. Nowadays I feel like Ben is like a really great college coach. He can take promising athletes get them pro ready but they'd need to move on to take that next step. There's nothing wrong w/ that. I think that just might be the evolution of the sport . Also what's your problem with Cole? Dude is def a fan favorite and obviously knows a thing or two to make the games 10 times in a row.

[@PrimalPetersen]

Cole Sager is undoubtedly a fan favourite.

[@Bossman_aus]

Do any of these camps really make the athletes? All of the well known camps get athletes that are good in the first place, Rich always said there is no secret source just hard work and consistency. There are some exceptions, but it seems that the athlete is how they are, be that a strength or endurance or like Justin not outstanding at anything just consistent. Couple of examples- Tolla is strong like bull but all of his work on his endurance had pretty much no real noticeable effect in his placement but he was still strong. Mal and Jason had great rookie years and made big improvements the next year but I argue that was more from better performances at the games than overall fitness improvements my reason being if Matt’s coaching was so amazing why didn’t Jake Marconi qualify when he was Mal’s traing partner all year. I’m probably wrong but they all seem overrated 🤷‍♂️

[@Dan_8712]

Katrin got better when she moved to Ben. She failed to make the games in 2014, started with Ben and won the games the following year. I believe he was great, however the sport and specifically the training passed him up and he failed to adapt 🤷

[@JakeChapman85]

I’d forgotten how amazing the scene in ‘Planet of the apes’ was when the chimp says “NO!!!”

[@guswright]

The outro kills me everytime 😂😂

[@robgronkowski947]

sameee lol

[@rowwinemastersrowing434]

I think he (Craig) changed his endings now and doesn’t say it anymore! Quite funny 😆

[@jordanmuck]

New to following you... Curiosity question. What program do you follow?

[@grantmazur416]

Steve Kerr and Phil Jackson both won multiple NBA championships as players

[@hillerfit]

It totally happens! I said that!

[@grantmazur416]

@@hillerfit you did! while I was watching I knew I could think of a good example as well

[@Ryanl1333]

Katrin has all the brooks money now

[@danielarnson8708]

Honestly; that first sound bite has always been my opinion lol

[@swat486]

Cole VS Mat; cheerleaders VS Competitors

[@ckkevin9620]

Cole Sager seems like a nice enough guy but he seems like he lacks "something" to be a coach and the leader of Comptrain. I hope I'm wrong. Just my two cents.

[@yashhgami]

Savage title 😂

[@hillerfit]

Just facts

[@yashhgami]

@@hillerfit yep, he needs a Tide sponsorship, he's washed

[@KMO24]

I love keiko she’s the best 💕💕

[@dav369]

Fan favourite? I’ve literally never heard anyone say they’re a big or even just a fan of Cole Sager.

[@katefoster9743]

Me, I am a fan! 🎉

[@jsizzle911]

Yes… I gave the 420(th) thumbs up🚬 Also you are spot on with crap train… er… I mean comp train

[@dangerman5123]

Bro, we need more Blue Mt. State Thad cutaways

[@marlows47]

Not typically a fan of these types. Ben can do whatever Ben does. Cosches often get to much credit in other sports too, as per your Brady example. Doesnt mean Billichek isn't a good coach but circumstances matter in team sports. Lots of players have become great coaches. But circumstances matter. Mark Jackson was fired as the Warriors were developing and becoming great. Kerr now gets the credit (both former players mind you). CrossFit is special in the regard that every player can train whever they are and be elite. There are no teams. Lots of diversity. But an athlete qualifying or not shouldnt be on Bergeron. Circumstances matter from both sides. Gui didnt qualify but now Luke Parker did. Gui worse because of Mayhem?

[@dangerman5123]

Gui didnt make it because he has so many holes in his game. He cant run, cardio is suspect, and if it does not involve a barbell he isnt going to win an event

[@marlows47]

@@dangerman5123 precisely my point. We can't say "the athletes suck because of the coaching" or whatever the case.

[@wolfgtweb]

You kept saying "this person left and went to HWPO and they are now better". Over and over again while saying that making Cole Sager the coach is probably a bad thing. Without once pointing out the fact that the person that makes HWPO so great was a great games athlete. Why? I don't know, maybe because that would have crushed the whole story line of the video? Maybe they are making Cole Sager the coach trying to replicate what has been done at HWPO and Mayhem. Maybe Comptrain is tired of being outperformed by former games athletes (as coaches) and they feel that Cole can do that for them. Can he? I have no idea. I do agree that a person that is good a one job is not necessarily the person to run a company that does that job. But there are now at least two big gyms that have done it. Maybe Cole can do that for Comptrain. I don't think so, but I do think it was wrong of you to just skip over that angle entirely. Makes the video just feel half assed.

[@robgronkowski947]

Cole Sager is the man!

[@ramblr5900]

The Student becomes the Master… The Karate Kid 20 years later…Cobra Kai . Wax ON 👋 wax off👋⬅️↩️

[@NorthsideChamps16]

Remember when butgeron got busted for PEDs? Pepperidge Farms remembers. It was DMAA or DMHA. Can’t remember which one. It was found in some pre workout powders back then.

