History of Jessica Drew - The first Spider Woman

Today on the show, Faust talks about Jessica Drew, The First Spider Woman. If you didn't know that she is one of many characters to have their origin changed, then this show is for you!
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[@DanTruong10-13-95]

Would be awesome for Marvel to do a Netflix series for Jessica Drew/Spider-Woman. Her story is too complicated to be set as a 2-3 hr movie.

[@kaysiesteele7163]

Dan Truong I think they should put in an actual marvel movie because she is in the avengers

[@kpatten2354]

Dayum, I didn't know how deep the spiderwoman character history is

[@rodneydodson7676]

Coincidental that the woman who absorbs Spider Woman's powers (7:18) looks a lot like Rogue

[@zoevtapas]

I love Faust. number one, the name. number two, how much he knows and his excitement during the webisodes. totally brilliant

[@darscoll1073]

FAUST why r u so EPIC???

[@IamLucky87]

Awesome videos Faust but, I was wondering if you were going to do a video on The Question?

[@GaMowMowReal]

Do the history of Rogue if there is one which I believe there is

[@wishbone346]

I've never read anything about Spider Woman and after hearing her backstory I'm not sure I want to... I mean it's not that it sounds bad, but... well it doesn't sound that good either.

[@slowdive49441]

Watch Agent of S.W.O.R.D. It is available on KZbin. It is terrific.

[@stizz1982]

She needs to have a movie seriously

[@TheMasterMan120]

Magnus: your father was killed lol Jessica: THE HECK IS WRONG WITH YOU me: ...

[@deproissant]

I like the fact that Spider Woman isn't just a female counterpart of Spider Man. I'm planning to start following her story, where do you think I should begin? Also, who owns the rights to her movies?

[@ItsSuperEffective]

It's probably Marvel who owns the Spiderwoman movies, as she has nothing to do with Spiderman, however no one is 100% sure, not even Marvel. As for her story, I would say just wait untill the new Spiderwoman comic comes out in a few months!

[@44excalibur]

+ItsSuperEffective Jessica Drew/Spider Woman should be totally owned by Marvel, because she debuted in her own separate comic and had no connection to Peter Parker's storyline. She's the creation of the High Evolutionary, not any radioactive spider or some blood transfusion from Peter.

[@dannytanner1315]

+ItsSuperEffective I've just discovered your awesome videos. To add to what you've said, Filmation produced a similar hero named Web Woman in the late 70's, and Marvel wanted to lose the use of a Spider Woman name or character, so they made the 1979 cartoon series. It came before the comics etc. If I'm not mistaken.

[@dannytanner1315]

+ItsSuperEffective My bad, Marvel DIDN'T want to lose the name/possible character named Spider Woman, so Franz Depatie created the Spider Woman cartoon series with Knott's Landing actress Joan Van Ark voicing Spiderwoman. In the show, Jessica's dad used a spider serum to cure her after an injury which granted her powers. I hated her "nephew" Billy though.

[@PurpSirus]

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[@footstepsbehindme13]

Iron Fist! He doesn't get enough love!

[@MR.NDCOMICS]

Spider woman so complicated character no wonder there was never a cartoon or movie of her

[@TheDrG33k]

There is a cartoon of her...

[@musicaltheatergeek79]

Nathaniel Davis there was a short-lived Saturday morning cartoon series on ABC in 1979-1980. I used to watch the reruns as a kid growing up in the '80s. But only 16 episodes were made in all.

[@lovelightluckycharmyeah]

Nathaniel Davis In fact, she is the only female who has a cartoon show as main character in all comics history...

[@roguemetamorph6353]

One thing I find that tends to always be missing from your videos is the love interests. I understand that a character's love interests don't define the character and some people don't see them to be important (especially some of the comic book couples being thrown together at a whim) but I find them really interesting. I would appreciate you adding this aspect into your videos, even if it is a single comment about their main love interests that only takes up a few seconds.

