History of Dardanos: Who were the Trojan Dardanians?

[@pseudomonas03]

Aeneas according to the Eneid, when he arrived at the region of Latium, he encountered Evander an Arcadian hero who had created the first settlemement in the Pallantine Hill (called after Evander's Arcadian birth city of Palladion). Aeneas recalling their common Arcadian origins of his ancestors from Dardanus, asked Evander's help, who gladly offered him. For this reason many centuries later, Roman Emperors honoured Arcadia, and the city of Palladion. I believe a video about Evander would be cool!

[@intelliGENeration]

The Aeneid was a commissioned work… not reality.

[@jetonbalidemaj]

@@intelliGENeration wrong, julius caesar up to nero were all of a distinct blood line they knew their lineage although the romulus and remus story with the wolf is obviously bull

[@ShamanKish]

@@intelliGENeration Propaganda, like Henry V 😎

[@intelliGENeration]

@@jetonbalidemaj lol… ok. Have you studied Epics in an Italian school? Maybe time to revisit the lessons… 😊 the rich always commissioned work from artists to elevate their status, and claim godly lineage. Theyr we’re just scoundrels with a mask on.

[@StoicHistorian]

i really dig the thumbnail

[@WanaxTV]

Thank you sir!

[@MarcusAgrippa390]

It always amazes me how the Romans had no problem rewriting history to make them appear first or best in everything especially regarding the Greeks, while most of the patrician families seemed to love all things Greek. (Particularly during the late Republic era)

[@ecurewitz]

I think that’s common in almost every society

[@LuisAldamiz]

Yes, it amazes me too. It's common to integrate your own culture into the "upper culture", in this case the Greek one (later would be things related to religious Judeo-Christo-Muslim beliefs rather), but it is the shamelessness of lacking roots and rewriting other people's legends to insert themselves in them what makes Romans peculiar maybe. The most clear case is Hercules's travels to the West, which never went through Italy in the Greek version but actually via the shorter North African route. But maybe this is partly to blame to the Macedonians first of all, who spread the cult of Hercules (or should I say Herakles rather) all around and one can only imagine which legends made Buddha and Hercules best friends in Uzbekistan, maybe Son Goku?

[@augustuscaesar8287]

Wow, some pleb is larping as my best friend and talking meretrix on Mater Roma. 🙄

[@MattieK09]

Romans aren’t a monolith, they didn’t all think the same

[@wardafournello]

The cause of the problem is that we consider the Romans as a separate nation. This is wrong. Rome from the Greek word Ρώμη which means strength, and Romans Ρωμαίοι means the strong ones, at the beginning of the founding of Rome were Greeks, Etruscans, Latins, Sabines, etc. It is therefore natural for them to associate the foundation of Rome with the Greek myths, which the Etruscans had already accepted ,and many Greek and Latin historians state that the Sabines had a Lacedaemonian origin. Demaratus (Greek: Δημάρατος), frequently called Demaratus of Corinth, was the father of Lucius Tarquinius Priscus, the fifth King of Rome, the grandfather or great-grandfather of Lucius Tarquinius Superbus, the seventh and last Roman king, and an ancestor of Lucius Junius Brutus and Lucius Tarquinius Collatinus, the first consuls of the Roman Republic. Demaratus was a Dorian nobleman and a member of the Corinthian house of the Bacchiadae. Facing charges of sedition, in 655 BC he fled to Italy, with the retinue of his court , according to tradition settling in the Etruscan city of Tarquinii, where he married an Etruscan noblewoman. According to tradition, Demaratus introduced Greek culture to mainland Italy, and brought potters from Corinth; Greek potters worked at Tarquinii and its port, Gravisca. Pliny the Elder and Tacitus reported that Demaratus brought literacy to the Etruscans.

[@Rithymna]

Very interesting, congratulations Wanax TV!

[@singingsatellite6845]

Amazing graphics and art style. Love the thumbnail.

[@BarkanUgurlu]

Thank you for the wonderful video! Greetings from Çanakkale!

