My girlfriend watches Loki for the FIRST time (Part 1/3) || MCU Phase 4

[@GenerationWest]

Think of it as this: Imagine there are alternate variants of you out there, every choice you made, they made the opposite, so they like you but can be completely different in personality, with slight different physical changes. Now what if there's a universe where you were born a different race, gender, species because other choices were changed in that universe, something was changed millions of years ago, and evolution took it's course there. That's how you get wildly different varieties of the same person. Also, the entire point of the Infinity Stones being powerless establishes that magic and grander cosmic power has no effect in the TVA, (In the comics, and established here, the stones have no power outside their own universe). Anywhere else, absolutely, but they're beyond that. Plus, it established that we're done with them in a story telling way. It took so long for some people to get that, hell, some still don't.

[@princekurtmontales2252]

UP

[@joshhill212]

Yeah, No offense to Holden, but he really didn't explain it well. Think of it like from the beginning of time there are these variant branching timelines breaking off creating new time lines/universes. So maybe you go back far enough & instead of evolving from apes, something happened that made rabbits the dominant species on the planet & rabbits built a society instead of people. You just have these rabbit humanoids going about their day-to-day lives in a society living on the planet instead of people. Maybe if you go back a little bit before lady Loki's birth, her frost giant parents or her frost giant grandparents (I'm Not Entirely Sure How Frost Giant Reproduction Works) got busy ("Had Adult Relations") on a different day for whatever reason & then they ended up having a girl instead of a boy. Or maybe for whatever reason before lady Loki's birth, her frostgiant parents or grandparents or great grandparents or however far down-the-line hooked up with a different frostgiant. Leading to one variable in the genes passed down that that ended up creating a female Loki instead of a male Loki. It could be those complex examples, or could be something as simple as I decided to wear a red shirt instead of a blue shirt today, & it created a completely different branched timeline/universe. Just all of the different variables that could ever happen in all of time have happened at one point or another creating these branching time lines/universes. An infinite number of different possibilities (The Multiverse). Other than that one small nitpick, I really enjoyed their video though!

[@djcantskate3883]

What if I don’t want to think of it as that

[@luckystallone4194]

Just wish they would of thought to make Loki blue (his natural color) in the TVA since his magic doesn't work there.

[@joshhill212]

@@luckystallone4194 Oh shit, I didn't think about that! Do you think maybe Loki's natural skin has changed over time for any reason? We need to come up with a head canon that fixes this potential plot hole! lol

[@samosanathan8610]

These intros are SICK

[@DMFX1]

Thanks buddy! I put a lot into this one lol.

[@RetroLiminal99444]

Damn it. I was gonna say that. But I agree 💯 percent.

[@emosam07]

Seriously though

[@Flakecorns796]

@@DMFX1 amazing job sir, i touched upon blender one day, definitely not made for me, this must’ve been lots of struggles

[@werdle92]

They seem pretty healthy to me

[@taylorblue711]

Jen: “I love Loki!” Also Jen: *wears a shirt of the man that killed him*

[@trigunadithya1718]

Damnnnn😂😂

[@jameslabastille3988]

Lol

[@knuckles_812]

Exactly the comment I came here for!

[@PaulBurg]

"I love Jesus" Wears a miniature replica of the structure he was tortured to death on.

[@eli_james_al8245]

@@PaulBurg Yes but, the cross symbolizes his sacrifice for us

[@zedrow69]

Jen - "I don't understand what a variant is. Can you explain it to me?" Holden - "It's a variant."

[@darcenex14]

😂

[@cdogg46]

lol

[@The_RedVIII]

Every Loki is their own person. They are all different from different realities, but they have the same kind of role and similar character traits. It’s easier understandable to say other realities, not timelines. But Sylvie is definitely a different character, she is not just a copy of Loki, but she was supposed to have the same role in her original timeline.

[@invictafilms2690]

If the sacred timeline stuff is true, then there are no different realities. So that’s the confusing part of this show. It seems as though there’s is only one universe at the moment. So it’s unclear how all the versions of Loki look different. Like the one universe theory has to be true or the ending doesn’t make sense.

[@makon89]

I don't know they've already watched this but maybe we should spoil names etc in case they read the comments before she's caught up or finished the series.

[@housebased7]

@@invictafilms2690 no, there’s multiple universes but one time line (the sacred timeline) each universe follows the sacred timeline

[@invictafilms2690]

@@housebased7 that makes more sense. SPOILERS: So when the timeline goes bezerk at the end, that is not the “multiverse of madness.” It’s just the branching timeline of my main MCU universe.

[@davidashton3671]

@@invictafilms2690 My personal headcanon is that a branching timeline remains as just a timeline until it crossed the threshold, in which case it became another universe of its own.

[@iamadamsusername]

"I don't understand how Loki can be other people" Oh. Oh, hunny...

[@Grasfh]

Oh lord we’re doomed

[@Chuck_EL]

@@Grasfh the god of mischief

[@longmatey80]

Somewhere in the universe: A variant of Jen is teaching "Fish Identification 101" within the TVA. The course is called "You Betcha That's a Fish 101".

[@evan191919]

Good joke. Poor delivery

[@IkeThe9th]

Ha! That was pretty funny. Fish ID.

[@Retailman100]

Unfortunately, Casey missed attending these

[@loganmatthews5956]

I wanna see the variant that is showing these movies to the Holden variant that hasn't seen them

[@EternalDensity]

A Fish Called Wanda.

[@Jbluez1]

Holden is confusing Jen by contradicting the show and it is frustrating me 😂 All the Loki variants they have encountered were pruned, they literally said so in the show you just watched. There are from variant timelines in which Loki was born that way. And they aren’t “bad necessarily” but from the timekeepers perspective, yes they are, because they are different from the sacred timeline.

[@GuilhermeLima-bf1dl]

I think Holden didn't do that great of a job explaining the variants so here is my take: At this point, there is only one timeline (the sacred timeline) and when anyone does anything that is not supposed to happen in that timeline (named a nexus event), that creates a new branched timeline. That person becomes a variant and the TVA hunts them down, prone the variant and destroys the branched timeline.

