The Cult of Odin: Ecstatic Warbands of Pre-Christian Europe | UiO Student Conference 2023

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@flazzorb
@flazzorb Жыл бұрын
No spear dance?! I've been had!
@Foxglove963
@Foxglove963 Жыл бұрын
How about the sword dance?
@feral7523
@feral7523 Жыл бұрын
You should look into the old Irish war bands -The Fianna- loads of similarities with the Nordic/Germanic/Gaulish war bands from the wearing of Wolf skins to having "Warp Spasms" or Berserker battle madness/lust, poetry, Martial art training etc.. one member of the Fianna is Cu Chulainn who after having a Berserker/Warp Spasm moment the king in the ring fort ordered all the women present to go out to him topless and then fill 3 baths with icy water to "cool him off" and he boiled the first one to steam!, the second one he heated till almost boiling and the last one finally cooled him down and the topless women distracted him from killing others while still cooling down. Also the most common name in Ireland is Murphy which in Irish is Mac Murchada and translates into Sea Warriors/Sea Raiders which shows that Norse/Danes/Saxons weren't the first or last in Europe to go a Viking they just did it when people could write and record about it and yeah we all had pretty similar customs leading way back into the Neolithic era(iron age).
@TheMysticTable
@TheMysticTable Жыл бұрын
You are spot on there with the Fianna. They have been linked to the Proto-Indo-European Koryos by researchers. Both the Wild Hunt, Salii, cult of Apollo Lyceus, Korybantes, Quirinus, Mars and úlfheðnar link to the Koryos as well. The koryos being from the neolithic era. Quirinus also having a link to the idea of carnival as much as ancestors. Masking also being involved, but also the liberation and freedmen idea, and being a man of the tribe being linked to Quirinus as well. The priests of Quirinus also doing a spear ritual. I have been myself working on tapping into the koryos archetype from a Jungian lens through rituals. To re-enact it. I have been able to do this to great effect, being able to tap into the wolf rage in the woods. I generally do this far away from people, as it can be rather intense.
@hermanhale9258
@hermanhale9258 9 ай бұрын
@@TheMysticTable You and Lon Chaney, Jr.
@EVO6-
@EVO6- 4 ай бұрын
'Neolithic era (iron age)' The neolithic is the stone age. It's kind of in the name.
@feral7523
@feral7523 4 ай бұрын
@@EVO6- Oops , yup brain fart!
@Liliphant_
@Liliphant_ Жыл бұрын
The finding of an attestation of a word that linguists reconstructed is so cool
@dannyr3997
@dannyr3997 Жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to see the lecture on Anglo Saxon paganism referenced in the Frisian paganism video, as well as ant others from this event
@yarilolz
@yarilolz Жыл бұрын
My concept of Odin and what you explained blew my mind! Odin was a Disney character in thought to me but you unveiled something amazing! Thank you!
@petrapino6948
@petrapino6948 Жыл бұрын
Super interesting. Thank you for throwing this lecture up for the world to see! It would be super if you could repeat the questions back before answering them, so that those of us not in the actual room could hear them. Thank you!
@alexanderlindstrom01
@alexanderlindstrom01 Жыл бұрын
Well done and very interesting! You did well with the more formal and long form format of a lecture.
@SirAxelGrimnir703
@SirAxelGrimnir703 9 ай бұрын
51:05 this reminds me of the war planes covered in bullets allegory. The planes that survive giving us an initial bias to check after further inspection of the sources. Perhaps we have that conception of the Norse being unkempt because the sources were mostly written down by their enemies/ contemporaries. If their own culture rewards these warriors as unkempt, but outside sources describe the culture to be this way broadly, perhaps this reinforces the cultic practice of growing on a hair out.
@Ambay
@Ambay Жыл бұрын
So interesting to hear these talks about specific interests instead of a general view one often gets from other channels
@jonasfischer878
@jonasfischer878 Жыл бұрын
In todays German "Wut" can still translated to mad frenzy or anger, don't know how if that actually correlates to the ancient cognates tho...
