History in Warhammer: The Romans

[@pancreasnowork9939]

I forgot the Chaos Dwarfs. The last 30 seconds of the video that isn’t me complaining about Bardin please just disregard it. I’m a disgrace!

[@protosszealot1473]

Hi man I'm new to warhammer and I was wondering which army to start off with since warhammer kinda reminds me of both starshiptroopers and starcraft also amazing video.

[@jamespaguip5913]

I heard Warhammer 40k is not grimdark anymore they turned it way to light and colorful you should watch commissar gamza video.

[@jamespaguip5913]

Protoss are more powerful than the eldar.

[@imperialhistati2348]

As a history buff I can say Gamesworkshop are a lot lazier than I had anticipated.

[@oniemployee3437]

I thought I heard a salty wutelgi when I heard the crying over the glorious Khazalid. Bardin is perfect, fucking @ me! ;D

[@BossEvasion]

I appreciate the twist of focusing on the Dwarfs’ influence from Rome, rather than the Imperium

[@alltat]

And then doing a double-twist by spending most of the video talking about the Imperium anyway.

[@pancreasnowork9939]

@@alltat I originally intended on more Dwarf but I realized that there was a lot more than just the surface level shit like “Legions.” I have earned myself a page in the Book.

[@Juliuscaesar0315]

@@pancreasnowork9939 hey just one thing, Alexander the great wasn't a roman, he was from the empire of Macedonia

[@nyalan8385]

@@Juliuscaesar0315 I'm sure he knows that but that guy was clearly Alexander the great. Not to mention most modern media just groups together greece and rome into the same thing just different helmets and one side was called spartans and the other legionnaires

[@soccerandtrack10]

@@nyalan8385 like the elder? Dark elder,craftworld. I just noticed,this is accident if seen for attack.

[@thechief11oo]

I would say The Emperor of Mankind is heavily inspired by Emperor Aurelian. Both reconquered territories of the previous regime that had been lost to invasions/instability, both would have really dumb policies that would lead to their “death” (Aurelian’s strictness and economic policy, the emperors mega atheism and refusal to acknowledge chaos), both had successors that would try to remedy the situation post Aurelian/Emperor that would lead to varying degrees of success, and both would be seen as a God to some extent. Just replace the Goths with the Hrud or DEldar, Guilliman with Diocletian/Constantine and do a fat line of space coke then boom Dominate Rome in space.

[@andrewcrump3499]

I think Guilliman might be better as a Justinian analog, since he and his not quite right hand Belisarius are seeking to reconquer and reunite with the fallen half of the imperium

[@ImperatorIke573]

I personally saw the Emperor as an Alexander the Great spreading """Greek""" influence, in this case Imperial Terran, across the stars with a repertoire of big personalities surrounding him, like the Primarchs. Which Alexander's generals could absolutely be considered as compared to Primarchs off personality types alone. When Alexander dies, the generals who have always hated each other broke out in civil war which led to their destruction over centuries.

[@ItachiUchiha-69]

Wizards of the colleges of magic in Warhammer are atheists because they understand the process of ascending to godhood. Chaos “gods” are just manifestations of the worst human emotions. Not real gods as we know them, if all life where to cease to exist the chaos gods wouldn’t continue to exist ether. That’s not how a real god would work.

[@lucastark1784]

The idea of Big E retiring to a cabbage farm is hilarious.

[@JOSTEINFR]

It's What Thanos did.

[@kevinaustin51]

The true origin story of the big e is that he was a humble cabbage farmer until the evil warp gods destroyed this cabbages and everything he’s done has been to avenge his lost crop.

[@d.n5287]

@@kevinaustin51 "my cabbages!" roared the emperor

[@jonathanathor117]

@@d.n5287 Proceeds to becomes the avatar

[@foolsgold6533]

I've always felt that the dwarfs we're inspired off of Vikings since they had slayers and other cool stuff, hell even there architecture and armor looks like Viking stuff

[@alessandrolattanzi1665]

I think they are based on the german saga of the nibelung

[@narwhaleface2347]

Boys.... dwarfs are Norse mythology. Sooo they are

[@mondaysinsanity8193]

@@narwhaleface2347 ehhhh except in name theres VERY little norse myth dwarves and lotr style fantasy dwarves have in common. Mainly do to their just not being alot describing dwarves in myth

[@aksmex2576]

@@alessandrolattanzi1665 i googled that and its a cat, confused.

