HistoricNerd: The Sega PlayStation

[@stokesa3122]

1:55 "Nintendo, realizing they could inadvertently create an enormous rival overnight..." Inadvertently created an enormous rival overnight.

[@HistoricNerd]

Stokes A Beautifully put.

[@hitkid2456]

But we might have ended up with a monopoly lol

[@user-vi4xy1jw7e]

Wish I could go to the alternate universe where the deal happened

[@markmolino6091]

Christian B ,Me too

[@meghanmcintosh135]

I was in that reality. I remember the Sega PlayStation, I recall a Sega Gensis, Gensis II, then Sega partnered with Sony and made the PS1(1997 I think, I remember playing the brand new one in the hospital when I was sick that year). Something caused them to split and Sega came out with Dreamcast (1998) then Nintendo finally got on board with CD drives with the GameCube (98 or 99). Then Sony came out with PS2 and then Microsoft got into the game with Xbox. When Xbox came out that was like the death nail for Sega, they stole a bunch of Sega's most popular titles.

[@jacklazzaro9820]

Meghan McIntosh You misspelled Genesis, in case you missed it

[@hitkid2456]

@@jacklazzaro9820 Plus it's "death knell"

[@NoobixCube]

Any documentary about Sega's decline should be titled "The Repeated Shitting on of Tom Kalinske". Kalinske was the strongest proponent of the Sega/Sony deal, and Sega decided to shit on him, and created their biggest competitor. Kalinske was the biggest proponent of using Silicon Graphics' hardware for the next Sega console, Sega of Japan shit on him again, and Nintendo used it for the 64. If Tom Kalinske had been at the helm with absolute power, the gaming world would be very different today.

[@adamm3869]

I just discovered this video and by far, this is the most informative video i have ever seen about Sega and Sony's partnerships. Truly a great research and excellent video you done here.

[@AlphaOmegaSin]

Still amazes me today to think of how drastically different the gaming landscape would be if either Nintendo or Sega went with Sony on this. But considering I've enjoyed the hell out of what happened I guess it may have been for the best in a lot of ways

[@HistoricNerd]

The whole story just amazes me in terms of how close these deals got to actually happening. I can only imagine what the outcome of these deals would have been.

[@fattiger6957]

It really seems that Sega of Japan was the reason the company fell into decline. They just seemed bitter and jealous of Sega of America and Sega's success in western regions. Their stupid decisions just seemed like they were cutting off their own nose to spite their face. Imagine a world where Sega of Japan weren't paranoid idiots and worked with Sony. Sony would probably have bought Sega and made it the gaming division of Sony. Sure, they would have been under the thumb of Sony, but at least they wouldn't have ended up being a (relatively) minor publisher and mediocre game developer.

[@HistoricNerd]

It would have been a very interesting change. Sega would still be a prominent name in the home console market. I've wondered since Sega watched NEC fail they just assumed a large giant like sony would have no clue how to go about entering the industry. I always found these events for Sega to be great what ifs.

[@alexokrat8171]

sega of america wasnt all that great, as far as I know, they were the main force behind the 32X

[@CommodoreFan64]

I don't think the 32X was a bad idea, it was just again SEGA of Japan trying to push the Saturn, and not wanting to listen to SEGA of America or SEGA of Europe, who actually wanted to make the 32X it's own console being the Neptune that just happened to be backwards compatible to the Genesis/Mega Drive library, after the deal with SONY went bust, but again because SEGA of Japan and in this case SONY of Japan having their heads stuck up their collective asses, they could not get it together, and no I'm not taking up for them, but that's just the Japanese way when it comes to business it seems.

[@KuraIthys]

the 32x wasn't THAT bad. Especially if the Neptune standalone console had happened. The real problem is the 32x and Saturn showing up right on top of one another (and the idiotic way both were handled.) Honestly, if you look at Sega's principal wins in the console space, it's Europe that they should have focused all their attention on. That's the same mistake Commodore and Atari made when launching the last few products they had - they ignored their known market and obsessed over America instead. There were a stupid number of Atari Jaguar pre-orders in Europe, and basically none in the US... So what did Atari do? Focus ALL of their by that point incredibly limited resources on the US market, and left the pre-orders (eg. Guaranteed money) with nothing. Sega made similar bone-headed moves for various reasons... Then again, the Saturn was decently successful in Japan. Just... Not anywhere else.

[@chinogambino9375]

Not flaming but was Neptune really a good idea with the state of hardware development at the time? We have hind sight but the heads of Sega should have known where the viability of the technology really fell at the time, they had the most experience with 3D graphics, their arcade machines were years ahead of consumer electronics at the time. 32x should have been a total non starter, Japanese devs knew it could not pull off any leap that would justify its price and in no time chips demolishing any ad-on for the MegaDrive would be hitting the market.