@fringer6
@fringer6 Жыл бұрын
I always like calling it the Divine Ecstasy, when Odin blesses his warriors. Maybe it sounds more theatrical, but it sounds about right. I found an interesting reference to the Wild Hunt in the story of the Trial of the Holy Berserker Bearskin. It's a really good story if you come upon it. I can provide a link, but I know that people don't tend to trust links
@farfandelosgodos1681
@farfandelosgodos1681 Жыл бұрын
I like more the word weed. 😅😂
@StoicHistorian
@StoicHistorian Жыл бұрын
Great video as always dude
@DneilB007
@DneilB007 Жыл бұрын
A little bit surprised that the early medieval stories of “dog-headed men” among Germanic people (the Lombards, the Norse who came into conflict with Charlemagne, the Sami tales about the Padnakjunne) could all be references to the group theorized here.
@frekitheravenous516
@frekitheravenous516 Жыл бұрын
I became (or embraced) "Paganism" 30+ yrs ago when i was 16. Became part of an Odinic "Cult" about 10 yrs. ago. I personally prefer the term "Germanic". And being of English, Swedish & German ancestry I tend not to stint on one version of the old religion, i.e. - Norse, Saxon, etc. I love the Vendel period. For me it is so much cooler than the "Viking" age. Wish we knew more of the religion and Cult practices from back during that period. Great video. Thank you.
@TheEFVG
@TheEFVG Жыл бұрын
People who become "religious" because it's "cool". Hm. Nothing wrong with that, I guess. Very modern, indeed.
@splatsma
@splatsma Жыл бұрын
@@TheEFVG I do agree with that perspective. However I will contend that not all religions are 'belief' based as the Abrahamic ones are. In my religions / spiritualities, your deeds are more important than any internal belief structure. I should think that an animistic style religion such as may loosely described as 'North European Paganism', follows the deed over faith approach.
@uhhhjake7058
@uhhhjake7058 Жыл бұрын
@@splatsma I would say it's more of a cultural revival/mentality than any sort of faith. Certain values were promoted in these traditions, people embrace these to reconstruct a christianized/eradicated identity - that is still their heritage. But I mean, even in those days, and now, the practice widely differed and was mostly personal than orthodox by any means.
@buffyowo
@buffyowo Жыл бұрын
Odinism is a nazi cult thing
@ykarakartal
@ykarakartal Жыл бұрын
Swedish professor Sven Lagerbring(1707-1787). He has a book titled "Similarities of Swedish with Turkish". In his book, he mentions that Odin is Turkic and tells about the evidence. In his book Heimskringla, Snorri Sturluson describes the where Asia and Europe meet. He mentions the River Tanakvísl, which is the river Don, the Mediterranean Sea and the Black Sea, among other place names. He also mentions that Óðinn came from the land east of Tanakvísl, in Asia. Maybe this may be interpreted as Tyrkland (Turkey). In Snorra-Edda he also mentions Turks “Tyrkir”, and he claims that the heroics of Hector were actually done by Þór (Thor) and that the Turks called Ulysses Loki, because they were his worst enemies. Tyrkland was in Latin called Asia Minor.
@hermanhale9258
@hermanhale9258 9 ай бұрын
Interesting. I read once somewhere that the Aesir were gods from "Asia" and the Vanir from Europe, I believe, but I can't remember the translation of Vanir. It was a simple word of VN root, maybe VNR.
@stumccabe
@stumccabe Жыл бұрын
Very interesting - thanks.
@lakrids-pibe
@lakrids-pibe Жыл бұрын
Jagaz - he is Odin's man! Vote for Jagaz!
@dangerouswitch1066
@dangerouswitch1066 Жыл бұрын
7:49 the topoy could be a handy tool for understanding modern internet discourse. i wonder about comparing the language of the 19th, 20th & 21st century. it might be English but much has changed.
@Rynewulf
@Rynewulf Жыл бұрын
And today we have no spear dances, no teaching or transition to adulthood, we're just left to feel like unfulfilled half adults primed to spend money instead of living
@bagthebird7610
@bagthebird7610 Жыл бұрын
can i get the sauce on all the imagery you used plz?