[@azarshadakumuktir4551]

@@aksmex2576 write niebelungen. Niebelung is simply their king.

[@calebbarnhouse496]

I had no idea about the holy texts in the empire being in dwarf text, that's pretty cool

[@schizosamurai8840]

Belisarius Cawl is named after, well, Belisarius a Byzantine general whom with introduction of his fresh new troops called bucellarii expanded eastern Rome, reclaimed the city Rome and brought it to a golden age. Oh yeah, and bucellarii were pretty much improved hunic cavalry, so there's that as well. Gw is truly very root of originality.

[@aksmex2576]

Apparently the Hins were not horse archers like we think they would be similar to mongols and turks.

[@CataciousAmogusevic]

@@aksmex2576 who were primarily horse archers?

[@aksmex2576]

@@CataciousAmogusevic at the time of the huns horde back javelins and light cavalry was more common apparently, but later it was developed.

[@CataciousAmogusevic]

@@aksmex2576 well they could do all of those but horse archers were pretty widespread by the time of the hunnic invasions

[@Dogmelter42]

"I'm going to be talking about Rome's influence in Fantasy..." Me: Yay! Tilea Lore! "... On the Dwarfs!"

[@pancreasnowork9939]

I’m saving them for Italy in the Middle Ages, fear not.

[@mattfahey6501]

Man, this is crazy I’ve never even noticed the whole Rome thing. You learn something new everyday

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

I might actually find the Ultramarines interesting if they went more into their Roman inspiration. Gladii, scutum tower shields, red cloaks on every officer, crested helms, more formation based combat. Have them marching in phalanxes with power spears and bolters poking out from between breacher shields in the frontline. The only time I ever hear about them actually fighting like Romans was in Betrayer when the World Eaters fought them on Armatura, with their centurion, an ultramarine holding the obscure rank of Evocatus, a guy named Orpheo, shouting orders in Latin from behind the shield line.

[@herbertgearing1702]

The Romans also frequently elevated their Emperors to god status traditionally posthumously, however some of the more "eccentric" emperors insisted on an exemption to the die first rule. I guess sweetening you food and wine with lead has its disadvantages. Then again based on the number of emperors that failed to achieve a natural death, debilitating paranoia may have been a feature more than a bug.

[@imageispower20]

The dwarves totally did have a religious schism. The Chaos Dwarves exist. So, points for keeping the Roman tradition alive?

[@pancreasnowork9939]

I fucking forgot about the chaos dwarves. I guess I should work at Games Workshop.

[@SpoopyGhostBro]

@@pancreasnowork9939 The armor of the chaos dwarves draw inspiration from byzantine design as well, though some Babylonian and persian influence has been seen as well.

[@bentimmer295]

Ayyy another video about the Imperium! Glad to see someone finally focusing on Space Marines for a change!

[@wingzino]

I love this channel and direction it’s going in. Please keep up the good work and continue to make whatever content you want :)

[@0neangrypanda]

The music of rome total war is just perfect. It triggerd flashbacks of many wars.

[@radhanisthebold562]

Just saying Rome; if all your neighbours are 'troublesome neighbours' then maybe it's not them that's the problem.

[@mondaysinsanity8193]

CANT HAVE PROBLEMS IF YOU'RE THE PROBLEM

[@azarshadakumuktir4551]

Yeah. One of the perks of studying iranian history is that you have an outside perspective on the romans and seeing how they were forced to react to the romans constantly trying to shit on their boots by invading despite having been told numerous times that Iran was perfectly fine with the Euphrates as the border and wouldn't go further it really shows how having Rome as your neighbour was. The issue is when conquering foreign lands is seen as the pinnacle of political achievment in the neighbouring empire you are nearly certain that peacefull coexistence will not be possible. The romans would chill a bit after Trajan's defeat and Hadrian and more importantly Antoninus had an overtly anti expansionnist policy but things would go south again under Lucius Verus and Marcus Aurelius and stay that way untill Julian's disastrous campaign.