[@TheEarthRealm]

Thank you! This was the BEST Sega/PlayStation video I've seen throughout the totality of KZbin. And it's so true. Sega's biggest mistake.

[@HistoricNerd]

Thanks! Spent a while researching this one.

[@WrestlingWithGaming]

Great job as usual. Such a neat story from a pivotal point in gaming history.

[@electronash]

Firs... oh.

[@WrestlingWithGaming]

ElectronAsh 😂

[@electronash]

This was probably Nintendo's biggest mistake back then. It could all have been very different, and I have to hand it to Sony for the Playstation.

[@sidearmsalpha]

Tom Kalinske brought success for SEGA with GENESIS. Yup, SOJ was incredibly stupid to let him go and let Bernie Stolar just destroy what Kalinske created. SEGA has no one to blame but its irrational decision-making. I hope Tom went on to greater things. Thank you, Tom for giving me the desire to pick up GENESIS during your time at the helm and making me a beloved old-school SEGA fan.

[@sidearmsalpha]

@Goodie Yeah, I'm aware of that. I think he did more good though.

[@alexbloddrunk1875]

Together would have crushed nintendo like an insect, but instead they let nintendo live, that was bad move sega of Japan.

[@hitkid2456]

Not just them, but Square & Enix both, would been a killing in Japan.

[@mariobros1594]

You mean sega of America? Sega of Japan aren't like that

[@mariobros1594]

Also sega saturn dominated the n64 in Japan so......?

[@JesusChrist-is-not-MrNice]

And no Switch hehehe I prefer retro gaming now, not interested by the PlayStation 5, but maybe I'll go with others next Nintendo consoles.

[@MrStrikecentral]

GOD DAMN YOU, SEGA OF JAPAN!!!!

[@Jenovi]

What an extremely interesting story. I think in hindsight this deal was best for gaming going forward. We ended up with four great consoles with a ton of games that might not have been realized if Sony's and Sega's efforts were combined. Great job on the video!

[@retrosoul8770]

This is true but we also lost numerous franchises exclusive to Sega as well as Sega's arcade gaming vision/philosophy in modern gaming.

[@MartellThaCool]

Sega and Nintendo are stupid for betraying Sony. Sony got the best selling consoles of all time

[@AutZentus]

And then psp, ps3, and ps vita happened along with ps4's stupid censorship rules

[@w0nd3r6]

@ciredec Gellar lol What's not great about the ps2......your clear a nintendo fanboy that cant see how great the ps2 was and the reason why it sold over 157m

[@juniorhunter7268]

Nintendo is ok sega is dumb as hell they could of had the n64 technology with a cd rom that would of killed the ps1 poor Tom he tried twice to save sega

[@magnus87]

The fights between SEGA JAPAN and SEGA USA always brought problems for the company.

[@TheGlasses61]

magnus87 it only caused problems when Sega of Japan got their way.

[@AutZentus]

@@TheGlasses61 Yeah because nakayama was a fucking idiot. He's the reason the company is in the state it's in now ever since he retired.

[@dirkb9788]

Sega committed harakiri.

[@Tiburon1724]

One correction...NEC did not fail to enter the industry, the PC Engine was incredibly successful.

[@GoldenGrenadier]

The more I hear about Sega of Japan's antics the madder I get. Its not a wonder that they're in the position they are today. Most recently their arrogance sunk the Sega forever program. They tried to get retroarch licensed to them but gave the developer ridiculous terms to work with so he rightfully refused. Instead they used in-house emulation and the whole thing has become a colossal dumpster fire.

[@HistoricNerd]

Yikes, I hadn't heard about that.

[@civdung1758]

When it comes to programming prowess, Japan lags far behind the West these days.

[@Matrix803]

Actually Sega Forever releases aren't doing that bad. Many of them have positive ratings on the Google Play Store. The only real issue I have with them is the controller support -- it's very mediocre at best. But many of the emulation issues that plagued its launch have been rectified at this point.

[@civdung1758]

Lodmot That's good to hear.

[@mafiousbj]

How frustrating that period should have been for Tom Kalinski, being held back and having his ideas and deals he had cultivated abandoned because of pride and jealously from the other division an ocean away Great video and thank u for this insight, now i know who to thank for my memories with the PS1

[@HistoricNerd]

MafiousBJ Glad to read you enjoyed the video. If you want more insight into that period of Sega. I suggest reading the book Console Wars it's a great read.

[@mafiousbj]

HistoricNerd i might since my holidays are coming, the hardware is sometimes ignored regarding success during a console generation (like how easy it's to develop for) and looking back it's funny to see the frankestein add-ons some companies came up with to keep their consoles relevant. You have very interesting videos in your channel (really liked the sega virtua chip one), keep it up!