[@olbiomoiros]

Fun fact: Canakkale is where Dardanos was in antiquity

[@ΜιχάληςΞανθου]

Yes but you are turkish the hestory is from greece

[@spacebunny4335]

Fascinating I had heard of these peoples but did not know much except for the fact you can play them in A Total War Saga: Troy.

[@ecurewitz]

Interesting. Thank you

[@JetonHoxha99]

Gaius Julius Solinus (latin geographer) on the illyrian dardanians: "... hominess Troiana prosphia in mores barbaros efferati." "... men of the Trojans driven into barbarous manners." (Solinus II, 51 D 2).

[@wankawanka3053]

as trustworthy in terms of ethnology as herodotus ;) until you provide actual physical evidence the two people shall remain separate

[@JetonHoxha99]

@@wankawanka3053what is your thought on the identical name? Coincidence?

[@wankawanka3053]

@@JetonHoxha99 what about the albani(people of alba longa) and the albanians in the caucasus and the balkans,same names, what about the iberians in the caucasus and iberia? also same name. By the way in the myths dardanus isn't a unique name en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardanus_(Greek_myth)

[@victordelorientis8763]

The 2700 BC migration theory of Herodotus would be around the time of the biblical Nimrod.. It would explain why they are all connected.

[@fatherofhistory]

Never knew the Dardanians were distinct from the Trojans! The explanation about the city of Dardanos and its possible older origins was fascinating. Great video!

[@Dataism]

7:47 I knew that name sounded familiar.

[@WanaxTV]

Check out the recent episode on Illyrian Dardanians: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqjZp4aiar2VoMUsi=6ThO1R35bmoYICre

[@wankawanka3053]

according to the myths the trojan dardanians are a mix of arcadians and teucrians(who came from crete or attica)

[@MalviMP]

The term Troje in Albanian stands for homeland! Dardania or Kosovo was and still is albanian’s homeland. Maybe it is just a coincidence, but this is it! Make it make sense in greek or any other language the word Troja/Troy I bet you 😎

[@wankawanka3053]

LOL

[@napalm-gr]

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[@lol9123]

​@@napalm-gr opposite den kseri gelai San m.....s

[@deborahpavia838]

Io arbereshe= iliriana🦅🇦🇱🦅 troia in albanese vuol dire: patria.la storia nascosta al popolo più vechio d'europa 🦅🇦🇱🦅. I 1:02 n greco non si può decifrare. Solo e soltanto esclusivamente in albanese.e tant,altro, per esempio, persino , l'astronomia parla albanese: Afrodite in albanese vuol dire ; giorno è vicino. 🦅🇦🇱🦅👋🇮🇹.

[@Oblivium]

7:42 Ancient writers, such as Gaius Julius Solinus and Diodorus Siculus, repeatedly linked the Dardanians to the people of Troy. "The running forth of Italy through the Liburnians (which are a people that came out of Asia), extends to the foot of Dalmatia, and Dalmatia *unto the border of Illyria, in which coast Dardanians have their dewlling, a people that descended of the line of Troy*, but grown wild and savage, and degenerated into barbarous manners." - Gaius Julius Solinus "Of these children, Dardanus, who was a man who entertained great designs and was the first to make his way across to Asia in a make-shift boat, founded at the outset a city called Dardanus, organized the kingdom which lay about the city which was called Troy at a later time, and called the peoples Dardanians after himself. *They also say that he ruled over many nations thoughout Asia and that the Dardani who dwell beyond Thrace, were colonists sent forth by him*." - Diodorus Siculus

[@wankawanka3053]

That's not really all that trustworthy. They didn't only live way later but they also most likely forced a connection due to the name and nothing else. The Greeks earlier had also connected the Persians with the mythical son of Perseus , Perses. That doesn't make the Persians connected to the Greeks. Until actual physical evidence is found in anatolia the Dardanoi there remain their own thing.

[@patriotalbanian3205]

Fun fact troya mean homeland in Albanian language trojet tona -our homeland goggle if not believe I’m also very proud of my ancestors dardanians dardanians are also today Kosovo Albanians till last breath proudly dardanian ILLIRYA long live king agron

[@wankawanka3053]

fun fact your pseudoetymology is meaningless hahaha🤣 albanians are ancient master race that hasn't won a single olympic medal lol

[@decem_sagittae]

Albanians are Muslim Turko-Gypsy hybrids from 1912. Stop stealing Greek history and culture because you have none.