[@worldeater2414]

Im here to munch up your Aeldari, and lore vids. Both are pretty good, i am proud of you

[@jacko8030]

Been rewatching your videos these last few weeks since the algorithm brought me my new favorite warhammer channel. I love your mix of rules and lore and these history videos are top tier.

[@Ragatokk]

"Their concept of adaptability mirrors Romes, you can wrongfoot them once but they're going to figure out what went wrong and come back for round two stronger than ever. Unless you're the Germans, then they realize you aren't worth the effort and leave you with your shit forest to claim victory over." - Salty Roman

[@morganschmidt5996]

Just got the notification. PERFECT TIMING PLEASES SLAANESH

[@saymana11]

Your biggest strength as a content creator is approaching things that have been done to death from a new and interesting angle!

[@Le-cp9tr]

Honestly I always took the modern imperium for the Dark Ages AFTER Rome’s collapse and the preheresy era to be more analogous with more centralization and resources

[@Grz349]

Or at least it’s still in the process of falling.

[@mra4521]

5:56 love that that describes more than Gaius Julius Caesar the 4th’s death.

[@gorlab9549]

Mmm that Rome Total War music always hits me hard

[@Mattmur0]

I felt bullied for the first 30 seconds of this video

[@КонстантинИванов-д1д]

hahahahaha I love how the image at 4:26 is the "Adibas" version of the one at 2:06 :D :D :D :D

[@ericmoveon]

I think the Dwarven Army mechanics were more inspired by Imperial Romans than anything. High Elves were supposed to mirror Byzantine armies, the donut even looks like the black sea. Dark elves were Venice, the crossbow wielding and piratical mortal enemy of Byzantium. Wood elves were medieval English. Chaos Warriors were Vikings. Orcs and Goblins were Turks and Arabs. Ogres were Indian elephant armies. Skaven were supposed to be peasant rebellions. The Empire and Bretonnia mirrored their own historical equivalents. All of this of course was meant to mirror unit types and army tactics and had little to do with the fantasy fluff. The problem with the regiment system in warhammer fantasy is that it was more how a Napoleonic army functioned than a medieval or ancient one. You can see the strong Napoleonic influence from Rick Priestly and the Perry twins.

[@vladprus4019]

High Elves are basically the Atlantis combined with Tolkien elves. Dark Elves are more of elf fairies from legends of kind "We come after you, take you and do crazy stuff with you" (well, Dark Eldar from 40k have stronger elements than this). They could be also weird combination of Barbary pirates (raiding coastal villages in order to capture slaves) with American South (placed in the not-North America, economy based on slavery) Overall, Dark Elves seem to merge many things together (those Venetian-like units, as you noted). Wood Elves seem to also taking from those "dark fairies" stuff like Dark Elves, but combining it with forest vibes and wood Elves from Tolkien. Aesthetic -wise they get a lot from Celtic people from Gaul and Britain. Orcs and Goblins seem to be not have strong resemblance to any real life culture beyond British hooligans and stuff. They are mostly purely fantasy creations. Some have few aesthetics of some cultures like Hobgoblins resembling various cultures of the Eurasian Steppe, but those are not heavy. Ogres are more in line with Steppe people - beyond few aesthetic choices, the fact they can be found in many places in the Old World, just like steppe People were going in various parts of Eurasia with various level of friendliness of hostility, they also serve as mercenaries just like the Huns often did. Those are definitely not Arab, and Indian-like since.... we have Araby and Ind in Warhammer.

[@ericmoveon]

@@vladprus4019 I'm just saying the army mechanics and unit types are built on a historical equivalents .

[@panpan3303]

Would you get rid of your diabetes if given the chance?????

[@fumarc4501]

I thought you were gonna talk about Tilea.

[@pancreasnowork9939]

Tiles shall be Renaissance Italy.