[@ItsSuperEffective]

Not every character has love interests. I also intentionally leave stuff out so people can find stuff out for themselves if they choose to research the characters. Remember that this channel is not and never will be an alternate to actually reading comics, so unless a love interest is SUPER important (I.E Like Dick Grayson and Starfire with their wedding) I won't mention it.

[@roguemetamorph6353]

ItsSuperEffective Thank you so much for your comment back. I really appreciate it and understand what you're saying. It's just something that I tend to enjoy in comics and found missing here. But I understand completely.

[@aalaapcle]

Sorry comments didnt show up

[@brunofranco4416]

Whould you please make a history of big hero 6, or guardians of the galaxy?

[@igorgutsu1442]

AMAZING VIDEO! Very Well Said And Easy To Understand/Easy To Listen To. I Love The Way You Told Her Back-Story. Thumbs Up For You And You Have Earned Yourself A New Subscriber Mate! I Loved It, Keep Up The Amazing Videos!

[@ashleyyeoh679]

What am I doing binging Faust videos when I have an exam tmr.

[@scrletruby2317]

Can you please do Wonder Woman or Cat woman?

[@trashyedits7478]

I love Jessica drew's spider-woman character but it's just sad how she hasn't gotten that big break. I feel like they need to use some aspects of her past background but re imagine her almost completely , like for insistence what if she did a little bit of a Peter parer and starts her adventure in high school and instead of having some-one like tony stark as a mentor, she had an hydra agent? I mean there is so many possibility's for her and even a few with spider-man. which to be honest would be really cool if they had them paired up more often.

[@samuelswift7524]

Great Job!

[@elijahblechman8633]

she needs to be in more cartoons

[@1twulf]

Has she ever had any type of webbing? I know in the short run of her cartoon tv show she did but in the comics I can't seem to find even 1 time she uses webbing....

[@jeremycline9542]

I love characters like Jessica: created as a business decision, but later given lots of depth and personality by creators. What Hopeless did is amazing.

[@guaskoqizz]

I think that there are so many diffrent stories about Jessica Drew/Spider-Woman so it would hopefully be a good idea to just make a whole new story. No sequel. No prequel. Just a whole new story that keeps her classic appearance. If it will be a movie about Spider-Woman, I think it would be really good if the movie was about a high school student with the same name (Jessica Drew) and she gets her powers and abilities by a radioactive spider. Sure it sounds familiar with the Spider-Man story, but I was thinking that this story sounds simple and not so complicated. Of course it's just an idea. If you have a better idea, please let me know. I hope you like my idea of course :)

[@veeganboy]

What a tangled web of an origin! Thanks for helping make sense of it all. I'm going to go soak my head for a while. It hurts.

[@TravisWebb]

"Oh by the way your father was murdered, lol" nearly fell out of my chair.

[@MrColinWarde]

Thanks, that was helpful. I'll watch more

[@razrramonel4077]

Jessica Drew had gone to a "Hydra" base, and found her dad alive, after finding her mother killed (apparently her mother had been killed by "Hydra"), after finding her father alive, she tells him that her mother had been killed, her father tells her that he is the "Hydra Mastermind" and that there was a "Queen Hydra", Jessica Drew puts her mask back on and attempts to kill her father, after seeing the death of her mother.

[@xblackfirefreak]

I learn so much from you

[@7JOSERONALDO]

Im dooing a spider woman presentation, and i'm having dificulties finding what's her mission...help please?

[@BlackBearGhost]

i have to agree with you about getting her own comic books again and getting her set in stone one cetain way she has the portenal to become a great heroine

[@mshadows113]

Ok. I see you have done quite a few comic character history videos. Can you do a history of Ra's Al Gul. Or however you spell it. Or would that be too long

[@lupemacias4283]

thanks for cathing me up to speens

[@markdefrancesco5035]

you're account is amazing!!;)

[@meandyouplay2]

Hey, I might be redundant with this question but what is the whole thing with a different Spiderwoman in the Ultimate Spiderman seies where New York gets flooded and people think Spiderman died? Apparently Spiderwoman knows Aunt May but who is she? Is she related to Spiderman? Maybe I'm not searching the internet correctly. Thanks.