[@asherinka]

Not quite. There is one Sacred Timeline (order of events) , but many realities that always existed and all follow this Timeline. If one of the realities veers off from the script and thus a new timeline gets created, it gets pruned. All other realities coexist like a rope with many threads, with minor changes like race, sex or gender of variants allowed. For more details, read Michael Waldron's (head writer) recent interview, he explained it all in great detail.

[@joshhill212]

Yeah I agree, No offense to Holden, but unfortunately he really didn't explain this well. Think of it like from the beginning of time there are these variant branching timelines breaking off creating new time lines/universes. So maybe you go back far enough & instead of evolving from apes, something happened that made rabbits the dominant species on the planet & rabbits built a society instead of people. You just have these rabbit humanoids going about their day-to-day lives in a society living on the planet instead of people. Maybe if you go back a little bit before lady Loki's birth, her frost giant parents or her frost giant grandparents (I'm Not Entirely Sure How Frost Giant Reproduction Works) got busy ("Had Adult Relations") on a different day for whatever reason & then they ended up having a girl instead of a boy. Or maybe for whatever reason before lady Loki's birth, her frostgiant parents or grandparents or great grandparents or however far down-the-line hooked up with a different person. Leading to one variable in the genes passed down that that ended up creating a female Loki instead of a male Loki. It could be those complex examples, or could be something as simple as I decided to wear a red shirt instead of a blue shirt today, & it created a completely different branched timeline/universe. Just all of the different variables that could ever happen in all of time have happened at one point or another creating these branching time lines/universes. An infinite number of different possibilities (The Multiverse). Other than that one's small nitpick, I really enjoyed their video though!

[@Eidlones]

I mean... one of his explanations of variant Lokis was "It's still Loki, but a variant"

[@GuilhermeLima-bf1dl]

@@asherinka True, thanks for the clarification

[@matthewriley2178]

The infinity stones being "worthless" at the TVA really shouldn't trip you up at all. In the comics the stone's power is tied to the universe it originates from and is powerless in another universe/timeline. So it being powerless in the TVA is actually very much comic accurate

[@danielsimard6506]

Thanks for the explanation! I was wondering why.

[@619to974]

In Endgame the plan is to take the stones from another universe to use them in the main one. Wouldn't it be an useless plan to execute with that logic ? My interpretation was that the Stones DO work in other universes but since the TVA is placed in an "out-of-time" region it not only allows them to access every timelines but also none of Loki's power or the Stones work.

[@eyeyamjstn628]

@@619to974 from what I understand is that the avengers took the stones from their past (same timeline) after using them they returned it to erase any nexus events thus remaining undetected from the tva. They destroyed the nexus event by themselves so nothing that’s why it’s not detected.

[@emperorofdance655]

I agree that the stones probably work in other universes and timelines, it’s just that the TVA completely cancels out magic and the stones powers within them. Plus, in the first Doctor Strange, the Ancient One talks as if the Dark Dimension is a separate universe, yet Strange successfully uses the time stone there. In my opinion, and since Marvel Studios has not actually said otherwise, unlike the comics, the stones do work in other universes, just the TVA was resistant to all magic

[@ItzMeWill]

@@emperorofdance655 the infinity stones aren't magic though. It's powers are more science. Each being a different aspect of the universe itself. Thats why they only work in its own universe.. To call it magic would be like calling a black hole, magic..so the runes used in Wandavision wouldn't do anything to the stones

[@patrickcromwell7554]

Jen, these shows are a full part of the MCU. Whatever happens in the shows WILL affect the movies to come. They aren't separate at all. Unlike agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. where the cast was still MCU but none from the movies and so their impact was minimal, THESE shows focus on The Avengers when they aren't Assembled. It's their "off screen" evolution, so to speak. But they are by no means separate from the MCU.

[@The2ndQuest]

Well, if you want to get technical, there are about 12-14 (maybe more, it's been awhile since i last counted) MCU characters from the movies that appear on Agents of SHIELD and Agent Carter. It's just that only about a half of them are notable supporting film characters (with the rest being minor) and none of them on the prominence level of an Avenger.

[@davidashton3671]

@@The2ndQuest It's a damn shame that almost nothing in AOS and Netflix Marvel has any impact on the movies.

[@The2ndQuest]

@@davidashton3671 Yeah, the most impactful was towards the end of Season 2 when it tied into Ultron. And maybe later seasons showing the end of HYDRA (at least the initial heads- as we know, two more always grow back). That said, they still did a great job of depicting the aftermath of the movies and bridging the gaps (for the most part, it's less so towards the end of the show). The movies were kind of like the big event crossover miniseries and SHIELD was like the regular issues taking place in between. The miniseries don't really reference the monthly storylines but the monthly issues will pause their storyline to deal with the miniseries crossover events before resuming.

[@patrickcromwell7554]

@@The2ndQuest That doesn't change the fact that it's still 100% MCU. The shows aren't a side project. They're Phase 4. so NOT separate.

[@sharp9150]

she knows that, im pretty sure she means it seems enclosed in its own thing.

[@sonalchd]

Jen describing Casey what's a fish. Jen: Every alien character is a FISH 😅😅

[@jed1mstr]

Best way to explain Variants is to use the words "What If..." What if Loki was born a female instead of a male. What if the dominant species of Midgard and Asgard weren't humanoid in form and instead another species. What if reality was more like a comic or cartoon and you had an animated pig become Spider-Ham instead of a human become Spider-Man. It's a Multiverse of Realities AND Timelines where every decision and event has a potential to change the direction of that Reality. Not all realities compete with the Sacred Timeline's end goals, which is why some Variation isn't pruned. Once there's something that competes with those end goals, you get a Nexus Event away from the Sacred Timeline/Reality which is where the TVA comes in.

[@Dead25m]

What if this comment was never made, leaving Jen and others possible not knowing what "Variants" are. Thanks for being a part of this timeline

[@angelomendoza6666]

@Yi Feng Song what if it never comes out? 😭

[@shanustheanus]

What if it has also been explained that only one timeline (the sacred timeline) could exist at any one time to prevent a multiversal war? What if that flys in the face of caps second life with Peggy? What if the TVA aren't as powerful as they're making out? What if there's more deception going on here than meets the eye? What if kang has already won and all of this is merely a sherade to distract from the truth? What if we really have no correct answer yet as to what is happening and how this all works?