[@napalm-gr]

Hahahahahahaha 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@lol9123]

​@@napalm-gr se tsuzi gia afto gelas sta ipan lathos

[@marikasoupiadou9635]

Θα πρέπει επιτέλους να αποφασίσετε τι είσαστε. Γελοία πράγματα.

[@MrLiridonf]

It's interesting how Dardanos, Ilos and Iliros apear both but apperrently for two different groups of people. Iliros and Ilos seem and appear almost clearly the same to me. Maybe two different people told the story of the Dardanians just in different time frames, After the Dardanians from the Balkans set up Colonies in Western Anatolia together with the Phrygians. The Bryges migrated from the Balkans to Anatolia where they became known as Phrygians or Phryges.

[@AlecFortescue]

Big request lad but... Could you reconstruct a diet of a Mycenaean warlord for the few of us to emulate to grow big and strong like the Homeric heroes?

[@LuisAldamiz]

Whatever is available. Lots of olives, meat, fish, bread and wine. No beer, that's Egyptian.

[@IanHunter-xc1po]

@@LuisAldamiz The Celts and Germans were even bigger and stronger. For thousands of years they drank copious amounts of beer, as did the Pontic ancestors of the Greeks.

[@LuisAldamiz]

@@IanHunter-xc1po - We don't know that (unless you do have a source). For example, the Dutch (who count as "Germans" or better: Germanics), used to be quite short and only recently have become the tallest people of Europe. Nutrition does matter. Also I'm not sure that beer was that common in Europe back then, Atlantic peoples often drank cider (apple wine) rather, while Nordic ones were famed for the mead (fermented honey). Anyway, even if the Celts drank beer, it was a pun and nothing else.

[@IanHunter-xc1po]

@@LuisAldamiz I agree that nutrition does matter, but from all the skeletal remains dug up over the last 100 years or so, clearly Northern Europeans, and their steppe predecessors, were taller and more robust than Neolithic (and later Iron Age/Classical Mediterranean) peoples, as were WHG. I'd put the WHG being taller (relatively speaking) down to a largely meat diet and that of Bronze-Iron Age Northern Europeans down to a largely dairy diet. What's more, Caesar was 5' 6" and considered tall for a Roman. The Gauls were said to tower over the Romans, as were the Germans. Though as you were being a little light-hearted, so was I with my initial reply. It's all good. 😉

[@LuisAldamiz]

@@IanHunter-xc1po I can only imagine that they ate more meat or other protein, especially in childhood. It cannot be beer for sure. Modernly I collected data from nearly all European countries and there is a lot of nuance to the typical idea that Northern Europeans, are taller. Scandinavians, Germans, Dutch and Lithuanians are tall for both genders but also are Slovenes and Croats, while the shortest men on average include some southern populations like Bulgarians, Portuguese and Italians but also French. Swiss and Hungarians. For women it is even more reverse, as some other shortest ones are from the far North (Britain, all three nations and Finland), while in the south only Bulgaria is in the short segment. Some populations are clearly affected by changes in diet, a well known case are Galicians, who shifted in my youth from being the shortest of all Spain to the tallest ones in the young segment. I already mentioned the Dutch, I believe, another well known case but at European scale (longer timeline though). On the other hand it's also well known that increased protein did not make Japanese much taller, so genetics plays a role as well.

[@Trontotario]

There was Dardanus, mythical ancestor of the dardanians of europe and son of Illyrius who's uncle was the Dardanus of Troy sibling to Harmonia.

[@wankawanka3053]

lol there wasn't here are the people named dardanus in greek myth en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardanus_(Greek_myth)

[@Trontotario]

@@wankawanka3053 the only odd one out is Dardanus the king of the Scythians. The rest had a link to Trojans and what I said means that the mythical ancestor of the dardanians of Europe has a connection with the dardanus of Troy

[@wankawanka3053]

@@Trontotario clown you are talking out of your #ss , name me the source that links the dardanus who founded the city of Dardanos to the ancestor of the Illyrian dardanians ;) I have a feeling that you can't

[@LeoneLeoncio-ww3cv]

Viva Kosova viva Dardania

[@napalm-gr]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Trontotario]

The Dardanoi were linked by ancient Greek and Roman writers with the Illyrian people of the same name who lived in the Balkans (i.e. the Dardani), a notion supported by a number of parallel ethnic names found both in the Balkans and Anatolia that are considered too great to be a mere coincidence (e.g. Eneti and Enetoi, Bryges and Phryges, Moesians and Mysians).