@mwatson4283
@mwatson4283 Жыл бұрын
Mania? Manic? = Fury+Inspired
@dragosbecheru839
@dragosbecheru839 Жыл бұрын
Here is a slightly naive question: would Frisians be considered nordic or proto-viking? or classic germanic?
@feldgeist2637
@feldgeist2637 Жыл бұрын
classic west germanic, regardless of which Frisians you are thinking of but maybe even more precisely rather North-Sea-Germans, for they have more in common with the other north sea tribes than with let's say the inland westgermanic Chatti all the coastal tribes apparently engaged in some piratelike form of naval warfare but dunno if this can count as proto-viking
@alansmithee8831
@alansmithee8831 Жыл бұрын
Hello Hilbert. This was fascinating, though as a wargamer I was never able to get the positive throw of the dice for my berserkers to achieve a crushing victory. Perhaps my belief was not strong enough? For Geordies, war band would obviously be Lindisfarne with their famous berserker Gazza reciting the sacred lyrics of the poem about Fog on the Tyne. I had no problems with the dice when I swapped to fanatical Christian Abyssinians, who had the added the advantage of cavalry and elephants. I commented before how I imagined them like berserkers with war mammoths.
@yogsothoth7594
@yogsothoth7594 Жыл бұрын
Have you considered more animal sacrifice?
@alansmithee8831
@alansmithee8831 Жыл бұрын
@@yogsothoth7594 Not into animal sacrifice, but there was a wargame army list that included flaming pigs.
@yogsothoth7594
@yogsothoth7594 Жыл бұрын
@@alansmithee8831 Twas a joke my dude
@alansmithee8831
@alansmithee8831 Жыл бұрын
@@yogsothoth7594 ditto
@stalinlovsciafbifakemsmzio6674
@stalinlovsciafbifakemsmzio6674 Жыл бұрын
WoTaN Poem For Wotan [Rough Cut IP] All I have done and stories spun, hounds run, enemies and wenches broken All are bespoken For Wotan All that I have I have won and those I’ve smote Those bested in hollow hills and valleys and from whom their souls I’ve wrung from them and held up to All Father, for his Norns to shear the strings of their Lives offer, to make the late warriors wives lift up their wails and shrieking screams like gales regale The quick amongst the mouldering fallen Their women’s tears for him to taste All these have I brung For Wotan All I have read and watched and learned, taught and sung and in between all the hazel branches played and prayed, bled and fucked, fought and killed, Blood of outlanders I have spilled, all of the villages I have torched whose women I have taken to make sweet moans to please the ears of him whose mine life is as nothing And this and more that comprises all that I’ve seen witnessed and brought on, For Wotan And all that has been told is said like an echo whose whispers and laughter has fled through grains of the world ocean’s whirling hour glass of sands, and sounds resounding trickle down in red measures of men For we all are to make the path which takes us, If we could we’d dare not choose it That journey of hurts The trail shed lives’ stones Upon which in each other’s and our own Trodden slings and hurt slung arrows foot steps must we all finally follow, and yet from whence for some another fork may break, to feast and dine and stand as we do now upon the ebb of the moon’s flood Of time’s tides, to have sailed through the ages Been sung by sages Cried cries of havoc, havoc Made war and wrecked love As we stabbed and we cut and hacked our wavering lives the legnth and width and breadth of our days daily bread all through And finally those we’ve bound and woven tight as worduride’s Norn tapestries For to have laid before the feet and hung in the halls of Wotan And now my battle cry fear, trace through lines of wise men’s faces chew through shield walls hewn with scarlet not in any but the last day’s sun’s setting To raise it again To make them to meet my thrust and cower beneath the wasps of our bow strung shots To make foemen as corpse hall meat my wovenage my fleets of sea borne fury, the rabble I eschew and break against my heir, enunciate in the blood red spittle of Sagas of our