[@joshhill212]

Yeah, No offense to Holden, but unfortunately he really didn't explain this well. Think of it like from the beginning of time there are these variant branching timelines breaking off creating new time lines/universes. So maybe you go back far enough & instead of evolving from apes, something happened that made rabbits the dominant species on the planet & rabbits built a society instead of people. You just have these rabbit humanoids going about their day-to-day lives in a society living on the planet instead of people. Maybe if you go back a little bit before lady Loki's birth, her frost giant parents or her frost giant grandparents (I'm Not Entirely Sure How Frost Giant Reproduction Works) got busy ("Had Adult Relations") on a different day for whatever reason & then they ended up having a girl instead of a boy. Or maybe for whatever reason before lady Loki's birth, her frostgiant parents or grandparents or great grandparents or however far down-the-line hooked up with a different person. Leading to one variable in the genes passed down that that ended up creating a female Loki instead of a male Loki. It could be those complex examples, or could be something as simple as I decided to wear a red shirt instead of a blue shirt today, & it created a completely different branched timeline/universe. Just all of the different variables that could ever happen in all of time have happened at one point or another creating these branching time lines/universes. An infinite number of different possibilities (The Multiverse). Other than that one's small nitpick, I really enjoyed their video though!

[@angelomendoza6666]

@@joshhill212 There are also some times where small changes can remain as they are, as long as that change doesn’t affect anything else. Best example is Classic Loki. He survived many years after his supposed “death” by self-isolating in an empty planet, but as soon as he decided to venture out and affect other things, the TVA caught him.

[@johnelmartagbago3764]

*This is the easiest way to understand this Variant Timelines Situation:* - There are multiple realities - Each realities have physical distinctions - But all of these realities follow the same plot/story (The Sacred Timeline) For example: Classic Loki is from a reality where Marvel characters wear their goofy/cartoonic comic accurate costumes. It is okay for a reality to be different appearance-wise, but they shouldn't deviate from the intended storyline set by the Timekeepers (You know who). The events they have should be all similar.

[@julieguenther901]

bro way too many spoilers in this comment

[@johnelmartagbago3764]

@@julieguenther901 The only thing I gave away is Classic Loki actually, which Im pretty sure is already an Internet meme/trend, so this spoiler is very small in comparison with the rest of the things to come. Plus, most people who watches this reaction has already seen it.

[@tanmaysharma9301]

Dude you explained it so amazingly. Whaow!!

[@tanmaysharma9301]

@@johnelmartagbago3764 They have probably seen the whole thing by now.

[@julieguenther901]

@@tanmaysharma9301 oh yeah forgot they watch them a lot in advance

[@carlmccartney1025]

The main sacred timeline is written so when someone veers off that path it creates a branch timeline (alternate universe) and they take the variant (doppleganger) back to the tva and destroy that branched timeline, so they have no timeline to go back to

[@adambrown3918]

Don't give it away. She'll figure it out. LOL!

[@nerevarchthn6860]

*Doppelgänger

[@jonhassinger504]

Openings have been awesome, lately. Skillshare at work!

[@joshhill212]

Yeah, No offense to Holden, but unfortunately he really didn't explain this well. Think of it like from the beginning of time there are these variant branching timelines breaking off creating new time lines/universes. So maybe you go back far enough & instead of evolving from apes, something happened that made rabbits the dominant species on the planet & rabbits built a society instead of people. You just have these rabbit humanoids going about their day-to-day lives in a society living on the planet instead of people. Maybe if you go back a little bit before lady Loki's birth, her frost giant parents or her frost giant grandparents (I'm Not Entirely Sure How Frost Giant Reproduction Works) got busy ("Had Adult Relations") on a different day for whatever reason & then they ended up having a girl instead of a boy. Or maybe for whatever reason before lady Loki's birth, her frostgiant parents or grandparents or great grandparents or however far down-the-line hooked up with a different person. Leading to one variable in the genes passed down that that ended up creating a female Loki instead of a male Loki. It could be those complex examples, or could be something as simple as I decided to wear a red shirt instead of a blue shirt today, & it created a completely different branched timeline/universe. Just all of the different variables that could ever happen in all of time have happened at one point or another creating these branching time lines/universes. An infinite number of different possibilities (The Multiverse). Other than that one's small nitpick, I really enjoyed their video though!

[@LtksK]

That still doesn't really make sense. If there would exist multiple timelines, it would absolutely make sense for all being different (some more, some less). But as we know there is just one timeline, the sacred one and every variant is a branch sourcing from that one timeline. So every variant is equal to the original until the branching of takes place, like our protagonist Loki. Due to having a different life from that point on, changes will occure, but the source is the same. Now to have a different sex you would've to branch out during or before your parents procreate. To have different parents, as we will find out later in the show, the branching must happen even earlier. With that in mind, for a variant to be grown up and be looking completely different (or even being of another heritage), there has to be a branch that exists for years before being fixed (just imagine how far back such branching must have happened for an alligator Loki to exist), which would lead to variants of all people existing in that branch, not just a single person. So the complete different variants only make sense when multiple timelines exist, but as we know that's not the case. We could argue they are leftovers from when there were multiple timelines and were living in the sacred timelines since the other timelines were eradicated, but then Loki would have met Sylvie back when they were kids, since both grew up in Asgard.

[@DHMyers1994]

The simplest way to think about the variants I think is like a chessboard. You have black pieces and white pieces all playing out the game. But if white’s rook was from a different set or was painted yellow or red it would be a variant. It’s still a rook though, it can move like the rook can, follows all the same rules of the chess game but it is the rook just a bit different.

[@MrGeoff-iv6re]

Great explanation!

[@Spooky1611]

Multiple timelines, Multiple Universes, Who knows if you had a baby in another universe it would end up being a boy instead of a girl, vice versa. Who knows you walked on a street with a car passing by hitting you to death in this world but in another universe your alarm didn't work that day so you missed that specific point and kept on living. With that said, at this point the time keepers obviously try to keep it one timeline, one universe, one set of people. PRUNE THOSE VARIANTS!!!!!