[@Antonio_Ortiz]

When I first read about this in Console Wars, I felt a tinge of sadness about what could have been for Sega. And now hearing this again, I just want to hold my Sega Genesis, shed a tear and curse Sega of Japan forever. And yes, I am a fanboy.

[@HistoricNerd]

Worst part of that book was when it ended :(

[@AdamAdamHDL]

I was a Sega fanboy too. But the moment I saw ff7 I defected like a cold war Russian tired of borscht and snow. Still love my genesis and Sega cd. But have only bought sony's since. With the exception of the game cube I got for the twin snakes

[@weaverssystem]

Really neat footnote in history that managed to make it to the main page, and excellent coverage of it. Neat stuff!

[@HistoricNerd]

I thought it was a really neat event too, that not many videos had covered so i thought i'd give it a shot.

[@nodinitiative]

congrats. In just 9 months, you got 9500 new subscribers. I knew you would get a lot of peoples attention. Keep up the good work.

[@HistoricNerd]

+nodinitiative Thanks man. I'm glad you've stuck around as long as you have :)

[@ImportGamingFTW]

Excellent work as usual--it looks like you're getting very familiar with animating using After Effects. Very nice. I had no idea about this story, and I love the Saturn. Thankfully this deal fell through and the Saturn went on to become the international sensation we all know it became. If not, I don't think we'd be getting Panzer Dragoon Saga VII on our Dreamcast 3 later this year. I've been looking forward to that one since it was first announced on the Dreamcast 2 years ago.

[@HistoricNerd]

Its a shame the Playstation never took with the Saturn doing so well.....

[@SuperBearPoo]

since it was first announced years ago on the Dreamcast 2*

[@RobbWes]

Jimmy Hapa (Import Gaming FTW!) Wow in my dimension the original dreamcast failed and SEGA went third party.

[@SuntopKinseeker]

I think you missed the posts intent. :P

[@Gorilla_Jones]

Bah, shut up funny internet guy!

[@classiccustoms2010]

So, in an attempt to prevent the creation of a rival overnight, Nintendo partnered with Phillips instead, yet they still made a rival. Sure sounds like a lose-lose situation either way you sliced it.

[@HistoricNerd]

I almost think it would have been a better plan to let Sony Release the CD add on for the Snes at least in that way Nintendo could have controlled them more. Its hard to say what could have happened but mistakes were made by Nintendo and Sega.

[@me2olive]

+HistoricNerd But how would that have given them any "control" over Sony? Sony only wanted the partnership as a way into the industry, when they'd learned all they wanted things would have progressed just as they did, with Sony making their own consoles anyway. Remember, the original SNES-compatible PlayStation was demoed in the same year as the SNES CD, and the breakdown between the two concerned the lockout chip showing again that Nintendo certainly weren't in the driving seat and really weren't able to "control" Sony even before the console's release. By dropping Sony when they did, Nintendo effectively kept them out of the industry until late 1994 when otherwise they would have been a threat to them years earlier.

[@HistoricNerd]

me2olive Really just a theory, my idea was that elements in Sony weren't 100% committed to their own system. So basically Nintendo would under support the CD system and only make cartridges. So it would fall on Sony to push software and hardware in the hopes of making it a viable platform. Which with the Sega CD and the TurboGrafx CD as examples we know those system were expensive and didn't sell too many units. So Nintendo could have pulled/tricked sony into a fiscal sink hole of supporting a expensive system with limited software.

[@me2olive]

Yes, but given that they were also releasing a standalone system would it have mattered if nobody bought the SNES CD itself? That just puts Sony in the same position they were eventually in when the PlayStation was first released, with the added benefit of SNES backwards compatibility. I don't know if that would really have hurt them too badly, but it could have hurt the N64's sales considerably if Nintendo owners had already taken the Sega upgrade route by that time.

[@Teixas666]

one would think so, but you had to look at it the way Nintendo did back then, their issue was the contract the CD add-on carries, Sony wanted the Rights ot use Nintendo IP's as as well as the right to manufacture and majority on royalties, What would Nintendo get?, not an awful lot compared to all that it would require them to give up all control on further Snes Development if it took off. SEGA of Japan also had inklings of being aware of this and this is what prompted Sony to Approach SoA 1st trying ot goad them into taking this offer to SoJ.

[@P2000Camaro]

Awesome video. I had NO idea that Sony tried to partner with Sega after their brief stint with Nintendo. I fucking love it when you and WWG come out with new vids.

[@cn8299]

I'll never tire of this 90s era gaming shitstorm.

[@millabasset1710]

I was born a few years to late to witness the only video game console war, it died with the Dreamcast vs PS2.