[@brucetherobert2221]

Please more history stuff, I love it

[@joenewkirk6136]

Excellent video

[@cegesh1459]

The Dwarves and Chaos Dwaves did split, even though not by choice. You missed the cultural split right there.

[@Edgemerian]

Yes, that famous Roman, Alexander the Great! 2:38

[@panicpills1777]

Good videos! Earned a subscribe!!

[@jacobpeterson4071]

Love your videos keep it up!

[@s33v3rs]

More history x warhammer! Love this.

[@hardiystreams9878]

2:50 fun fact, there were revenge campaigns Front the Roman’s after their retreat. In the first their managed to kill the main leader of the German tribes. But true they didn’t try to advance their territory

[@patriciusvunkempen102]

German Roman King and emperor Otto the great also had legions of milites, they literaly continued to use those denotations into the middlages

[@porkers7792]

Tilea stans sobbing that the Roman comparison was made with dwarfs even though Tilea was once the seat of the "Remas Empire"

[@andrewnewell1142]

There’s actually a bunch of Rome stuff in Estalia, a city called Remas, an explorer named Julius Geezer, and all kinds of cringeworthy jokes

[@ger5956]

Remember to like and comment to appease the almighty algorithm 😁❤️👍🏼

[@putincabbageslapper3662]

I thought this video was going to be if Rome could survive in Warhammer but I like this too

[@kuehnjakob]

Not learning Khazalid goes into Bardin‘s little book of grudges in his chest in his living quarters.

[@protosszealot1473]

Don't worry I'm new to warhammer I'm just enjoying his video.

[@kenholmes]

RIP, Spots.

[@comrade7376]

I think another big parallel of Fantasy Dwarves to Rome are holding generational grudges. Rome would hold historical grudges against rivals - something that is somewhat rare amongst civilizations of the time (sometimes these would last generations). Big examples are retrievals of lost Eagles that have been gone for decades!(Germanicus and Parthia) and the salting of Carthage. Also, there is a latin saying along the saying of "Only a Roman can kill a Roman". Romans were very proud and if you fucked with them, revenge was a certainty. Sound familiar?

[@mattstakeontheancients7594]

This is awesome. An accurate historical influence that 40k borrowed. Knew the surface level things but enjoy the deep dive.

[@trenchc0de]

2:48 A Victory is a Victory!

[@echoistfromold6792]

Hey, Nova Terra Interegnum is an awesome name. Plus an interesting, if unexplored time period.

[@gutembergcraft]

the one mistake in the video is that gothic architecture isn't based on roman stuff, neo classical was, gothic being a departure of that, no flying arches in roman building.

[@tryhardname]

Well I guess after 1500 hours it's time I branch out to other total war games.

[@HelghastGrunt]

2:48 COPVS MAXIMVS (Laughs in backwoods proto-Germanic)

[@Warfrae]

Could u imagine the emperor just farming lol.

[@ksoddball]

Doubt it was intentional, but the great crusade kinda reads about Heraclius gathering a massive army to push back and take lost territory with the emperor leading a giant army, hell heraclius is called the first crusader

[@mra4521]

5:38 Don’t worry, I’m sure plenty of Roman Nobles thought they were wizards.

[@skelo9033]

YO TOTAL WAR MUSIC

[@CoolSmoovie]

One could argue that the HH did kill the imperium and now it is just slowly bleeding to death from that wound.

[@jonathanathor117]

with the great rift now they can split into 2 imperiums. That would be nice.

[@kingremus7544]

I like the idea that the emperor would have abdicated once the Imperium of man is done. What that would have looked like?

[@RatTimes12]

I hope the fantasy side has another endtimes so there's you have no choice but to talk about Ultramarines

[@fcomolineiro7596]

Is the emperor a Roman fanboy ? Genuine question

[@lucasriddle5538]

The emperor is actually Mussolini reincarnated

[@chromosomedcollector]

@@lucasriddle5538 i mean theyre both incompetent so it makes sense

[@lucasriddle5538]

@@chromosomedcollector absolutely

[@georgethompson1460]

The Imperium is the HRE, started off strong in the ottonian period... then turned into a shit-ton of tiny principalities that should have collapsed in 5 minutes but went on on just sheer intertia.