land and mine hosts of glory and Speake my spell to the fates for my enemies to make and pull down in the undertow To drown in the sorrows I’ve spoken them to bind to graves ravens fain to carry tales of Naught but their woman’s tears to sting and fall within like rain in Like curses we’ve spat them out to lay asunder shoulder to throat-less skull by the thousands in corpse strewn fields Yields they once tilled now we’ve sewn With their bloated headless trunks for crows to feast on not six nor two feet beneath blood fertiled earth or sent them below ocean’s surface to wander endless tides beneath the deep in eternally sleepless Seething sheets of unshed tears The skalds to sing my prowess to berserkers I’ve spread the maiden n’ spew from whence my seed flung sprays like crests of waves begotten battles of them and thence cut keels of ships for seas to cleave the surf and sands of new shores break and grate Now hear the Valkyries cry like orphaned gulls to Valhalla war-bands of fallen warriors have I flung in ecstatic fury to be forever unsung for their widows to mourn and when all is being and done then the people will smile and say thanks for all that all I’ve done for them and theirs, For the new lands I have made for them But they and theirs and generations upon generations to come, are all of whom I have ever won Forever for The worship of the foremost Among all, Great All Father Wotan - meh, too long needs work. Ya inspired me for an hour but I et me lunch
@hermanhale9258
@hermanhale9258 9 ай бұрын
Some bits of that at the beginning were very good.
@BrutusAlbion
@BrutusAlbion Жыл бұрын
Classical cults are kinda like football clubs, you strongly favor a specific team but that doesn't stop you from partying or going on a rampage for another (friendly) club 😂
@Foxglove963
@Foxglove963 Жыл бұрын
Football/soccer is a game for 10 year old kids. Life is not a contest!!!
@BrutusAlbion
@BrutusAlbion Жыл бұрын
@@Foxglove963 it's just a game bro. How you handle that is what determines whether you're a child or adult. Otherwise every sport is childish. Do you play any sports or do you have any hobbies?
@NevisYsbryd
@NevisYsbryd 11 ай бұрын
​@@Foxglove963Economic success, reproduction, and survival against predators and parasites are all contests. Competition was built into biology the moment there was more than one organism if not earlier than that.
@farfandelosgodos1681
@farfandelosgodos1681 Жыл бұрын
May can thou let me wend this to spanish?
@Hagall999
@Hagall999 7 ай бұрын
Amazing lecture, fantastic information that is clearly laid out. But you need to find a few more synonyms for the term "corpus", hahaa.
@RichardCarlsson
@RichardCarlsson Жыл бұрын
Mantic States of Fury is the name of my new grindcore band.
@mh2.024
@mh2.024 Жыл бұрын
Help me out with that word..."typoi"?
@midsue
@midsue Жыл бұрын
Cool 👍
@Thunderous333
@Thunderous333 Жыл бұрын
A little fast for my liking though maybe that's the editing. Have some confidence and pace yourself you're doing amazing :)
@ds698
@ds698 Жыл бұрын
Use the speed play setting and slow it down :)
@Thunderous333
@Thunderous333 Жыл бұрын
@DS I did , and even with my past critique I do absolutely think the video and presentation are phenomenal
@magalipearl7
@magalipearl7 Жыл бұрын
Hello there, honest question; why being a cross dressing wizard and shape shifter contradicts being wise?
@hermanhale9258
@hermanhale9258 9 ай бұрын
Because it was socially deviant.
@watermelonlalala
@watermelonlalala Жыл бұрын
36:26 hootchie-kootchie
@sogero2
@sogero2 Жыл бұрын
My love for you like ticking clock. BERSERKER!
@wurzel9671
@wurzel9671 Жыл бұрын
3:23
@psychosytheXmediaXco
@psychosytheXmediaXco Жыл бұрын
I thought the wild hunt had been pretty definitively proven to be no older than like the 17 century?
@ThePizzaGoblin
@ThePizzaGoblin Жыл бұрын
Apparently not
@anncbower5564
@anncbower5564 Жыл бұрын
It goes even further back before Lindisfarne was attacked in the 880's.....Charlemagne's descendant managed to throw off the attack on Paris around that time by the Norsemen.