[@StuffWePlay]

Fantastic story here! And your editing is top notch! This was incredible

[@HistoricNerd]

Stuff We Play Thanks :) Ive been experimenting with after effects and people seem to be enjoying it.

[@StuffWePlay]

It's really good! I can't wait to see more!

[@fosterglucose3214]

Sega PlayStation metal gear solid final fantasy 7 sonic adventure (probably) night into dreams resident evil = unstoppable.

[@HistoricNerd]

Crash bandicoot & Sonic Cross over title.....?

[@Sinn0100]

That might be the end of Nintendo as a console maker.

[@Sinn0100]

channelofstuff Final Fantasy 7 Resident Evil Metal Gear Are not made by Sony or Sega and would have definitely happened.

[@iesousdark]

still the ps1 was great compared to the n64. one word: square(soft)

[@jacklazzaro9820]

Don't forget Sonic X-Treme... possibly

[@hithummah]

nintindo crests it's worst enemy, but sega facilitates its own demise

[@TheVampirePredator]

“Sega screwed Sega.” - Vince McMahon

[@adultmoshifan87]

I would LOVE to live in the alternate dimension where the Sega PlayStation happened!

[@georgellosas7548]

Then we could have a 3D Sonic Game for the Sega PlayStation and it would have been a hit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@somethingoriginal1707]

So not only did Sega of Japan turn down Silicon Graphics (N64), but they also turned down Sony? Man, talk about shooting yourself in the foot. If only Sega’s executives could look past their pride.

[@RetroIslandGaming]

Hey, it's Wrestling with Gaming in this! Two cool guys :D Poor Sega. I drifted away from consoles after Genesis/SNES because of the 3D craze, but it's still sad how the company just made mistake after mistake.

[@HistoricNerd]

Yeah, The Sega had some really interesting opportunities that could have changed their fate. Its just really neat to look at these events with hindsight.

[@Reepicheep-1]

(From multiple videos/creators:) -SoJ is jealous of SoA's/SoEurope's successes. -SoJ hates anything those Americans propose. -SoJ sabotages Sony partnership, Silicon Graphics partnership, kneecaps Saturn via early launch, reverses SoA decisions. -SoJ still bitter about being founded by Americans (Service Games+Rosen Enterprises) and maybe(?) considered not a 'real' Japanese company. -Sega's been owned by various holding companies since 1969, and it's quite possible its Board simply didn't know what to do with Sega other than 'be profitable'. A situation highly adverse to allowing charismatic people like Kalinsky to make decisions.

[@Gorilla_Jones]

I was at this E3 and at both the Sega and the PlayStation conference. We were stoked for the Saturn despite the meeting we had had with them before the launch of the 32X where a SOA rep let slip about the Saturn and the Japanese rep with them went absolutely ape shit. But once we learned about the Saturn we were ready to buy thousands of units. Then when Race came to the mic and said that we literally almost shit our pants, we couldn’t believe it. I and my Colleagues almost all said immediately “Sega is fucked” even though the PSone still hadn’t proved anything. But if you were at that show and looked at what was on the floor you knew Sony had something special. I love the Saturn and thought the Saturn had an excellent E3 95, but the price, fuck me, the price was just brutal compared to Sony even though it was really that different because Sony pulled a GOP and conveniently forgot to mention that you still needed a memory card, another controller, etc. I’d just like to say that at E3 95 Atari had a fuck awesome booth and the VR unit they showed and I got to play behind the curtains was amazing. Fcuk the haters! 😎

[@mutalix]

What an amazing experience! Thanks for sharing your memory!

[@me2olive]

The underlying assumption seems to be that Sony would've been happy in their partner role beyond a first-generation collaboration, and that's how they'd be "tamed". Surely Sony's actions quite clearly show that they were determined to get into the hardware market in their own right one way or another and were just looking for insight. Even if the Saturn had been a collab, it seems clear that Sony wouldn't want to stay chained to Sega after they'd learned what they could, so at best this would only have delayed the inevitable. Nintendo/Sega of Japan were gambling that without help, Sony would try and fail, and when you look at the sheer number of failed consoles around that time from some pretty big names that must have seemed like a good bet. Just because things turned out they way they did it doesn't mean their decision was actually wrong.

[@lonewolfRPR]

That big Sonic Plushie

[@MarioStalin-x4q]

Sega could have tried working with Sony after Nintendo backed out of this Sony deal, but Tom Kalinske was banned from working with Sony because SOJ said it was a stupid idea and SOJ was working on a different project named Project Jupiter.

[@G.L.999]

If Sega had gone through with the same deal that was presented to Nintendo at the time, they wouldn't have be a hardware manufacturer at that time anymore and only would've gone a measly %20 or %15 of revenue from software developements. They would've been absorbed as a Playstation puppet like Nintendo would've been. Something Yamauchi found to be unexceptable.