[@patriciusvunkempen102]

btw legion was used in medieval and early modern europe generaly to denote troops units of some size, its not very well defined, and was used loosely especialy during rennaissance when many theoreticians still published their works in latin, later the use continued sporadically i think but was phased out.

[@southernrebelgamer7505]

Good job on the video, I just have one correction to make. The Bible was written in Greek not Latin for the longest time, then it was translated into multiple languages.

[@yourgodemperorofeverything1354]

In warhammer fantasy there was also Remas Empire, created ling before sigmar existence... And currrtly it's that whole tilea rapshit, heh

[@karlfranz5709]

Late comment, but about 4:31. Iirc the Emperor said something very similart to hoping that one day he will not have to lead humanity, and Malcador disagrees with him.

[@Overlord99762]

THERE'S A RAKIZHARR OVER THERE, DRENGBERAZI

[@BlueSatoshi]

If I remember correctly, there's a dead language in Fantasy known as Classical, which is said to be analogous to Latin and Ancient Greek. Haven't heard anything about it being related to Khazalid...

[@melktoest]

I think the Imperium would be closer to the Byzantine Empire. The Aquila is the exact same.

[@koraegi]

2:41 is that a real character

[@icecold1805]

2:45 you speak of ultramarines adaptability... really? I thought it was the opposite, that the ultramarines are thick heads who will, under no circumstance, no matter what is going on, not adapt to it's enemy, and will gladly die and lead their entire chapter into exctinction before daring to try even the smallest variation on strategy than what the, very limited, codex astartes taught them

[@jonathanathor117]

Is that you Leandros. Stop being jealous of Captain Titus.

[@soccerandtrack10]

Some1 else understands the old dictator part for the 30,000 inperiam.

[@samuelrodriguez9801]

Well actually the holy texts of the Empire use the Classical Language which is based on Latin. But Khazalid did influence human languages. Although the human cities were built on abandoned elven settlements but Dwarfs did help humans build some cities.

[@miguelperez9906]

Naw Dante isn’t going to let the dark imperium fall he literally can’t let it happen because that would mean he would be allowed to rest.

[@CdrChaos]

Did you know? There’s an obvious troll on TikTok trying to convince people that the Roman Empire never existed.

[@jamespaguip5913]

I have an idea what if the tyranids and the Zerg emerge into one would you guys think Warhammer 40k would survive?

[@marksanders573]

Ummmmm… That’s an… interesting take, I’ll give you that. Have you done a video on the actual analogue to Rome in the Warhammer world? I’m making my way through your back catalogue and haven’t come across Tilea or the Reman (shockingly original, that) Empire yet.

[@JRBDWD]

0:12 i didnt know you were gay.

[@thekinginyellowmessiahofha6308]

Goddamit I swear I don’t wanna rip off Warhammer fantasy when I build my dnd setting! I thought “oh Roman dwarves who had a big empire, that sounds cool” and then bam! Same with the large German empire of my setting were they elect an emperor. This sucks.

[@Dutchwheelchair]

romans were big Creek simps. Higer ups speaking creek

[@yuvalgabay1023]

The funny thing i find is the imperium is very similar to rome .and whan i man rome i man the roman empire in its dying age.

[@tzardnickolasthelitromanov]

(This could just be a SFO thing and extremely uncannon) But What about the Fabled Tylos Empire, Pancreas? Weren't they, the literal Romans of *Fantasy* Warhammer?

[@DaleKood]

you should read Dune. I think you'd love it

[@titanscerw]

09:38 plz need the source of this artwork in high res!

[@Lardum]

7:30 "just with more rape demons" What do you mean **MORE** rape demons?

[@cegesh1459]

What about Remas!?! 😁 Warhammer Fantasy

[@TheDapsen]

this was all good until 2.38 where "Alexander III of Macedon is leading a roman legion"

[@pancreasnowork9939]

That’s because Guilliman looks like Alexander leading a Roman legion, I’m aware that Alexander didn’t lead Roman legions.