[@musicaltheatergeek79]

They should do a FIRST Spider-Woman movie instead of a THIRD origins franchise.

[@moviehooky5215]

You could see her ultimate spider-man version.

[@VideoQuestEx]

LOL: I barely know anything about ANY of the "Spider-Women" characters, and this "history of" actually makes sense to me. I understood bits and pieces of it (like the "Agent of S.W.O.R.D" series and Motion Comic), but a ton of it was news to me! Good video!

[@stebaer]

Yes There were among them Mary Jane Watson as Spider-Girl Character which may have like Lois Lane as Superwoman been temporary and or now and then?also The Spider-Woman who appeared in a 4 issue Mini-Series.Next to date was a Spider-Girl likeness of Spider-Man who had her own book for a time too.

[@Bag2218]

Dude you need to do a collab with Linkara

[@sheexecutivewoah2119]

Jess is one of my 3 faves alongside Medusa and Carol Danvers

[@GdaGreedyGenius]

Is it possible if you can do a Lady Liberators video? Thanks

[@jermainejohnson131]

Spider-Woman is my second favorite superheroine.

[@Karolina-hy9xg]

she's my first fav

[@craigmacdonald6002]

Jesus. I had no idea her origin/history was such a mess. I only really remember her from the old cartoon series and I have pretty vague memories of that.

[@veraevans6387]

I totally agree. Some of the messiest writing I've ever heard. Her character is literally all over the place and none of it is any good.

[@wildfireleo]

I agree with your opinions at the end 100%

[@jhollister7483]

Would be interested if they put it on Netflix

[@just2botheru]

Wow, he actually slowed down with the "Its SuperEffective!" Last vid I saw (History of Raven), that would be like every so minutes...

[@ChiotVulgaire]

love the videos, would you ever make a history for popular villains? Really enjoyed harley quinn video.

[@ItsSuperEffective]

Villain videos will come, just they will never be as common as the hero videos. There's just less Villains than heroes and a lot of them dont really have clear back stories. I mean, if we look at the Joker, we still dont know who he was before he was the Joker.

[@Naptime48]

This guy reminds me of that fast Show sketch aboot the historian presenter that cant' keep his hands still! :)

[@FaeVamp]

Now that she's had another steady comic for a while, do you think you will do an update on her character? :)

[@tylerleach8796]

Question about her origin who creates a ray look that let me guess oscorp right

[@thunderball9114]

I think this character is most exciting when she is an agent, she was trained by hydra and thats what i liked most about agent of sword. She is basically 007 or Jack bauer with enhanced strength agility and pain tolerance. They should utilize this more often. Give more 24 like situations where yes its nice that she has powers but succeeds more often cause she uses her training and tactics.

[@totalspoof8344]

Yeah that's why I was looking it up. I was like spider woman? She sounds really....confused.

[@ggyyg-sj2pu]

who owns the film rights for her? Sony or Marvel?

[@KeroKaminaX]

would you be able to do a history of the Ultimate Spiderman Peter Parker and Miles Morales

[@dweeds]

you talk sooooo excitedly it makes the video wanting

[@RubberyCat]

I agree with your conclusion.

[@bravosxodus6596]

the kid knows his shit. he's even got the little random shit that most folk are completely unaware of.

[@lunchmoney5086]

My dads been teach'in ME marvel since I was 2 or 3. I know a lot Of DC from internet,comic's and T.V.

[@uncrownedking2117]

after hearing this is makes me think that she likes to move around alot

[@gamerkyle123]

Any chance of you doing the history of Spider-Girl (May Parker)?

[@greenevvo5710]

The story of Jessica Drew is way better and original than a gender-swapped, alternate, or cloned version of Peter Parker. I would like to see a Spider woman MCU movie, she can show up in Far from Home or have a Netflix series of Spider woman!