[@losalfajoresok]

Love your content more and more, keep it going dude!

[@silgrimmarak8699]

Sony said santa monica a little studio back then but now its one of the sony's biggest and memorable studio ever

[@chinogambino9375]

Man thank you for making this vid, I had no idea Sony even spoke a word to SEGA after the Playstation debacle. To think SEGA may have prospered at least for another decade as a real company before being forced out of hardware is fascinating. Perhaps it was all for the best. Ironically the rot of gambling machines has cut the legs off Japanese capital investment in gaming as an artform, instead of pachi machines westerns publishing giants have simply digitized their casino operations behind family friendly licences.

[@HistoricNerd]

Chino Gambino Glad you enjoyed it. I was kinda blown away the deeper I got into this. Sega really had an opportunity to win here. Not sure if you watched my other video but Sega had another opportunity where they could have gotten the hardware for the N64 over Nintendo.

[@romeojavier7997]

Chino Gambino EA could easily make a Westernized Pachinkos on an App.

[@rgm4646]

Well it kind of worked out for all of us gamers, we now have three big companies making consoles instead of just Nintendo/Sony or Sega/Sony

[@ravager48]

Sega of Japan kept shooting themselves in the foot. Think of the possibilities if those two merged.

[@system32d]

Well damn all Sony wanted was a partnership to enter the gaming industry

[@ElricSowrd]

I first heard about PlayStation from commercials back in the days. It had this game called "Final Fantasy VII", it was made by Square Soft and it looked awesome. However there was also the Nintendo 64. So I was wondering if we had to pick one of the two, what would be? PlayStation or Nintendo 64? If we chose N64, we would play these Nintendo titles, but then we wouldn't be able to play Final Fantasy VII. I thought the Sega DreamCast was the awesome next thing to go for afterwards.

[@ElricSowrd]

channelofstuff Unfortunately the DreamCast ended quickly and XBox came into the picture, so not there was 3 companies in the Console wars. Don't get me wrong: I like Halo, I've been focused on Metal Gears and Square titles. In the end, I ended up with PlayStation 3 specifically for Metal Gear Solid 4 and PlayStation 4 specifically for several things: Metal Gear Solid Vs, Final Fantasy X HD and PSVITA connectivity.

[@yittmashups]

Yeah, I feel bad for SEGA. Both Nintendo and Sony tried to team with them, and in the end SEGA got left behind. :(

[@deadlocked5337]

F

[@civdung1758]

You know what? At this point, I think it would've been less destructive for Sega to have had completely different consoles for the Japan/Asia and global markets. Let SOJ sell their precious Saturn far away, _over there_ , and the rest of us may be free to enjoy the Sega PlayStation. Sega was already in the habit of manufacturing numerous hardware products simultaneously, so fuck it.

[@alexthomasshinjimikami6707]

That's a fact that's how it really happened in the history of Sega Nintendo and Sony that's exactly right I really enjoyed this video keep it up good work making it Happy Thanksgiving have a good Christmas and a Happy New Year in 2018 it's going to be fun😉

[@VirtuaBros]

That was amazing. You just keep out doing yourself with these videos HN. Also, I noticed that your Sub count is over 9000! WHAT?!? 9000? Congratulations, you deserve all this success and so much more. It makes me happy to see you guys grow :).

[@HistoricNerd]

Oh So Jiggly Thanks man. I figured this was a topic that not to many people had covered. Yeah I've been really lucky with all the people subbing.

[@hopalongcassidy4260]

And then sega crashed and playstation lives on

[@ModestGamer84]

I definitely enjoyed this video keep it up

[@HistoricNerd]

Glad you enjoyed it ^.^

[@SuperHamsterGaming]

I remember in 1992 Nintendo saying their CD add on would have a 32-bit co-processor. I'm assuming this was the Philips model because we've seen the Sony prototype and it was just a Snes with a CD-ROM. I'm glad they didn't stick with Sony because it would have been underpowered compared to the Sega CD which does increase processing power. considering the Snes competed just fine with cart based games it might not have been a problem, but I'd still like to see that Philips prototype.

[@HistoricNerd]

I hadn't actually read to far into the Nintendo Philips deal. I think that could a really good video topic to explore

[@chrispacheco8590]

Both Nintendo & SEGA should've realized what Sony was intending to do, and despite there reluctance Sony still accomplished this, what was it?....set a new high water mark in hardware sales.

