HIP-107: Preventing Gaming Within the MOBILE Network

Will HIP-107 actually prevent gaming within the MOBILE Network? I have no idea, but maybe it's worth giving services providers the right to shut off devices.
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[@LovethisNation]

HIP = Helium Intrusive Proposal

[@DoItJustinKace]

Nice!

[@writebhback]

Should be renamed Rewards Reduction Proposals

[@thunderroad7289]

Omg ive had enough of hips

[@DoItJustinKace]

I mean, the numbers are getting pretty high.

[@cubegears]

Im a mechanical engineer, and I deal with this kind of stuff often. You made a good point with the simulations. They are very flawed. They are clearly 2D. I can place an omni antenna 300ft off the ground in a level grounded suburban area. The simulation will show the signal being strongest around the antenna, and then being blocked by the 2 story homes in it's immediate vicinity. In reality, the signal would not be strong directly under it, and the homes would not block the signal at all. They may cast "shadows" but the signal would span dozens of blocks. I understand the compute power and storage required to generate something accurate would be unreasonable. And any other approach of measuring signal strength would be easily gamed. It is also in their interest to pay less. IMO they could somewhat easily add a linear function to whatever they use now to account for the height of these obstructions and shape of the signal.

[@DoItJustinKace]

I think the height issue is what made this fail. So I hear you.

[@cryptxonchain]

are you able to run 2 indoor helium hotspots and earn rewards? are they slashed? what can you tell me about that, Justin? It would help me out a ton! Thanks for all the great content.

[@DoItJustinKace]

I have two. I have one indoor and one outdoor. I would not suggest you have one indoor in the same location as another indoor. That will definitely be a problem.

[@TylerTate-rx6kn]

I have two indoor hotspots and running into issues any suggestions?

[@iSenz21]

hello justin , great video . i have a question , im already have a mobile hotspot on mexico around tijuana mexico. but my hotspot it online on my wallet but are not mining mobile, maybe its because its external from usa ?

[@DoItJustinKace]

They work in Mexico. So I’m not sure why. Have you contacted Support?

[@iSenz21]

@@DoItJustinKace, with the rencently update mexico dont have urbanization zone, only on the super spot with 100x, so thats why my miner it not working. Sad time.

[@chrislopez5595]

Any major changes in your CBRS rewards lately ? Haven’t seen you post a video in a bit

[@bluejr86]

Going down..

[@DoItJustinKace]

Besides that my rewards have dropped like crazy? No.

[@DaKineSketch]

Hi Justin. Have you heard about future HIP 113 Yet? I don't think you will be very happy if it passes. It intends to Cut Experimental CBRS Mobile Earnings up to 75% until they can properly figure out how to make CBRS beneficial to the network. May explain why the 430H's are currently on Sale. Nova gets what Nova Wants. Warning to ALL considering purchasing CBRS right now. If it passes you will only have 30 additional days to ROI at current estimates will still earn but earnings will be much lower than stated in the modeled coverage explorer.

[@backdoorslugs961]

I was looking into purchasing 2 430hs but with HIP 113 in the works, I'm extremely hesitant. I read the HIP113 GitHub notes and it looks like Helium is going in the direction of Wifi due to the limited utility they provide to the network compared to Wifi. Ugh....IDK what to do anymore 🫠

[@bluenetmarketing]

Why is Discovery mapping now showing hex count instead of reward points?

[@DoItJustinKace]

I’ve heard, but I don’t think something like that will ever go through

[@East_Owl]

Have you deployed in any businesses yet? If so, are you seeing any data transfer rewards?

[@DoItJustinKace]

I tried. But I didn’t see any transfer rewards so I gave up.

[@bluenetmarketing]

Why is Discovery mapping now showing hex count instead of reward points?

[@tyeishaperkins5199]

I know this suck I wish that left at the old one now feel like no one really know whar hexes are I don't even know we're two go two hit 40 hexes

[@bluenetmarketing]

@@tyeishaperkins5199 One solution is to uninstall and re-install the application. It fixed things on my phone.

[@tyeishaperkins5199]

@@bluenetmarketing thanks but what are hexes are they like when go inside store like giant food in well get 40 hexes from stay in there for about 10 min or 20min

[@bluenetmarketing]

@@tyeishaperkins5199 You just drive around doing your errands like you normally would. Instead of receiving rewards based on Mapping Events, you'll receive them based on the hexes you drive through. I received my first 40 out or 40 hex count today driving not very far to a pizza joint.

[@DoItJustinKace]

Yeah. I don’t like the new system. And I don’t like the fact that I was down for about two weeks because of that. I hate when I get logged out. I suppose I should make a video on this

[@ProfPressure]

They better not, I’m trying to test it with streaming cause I hate Cox Communications & they constantly drop connection but so quick to take money

[@yourgothuncle]

Thoughts on HIP 113? If it passes people who spent thousands of dollars on a CBRS setup will lose big time!