[@angelinaelizabethmcknight1017]

After watching this, it confirms my opinion that Marvel just cannot handle their female characters properly. I was a fan of both Marvel and DC since the early to mid-eighties, so I've seen a lot of changes & stuff, but that's one thing that's become very apparent. Both companies are equally bad at handling their female characters. I actually can't think of any that haven't been messed up, remade, rebooted or whose history isn't a total confusing mess.

[@dragdragon23]

You didn't mention anything about her packing a kid in her tummy? But, As I read this part as she was in a space hospital and skrulls showed up to take out a very young skrull prince. She actually showed a lot of good moves, as she used kick boxing and karate moves and used skrull assault weapons. I feel, they should of had her as a shield agent and wore a shield version of her ugly spiderwomans suit and she was part of a special unite and wore this shield spider suite when she is working solo or with the Avengers. and she carries all sort of weapons.

[@shanecoleman7601]

umm are all or of most the spider women & girls inspired by Spiderman?

[@jessicarichards4428]

cool

[@tillisdexterward4336]

whould like to see a history of exodus First Appearance X-Factor #92 (1993). his always been so mysterious

[@Izaya-472]

Can you do one on Spiderman and one on the Joker

[@notfound8014]

with all the buzz around GOTG you should do a History of the guardians, everybody will look on you tube for informations on them

[@gregclay217]

Whats up Faust.. I love your video's man you do a Great job... hey can you make a video about Artemis from Young Justice for me dude..?? i watched your video about Young Justice and it made me want to watch the show..(Thanx) i need more info on Artemis A.S.A.P lol.. can you help me out?? *ITS SUPER AFFECTIVE!!!!

[@ItsSuperEffective]

Well, the Young Justice cartoon Artemis doesn't exist in the comics. She's a loose adaptation of about 5 characters, most bluntly Tigress and Arrowette, but even then, the two of them are totally different from Artemis.

[@bravosxodus6596]

ItsSuperEffective true indeed. she was a dope character . i hate that they killed the show

[@CharmsLithe]

It definitely needs something unified here, but, I have to be honest, I loved the change to her origin and Agents of S.W.O.R.D. comics...I felt like her character felt more consistent, but, Bendis did write both. I honestly love him, so, I might be biased.

[@AK33M]

MARTHA FRANKLIN can we get a video on her?

[@abdulmusawwir5527]

No mention of Wundagore and the High Evolutionary in Jessica's origin?

[@eminor9196]

I like the ultimate version of Jessica drew better

[@ghostfunk]

Could you do The history of the 2 Scarlet Spiders? I love the characters but I don't know much about them.

[@buffyxenaman]

i like agent of sword. She had to deal with the aftermath of the skrull spider woman taking her place. I think she needs to be in a Avengers show because she is awesome.

[@mbaye9171]

Can you do a history of some new spiderman whose name is Miles Morales?

[@MetalMadness_00]

If I wrote Jessica I’d make her a more cutesy side character

[@ShiestyPLOWuTang]

I started to watch the video but then I noticed something at very start of the video

[@Dean123123100]

Jerell Collier what ?

[@Dean123123100]

***** oh that ? that's always been there.

[@ShiestyPLOWuTang]

***** Lol ummm....not quite 😅

[@deadcell1]

Can you do one about Dagger?

[@preyforforgiveness7186]

I remember there was a spider woman/ spider girl who wore a spider suit similar to venoms character. I think she has red hair and in one series she took down this powerful foe that she collapsed and her daughter panicked when she found her. who is this one?

[@BigDapPacino]

That is the Force Works character...she was also with Avengers West Coast at one time...she was in the Iron Man books during the early 90's!

[@preyforforgiveness7186]

+BigDapPacino what's her name?

[@dannytanner1315]

+PreyForForgiveness That was Julia Carpenter aka Spider Woman #2. Before they made Venom a separated entity, both Julia and black suit Spidey were shown in the 80's Secret Wars comics. She was in the 90's Iron Man cartoon and in the comics. Her name was later changed to Arachne kinda like how Miles Morales's name is changed to Kid Arachnid in the current cartoon Spider man vs. the Sinister Six.