[@_baller]

i miss 8 bit and 16 bit sounds.. very unique and 'happy'

[@radornkeldam]

SONY was really out to get what they wanted and devour anyone along the way. Usually people point at how short-sighted Nintendo and SEGA are/were, specifically about their dealings with SONY... And, certainly, there's some truth to that. But, if we look at thing at a more fundamental level, SONY was and is a giant, as the video points out, and you can never make a true equitative deal with someone that's so much more stronger than you. I'm pretty sure that if either Nintendo or SEGA would have stuck to SONY, SONY would still have mauled them, because it could, and perhaps it's even better for them that they didn't, as they could have ended being completely destroyed or absorved into SONY instead. SONY was a threat from the moment they wanted to be more than, as the video says, a hardware supplier, IMHO. They were never friendly nor aimed at long term mutual benefit. It's pretty obvious to me that their intention from the start was to take over the market. In that sense, Nintendo and SEGA were justified in their distrust for them. In fact, seeing how SEGA actually went along with SONY for much longer than Nintendo did, could that have been a factor in their soon-to-be demise? I mean, it seems SONY themselves played a role in the MegaCD, and we know how that turned out. I'm not discharging SEGA of their own fault, but, imagine Nintendo went along with their deal with SONY? that could have easily destroyed them. Another possibility would have been if Nintendo or SEGA would have accepted the deal and secretly schemed to sabotage or gain control over SONY over from the inside. It sounds farfetched though.

[@TheRetroNobody]

Great presentation and really interesting!

[@HistoricNerd]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@devoncalixte8194]

My personal opinion to this video Sega should have stuck with Sony and meet in the middle straight down the line 50/50 of the profit on a new console they create together and Sega wouldn't be bankrupt right now if they continued to work with Sony and they both could have revolutionized the console world and be unstoppable force to be reckoned with but Sony did the right thing on there own and made there own console the Ps1 Sony is very very smart and very dangerous which destroyed Sega when Sega created a new console first the Dreamcast witch is dead such a shame I miss Sega consoles so much one love to Sega man excellent video great history between free brands that I didn't even know they was working with each other back in the days very interesting to know

[@emiel333]

Great video, I’ve subscribed to your channel.

[@HistoricNerd]

Glad to hear you enjoyed it!

[@emiel333]

HistoricNerd Absolutely!

[@cmr2079]

Nice, but NEC deserves it's own video before they're written off as a failure.

[@tupactip]

I didnt know this and i knew of the Nintendo PlayStation when first announced

[@worldofretrogameplay6963]

Wait, what? Sony tried to build a console with Sega too?

[@HistoricNerd]

They did indeed.

[@velocityrapture7047]

It didn't have a name though right?

[@Sinn0100]

Sega of America = Visionaries Sega of Japan = Idiots, pride comes before the fall, 2d system priced to sell at $399...oh shit, Sony Playstation 3d at $299...BANDAID, BANDAID, BANDAID! Slap some 3d hardware on there, who cares if it's complicated, "We are Sega, and they will want to design games for us." - Sega circa 1995 -

[@dtester]

I wonder if anybody ever interviewed the SoJ execs to see how they would reflect this part of video game history...

[@HistoricNerd]

There was a article that came out about a year ago. That has a bit of their perspective. The main stated issue was cultural issues between SOJ and Sony. But I'm sure it's deeper than that.

[@dtester]

@@HistoricNerd Oh fascinating! ....yeah, it does sound a little like BS to be blunt :)

[@JoolsGuitar]

somewhere in the multiverse someone is playing sega/sony system 4. Jelly

[@anythinggaming7638]

Tried to tell you when you were on my channel but if this were to of happen it would of been Sega Play Station, PlayStation as two words not one but just a simple title edit so no biggie. Great video!

[@screwthenet]

IN a way, Sega thus truly did give rise to the PLaystation. I knew I was a fan of the PS for a reason ^~^

[@johneymute]

But sony did however produced chips for the saturn and even in later nes revisions you can see a sony chip inside them, so it was not 100% each for their own.

[@topgames451]

Background music ?

[@HistoricNerd]

Literally a tracked called "there you go"

[@AmyraCarter]

Hell, Sony had the money, had the knowledge, they could of entered the gaming industry back in the 1980's. We'd of likely seen optical disc games back in the 16-bit era if they had. But, I digress... Things worked out ultimately for the better. Well, that's what I think anyway...

[@Teixas666]

They definetly had the funds and manufacturing capacity + the R&D but at that point they knew nothing of the gaming market and game development, hence why they felt the need ot partner up with Nintendo or Sega but by the time both deals flopped Sony had what they wanted(some argue SONY never intended ot partner with either of them, they just wanted ot peek into both companies technical aspects to create their own process) and now had thr knowledge to enter the console market and a set of prototypes to work from(what would have become the disc drive for the SNES).

[@thegloomining1955]

The Nintendo Play-Station is a real and rare console.

[@ericmuir3356]

Is HistoricNerd also the dude who does the Memory Palace?

