HNT Gordon Bench Vise & Tail Vice // OzzyOcker Workbench Build Part 11

[@displaychicken]

Currently working on a bench and I made precisely the same mistake installing the HNT Gordon face vise. I found your video so helpful. Thank you. Cheers from Canada

[@kuffyswoodwork]

It's such a good vice. You're gonna love it.

[@khogg3581]

I’m practically sold on the tail vise for my bench, but I’ve been going back and forth between the HNT Gordon face vise and the Benchcrafted leg vise. This was most informative for me in my decision process. Cheers!

[@kuffyswoodwork]

The tail vice is brilliant. I'm really happy with the HNT front vice. It just works so well. I haven't been using it long now, it has never slipped during the times I have used it. I plan on building another bench sometime this year, definitely will be using another HNT vice for it.

[@displaychicken]

Did you make a decision yet? Im facing the exact same choice right now

[@jeffcoh3440]

Really enjoyed this series of vids, thanks so very much.

[@kuffyswoodwork]

Thanks Jeff, much appreciated 👍

[@paulharriss1192]

I think HNT Gordon makes excellent products, and your choice in the vices show that. A-1 build, could not be a more impressive bench for many years to come. Looking forward to the finishing Thanks Kuffy!!

[@kuffyswoodwork]

Thanks mate. I'm really happy and slightly relieved that the bench did what it was supposed too which is to take the abuse without shifting away from the forces applied.

[@paulharriss1192]

@@kuffyswoodwork Good and Solid built for a tank.

[@nickdarbenzio1681]

Thanks for doing this video! Just built my bench. I’m getting this tail vise Big help! Thanks

[@kuffyswoodwork]

No worries mate. Those HNT tail vices are so good, I now have two 🤣

[@nickdarbenzio1681]

@@kuffyswoodwork how did you space your dog holes? Would you drill holes first like you did? Thanks

[@kuffyswoodwork]

The holes are directly inline with the tailvice along the length of the bench. I have the 100mm version of the HNT tailvice, so i spaced my dogholes to be less than 100mm. It was about 95mm apart. The hole closest to the tailvice was located to be within 95mm of the point where the vice is fully closed. My first doghole is much closer to this because the spacing was specifically worked out to avoid having any holes land on top of the rails beneath the bench top. I think it is MUCH easier to drill the holes first before installing the slabs onto the frame. This allows the use of a drill press, which gives nice plumb holes.

[@nickdarbenzio1681]

@@kuffyswoodwork appreciate it!

[@sumosprojects]

The sound of metal on wood is oh so crisp mate, lovely looking vice & dynamite workbench 💪🇦🇺👍👍👍

[@kuffyswoodwork]

Cheers mate 👍

[@stevecollins9450]

Now those are some solid well built vices, and lucky to have a work bench that equals them in quality, Kuffy.

[@kuffyswoodwork]

Thanks mate. I like em, I like em a lot :D

[@FixitFingers]

What beautiful hardware and series of videos. With that, I am now up-to-date with the Kuffy-san Woodworking Studio... but I think I'll re-watch the final bench compilation again for funsies as that thing is up there with the Ark of the Covenant. So many moments during this build that just made me smile at how satisfying it was coming together and I'm sure I've taken masses of tips away. It will take me a while yet before I'm ready and have the time to get into handtools, but watching this channel has firmly broadened my woodworking horizons. Cheers mate! Looking forward to the "Scorped Stool" 😊

[@kuffyswoodwork]

Thanks mate. I'm still impressed with the HNT Gordon front vice. It holds things so damn well with such little pressure. All other vices I have used have some degree of slippage, but the HNT hasn't slipped once yet

[@DBacaMaker]

That was a real journey you took us on. Thank you!

[@kuffyswoodwork]

Thanks mate. One more video and then this roller coaster pulls back into the station and the fun ends.

[@cobberpete1]

'Your' opinion is the most important!!! It's your bench. BLO the bench??? Great Job Knackers, Oops, wrong Ozzie 😎. Love it :) Unfortunately I have other paying jobs that take priority, so my Roubo is again bottom of the list.

[@kuffyswoodwork]

I'm doing a little more than just BLO. I have several bottles of Minwax Antique Oil purchased super cheap when Masters when out of business. It is terrible stuff but gives a little shine to the base frame.

[@cobberpete1]

@@kuffyswoodwork , Did the same. Just in the past month, I have used the last of three tins I bought at half price. I did like Masters

[@OneManBandWoodworks]

Fantastic again mate, I saw the vase slip under the clamp while you were drilling it. With 6 big screws in it you can just back off the front 2 and put the rear 2 in biased towards the back of the hole so it moves into the right position and then put the middle ones in then drive the front 2 home again. Basically what we do on fitout installs when hardware doesn’t line up the 1st time. Love those HNT Gordon vises, wish Andrew Klein made his twin screw sooner, I kinda regret the Veritas twin screw after seeing his

[@kuffyswoodwork]

Biasing the two back holes is what I did in the end. I kind of half wanted to mess up the installation just to show how easy it is to fix up, because it is quite important that this vice is installed square to the bench top. There really is no racking in the vice, so if the vice isn't square you will be forever applying pressure with only one edge of the vice rather than the full face.