@adam-k
@adam-k Жыл бұрын
The concept was universally known in almost every IE people. Similar folklore exist in England, Scandinavia, France, Czech, Poland, Silesia. There might be two concept that entangled here though. One is the above mentioned rite of passage where young people symbolically die turn into wolves being expelled from society, they live of the lands as animals (and or form warbands raiding neighboring lands for cattle and women) until they return to the society as men. The other (wild hunt) is a raid where people encounter riders and dogs or wolves led by a king or war leader. The men are either dead ones, or half human half wolves.
@AyubuKK
@AyubuKK Жыл бұрын
It’s so interesting how much hallucinogenic drugs are associated with the divine. As if the supernatural is very much real but one of the very few ways of contacting gods/demons/angels/spirits/ghosts is by using hallucinogens. Like they’re the portal to the spirit world.
@Downhaven
@Downhaven Жыл бұрын
Is this Joe Rogan's burner?!?! J/k
@hermanhale9258
@hermanhale9258 9 ай бұрын
Drugs are only one of the ways to achieve ecstasy. Sex, is another. I think pain might be one. Wild dancing might be one.
@konnii1
@konnii1 3 ай бұрын
Oh hey I know that guy
@marksteven6116
@marksteven6116 8 ай бұрын
Woden
@MissMentats
@MissMentats Жыл бұрын
I’m here because of Delphi/Moscow lol
@daviddevlogger
@daviddevlogger Жыл бұрын
I introduced the best betting platform to my Landlord last week, as am talking now we're both tenants 😹🤔
@Foxglove963
@Foxglove963 Жыл бұрын
Woden is the north European god of extasy.
@louithrottler
@louithrottler Жыл бұрын
Hilbert, age isn't being kind to you - you look a lot more like Kirk Hammett from Metallica than when I saw you last.
@historywithhilbert
@historywithhilbert Жыл бұрын
It isn't me in the video ;)
@louithrottler
@louithrottler Жыл бұрын
@@historywithhilbert I was joking ya southern eejit lol
@nibiruresearch
@nibiruresearch Жыл бұрын
We can't understand myth and legends as long as we have no idea what is the reason that they emerged. Many ancient stories tell us about the most dramatic event in the history of mankind. That event is mentioned in ancient books like the Mahabharata or the Popol Vuh and others. Our planet Earth suffers from a cycle of seven natural disasters. The time between two disasters is mentioned a world period or era. The only possible cause of such a cycle can be a ninth planet in our solar syystem that is orbiting our sun in an eccentric orbit. Then it is close to the sun and the other planets for a short while and after crossing the eccliptic plane from these planets it disappears into the universe for a few thousand years. Due to the very high speed during the crossing the planet has a strong gravitational force on our planet. And that force pulls all sea water, sand and everything that is lying loose on the surface up 'above the highest mountains'.Because of this effect many living beings are killed and nearly everything that was made is destroyed. Myth tell us about three different effects: the planet itself, the disaster, and the change from one world era to another era. People started to explain this disaster as a fight between gods, a fight with a monster with seven heads or with the devil. This planet is worldwide known by many names: A serpent in the sky, a dragon, the destroyer, the revenger, a monster but also Phaeton, Quetzalcoatl, Lucifer Marduk and Nibiru are just a few. In scandinavia you know this disaster as Ragnarök. Thor and Odin, Wodan etc are the so called fighting gods. To learn much more about planet 9, the recurring flood cycle and its timeline, the rebirth of civilizations and ancient high technology, read the e-book: "Planet 9 = Nibiru". Available at Amazon site. This book answers many of your questions about ancient history. It can be read on any computer, tablet or smartphone. Search: planet 9 roest
@bufferjoetommas
@bufferjoetommas Жыл бұрын
its somehow cute that these warbands choose dance as initiation ritus. half naked men dancing around phalluses reciting poetry. i like how weird the old religion seems to be again abrahamic culture.