[@tanmaysharma9301]

You got one thing wrong. There can be multiple universes in one timeline.

[@Prkwon]

I never had s much headache from a tv show...is it one timeline branching out or like the show says started with multiple ones into one "sacred timeline"? Because if it started with one source it does not make sense to have a female variant. I dont know my brain is worn out...so many damn questions

[@tanmaysharma9301]

​@@Prkwon I know right. But I have a simple theory that helps me feel I get it. The 'Sacred Timeline' is like a rope and just like a rope has a lot of threads similarly the 'Sacred Timeline' too has a lot of realities (threads) which run parallel to each other without disturbing each other. In each reality there are different versions of every person who can be different in many ways like appearance, abilities etc. but they all have to follow the same story in their life which is written by He Who Remains. In case of Lokis they are all supposed to be wicked tricksters, destined to be alone who as Mobius mentioned, themselves are evil but they exist to bring out the best in other people(like Avengers). And in the end they are all supposed to die at the hands of Thanos. And if anyone does anything different than this pre-destined path they are pruned by the TVA.( like kid Loki killing Thor, in case of Sylvie, maybe showing signs of not being evil and maybe wanting to become a Valkyrie as she was playing with a Valkyrie figure, though not yet explained) Now because He Who Remains is dead so people can do things whichever way they want and no one is there to prune them which gives us the multiverse.

[@asherinka]

@@Prkwon The writers explained that the Sacred Timeline is like a script. There are many universes with minor differences that all follow the same script. Well, until (spoilers). In each of those universes, a character (say, Loki) can have different appearance, race, gender, sex, but as long as they all follow the same story they are not pruned. You can find the interview if you search for something like "Michael waldron Screencrush Loki variants", it is really helpful. You can think of it in terms of casting a character for a tv show with open sex and etnicity (because the script does not specify them) , but applied in-universe.

[@joshhill212]

Yeah, No offense to Holden, but he really didn't explain it well. Think of it like from the beginning of time there are these variant branching timelines breaking off creating new time lines/universes. So maybe you go back far enough & instead of evolving from apes, something happened that made rabbits the dominant species on the planet & rabbits built a society instead of people. You just have these rabbit humanoids going about their day-to-day lives in a society living on the planet instead of people. Maybe if you go back a little bit before lady Loki's birth, her frost giant parents or her frost giant grandparents (I'm Not Entirely Sure How Frost Giant Reproduction Works) got busy ("Had Adult Relations") on a different day for whatever reason & then they ended up having a girl instead of a boy. Or maybe for whatever reason before lady Loki's birth, her frostgiant parents or grandparents or great grandparents or however far down-the-line hooked up with a different person. Leading to one variable in the genes passed down that that ended up creating a female Loki instead of a male Loki. It could be those complex examples, or could be something as simple as I decided to wear a red shirt instead of a blue shirt today, & it created a completely different branched timeline/universe. Just all of the different variables that could ever happen in all of time have happened at one point or another creating these branching time lines/universes. An infinite number of different possibilities (The Multiverse). Other than that one's small nitpick, I really enjoyed their video though!

[@Web-Slinger42]

Holden during TFATWS: "Not my Cap, You'll never replace Steve" Jen: "Awww, look at little Holden Jr, Gonna cry?"

[@ivanagustinortiz5237]

Gotta love the Raimi reference

[@rapolasra934]

Jen was also like Holden

[@LeeCarlson]

The actor who plays Loki is Tom Hiddleston who has been living with this character for the past decade, so both Owen Wilson, and Sofia di Martino (who plays "the Variant") were constantly going to him for more insight into the character and how they would interact as the story unfolds.

[@keironlaer]

I just noticed the foreshadowing in this episode when Loki says: "For nearly every living thing, choice breeds shame and uncertainty and regret. There's a fork in every road, yet the wrong path always taken"

[@anoven7008]

Jen literally explains what a variant is but still doesn’t understand and think variants are Lokis taking over bodies

[@nicknangle2161]

Kinda dumb ngl

[@raulh5457]

@@nicknangle2161 fr

[@punkem733]

@Reece Selby SURPRISE!!!

[@andrewp.stewart4585]

Love how Jen is wearing a Thanos T-Shirt. That means she’s really invested in the MCU now as much as us fans are.

[@Tony-ui7tr]

Holden nailed that Owen Wilson impression. 👏

[@Glowstick48]

Owen Wilson absolutely crushed the role of Mobius in this and earned a whole new respect from me for his actually acting ability

[@evanrainey5125]

Wow

[@PatLund]

It's interesting that she finds the idea of variants confusing. I felt like it was explained pretty well.

[@spencerberk684]

It feels like literally a month ago Jen was watching WandaVision with 0 context and now she’s almost caught all the way up 👏🏻 love to see it

[@littlesparrow303]

Buy the time they finish this series. The What If Series will be airing weekly

[@juliant]

what helped a lot of people wrap their heads around this was all the discussions that took place after every episode. Jen misses out on that, so Holden, it's really up to you to help her understand what's happening.... and if you can't. have her watch the New rockstars breakdown videos or even screen crush, he explains it really well too.

[@EddieUsername]

Orrrr she could just watch the show??? I think the show does a good enough job of explaining everything we need to know so I don't see why you'd need a detailed analysis after every episode lol. If you're someone who wants to catch every tiny comic reference and everything than sure, but she's definitely not doing that. A huge aspect of the show was keeping everyone guessing and sort of the mystery behind it, so the showrunners kind of want you to feel, lost in a sense. That's Loki's perspective, he's just as lost and confused as we are.

[@juliant]

@@EddieUsername the questions she was asking were not ones the show will answer. Example, she was really thrown off by the Sylvie/loki thing. The show doesn't explain any more than, this is the female version of Loki. She won't get that they have taken bits of enchantress to create this character. So yhh, back to my original comment.

[@Ceej87109]

The "Sacred Timeline" is more of like a friendship bracelet...multiple cords intertwined in a multiverse that doesn't intersect and remains a single outcome. So variant of people can be completely different in THEIR timeline. The branches are frayed ends that have different outcomes, they get pruned. This concept given to me by the New Rockstar's breakdown.