[@wankawanka3053]

no they weren't lol you can't prove that all the people you mentioned were connected. Only the Phrygians left archaeological proof of their origins in the balkans the rest are fairy tales

[@fisnikberisha1535]

Why not look at the etymology of the word Dardan if you’re going to do a historical analysis? lol The name Dardan- (ethnonym: Δάρδανοι/Dardani; toponym: Δαρδανική/Dardania) is traditionally connected to the same root as dardhë, the Albanian word for 'pear',[16][31] as well as Alb. dardhán, dardán, 'farmer'.[31] The ethnonym Pirustae, which is attested since Roman times for a tribe close to the Dardani or living in Dardania, is considered to be the Latin translation of Dardani (cf. Latin pirus "pear"),[32] which would confirm the link with the Albanian dardhë.[33] In 1854, Johann Georg von Hahn was the first to propose that the names Dardanoi and Dardania were related to the Albanian word dardhë ("pear, pear-tree")

[@ΣοφίαΤζανήΤζανοπούλου]

Pelasgians proto hellenic trides

[@southepirote7676]

Well Hellenes were Albanian so 🤷‍♂️

[@wankawanka3053]

@@southepirote7676 ahaha first you insult the greeks and now you claim them you albos will never decide what you want whether it's history or origin🤣

[@patriotalbanian3205]

@@wankawanka3053it’s funny that we only know which tribes are ours bu grece from n Africa claim everything as grece even kastrioti 😂your stupidity has no limits

[@azwris]

@@wankawanka3053 Let them speak fake words my friend. They just envision to rewrite history, to expand, to plunder and steal. Some people never change. You know what I mean. Hellas never dies!

[@russianinvader3207]

@@southepirote7676 The other way around.

[@beepboop204]

[@irakliskazantzidis1147]

Dardanos Flood next time...?

[@dominicanvic9]

Genesis 46:12 And the sons of Judah; Er, and Onan, and Shelah, and Pharez, and Zerah: but Er and Onan died in the land of Canaan. And the sons of Pharez were Hezron and Hamul. 1 Chronicles 2:6 And the sons of Zerah; Zimri, and Ethan, and Heman, and Calcol, and Dara: five of them in all. 1 Kings 4:31 For he was wiser than all men; than Ethan the Ezrahite, and Heman, and Chalcol, and Darda, the sons of Mahol: and his fame was in all nations round about. Darda was an Israelite descended from Judah. Not Dan

[@MikeP88]

Throjans were same people with Thracian people . Dardanians and thracians are related . The acheological finds show the original lands of them were charpetians and danube area , region of Romania and Bulgaria nowadays

[@dios1ish868]

Illyro-Thracs.

[@wankawanka3053]

trojans were anatolians

[@MikeP88]

@@wankawanka3053 anatolian hunter gatherer were actualy their ancestors we speek about 2000 y ago not 8000 y ago

[@wankawanka3053]

@@MikeP88 nope actual anatolian like the luwians

[@فتاةعارية]

شو طلبت

[@LuisAldamiz]

I suspect that this Roman neo-legend is based on Etruscan memories but we only have the Livian reinvention, not the Etruscan beliefs.

[@mladenmatosevic4591]

Apparently one group of Proto Indo Europeans settled to Anatolia at least to Egeian sea going southern of Caucassus, while other went through Pontic steppe to Europe. One group remained on east shore of Black Sea. And they certainly had some level of contact among themselves and with branches which settled to Iran and India, and traces of that knowledge was left in Greek mythology.

[@sak594]

😅

[@patriotalbanian3205]

You are slav you have zero history in Balkan but in Mongolia

[@karkaba100]

Gora Alexandre Eleazar !!!!