[@Karolina-hy9xg]

that's MATTIE FRANKLIN

[@Hyerlord]

there is no video

[@Nate-sq7mw]

Why did they rescue Norman he is the green gablen

[@TheSlovenmind]

Holly CRAP @4:44 lol no wonder that is a crazy story line origin...

[@verosanchez6104]

Can you do one of professor zoom please

[@WolfDOuka]

Do the history of Deadpool and Deathstroke aka Slade. Also do a thing on the animated series of Teen Titans

[@raymondxo]

I totally agree w/ you 100% Jess Drew has always been a problematic character. The origin that was detailed in the 1st published issue of Spider-Woman in the 70's is totally different that the now "official" origin that was published in the '05 ORIGIN miniseries. Hopefully Marvel will get it right with her one day LOL. Personally my favorite Spider-Woman is Julia Carpenter, I love how she was a divorcee/single mom and she became a superhero out of desperation and lack of resources. A video about the history of Carpenter would be awesome.

[@ItsSuperEffective]

I've done one!! It's covered in my "History of Madame Web"

[@-MrGoogle]

raymondxo Spider-Woman in the 70's is the real one

[@-MrGoogle]

ItsSuperEffective can you cover my history of Storm

[@otakumarcus]

I really wished she was written better

[@SpookyMoonCatt]

Would you do a a History of Catwoman (Selina Kyle)?

[@stebaer]

I'd like to make that request too she (Catwoman) had her backs and forth as a villianess to a heroine and back and in different incarnations.

[@BigDapPacino]

Her costume was always better than her character,,,it seems like a lot of super heroes were Private detectives in the 80's!

[@nooneofimportance2110]

You know there is one question I have about Spider Woman, when did she have a kid, and with who? I was a little perturbed to find out that Stark was keeping her way from her child, but there seemed to be no reason. Then I realized I had no idea she had even had a kid. Or am I wrong and this is a different Spider-woman? Anyways, I really enjoy your channel, I hope you hope to see more of your stuff.

[@snowhitedyke]

I can't remember the issue it was but there was a scene where she's talking to Carol about it. She says she had a false pregnancy scare and found herself disappointed that she wasn't pregnant, so she went to get a donor and did it on her own (trying to put it delicate here).

[@JusRed48]

If you're talking about her having a child currently, Jess wanted a baby so got a donor. It's a pretty refreshing take on what's a REALLY tired go-to trope for writers trying to draw attention to female characters. (It's usually either pregnancy or marriage.)

[@snowhitedyke]

Banana Rama it's worth reading just to see carol trick tony into asking jess who the dad is, and then getting food thrown in his face lol

[@ryokobeifong7793]

Tigra please from Marvel

[@sprayinurjaw]

U 4 got her relationship with hawkeye with started n the avengers book but ended n the hawkeye book

[@markdefrancesco5035]

do a chacarlet witter spider woman history video

[@Lionheart5977]

do spiderman and spiderwoman ever meet?

[@MrFukko45]

Do one of Kid Flash

[@TheSlovenmind]

Very good video.... LOL @7:42 This is where it gets really, really good, lol I can't believe I lasted this long... grew up with this character, liking her image, but never bought or followed her story at all....sadly, I would screw up with her Origin EVEN MORE. First I would make her from Central America or South America, just because the Marvel Universe needs it....serious, I always thought she was Latin. Second she sounds like she lived a similar pollen to Elektra. Maybe give her some more power like time warp/or bending realms to make her go even more crazy. Most of everything I would keep with Shield, her anxiety, her fear generating, powers, maybe enchant her with magic resistance and she could aid Doctor Strange. Instead of lasers, maybe her mother was enchanted by a witch or something from an alternate realm and that is where she gets her powers and her mysterious disappearance of her parents.... again this is just the top of y head to really screw and piss people off LOL... I would actually use a younger version of her from child(like fire stater movie, Hana, or early teens and see what develops...I would also just caller her code name Arana at start then Spider Woman.(spider in spanish) and no I am not mexican/spanish, I am Canadian. My idea on how to portray Wonderwoman, Super girl, or Ms Marvel/Captain Marvel etc would fix everything wrong with heroine films.... it is so simple why they suck...Elektra, Supergirl, catwoman, etc etc.... step 1...no female villain, 2. no male love interest, just gawking males.... 3. Guys don't want to see a movie with a female villain, unless they are fight a male lead, 4. they don't want the woman they idolize fall for any male in the movie, they ca save men and boy and women who fantasy about her, but can't get her...untouchable like a model/goddess. 5. At the very end she can go out with one like James Bond, but not fall in love with just one guy.... Fantasy allure, usually I just write and keep these things to myself and my own idea....lol IT IS ALL FUN thought to imagine.