[@Cadian-8th-4676]

We all be forgetting the tilean empire who were basically fantasy's not romans perfectly

[@karolkwiecjasz9356]

No mayor religious schism in the dwarfs? Man, you haven't heard abaout the Chaos Dwarfs who chose to worship a chaos diety because it saved them after the old dwarf empire fell after the war of vengence against the elves ans the Norse Dwarfs who are isolated traditionalists. One could argue also that Southlands Dwarfs and the Grey Mountain Dwarfs are distinct from Worlds Edge Mountains Dwarfs but its at least their opinion scince those groups kindda hate eachother. There are also imperial and wandering dwarfs bht those aren't independant cultures per say as they like coming back to a near karak at least sometimes.

[@pancreasnowork9939]

Yeah I’ll be gone at I completely forgot about the chaos dwarfs. So I’m basically qualified to work for Games Workshop.

[@karolkwiecjasz9356]

@@pancreasnowork9939 Precisely. I've seen Arch making the comparision to Rome with the Empire of Man but the actually besieged nation is Kislev... which is Russia, the third rome. Another good argument would be the elves who had their schism, they invented most of arcane lore which all other mages outside of slann use and have this military control style that does remind me of Roman occupation. Thats how the wood elves treat brtonnia and how high elves see wider humanity. Overall, the Elven comparision fits better in my eyes. The Phoenix King's position is very reminiscient of the ceasar due to the Intrigue at Court effect (on tabletop you rolled which of your special characters got on top of choosing who commandsthe battle, now apply this to all of their politics), their population numbers looking grim and dark elves run the biggest slave network on the planet.

[@SMG_Games]

Don't think Cinncinatus was a dictator. He rose to power during a crisis (invasion) and 16 days after when he was victorious over the invaders relinquished power to be a farmer again or something like that.

[@Conejoazul2018]

0:00 nope, i saw the first comment.

[@Ghastly_Grinner]

It does always make me laugh that Big E was basically a fedora tipping edgy space Atheist but throughout the time he was turned into a literal god I think the major hick-up with 40k is bid E just being too stubborn to accept his divinity once he does things will start getting better for Mankind

[@hernandogaribaldi8627]

The dorfs are more related to the babylonians/ summerians; and the Grudge book things is clearly the Old Testament refrence with all the angsty shit, the vengeance agains all kins because some stupid or valid motivations and also weird rules.

[@jamespaguip5913]

@Pancreasenowork did you know that Warhammer 40k copied Dune and Starshiptroopers.

[@krankarvolund7771]

There's not dozens of High Lords of Terra, there's twelve of them, they're a Council of the most important people of the Imperium, ruling it while the Emperor is... well unavailable ^^ And I think the Imperium is a lot more closer to the Middle-Ages in Space than to the Roman Empire in Space, Crusaders and Knights everywhere, living in the aermath of the collapse of a golden age civilization (aka the Roman Empire), and still using their language while the peasants speak a bastardized version of it, etc... Of course there's still inspirations from the Romans, and from countless other sours historical or fictionnal too ^^

[@TheMaxCloud]

you meeeeaaaan. The Womans.. And if you dont get the joke, a centurion should slap you

[@beaukennedy4618]

Farming? Really a man of your talents?

[@nikpapado9785]

Maybe the Alexander the Great is not leading a Roman legion, but a Greek one? Romans had ancient Greeks in extremely high regard and basically copied ALOT.

[@lukacvitkovic8550]

Caesar wasn't even head general, Pompey was. And he fled Rome like a bitch when ya boy Julius crossed a creek.

[@andrewarmstrong2586]

Adeptus copyrightus Lmao😂😂😂

[@carlista29]

Idk I always associated the imperium with the Holy Roman Empire or France or some other medieval realm. You got medieval architecture, inquisitors, knighthood orders and chapters, crusades, fallen elder civilization, shitty Latin. However admitting this would just be admitting that imperium is empire of man in space