[@Davidsalesbohrer]

Yes, this is it. As long as the players play their part, they could be whatever species, gender, race they are. If he is a troll loki but it's a bad loki his story will have the same outcome. That's why Sylvie was snatched, she was getting on the heroic side of things too early.

[@tykroner1133]

How you ended the video is what I would’ve started with to try to explain the variant situation: there’s an (in theory) infinite amount of universes (aka multiverse), and there’s a version of you in every multiverse. Also I had to try to explain the variant scenario to a friend who also struggled to understand it at first, so this this how I got them to understand. There’s an infinite amount of Forest Gump movies playing. In each movie, there are the same roles. Someone is Forest Gump, someone is Jenny, someone is Forest’s mother, etc etc. Each role HAS to be played. The actor playing that role could look like Tom Hanks, or they could look like someone else, regardless, it’s still Forest Gump. So for the MCU, there are an infinite amount of Loki’s, regardless of what they look like, they’re playing the Loki role, just like in a movie. As dumb as this explanation sounds, it helped my friend who was struggling 😂😂😂 all love! ❤️

[@Mattimerson]

This is a brilliant explanation

[@tykroner1133]

@@Mattimerson haha thanks, my friends favorite movie is Forest Gump so that’s why I used that as the example 😂

[@chrisrw453]

Wow this is pretty good actually

[@asherinka]

Waldron (the head writer for the show and for Doctor Strange 2) gave a great explanation of how it all works. Basically, the Multiverse always existed, the TVA only prunes branches ("realities", "universes") where (someone, spoilers for ep6) is born. All the rest are allowed to coexist like threads of a rope as long as they roughly follow the same story (called The Sacred Timeline). So the Sacred Timeline is a synonym for "the script". In those universes, minor changes are allowed, hence Variants exist and are not pruned as long as their race, sex, gender etc does not affect the big story. I highly recommend that interview because the same logic will apply to any next mcu project.

[@travismlamb]

What makes all of the variants the same is there essence, their soul and space in time. That’s what makes you, you. and no matter what decisions you make or what path you take, even if it effects you physically or mentally , your still at your core the same being.

[@joshhill212]

Yeah, No offense to Holden, but unfortunately he really didn't explain this well. Think of it like from the beginning of time there are these variant branching timelines breaking off creating new time lines/universes. So maybe you go back far enough & instead of evolving from apes, something happened that made rabbits the dominant species on the planet & rabbits built a society instead of people. You just have these rabbit humanoids going about their day-to-day lives in a society living on the planet instead of people. Maybe if you go back a little bit before lady Loki's birth, her frost giant parents or her frost giant grandparents (I'm Not Entirely Sure How Frost Giant Reproduction Works) got busy ("Had Adult Relations") on a different day for whatever reason & then they ended up having a girl instead of a boy. Or maybe for whatever reason before lady Loki's birth, her frostgiant parents or grandparents or great grandparents or however far down-the-line hooked up with a different person. Leading to one variable in the genes passed down that that ended up creating a female Loki instead of a male Loki. It could be those complex examples, or could be something as simple as I decided to wear a red shirt instead of a blue shirt today, & it created a completely different branched timeline/universe. Just all of the different variables that could ever happen in all of time have happened at one point or another creating these branching time lines/universes. An infinite number of different possibilities (The Multiverse). Other than that one's small nitpick, I really enjoyed their video though!

[@SurrealNirvana]

It'll be interesting to see how "Girlfriend" feels about variants going forward. Understanding it is the same Loki, just incarnated in another form on that timeline, is going to be pretty important going forward into the "What If" series.

[@EclipseEH]

Kacey: “What’s a fish” Jen: “Just those things from Star Wars”

[@akshaykarthick7822]

DEVIN ! What the hell man ! These intros and extra edits are outta this world !

[@miggywiggy135]

"i'm Holden" made me burst out into laughter lol

[@thesenate9455]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[@reesielovesyou]

Jen loves Loki so much that she wearing a shirt of the guy who killed him 🤣🤣 lol love this and so happy to see this series continue!

[@jonroberts5239]

It seemed like Jen was confused by the people who WERE actually being possessed/controlled by female Loki before her reveal. Those aren't Loki's, you're right about them being other people. The other Loki variants had other small changes in their respective timelines which changed how their stories played out. The difference is that female Loki was actually born that way in her timeline, in place of male Loki, that was the change for that timeline.

[@MrGeoff-iv6re]

Yeah, I wish Holden would have clarified that for her. I could tell that’s what Jen was getting hung up on.

[@design1of470]

I'm glad you two are doing the shows as well. Good stuff.

[@BigScreenMovies]

*Video Spoiler* *Jen's MCU Reviews/Rankings:* *Loki:* Liking it so far. A slow burner. Confused about variants. Nice to see Loki on a leash. Hoping they explain eveything a bit better. Tom Hiddleston is so good. Unique story. Excited to see where it goes from here. *(Not Rated)* *My Opinion:* Seems to be a common theme among these shows so far, IMO they all have had great ideas and themes, but just not used or explored to maximum effect. That being said, the show has grown on me and I think it's probably my favourite so far. I do not care for Sylvie at all. Mobius, *** Loki and ********* Loki are the highlights for me. *7/10* *Jen's Rankings:* • Avengers: Endgame *10/10* • Avengers: Infinity War *10/10* • Black Panther *9.5/10* • Captain America: Civil War *9/10* • Thor: Ragnarok *9/10* • The Avengers *8.5/10* • Iron Man 3 *8.5/10* • Thor: The Dark World *8.5/10* • Captain America: The Winter Soldier *8.5/10* • Ant-man *8.5/10* • Thor *8.5/10* • Black Widow *8.5/10* • The Falcon and the Winter Soldier *8.5/10* • Avengers: Age of Ultron *8/10* • Guardians of the Galaxy 2 *8/10* • Iron Man *(Not rated)* • Iron Man 2 *7.5/10* • Spider-Man: Far From Home *7.5/10* • Doctor Strange *7/10* • Spider-Man: Homecoming *7/10* • Ant-Man and the Wasp *7/10* • Captain America: The First Avenger *6.5/10* • Hulk *6.5/10* • Captain Marvel *6.5/10* • Guardians of the Galaxy *6/10* • WandaVision *(Not rated)*

[@tomn6800]

The fact her least favourite is GotG

[@tomn6800]

@Spider - Man you need to learn to respect other people’s opinions.