[@OneManBandWoodworks]

Kuffys Woodwork wow yes that would be annoying if it’s not right from the start

[@IrishChippy]

Wow Kuffy. So much done this year. Haven't been on YT for a month. Been doing charity work away from home.

[@kuffyswoodwork]

It's around xmas time that I get a lot of time to myself to work on what ever. The last few years I have spent the time in my workshop making something of significance. This year it was hopefully the greatest bench ever, but I'll be happy if it was just a "pretty good bench" 😂

[@RobRobertson1000]

Fantastic job once again Kuffy

[@kuffyswoodwork]

Thanks mate 👍

[@ureasmith3049]

Thanks for sharing your build mate. Sweet bench.

[@kuffyswoodwork]

Thanks mate 👍

[@davep616]

Thanks for the build Kuffy. Just put some Watco danish oil on it will look beautiful!!!

[@kuffyswoodwork]

Thanks mate. I'm adding a little bit of colour to the bench, but most of it will be given a slap dash coat of Minwax Antique Oil because I have 3 bottles of the stuff purchased cheaply a year or two ago.

[@djeity]

@@kuffyswoodwork Yeah the shutdown of Masters sure was a bonanza for getting finishes cheaply. (And fasteners.)

[@athmostafa2462]

Wow , nice work 😊 .

[@kuffyswoodwork]

Thanks mate 👍

[@matthewphillips1728]

Awesome stuff mate “an I like it a lot” One suggestion while watching you struggle to line the 10 mm face vice holes up for drilling. I thought what if you ran a 10 mm bit in the holes backwards for just a bit, creating a shallow centred divide thingy, to guide your smaller drill bit?? Cheers Matt.

[@kuffyswoodwork]

Yeah, using a 10mm bit has been suggested. It's such a facepalm moment. Ah well, it's all good now, and also showed the simple no stress process of how to fix it.

[@mykolayashchenko5474]

Расскажите о конструктивном строении тисков🙏, очень интересно! Спасибо

[@djeity]

Loving the build so far mate! Vic Ash is a bastard for splintering, isn't it? Regarding your drilling of the vice holes, perhaps a more accurate approach would be to use a 10mm drill as a transfer punch, move the hole a touch using your awl, and then drill. This would allow you to pretty much guarantee no twist in your mounting rather than just eyeballing it. As for finish, given what you said, perhaps consider some brown or black Japan.

[@kuffyswoodwork]

I didn't consider doing what I often do to find the center of a hole by using drill bits as a transfer punch, doh!. I was just messing around when I spoke of painting it brown. I said it with such a straight face that I included it in the video 😂

[@djeity]

@@kuffyswoodwork Paint it chroma-key green, you can put landscapes and other fun stuff on the bench in post. :D

[@kuffyswoodwork]

@@djeity Lol, the possibilities :D

[@raybrown1779]

The delivery address for the bench is...... if only....... but you have inspired me to start mine that I have promised myself for more years than I care to admit to. I rate this on a scale of 1 to 10 a 20

[@kuffyswoodwork]

Thanks mate 👍. It took me 20 years to build this one. After the first swipe of the plane, even with a dull blade, I knew I've just been pissing around for 20 years!. Now the real woodwork can begin 😂

[@kuffyswoodwork]

@@ohasis8331 It's like going to the dentist. It's really not that bad, maybe a bit of a sting from the needle, and yet we still delay the visit for far to long :D

[@tims.2832]

Does anyone know, if its possible to dissassemble the knob on the rear? The video shows at one point a tiny hole at the end of the the vise´s body. Is it to reach some kind of screw that locks the knob to the shaft? The reason is, I would need to make the the knob detachable, otherwise it would obstruct clamping workpieces on the right side of my (mft-)bench. Thx

[@grahamparsons6620]

What a fantastic build series once again, it's becoming prime time viewing over xmas period, it will take something pretty special to beat that next xmas. Is there any special reason you want to colour the top ? Looking forward to seeing it completed 👍👍👍👍

[@kuffyswoodwork]

I said I would colour the top to be brown or black in the video, and since I kept a straight face I decided to include it in the video. I did have plans of staining the top a lighter unnatural colour, but I figured it'll just be more work each time I want to flatten the top. I wanted the top a different colour because the bench is Tassie Oak and I often work with Tassie Oak, so I wanted the contrast for video.

[@tonyfrankcom7524]

Nice one very impressive I do like your vice . They made it with six holes . Would you short change the bolts on your car wheels? A life time in mechanical engineering says fill up all holes. Great build congratulations.look forward to more of your work. Just looked at the price here in the UK. £460 .will stick with my Stanley six inch engineers vice with soft jaws.