[@HistoricNerd]

I'm actually not familiar with Memory Palace.

[@ericmuir3356]

HistoricNerd your voice is very similar!

[@HistoricNerd]

Eric Muir If you have a link to his channel id love to hear how similar it is.

[@ericmuir3356]

HistoricNerd It’s a podcast with a historic bent albeit not towards gaming. Here ya go thememorypalace.us/

[@HistoricNerd]

Eric Muir Thanks I'll check that out.

[@araknair9605]

Sony tried to pull a fast one Nintendo, then humbled up and gave a solid deal to SEGA...what a bummer. Maybe could have had 2 whole systems of experimental PSX games and progressive arcade games, since they probably would have worked together on the Dream Station too

[@retrogamestudios6688]

First timer here are you a old nostalgic person or just a old nostalgic gamer

[@HistoricNerd]

Why not both?

[@carterackman3423]

this edible is taking forever :/

[@LoveatFirstHike]

Whoa, I have the exact same mini television except beige instead of red, I use it for my Coleco ADAM.

[@HistoricNerd]

+jeremysart Thats awesome, I've thought about picking up a Adam.

[@adariepennant3389]

What would happen if Microsoft Nintendo and Sony with sega put aside their differences and made a console together🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝?

[@Flash-Light-Hope]

I wish could make a new console I will wait all my life to see if thay will make a comeback

[@Lorfarius]

The point you make at around 7.30... it would have been impossible for Sega to be able to forsee the impact of a couple of individuals. Unless they had someone actually working for them from within Sony how would they even know the company had such people?

[@HistoricNerd]

Lorfarius what's really neat about that is Steve Race actually worked under Tom Kalinske as one of SOAs head marketing guys before he was recruited by Sony. Olaf had worked with Tom Kalinske since the beginning of the Sega Sony partnership. So there was a strong relationship there which I guess I could have explained better in the video.

[@Lorfarius]

Ah makes more sense!

[@damiank9443]

I guess Nakayama was very happy when PlayStation dominated Saturn. Same goes to Hiroshi Yamauchi.

[@skyking2325]

Hiroshi could care less. He knew that some shit like that would have happened.

[@Nobunaga1983]

Segas greatest rival was themselves

[@godzilla7391]

Great video!

[@HistoricNerd]

Godzilla 73 Thanks man :) glad you're going through the library

[@RaymondJonesrejlive]

So if Sega of Japan would have accepted both Silicon Graphics and Sony. We would have gotten the Sega PlayStation 64?! WTF?!

[@TeachClaudio]

So, all this come from Console Wars?

[@HistoricNerd]

shotokanclau Parts, others are from interviews.

[@BushidoBrownSama]

Sega of Japan really fucked up several times in creating/maintaining platforms

[@hitkid2456]

Well looking back, this does seem like the only way they could have survived.

[@BlackPopeye44]

Nintendo made them mad and filled them with motivation Sega taught them too much

[@isabellaereshki]

still amazes me how many times sega of japan over rules sega of america/tom kalinske on things that would have blown the market away most likely and made sega a ton of money and either kept them battling nintendo or more like pushed them over the top over nintendo at least in the american and western markets in many cases.

[@isabellaereshki]

it's a shame tom kalinske didn't just jump ship and start his own video game company, i've seen so many great ideas over the years from him, and sega made such great games under his leadership. instead he just left seemingly disillusioned and left the industry except sometimes giving an interview it seems.

[@bojackson3073]

You will be at 100k subscribers in no time. A lot of people like this stuff and you do it well. Just give it some time. if i had to nitpick anything id say the end was read a little slow. but thats stretching it. i wish i could give you better criticisms.

[@CommodoreFan64]

Great video. It truly would have been interesting to see what could have been if both SEGA of Japan, and SONY of Japan had not had their bullish heads stuck up their asses, and even though Nintendo could have handled the whole deal with SONY better, I think in the long run they made the right move seeing as they are the last "pure" gaming company left that makes it's own hardware, and software, and no I don't count Microsoft, or Sony seeing as they have other divisions of their companies that produce things not related to gaming like TV's, Blu-Ray players, Smart Phones, etc..(SONY), and Microsoft with Windows, Surface books, Surface Tablets, AR headsets, etc.. Edit: Japanese business practices truly are a strange thing, and could be multiple topics all on their own, and I think should be covered more on this channel to get a better understanding of why some of the decisions Japanese game companies make might sound totally stupid to us in the west, but at the same time might make perfect since in Japan, and/or other Asian markets.

[@HistoricNerd]

Ive actually been thinking about the Nintendo deal more and I think if Nintendo had let Sony Release the CD attachment Nintendo could of at the very least under supported it which could have forced Sony to either double down with the stand alone unit or to cease production. The whole thing is just a fascinating what if.