[@BigScreenMovies]

@Spider - Man You're free to like her, I just couldn't care less about her.

[@BigScreenMovies]

@Spider - Man Why the hostility?

[@fireflyeditor2039]

@Spider - Man don’t tell people to shut up. I may not agree with this guy "Big Screen Movies", because I like Sylvie and thought that she was a great character in the show as well, but please respect his opinion.

[@LeoEBK]

Finally! I've been waiting for this!

[@2demilanesa]

My best way to explain it to my friends was.. (that's what I think it is, idk if I'm wrong) Imagine that right now, there is a multiverse existing in our reality. So that means, different versions of ourselves, exists along in the multiverse. For example, myself in another universe, did everything I did, but at the end instead of studying business management, he chose medicine, or instead of a he, is a she.. Like, it's the most overall way to see it, like just the basics. At least that's my point of view about "Variants".

[@kimwatchesstuff]

Like Mandela effects of ourselves,

[@joshhill212]

Yeah, No offense to Holden, but unfortunately he really didn't explain this well. Think of it like from the beginning of time there are these variant branching timelines breaking off creating new time lines/universes. So maybe you go back far enough & instead of evolving from apes, something happened that made rabbits the dominant species on the planet & rabbits built a society instead of people. You just have these rabbit humanoids going about their day-to-day lives in a society living on the planet instead of people. Maybe if you go back a little bit before lady Loki's birth, her frost giant parents or her frost giant grandparents (I'm Not Entirely Sure How Frost Giant Reproduction Works) got busy ("Had Adult Relations") on a different day for whatever reason & then they ended up having a girl instead of a boy. Or maybe for whatever reason before lady Loki's birth, her frostgiant parents or grandparents or great grandparents or however far down-the-line hooked up with a different person. Leading to one variable in the genes passed down that that ended up creating a female Loki instead of a male Loki. It could be those complex examples, or could be something as simple as I decided to wear a red shirt instead of a blue shirt today, & it created a completely different branched timeline/universe. Just all of the different variables that could ever happen in all of time have happened at one point or another creating these branching time lines/universes. An infinite number of different possibilities (The Multiverse). Other than that one's small nitpick, I really enjoyed their video though!

[@hen913]

love all the comments explaining it in such a simple and understanding way! I loved the show and understood what was going on and now I understand it even more lmao

[@michellevillatoro1320]

I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE!!! ☺️☺️

[@Vibranium_man]

Jen is gonna love it. It gets better with each episode!

[@d0decadice]

It's good that you made this reaction into 3 parts so that episode 3 is with episode 4 because episode 3 doesn't feel like a complete episode. The first part of episode 4 where they show a flashback of female Loki's life should've been on episode 3 because that was the episode where we were heavily introduced to the character.

[@j.hadens]

14:15 I'd just like to point out how the report Ravona reads about Loki is pretty similar to the one Fury had about Tony when he was just a consultant to SHIELD, simbolizing a new redemption path for him not only with the desert landing but this.

[@JayMac]

Shes going to be in love with a whole lot of questions for 6 straight episodes lol.. Been looking forward to this

[@OwentheRocker]

Different events and circumstances create different versions of reality, resulting in variants of the same person. For example, there is likely a timeline where Cap was never found in the ice, Tony Stark remained an alcoholic or Killmonger taking over the world. When Dr Strange mentioned the 14,000,604 different realities where the Avengers don’t win, he was referring to how certain smalls events and decisions offset the ‘sacred timeline’. Also; This is almost like Marvel’s own Doctor Who and I LOVE IT.

[@joshhill212]

Yeah, No offense to Holden, but unfortunately he really didn't explain this well. Think of it like from the beginning of time there are these variant branching timelines breaking off creating new time lines/universes. So maybe you go back far enough & instead of evolving from apes, something happened that made rabbits the dominant species on the planet & rabbits built a society instead of people. You just have these rabbit humanoids going about their day-to-day lives in a society living on the planet instead of people. Maybe if you go back a little bit before lady Loki's birth, her frost giant parents or her frost giant grandparents (I'm Not Entirely Sure How Frost Giant Reproduction Works) got busy ("Had Adult Relations") on a different day for whatever reason & then they ended up having a girl instead of a boy. Or maybe for whatever reason before lady Loki's birth, her frostgiant parents or grandparents or great grandparents or however far down-the-line hooked up with a different person. Leading to one variable in the genes passed down that that ended up creating a female Loki instead of a male Loki. It could be those complex examples, or could be something as simple as I decided to wear a red shirt instead of a blue shirt today, & it created a completely different branched timeline/universe. Just all of the different variables that could ever happen in all of time have happened at one point or another creating these branching time lines/universes. An infinite number of different possibilities (The Multiverse). Other than that one's small nitpick, I really enjoyed their video though!

[@rahulmenon9530]

In another reality "My Boyfriend watches Loki for the first time"

[@The_Curious_Cat]

Loved Loki. Not only the plot and characters, but the set design of the whole show, the intro, end credits and music are so cool.

[@NatashaSalgado]

I was wondering how the intro would be because of the different letters from Loki's intro and I'm very satisfied to see the final result. Amazing reaction and I'm agree with Jen, this show gets into some very complicated themes and it's a slow burn show but so far is the best of the MCU.

[@wakebacon8301]

This is my fav out of the three shows. I really enjoy the vintage SCI FI sounds, the violin/score is very well composed.

[@mikelant6802]

All 3 shows are brilliantly creative. Music for all 3 brilliantly creative which is a wonderful to hear.