[@DoItJustinKace]

It ridiculous and will never happen at this point. We're already losing. Why do that when they want to keep CBRS still?

[@LovethisNation]

What if you live in an apartment building that is much higher than 100 feet? You would get shafted?

[@DaKineSketch]

Correct.

[@DoItJustinKace]

Not shafted. But you wouldn’t get as many rewards as you may have otherwise. The hip didn’t pass though.

[@3duardo17]

What would be considered gaming?

[@DoItJustinKace]

Faking your location.

[@hov172]

When hotspots are claimed to be installed over 100 ft, rewards increase significantly.

[@BabyYoda5555]

Wait really? Is this for outdoor miners? Why would a higher install height increase rewards?

[@DoItJustinKace]

I think they should have to prove if they are over 100 feet. But limiting them seems ridiculous.

[@hov172]

@@BabyYoda5555 Yes, they assumed like Radio CBRS the higher the better. Also you can test it with the planner it will show you more poc for over 100ft. Now with the new HIP they are caping it to 100ft. This is wrong also, I live in NYC buildings over 100ft is nothing.

[@hov172]

I thought you went MIA lol😅

[@DoItJustinKace]

I went on vacation to Los Angeles. Now I am recovering from that vacation.

[@Jon-ky6st]

Hard for me to vote either way. Wish they define it better.

[@DoItJustinKace]

Agreed

[@Vinsanity_TV]

Helium needs to re do the hip and be more specific. This was all too vague

[@DoItJustinKace]

It failed

[@johncastaneda7552]

My helium mobile hotspot is offline -- is this happening on your mobile hotspot the new one -- do I unplug and plug in again or reboot -- it was online I was getting rewards -- ps yeah I will vote no on gaming

[@bluenetmarketing]

My indoor hotspot went offline, too. I opened a ticket, but all they say is, "we are working on an answer." Something has changed with this company.

[@johncastaneda7552]

Mine started to get back online -- I had the hot spot coverd with a towel -- because the lights where to bright to sleep at nite -- i took off towel about a day later it’s started getting rewards -- have a good one --

[@bluenetmarketing]

@@johncastaneda7552 I don't have a towel on mine.

[@DoItJustinKace]

Mine is online, but I couldn’t connect to it for quite a while. I had to go into the dashboard and turn on some of the new settings that it has.

[@bluenetmarketing]

@@DoItJustinKace What new settings are those?

[@GAMEBLURMOMENTS]

Long story short. They are reducing rewards...weve been here before

[@DoItJustinKace]

It failed, so it doesn’t matter

[@pm5600]

No vote from me

[@DoItJustinKace]

It didn’t pass.

[@bluenetmarketing]

Justin - Did you receive my letter?

[@DoItJustinKace]

Letter?

[@bluenetmarketing]

@@DoItJustinKace In the mail.

[@harryhog1977]

Helium is turning into a shitshow

[@sylobeg2]

not true

[@DoItJustinKace]

It has been for quite some time

[@BabyYoda5555]

HIP 107 will just encourage SP’s to game the network. It will create a scenario where you are guilty until proven innocent when they ban you. And in order to punish them whatsoever it would require an additional HIP to pass with a super majority. We are all for discouraging gaming, but this one is bad news.

[@bluenetmarketing]

What is wrong with gaming on the network? I don't get it.

[@BabyYoda5555]

@@bluenetmarketinglol did you watch the video and are just trolling? Or is this a serious question?

[@bluenetmarketing]

@@BabyYoda5555 Of course I watched the video. Never once was it mentioned what the downsides are to the network with gaming. Do you know, or are you just trolling. Why not just say what you know about it instead of giving me a smart ass answer?

[@BabyYoda5555]

@@bluenetmarketing gaming means gaming the system by either spoofing your location (pretending your hotspot is in a boosted hex to get more rewards), setting up service on devices, getting the hotspot rewards, then cancelling service before your billed, etc. This HIP has absolutely nothing to do with playing mobile games that use the internet on the network. Didn’t mean to come off insulting though. Sorry if I did.

[@bluenetmarketing]

@@BabyYoda5555 I see. I thought he was talking about video gaming. I'm 71, and a lot of the modern lingo passes by me without me knowing what it means. I apologize if I was a little rough in return.

[@writebhback]

Helium is a police state

[@sylobeg2]

why? because people push the limits? Gee

[@DoItJustinKace]

Seems that way.

[@AA-lv4gv]

Big No from me

[@DoItJustinKace]

It didn’t pass!