[@jonathanryan9946]

The problem woth your idea is there already is a latin Arana in marvel comics, her name is Anya Sofia Corazon but she more goes by Spider-Girl now (she the 2nd one). Oh and BTW she is/was Jessica Drew's apprentice. Jessica Drew is British (though she was Mexican in the 1979 cartoon series and a clone of Peter Parker in the Ultimate Comic timeline). If you want to see her in her British form watch the motion comic Spider-Woman: Agent of Sword (I personally disagree with the video here and it's one of my fav runs of her character ever). Jessica Drew's hair color is naturally blonde but she dies it black (she did that in issue 1 of her 1978 series after the Scotland Yard guy ripped off her mask and saw her face and has just been doing it ever since... but she is a blonde even in her retold origin story by Bendis this was upheld and not retconned) I've seen a few people before think she was Latin due to the black hair and a few due to the old cartoon series. However she's a sassy brit in the main comic universe.

[@nuclear-animalz2491]

Can you do ms. Marvel

[@jessicarichards4428]

cool video s

[@CosmicUndeadElf]

I hate that they changed her costume recently, I guess because so many people complained about the previous one being being too revealing. Nevermind the Hulk and all his impossibly ripped muscles though, it's okay when it's a male being "objectified" ...

[@crogers674]

+CosmicUndeadElf Before I get started I just want to let you know that I'm not trying to be rude whatsoever, I'm just trying to have a civil conversation. So if I DO say anything that comes off as rude that is COMPLETELY unintentional on my part. I would appreciate it if you take the time to read through the whole comment, as I believe I'll have presented an interesting point of view by the end. You of course by no means have to, nor do I expect you agree with me 100% by the end of this. If you do agree then hey, that's cool. If you don't that's fine, it's your opinion after all. Have you ever heard of "false equivalence" before? The Hulk isn't considered sexy by any straight/bi/pan women I know. He's what one would call a "Male Power Fantasy." A MPF is genuinely a ripped, hulking, badass, always get the girl type of guy who takes 10x more "macho supplements" then he probably should. Other characters that abide by this are Superman, Batman, Captain America, Kranos, He-Man, Wolverine, Duke Nukem, The Punisher, most if not all of the male MK characters and many, many others. MPF characters are often also what some would call "Escapist Characters." An EC is basically a depiction of what the audience wants to be. In the case of men in both comic book and video games an EC would be a male protagonist (sometimes silent depending on how far the escapism goes) who is insanely ripped (like a body builder), powerful, incredibly talented, and extremely popular to the opposite sex. There isn't inherently anything wrong with a MPF or ECs. In fact they can be great in their own ways. The problem's that come with female characters is that they are very rarely escapist and are more there as eye-candy the male reader/viewer/player. Female characters are often given unrealistic body types, for example having a size 5 shirt size while also have f-size breasts is... uncommon. Not only that but their clothes tend to be both extremely revealing and impracticable. Fishnets? Sleeveless shirts/tube tops? Miniskirts? No pants, but some odd sorta but not quite underwear? Yeah... impractical. To add to this they're often put in sexual posses that you'd never see a male character in. These types of things often make female fans uncomfortable and perpetuate negative body imagery that women have to deal with on a regular basis. (For example there are actually young women in the world who are having several RIBS surgically removed so that they have a better chance at having the impossible hour glass figure shape that Disney's Princesses, Barbies, and yes, Superhero women have.) It REALLY IS a big problem that needs to be addressed. Now this isn't to say that absolutely no male heroes are sexualized. It is simply that it is in a MUCH SMALLER margin than it is with female characters. As I've stated above Hulk counts as a MPF, an actual male character that DOES get sexualized fairly often is Nightwing from DC. HOWEVER, his sexualization is often played for laughs. For example, a female character will meet him and comment on his god looks (usually his ass) and then he thanks them in a confused, flustered, or perturbed manner. Then the joke is done for a few issues. To go along with this MOST opposite-gender-oriented women find leaner, but still muscular men (like runners or acrobats) attractive, not the body-builder level men that are often a part of a MPF, such as, again, The Hulk. On a final note I'd like to say one thing. I don't mind if female characters show some skin (maybe they don't have long sleeves, or they have some cleavage showing, or their outfits show off their legs) as long as their outfits or super-suits aren't super impractical. Lastly I don't think it's wrong to show women desiring sex, nor do I think it's wrong to show intercourse or whether or not the woman has a very active (or very not) sex life, as women DO desire sex the same as men do, and some women ARE very active sexually. What I don't like is when their characters are treated as props for the male viewership to ogle. I don't know if anything I said will help you understand my point of view, let alone if your opinion has changed. If the first didn't happen then that's fine, at least I tried. If the second didn't happen that's also fine, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even if I disagree.