[@DarkwingMantis98]

Hey look! A video!

[@HistoricNerd]

Surprise!!

[@overwatch761]

It's shocking how much hate Sega Japan had for Sega America. Seriously, like Sega Japan going for 2D power in an era that 3D was clearly the way forward and disregarding Sony - what fools.

[@godzilla7391]

Always preferred Sega, but they dropped the ball on that one. Once Sony got going they became the unstoppable juggernaut that no one could slow down. I read somewhere that during the ps2/ Dreamcast era, Sony gave special royalty rates to devs/publishers, which Sega couldnt match, and led more to Sony's machine. Sega didnt have the financial muscle to compete. Microsoft on the other hand,.has the $ to compete with Sony, but arent pulling the trigger on exclusives, or first party titles.

[@HistoricNerd]

That could have been a part of it. Based on what I read, Sega made a lot of mistakes going into the Saturn. Noteable stuff being that the Dev Kits for the Saturn being absolutely terrible and it left 3rd party devs in a painful place. I think money played a big part of segas decline but i think a large part of it was just awful decisions on Sega's part too.

[@tommoons4257]

MS had exclusives and first party tiles on the original xbox and 360, they even bought exclusive rights to games that where on playstation first like Dead or Alive and Oddworld. but the original xbox came to late i guess the PS2 was allready dominating and had a huge library of games. At least the 360 put up a good fight

[@raul7933]

sony play station...uno de los misterios mas grandes de la historia del videojuego

[@BlackKanye]

And then when one of the best consoles of all time (The dreamcast) was starting to do okay it was killed by another one of the best consoles of all time (the ps2). Poetic isn't it.

[@biffy9536]

Nevermind a Sega Playstation, I really wish Sega stuck to their guns and came out with a 32 bit 2d dedicated system.

[@700gsteak]

what??? Cartridges are extremely robust in dirty hands, last a long time and generally have no loading times. Cartridges are awesome.

[@gloege1]

nintendo needed sega

[@chris6471]

It’s the other way around now.

[@MartellThaCool]

Sega and Sony made a system together?😮😲

[@HistoricNerd]

Martell Tha Cool well, almost :)

[@DBLCreations]

I can only say that i'm so happy Sony didn't give up! I mean, i love Sega, i love Atari and i love Nintendo. 1 of the 3 "survived". Even though the Atari coming back, but it's not from the same people or something like that? Anyway, i still love Nintendo, specially with titles like Zelda and Mario. But the Playstation does have my heart. I must say that i'm impressed with what Microsoft is doing with the X1X. But i'm still missing some great exclusives to play on that system. So for me, (at this moment), i'm holding off to see where this is going :-)

[@p0613v]

Sega and Microsoft was the last deal...we see it in the original Xbox and Dreamcast. Sega wanted to stay as a software game company.

[@Sinn0100]

I slightly disagree on the beginning of the end for Sega's console empire. In my opinion, and I had one, was the 32X. Sega stupidly went with the 32X instead of powering everything with the SVP chip. They essentially broke their market into pieces and began competing with themselves when the 32X hit stores. They had a great port of Virtua Fighter for the Genesis almost ready that supposedly was really good. The more they used the SVP chipset the better it would have got and it easily outperformed the FX/FX2 chip. Pride came before the fall...if only, if only...;)

[@legros731]

Not true SVP chip game where to costly 100$ vs FX chip game where 59$ And the 32x is way more powerful than the SVP chip

[@Sinn0100]

@@legros731 This is going to be a long one...sorry. Yes, the 32X is more powerful...Sega didn't need it. The 32X was the beginning of the end for Sega. They should have never released it to the market. Further, going with Virtua Racing at the onset was a huge mistake. Yes, Virtua Racing was popular but not nearly in demand as Virtua Fighter was. Sega should have put priority on making Virtua Fighter well before Virtua Racing. There's a number of reasons why I say this...Virtua Fighter would have been a far easier game for the 32X to run as it required less moving parts. The 32X would only have to create the two fighters and the floor at 30FPS (it might dip but not so bad that it's not playable). The rest could have been the Genesis (sky box and flat background). Virtua Fighter was so damn hot it would have easily sold well for $100.00. Now, this would have invariably drove the cost of the SVP down. As more chips are produced the cheaper the entire process gets. By the time Virtua Racing was ready to ship it could have very well sold for $70.00-$80.00. At that point Sega would be off to the races so to speak. By the time the third or fourth SVP powered chip game released the price would have gone down considerably. The SVP chip could have easily done full out Super Scaler games and it wouldn't be a stretch to see a version of Doom running on the SVP chip either.

[@questionmark3666]

I want this