[@bekbeka800]

YLLIRE DARDANE TROJANE ARBRESHE ARVANITE SHQIPETARE SUPER RACA FROM ALBANIEN

[@vanmars5718]

😂😂😂😂

[@ellinmakedon1216]

Albanian Dreams 😂😂😂😴👽🛸

[@Dice_roller]

Keep dreaming😂😂😂

[@patriotalbanian3205]

@@ellinmakedon1216which dream North African Algeria dark skin ?those are facts dardan ilir troya Alban pure Albanian name nothing to do with North Africa Arabia grece get your fact you have same dark skin like Arab looking Alexander was neverrrrrrrrrr grece but macedon Thracian identity

[@ellinmakedon1216]

@@patriotalbanian3205 albanian Coffee Shop History 🤣🤣🤣👽👽🛸

[@ibunjaku]

Dardan First Man, the race of the WhiteBorn's

[@borisfrlic]

Trojans = Dardanians = Triballi = Srbi One and the same. Troy was in the Panonian Sea. We still have oral tradition of everything that has happened for the past few thousand years.

[@rexhepduraku4411]

💩

[@marccan3267]

Jesus man! Are you mocking Serbian people??

[@borisfrlic]

@@marccan3267 I am a Serb you clown

[@fatonrama4812]

the Greeks never existed, the modern Greeks have nothing to do with the Illyrians or the Dardanians, nothing, everything was Illyrian

[@wankawanka3053]

keep telling yourself that crybaby

[@ΜιχάληςΞανθου]

Go to sleep my friend

[@marikasoupiadou9635]

​@@ΜιχάληςΞανθουΤι αίσχος Αλμπανιανς. Δεν ξέρουν τι είναι οι ίδιοι τους και προσπαθούν να ανεκατεψιυν και τούς Έλληνες που είναι χιλιάδες χρόνια στο ίδιο μέρος με το ίδιο DNA.

[@jetonbalidemaj]

Lmao the fact that people think Hellenic tribes waged a 10 year war with another Hellenic tribe is so stupid. The Trojans and Dardanians were obviously linked to the Illyrian Dardanians like MANY Greek and Roman writers have stated which is why you didnt give any examples besides the fake mythological family tree you present. I respect that fact that you tried but way more reseach is needed when covering a topic like this.

[@Dardanian.Kingdom]

the dardanians belonged to the older group of balkan peoples who were racially related to those of north west asia minor

[@napalm-gr]

Dardanians and Trojan were 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷 Cry albanian.

[@sak594]

Both the Trojans and the Macedonians were part of the Greek nation. All the inhabitants of the Aegean were closely related throughout the historical and prehistoric period. Then there were no Turks, Albanians, Bulgarians, etc

[@wankawanka3053]

The Peloponnesian war lasted for even longer than the mythical trojan war poor albo 😂 keep trying

[@redandblack1911]

​@sak594 our Illyrian/proto Illyrian Haplogroups beg to differ. Albanians (the grandchildren of Illyrians) were present even thousands of years prior.

[@bennyblanco10]

Proud illyrians

[@sgeosg]

Who?

[@ΜιχάληςΞανθου]

Proud hellas

[@monikagrosch9632]

I can’t listen to that voice it pulls my teeth out

[@klausbrinck2137]

Yeah, there are the core-Greeks, and others, spread mainly all over the eastern mediterranean coasts. It is possible, that the Trojans were Greeks, cause after all, the core-Greeks are known for civil-war, and not for attacking foreigners... The Makedonians weren´t probably always greek, but first since 800bc. The southern Greeks were mad at them, when the Persians came, cause unlike "real Greeks", who never yield, the Makedonians have straight away surrendered to the Persians. The Greeks were hellenizing the surrounding countries very early, thus creating buffer-zones of hellenized allies, in case of a foreign attack. And so, they also had more Greeks to make civil war with, like with Troy, maybe... When civil war didn´t prove enough, they invented Democracy, so that they can dispute and fight also in their everyday political lifes... ;-) (instead of uniformly following a king´s commands, in their respective Polis) Greeks kept the Persians at bay for 150 years after the failed persian invasions (by destroying their ports together with their fleets). But only the Makedonians ever attacked a foreign nation, to my understanding, and that´s why the makedonian Greeks never "felt" exactly the same as the southern Greeks. I always found that correct: before you spread your culture to others (especially before you spread it with violence), you should take care of matters in your own home itself. That´s why civil war always comes before war against foreigners. War against foreigners comes after you´ve cleaned up your own realm. Sadly, barbarian Romans weren´t cultivated enough to understand such, and attacked Greece.