[@daniel-son428]

+Chloe Rogers glad to see someone actually recognizes this, I'm so tired of people pulling the whole " males are equally objectived" bullshit argument

[@CosmicUndeadElf]

Daniel -Son At no point did I say "Equally"

[@CosmicUndeadElf]

***** I said that nobody cares when men are objectified but when a women is people act like it's the end of the world. I don't care what anyone says, her old costume was much better and not just because of how revealing it was, now she doesn't even look like a super hero. She's not even wearing a mask anymore, just some glasses yeah brilliant disguise there Marvel!

[@crogers674]

+CosmicUndeadElf That's because men get significantly LESS objectified then woman. Studies have shown that the extreme objectification of women in media (all media) has had ramifications on society and how women are treated, and that those same ramifications have barely, if ever, touched men. For example men irl don't need to meet NEARLY as many beauty standards as women and the ones that they do aren't nearly as difficult. This isn't to say that it's okay to overly sexualize men either, because either way you are turning a representation of a group of people into eye-candy, and that's just wrong. A lot of writers don't seem to understand how to show adults having consensual sex, or even how to just show women having an active sex life without it jumping headlong into this problem. A lot of the perceived male objectification in media is just romantification. Reading the line between this and sexual objectification can be admittedly difficult but it's there. Male characters are rarely ever just there as sex objects for female readers. Again, the only one I can think of in comics to get legitimately sexualized is Nightwing, and most people I know actually get uncomfortable when other characters flirt with him because he's often PORTRAYED as being uncomfortable with the attention himself. You can't really say no one cares when it happens, because people do. Batman basically got raped by Talia Al Ghul and Nightwing WAS raped and there was major fan outcry after both instances due to the writers basically trying to push that "They're men so they had to like it" which is so, so wrong and just enforces so many bad things already in media that make it so men irl who have been raped feel like they can't report it. Basically what I'm saying is that when characters get overly sexualized in media it's going to get outcry no matter the gender, but since women get sexualized a significantly greater amount then men you hear about it more. Which makes sense, especially given how objectified women are in real life.

[@donkeykickpunch1263]

perfect named for a male spider themed charger: Arachnads.

[@willie_mov]

Jessica Drew could've been Ovarachnid

[@donkeykickpunch1263]

Character* I can't edit it on mobile

[@willie_mov]

+Maighdean Gemini we understood you lol