[@eftpro3522]

I have seen other people theories about the Lokis and let me tell you all of them sound complicated as hell, my interpretation is quite simple imagine the sacred time line as a shoelace, all the little strings that make the shoelace are different timelines from all the multiverse. One string could be the MCU as we know it, other could be an MCU where certain characters aren't the same like a female Loki or a black Thor, another string could be the timeline where the Spider-Man from Andrew Garfield sets in, and another could be our own timeline. Evidence that prove my theory might be right: Everybody that worked on the show and producers said that there is only one TVA for the multiverse On Miss Minutes explanation, at the moment we see the time keepers holding the sacred timeline we see how it is not uniform, we see how certain strings fold and get back to normal. The fact that there is a female Loki, if the sacred time was just the MCU then why didn't the TVA appeared on the moment she was born, instead of arriving when she was older.

[@wyterabitt2149]

The point is that there isn't a multiverse, if there was then there would still be a multiverse to start a new war again. The entire point of the TVA is to stop the multiverse from existing to stop that war from happening, by making sure only one time line ever exists. Each branch that would make a new timeline, therefore a new universe, is ended by the TVA. I don't think it matters if Loki is female or male it has no impact on anything, but I don't want to spoiler past these two episodes so I can't say any more on your question about why the TVA didn't appear when she was born.

[@eftpro3522]

Finally someone replied, ok so I have an explanation, but that would involve spoilers, so I would get back to you once the series is over

[@nicksefcik5442]

So hype to get to watch again with u guys loved Loki!

[@ceramiccoconut]

Okay, so the multiverse theory is that little things can change and create completely parallel timelines/universes. Sometimes, it can be something like Bob ate an apple in one and didn't eat an apple in another. Or something big like Loki being born a woman (or consider that every version of Spider-Man... Maguire, Garfield, and Holland... are all variants of Peter Parker). Same general parentage and upbringing (unless something was different in that timeline). More or less the same DNA but certain aspects of their lives could be different. She's both the same and different than our Loki, as are all variants. The TVA go after people who disrupt the flow of time as the time keepers have set forth. So there are infinite Lokis who don't disrupt anything but a lot who do.

[@patrickcromwell7554]

Accurate description EXCEPT Sylvie isn't Loki. She's NOT a Frost Giant. AT ALL. she's an orphan Asgardian takin in by Odin and "took" the name Loki. Loki of Asgard was an infant taken by Odin from the Frost Giants. She's NOT actually - by definition - a Variant. NONE of the LOKIs are. Every single one is an "alternate reality Loki" Each with their Own Variants. OH wait, there was ONE actual Variant of Loki. Variant is the wrong word to describe all the versions we were shown.

[@ceramiccoconut]

@@patrickcromwell7554 I don't remember the show giving any of that information, though I could be mistaken.

[@ankurvinodiya5628]

I hope Holden reads your comment Your comment is clear , and explains everything!!

[@Dom_510]

Loki was so good. Definitely my favorite show so far.

[@jthomann71]

FINALLY. The best MCU project since Endgame.

[@jaysunleblanc3680]

I would agree with that statement.

[@cj3670]

Eh that's debatable

[@jthomann71]

@@cj3670 Debate it elsewhere.

[@jaysunleblanc3680]

@@jthomann71 no need to be an a-hole

[@jthomann71]

@@jaysunleblanc3680 If you think that's being an asshole, I have to assume you're pretty new to the internet.

[@mickydrew]

I was soooo distracted by that remote control being in your hand the whole time. Press play and put it down...lordy

[@dyloosutherland3075]

Holden just nails it with these intros also nice T Shirt Jen

[@RubenNeves]

At 24:00 I would say yes, these are all loki variants that got caught. Only people who are involved with nexus events become Variants. The TVA hunts variants, so... not everyone, just variants.

[@jonathanblaze1648]

"Do a lot of people know 'they're' not robots"? Hmmm now I get it. P. S. Show Jen the Miss Minutes cartoon again to help explain variants and the timeline again.

[@thehoogard]

Wouldn't help though, because it inherently doesn't make sense. If there's only 1 sacred timeline (and all branching events are "quickly" corrected), why does Loki come in different size and shapes? There should only be one. Also, how is there time outside time. As usual time-travelling makes no sense. I wish they stayed away from it.

[@jmoney6782]

Its OK Jenn.. You will get it when y'all watch more episodes.. This is my favorite MCU show 🤘

[@PanGuy_]

Never did I imagine hearing someone say this show is a slow burn lol Though I am glad she's enjoying it :D

[@grantsawyer9779]

I actually thought the first three episodes were kinda slow. Especially episode 1

[@brucesimmons5517]

I think it IS a slow burn. This show is mainly just talking. Which is not a bad thing, it's one of the reasons that I love it.

[@PanGuy_]

Huh. Well I guess those are valid opinions. Just hadn't heard them before.

[@JM-vj2sx]

Totally. I was in the weeds until episode 4.

[@RageNaught]

The intro and Ms. Minutes cameo was dope. Good stuff, always enjoy the videos. Also the new camera made this look extra good.

[@evilsephiroth21]

she finally caught up with us. Now she will have to experience the pain of waiting over a year for the next Marvel title to release! Just like us!

[@seancoetzee5399]

Well... Less than a week before the next show drops and less than a month before the next film.

[@justboschma5047]

Technically she has to wait alot less, because most mcu tv-shows take less than a year to release and it is still part of the MCU. If you strictly talking about the movies, then you are correct yes.

[@Kriae]

We won't get another year-long gap for a while though

[@FredMaverik]

there's like 4 movies coming out this year only. She will never know true pain of 1-2 films per year at best.

[@myaa1636]

Not really. There’s like 3 movies and 2 more shows this year alone lol

[@tvfd219]

One of the subtle details I liked about Ep1 is how Renslayer addressed him as "Loki Laufeyson" instead of Odinson. Attention to detail is off the charts.

[@ricardomiles2957]

At least for me it was obvious that the sacred timelines refers to a certain "script" that all the universe have to follow. Otherwise there wouldn't be variants in first place

[@dfilmmaker13]

I like how she has a Matt Lane moment understanding the concept of the variants

[@keithscheidies4294]

I think one of the things confusing Jenn is that the "Loki's" in Roxxcart are not really Loki, they're people the female Loki temporarily took over. That's why they don't look like "our" Loki.