[@kuffyswoodwork]

Uhm...yeah....I would short change the bolts on my car wheels, and I think I actually have at one point. I do plan on adding the 5th and 6th bolt once I am committed to the position of the vice. I have had to take the vice off since this video to finish off some of the woodwork. The 5th and 6th bolt will be installed and tightened once only, which is a good thing when working with timbers.

[@iancraigen]

I like it

[@kuffyswoodwork]

Me too 👍😂

[@patkeefe5834]

I had to drool over the HNT Gordon site. Good looking bench. Do you need to secure the top to the base or is weight enough?

[@kuffyswoodwork]

At the end of this video, I am making a few shavings and the bench isn't bolted down. I could leave it like that, but it probably would bounce occasionally when using a chisel and mallet. It's heavy, but it still can bounce/vibrate a little. A few coach bolts through the apron and she'll be right as rain.

[@TakamiWoodshop]

"I like it, I like it a lot". Me too mate - it's 💯 mint. I'm on the HNT website now - oh la la, beautiful. I have to admit I was cringing when you freehand drilled those holes and then ... lo and behold. I was fully expecting you to use the drill press. Pity there isn't really such a thing as a mag drill for woodworking apart from those cheap adapter thingys. Drilling holes is one of the most buggy processes in woodworking in my opinion. Have to admit (again) I was surprised to hear that you're going to colour the wood. When did you say you were going to KZbin that? Have to admint #3 - I feel like I've made this thing myself - that's how intimate (giggle) your videos are. (yeah I know I spelt it "admint" the last time. I actually spelt it that way all three times but I got sick of correcting it). You back at work?

[@kuffyswoodwork]

I've always hated having to drill accurate holes either freehand or even with a drill press. I have some control over the entry point of the drill, but only God knows what the drill does as it burys itself into the timber. "when did I say I was going to youtube that?" I'm not quite sure what you are asking, when am I going to release the final compilation video? Probably in about 3 weeks from now...if it is done! Yeah I am back at work, and it is only slightly south of 1million degrees celcius!

[@TakamiWoodshop]

@@kuffyswoodwork Yep that's what I meant- about the last vid in the series. 3 weeks - cool.. Yeah mate - been seeing the crazy temps over there. This aussie car channel I watch - their car was showing 50 degrees on the car thermometer. I feel buggered doing anything at around 30. 🔥😢

[@kuffyswoodwork]

@@TakamiWoodshop Lol, it was 40° today and we worked overtime!

[@TakamiWoodshop]

@@kuffyswoodwork oh gawd!

[@farmcat3198]

You have a pretty thorough review of the bench vise, do you have one for the tail vise?

[@kuffyswoodwork]

I haven't done a review on the tail vice. I think the best review I can give is my second bench also uses a 100mm stroke HNT Gordon tail vice. I haven't uploaded the videos for the second bench yet.

[@farmcat3198]

@@kuffyswoodwork Okay. Any thoughts on the 100mm stroke vs. the 150 mm stroke?

[@kuffyswoodwork]

@@farmcat3198 The 100mm is better in my opinion. It takes less time to wind out the full 100mm if needed compared to winding out a full 150mm. It also uses less space on the right hand side of the bench (for right handed people), and therefore you end up with greater clamping capacity on the same bench compared with the 150mm version.

[@farmcat3198]

@@kuffyswoodwork That's good to know. Thank you!

[@farmcat3198]

HNT now makes a wide jaw (340 mm) face vise. Any opinions on using that when compared to the standard 230 mm version?

[@jeffcoh3440]

Kuffy, I am going to buy your plans. Really like your design. I do bowever have a question, do you see any issues with me making the less at 90 degrees rather than splayed? Regards, Jeff

[@kuffyswoodwork]

You can make the legs at 90° instead of splayed. It makes the build slightly easier, but you also lose some rigidity in the frame when planing boards along the length of the bench. It's much the same if you are standing straight upright, and I push you. You're going to fall over, but if you brace yourself with one leg behind you, you'll be able to take the impact and probably punch me for pushing you :D

[@jeffcoh3440]

@@kuffyswoodwork Thank you so very much for responding. I do understand now, and think I will go with your original plan with the legs splayed. I’m a bit of a new to woodworking so wish me luck please. Once again regards and thanks

[@kuffyswoodwork]

If you need any help along the way, don't be shy to ask.

[@jeffcoh3440]

@@kuffyswoodwork just downloaded them👍

[@kuffyswoodwork]

@@jeffcoh3440 Thanks mate

[@vulcanville]

Nice work! How did you get the top of that vice to line up with the top of the vice-- or does it?

[@kuffyswoodwork]

The top of the vice is 2mm below the top of the bench. I designed it this way with a 75mm thick top while the vice rises 73mm.

[@mattier3030]

I think your splitting timber because your holding the router backwards.

[@kuffyswoodwork]

Nah, the timber splitting is a product of the grain direction as well as the rotation of the router bit. You can't really hold my router backwards because the handles are tilted forward. It's very uncomfortable to hold it backwards.

[@Frigorific12]

I like your channel. Like 107 Natalie.

[@kuffyswoodwork]

Thanks 👍