@gadpivs
@gadpivs Жыл бұрын
I haven't watched the entire video but the modern concept of dance is very different from the ancient, more tribal concept. The Hakka of New Zealand, Aborigines from Australia, the Masaai of Kenya, and the more war-like furious drumming of Lakota Native Americans is more what we're talking about, not frolicking around like in ballet, leaping about, or boogeying on the dancefloor. This is generally very loud, with very simple, fast-paced rhythms, with loud horns, maybe screaming or roaring, and recitations of inspiring poetry and speeches akin to what you might find in a Pentecostal church.
@LarsPallesen
@LarsPallesen Жыл бұрын
Then again, Abrahamic religions are pretty weird too when you think about it. We've just grown accustomed to the weirdness of those particular religions over the centuries.
@teresa6775
@teresa6775 Жыл бұрын
So, why is Odin and Paganism a "cult", but Jesus and Christianity is not ? Just askin'
@TheRedkast
@TheRedkast Жыл бұрын
This isn’t the modern usage of “cult” with moral undertones, this is the academic usage. And in that context, the various sects of Christianity would be considered “cults”.
@jacobandrews2663
@jacobandrews2663 Жыл бұрын
You are a little confused as to what cult means in this context. Is not the same thing as what everyday Americans think of (the strange often sinister groups surrounding a particular "cult leader"), but instead, it refers to the academic term of groups that devote themselves to particualr figures in community. In this sense, Christianity is indeed a kind of cult.
@lordofdarkness4204
@lordofdarkness4204 Жыл бұрын
@@jacobandrews2663 And to add a little, in academia, a cult is a sort of subdivision with in a religion, rather then a religion in and of itself. So in academia, Germanic paganism is not a cult, but the division that worshipped Odin in particularl above and beyond all other gods would be considered cults. In terms of Christianity, their are many examples of cults within Christianity and their is a very good arguement to be made that in its earliest form Christianity was a cult within Judaism as a whole, but even later in Christian hisotry cults would srpout up, although I cannot name one at this moment.
@jacobandrews2663
@jacobandrews2663 Жыл бұрын
@lordofdarkness4204 Yes, you are correct. However, I mentioned Christianity as a whole because ultimately, regardless of sect, the worship of Jesus Christ specifically, would make any sect fall under the cult category
@ryanlynn146
@ryanlynn146 Жыл бұрын
@@lordofdarkness4204 Like the Roman Catholic Pagan Church? And still is to this day.
@k5167304
@k5167304 Жыл бұрын
Nope
@andreberloth9325
@andreberloth9325 Жыл бұрын
Advertising every 2 minutes?!? Bye!
@___E
@___E Жыл бұрын
First (nobody cares)
@Shourya899
@Shourya899 Жыл бұрын
Yes we don't car about yeshua who is son of prostitute Mary who is aliar in Hebrew we are pagan and proud of our ancient God's of our ancestors
@hermanhale9258
@hermanhale9258 9 ай бұрын
Seemed mostly to be what I learned as a kid. Frenzy, bear-shirts, berserkers.
@dik943
@dik943 Жыл бұрын
I have to note that it's very problematic that the speaker didn't preface this talk by stating that when he is talking about "Germanic" or "Norse" or "Scandinavian" that he's not talking about "white people" or "people" with "blonde hair and blue eyes". Ancient Europe was an extremely diverse place with people from all colors and creeds.
@echoesinthevoid4663
@echoesinthevoid4663 Жыл бұрын
What?
@Brabour
@Brabour Жыл бұрын
​@@echoesinthevoid4663 I think he's trying to be sarcastic. If you look at his comment history you can see some racist undertones.
@echoesinthevoid4663
@echoesinthevoid4663 Жыл бұрын
@@Brabour How can you see someone comment history on youtube?
@LarsPallesen
@LarsPallesen Жыл бұрын
1) This period isn't ancient Europe. It's the middle ages. 2) The colour of these people's skin, hair or eyes is completely irrelevant to any of the things he's talking about. 3) No, the ethnic and religious composition of Scandinavia in this period was not very diverse. It was in fact very homogenous.
@dik943
@dik943 Жыл бұрын
@@LarsPallesen That's a racist lie propagated by fascists, so....
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