[@makon89]

I think so too, hope Holden explained it to her.

[@LusanoPieter]

Exactly. Hope he explains it to her too. It will help her understand the Loki / variant thing better

[@smfstracers]

I think the clearer way to explain it is that the people in Roxxcart were being mind-controlled, not "taken over"

[@OMFGcataFAN1]

I feel like the info dumps Are mostly enjoyable for the long time fans. What is a slow burn for Jen is some of the things that i enjoy above All in these shows. Like just being introduced to the TVA in ep1. And loki talking to mobius in ep2. Was alot of fun and interesting dynamic.

[@AndrewsiPhoneable]

We were all with you Jen, it takes a while for this series to get juicy but it does lol

[@roxiepearl1]

I’m chuckling at all the “hindsight” explanations!! Everyone has a different “imagine if…..”

[@AverageJoes-cm2eo]

When loki explained the difference between a duplication and an illusion projection that would have been a great chance for Owen Wilson to go "Wow"

[@causewhynot284]

The “I’m Holden” joke almost broke me

[@exit1595]

24:00 My understanding of the series is that those other Loki variants were caught and pruned. That's why Mobius states that they've *encountered* many variants and if I'm not mistaken, all Variants are bad to the TVA. There is (was) only one acceptable timeline and any deviation from that would have created a branch that would have lead to a different result in the end. No variant can exist.

[@zaccaustin]

Seeing Loki find out that Frigga died was painful to watch a second time

[@maipe6917]

In terms of how Lokis have so much variation in appearance, it helps to remember that Loki’s appearance as we know it is created by Oden. He is a frost giant was made to look like an Asgardian. It’s conceivable that Olsen chose different outward appearances and even different genders in a lot of the timelines. None of those differences would have necessarily made enough of a variation in his life arc to create a split in the timeline at first it. It would be like having the same movie but casting a role differently. It isn’t until the plot changes that it becomes enough of a change to require being reset.

[@gingermlg]

THE INTROS AND TRANSITIONS OML

[@DMFX1]

I pulled out all the stops on this one!

[@existential_sad_boi]

You had me DEAD on the floor with that lil "I'M HOLDEN" at the beginning of episode 2 with holding out for a hero

[@thejoeyjoey]

Multiverse and parallel universes. It means there are Infinite amounts of jen and Holden out there that look different.

[@bamwham9183]

Liking the series so far, and for me personally, being a fan of sci fi it’s not too difficult to understand variants/timelines/alt dimensions and multiverses. I can also understand how it may be difficult to follow. Most of the time I just accept things in shows or movies without thinking too much about it. It’s good to get that perspective from other people.

[@asherinka]

This, I am a huge fan of scifi and I find people not understanding the basics frustrating, and then I have to remind myself that casual mcu fans don't consume any piece of science fiction that appears on screen as I do so it is ok for some to get lost in the lore.

[@papl20]

Sweet Jen, this show is just like Loki. Chaotic, smart, funny, with unexpected heart and unintentional catastrophe. Loki's always biting more than he can chew. Loki was actually VERY science based, so the multiverse and time travel is based on theoretical physics. For the first time I encourage Holden to read the comments and explain things to Jen better. So you both get a grasp of what will be the future of the MCU.

[@chazdrain1048]

I like the first episode. Loki watching his life til his death. And him being D. B. Cooper was hilarious.

[@craigthomas6884]

I loved this show it was like a really well done Doctor Who

[@Hi-fd4cw]

If Doctor Who was good you mean

[@craigthomas6884]

@@Hi-fd4cw yep this is what it should be

[@jasonmichaels8204]

3:31 The look on your dogs face was so perfect 😂

[@ExUSSailor]

Tom Hiddleston's classical Latin pronunciation is on-point!

[@mikelant6802]

Reply, I saw another reaction video and he broke down T:Hiddleston's accent in Loki. Said he did a superb job and came to find out that T.H. studdied Greek and Latin in his university days.

[@TheKingofHearts777]

YESSSSSSSSSS! I WAS WAITING FOR THIS! SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW!!!!!

[@TheKingofHearts777]

Not sure if this helps, but think of the variants as different levels of the animal kingdom. Take all plants for example... Plants = Loki. Variants are like different species of plant. Different versions of Loki from different timelines. Hope this helps.

[@toxichawk5752]

this is definitely my favorite show out of the ones weve seen so far

[@nykovik]

4:16 when I see devins new mgfw loki intro

[@DMFX1]

Thank you so much!

[@josephriojas]

The quality of your videos have been amazing, from the intro, to the actual reaction it’s awesome

[@marjoe32]

Finaly, im kinda sad/happy she's caught up with us.

[@cozy4920]

Holden, you used "Some Kind of Poet" in the review phase and i was so freaked because I JUST listened to the song right before I watched this video. subbed for that

[@ConnorEllisMusic]

HOLDEN at some point you have to help her out. Think about walking down a street and then taking a left turn. Now what if you turned right? That's who the variants are, the other versions of you who made different choices, big or small.

[@mateuszrak2585]

DUDE SHE IS SOOOO PRETTY

[@king_supreme1102]

Everybody is trying to explain variants to Jen. But in reality she has already watched the whole series so you’re only explaining to the confused Jen of the past

[@JoshuaG]

12:19 "Im HOLDEN out for a herooo!!" 😂

[@nongmaithemavinash3977]

Why do Variants look different? Because they are from different universes but follow the same time/plot ( sacred timeline ). And those who steer away from the plot, the TVA handles them. Hope this helps.

[@phillippiris1022]

The easiest way to think of variants is to think of Loki or any other character as a role that needs to be played in the timeline. Any actor, depending on the circumstances, can play a Loki as long as it doesn't affect the story in the end.

[@ValueNetwork]

I wonder how Jen will react to the finale of this series. Obviously no spoilers but because she has no comic knowledge the impact may be lacking

[@Eidlones]

Bet anything she'll be disappointed by the ending, cause there's no fight, and Kang just dies.

[@jimmiegiboney2473]

Mark 7:58. Thanks once again for sharing scenes that others didn't! It makes this viewing session even more worthwhile for me. 😎👍