[@jetonbalidemaj]

Greek was the main spoken language at the time like how were talking English but that doesnt mean Macedonians and Trojans were Greek just like im not American or Englsih but I cant speak for your nationality.

[@pseudomonas03]

@@jetonbalidemaj We are talking about 3.500 years ago. Greek wasn't yet by any mean the lingua franca back then, until Alxander the Great, a thousand years later, as a Greek from Argive origins established the Greek language as lingua franca.

[@klausbrinck2137]

@@jetonbalidemaj Greek was the main spoken language since 400-300bc, and not at 1200bc. Aside to that, the Greeks really had countless colonies, mainly since 800bc, but also before... There were very little people back then, so, when the greeks were building a new colony, there werent any people around in the whole region, most of the time, unlike the british and the french, spanish austrians, who had to subdue people, in order to colonize them. Greeks were colonizing the country, that was, most of the time, anywa not yet inhabited.

[@vanmars5718]

​@@jetonbalidemajGreek was important language throughout the Mediterranean but Macedonians weren't a colony, their land was in mainland Greece and participated at the Olympics, and in all other panhellenic festivals....questioning the greekness of Macedonians is ridiculous since if Macedonians weren't Greeks despite all that then no one else was also Greek in Greece. About Trojans we don't know...they don't seem to be hellenic but very much connected, since some Greek names appeared in the Hittite texts about Trojans. The main understanding from the historians is that the city of Troy often made marriages - alliances with Mycenaeans, thus the Greek names on then

[@sak594]

​@@vanmars5718Both the Trojans and the Macedonians were part of the Greek nation. All the inhabitants of the Aegean were closely related throughout the historical and prehistoric period. Then there were no Turks, Albanians, Bulgarians, etc

[@ilir397]

Its smth sus here Everythin in europe in that time is considered greek and hellenic Phyrrus greek Macedons greek All of europe greek Where r other cultures, i know greeks colonized a lot of areas in europe (from spain to crimea) but to be everythin greek???

[@senadbedzeti2401]

Ilyria an dardania

[@ΜιχάληςΞανθου]

Hellenic history

[@senadbedzeti2401]

@@ΜιχάληςΞανθου 😂😂😂 send me your references please Socrates

[@marikasoupiadou9635]

​@@senadbedzeti2401Σε αλλαζωνες δεν δίνουμε πληροφορίες. Να μάθεις να φαιρεσαι σαν άνθρωπος.

[@southepirote7676]

Congratulations on legalizing gay marriage Gayreece 😂

[@wankawanka3053]

congrats on being a failed state Turkalbania 🤣

[@GrecoByzantine1821]

Congratulations for being the most famous goat lovers of Europe Albanians 😂

[@russianinvader3207]

That didn't age well for Albania...

[@InAeternumRomaMater]

Gotta love the Roman propaganda. But you have grown a lot, but to reach a 100k you must post more often. I will be waiting for a video about the Latinii tribes, from their existence in 10th c. bc until the conquest of the Latin league in 338 bc by their Roman brothers.

[@lol9123]

In not evrithing Greek the world not turning around Greek😂😂😂

[@ThimiPapathimiu]

In ancient Greek teritor wer Akaja end people akej .Read and listen maps and papirus.Learn lenguage Albaniean and all misteries cange.This lenguage is from asirian people.Nefilim,Anu ,Enki,Enlili,Nibiru.stem of Enlil is eagle 2 head ,from book zecharia Sitchin Planet 12.From Albania .

[@gj5166]

Dardani,Dalmati,Albani,Iliri,Sparti 🇦🇱🇽🇰🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱

[@lalbash7543]

Dardanians 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