[@schizzgraffix]

When piggy backing off natural talent goes wrong

[@radavis47]

Do what you've done, get what you've got. His leg up with mindset is where he stayed while everyone else applied it and then got back to getting fitter. If CompTrain is going for the next generation of 'likeable' athletes, Cole seems like a good fit. Ben never really says what the goal is...

[@Rob_Southards]

I was waiting for this video 😅

[@alyssa9452]

Its weird to me that Cole Sager is becoming a coach but not retiring.... Like how will that even work? 🤔

[@JarjarlovesCrossFit]

I’m gonna guess he says he’s retiring at the games this year

[@NZ12012]

@@JarjarlovesCrossFit In the post it says he’s not retiring and will be training & competing along with his athletes. So who knows. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@ramblr5900]

7th missed podium, coached by Burger-RON

[@derekbowers7360]

I think for the typical population Ben Bergerons programming is fantastic. At the highest level though II think its obvious people don't improve. My biggest issue with him is always tries to sound like smartest man in the room. Uses big words no one uses and serves no purpose. Coaching should be simplistic. The people you are trying to reach shouldn't have to google terminology on top of the plan for the athlete. Thats why I prefer listening to Jason Khalipas podcast every time over Ben Bergerons. *don't get me started on the lets toss dirt on my competitor. 😂

[@Xxxtra_Sloppy]

I don’t like to root for others to fail

[@katefoster9743]

💯 to this - it’s like people are wishing for this to happen. One of the reasons I unsubscribed.

[@hummingbird4444]

Cole is my favorite ❤

[@hummingbird4444]

Never understood though why he chose Ben as coach, a Ben we know was a cheater back when he was competing (failed drug test)

[@ngaston09]

That title is hella factual 😂😂

[@DMS1010]

Speculatory 😂😂😂.

[@yttup]

Nothing burger-on

[@BrianKim-ih4qh]

*at least make it to the games once before you trash talk cole sager bro*

[@DarkseidMikie]

Not a good analogy. Phil Jackson was a player turned GOAT coach. Steve Kerr was a player turned era goat coach. Jon Favreau is an actor turned Iron Man movie director. Michael Jordan is the greatest player ever but hasn’t had any success as a coach/ manager role. This was a pretty weak argument my guy. Most players turned coaches who wind up being great are bit players, not the greats. I think the expression is those who can’t do, teach

[@olimpiopaixao7236]

Andrew Hiller is FAN FAVORITE

[@alrom125]

All the headlines are that he retired. That’s not at all what’s happening. He’s just relinquishing day to day control of coaching athletes. Why the fuss?

[@lillithsternin7428]

Hiller...as usual hating on everyone and everything. Have you watched Cole coach?

[@vascoprazeres7499]

great video I'm of the same opinion, now I'm going to watch nate's video, he's alive 🤣🤣

[@thehybridaruba]

11:19 ohh yeah! hahaha

[@bradylynch8843]

Wow my comment made the video!! Let’s go!!🤣🤣

[@jethrocardona9063]

First, can I have some bats?

[@hillerfit]

🦇 🦇 🦇 DUH

[@jethrocardona9063]

Ty.

[@tonydecuba]

Hey! Where is the *Hit that subscribe button and turn on the notifications so you don't miss any of the upcoming videos* line in this video 😎

[@stephentaylor3787]

Why you doing the vlog without a top on💁

[@pareanoapicard8079]

I love pancake 🤤

[@bryanrodriguez9226]

Does Nj have a good CrossFit team

[@CorbinBowman02]

That thumbnail😂

[@TG3Podcast]

One day i will retire and you will be the new dread pirate Roberts

[@parker5225]

That’s unfair to Cole to say why would someone want to be trained by him. Look at all the best coaches in the space: Cotler, Torres, Letendre, Lambray, ect… none of them were athletes like Cole, yet are top coaches in the space.

[@jsizzle911]

Being a great coach and a great athlete are not the rule. Some great athletes do become great coaches. But being a great athlete doesn’t mean one is a great coach. That is another skill set. Sure being a great athlete give unique insight for coaching, but not all great athletes have the other attributes needed. Being a great athlete requires a high level of self centeredness while being a coach requires the opposite

[@parker5225]

@@jsizzle911 this is my point. Hiller is basically saying IMO why would anyone want to be coached by Cole, he isn’t a podium athlete. I’m saying look at the great coaches, they weren’t the best athletes.

[@Bossman_aus]

Letandre got fourth at the games one year

[@parker5225]

@@Bossman_aus Cole had a 5th and a 7th, what is your point? Seems like your comment further proves it’s unfair to judge Cole already.

[@Bossman_aus]

@@parker5225 dude I never said anything about cole or his coaching abilities I was only pointing out that Michelle was a games athlete that finished 4th.

[@_Jo-El]

Yes. Yes. And yes.

[@natewoodford]

i promise you he's not a fan favorite

[@ngaston09]

You should have heard what they were saying when the racist stuff came out what they said about the diversity

[@Bossman_aus]

Like what?

[@olimpiopaixao7236]

Bergeron if full of bs

[@mister_cjw]

zzzzz ok Andrew

[@BuiltonGODSrock]

Hiller u gotta go back to not posting 😂 I stopped watching because u reach so hard in your videos just to get views. This video was a major reach in foul. Flagrant 2. Rejection!!!