Hollow Knight Speedrunner reacts to the Perfect Speedrun [TAS]

[@BlueSR]

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ANSWERED HERE: ”Why doesn’t the TAS do this?” A lot of the questions you probably have about the TAS and what decisions it makes can be answered by giving you the community’s rulung on Wallcling Storage! It goes as following: Wallcling storage is allowed, so long as glitchless movement through the same space with current items and room state is available to the player. This is why the TAS gets Crystal Heart! (And doesn’t go below the Crystal Peak gauntlet entirely) Following the NMG ruleset, it is not allowed to do any Wallcling storage skips through spaces that would usually require cdash UNLESS it has cdash unlocked. This may seem a very strange way to rule it, but please consider that the ruleset was made with human runs in mind, that are unable to do all umm… this. This is also why the TAS doesn’t skip beast’s den entirely! I’ll be editing this message to keep answering your questions!

[@Nudgarrobot]

Ah, gotcha. A little unfortunate that the TAS was locked to that same ruling, since as far as I'm aware that ruling was made to prevent super tedious, super precise grinding for that one trick as a make-or-break for human runs.

[@Mockturtlesoup1]

I assume I'm not fully understanding something, but if that's how the rules work, how come he was "allowed" to wall cling storage his way across the blue lake before he had C-dash?

[@jrnazon9998]

Could you Wallcling storage into a cdash with the imaginary wall

[@jasminelee3935]

@@Mockturtlesoup1 glitches are ok in nmg IF they don't enable the player (or tas) do things that would be otherwise impossible with their current equipment. So you can't use wcs to skip across a really long cdash/acid room if you haven't picked up cdash in the run yet, because "normally" you wouldn't be able to cross the room. The blue lake wcs is okay because there is nothing preventing you from crossing blue lake without the glitch!

[@rohanamin6114]

Why didn't you just count the nail turn arounds to see how much time it saves?

[@jimbopkiller3844]

It's a shame Fury isn't viable, it would be so much fun to watch speedrunners struggle with it!

[@Neontaster]

You're such a great hype man for the TAS haha. TASers are such unsung heroes. People think it's easy to just "make a computer play it perfectly" and are more impressed by RTA runners, but there's so much work and experimentation and discovery involved in these, and many many RTA tricks were discovered by TASers.

[@Kitsune_Chara_CG]

like i believe if i got into it today i could like at most manage to get to the lore tablet that tells you how to use focus and even that would probably take me like Way longer then it Should xD like even just putting in the inputs if it runs on 60frames doesnt that mean the TASer has to put in like 60 seperate inputs? i mean sure smtimes i think you can copy paste like a TINY bit but yeah (idk ive not watched a TAS stream for long and what i said ive never used it or watched it for long times so theres probably like 20 mistakes in what i said xD)

[@feeplemurphy4618]

Love me some tasers, that's for sure.

[@georgerobins4110]

I honestly just appreciate the amount of time put into this. TASers and runners both put hundreds of hours into their work and it’s really impressive

[@Kitsune_Chara_CG]

*Everybody gangsta till The Person Named TAS joins the gaming session*

[@WeirdTroll666]

lol

[@aidancode]

Low% true ending but with rng manipulation would be a cool tas

[@The_Lazy_Squid]

Skurry did a video similar to that: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHfTpH2LjqtjaNE

[@skytrizz]

@@The_Lazy_Squid yeah I saw their video

[@Reynnan123]

@Minh Nguyễn YES YES YES

[@AlphaFX-kv4ud]

That would be so long to make as you need to figure out what you need to do to manipulate for the rng to be perfect

[@rareshogas8683]

Dude you would literally get essence from bosses

[@k.h.production22669]

I wanna see a 112% TAS at some point, I feel it would be so cool to watch

[@hoangbg612]

This is what the true "hollow" knight can do without a mind

[@wutmagna7222]

26:04 Can we talk about how perfectly in time with the music that opening barrage was?

[@morphalta2074]

My lord your right

[@JonnePoritz-ms8dz]

That TAS is amazing shoutouts on CC

[@santiagorios1659]

I thought I was the only one who noticed lol

[@Nipppppppppp]

That uumuu kill was just chefs kiss

[@NthPortal]

for future reference, you can use '.' (the period key) to frame-advance a youtube video, and ',' (the comma key) to frame-...retreat? a video (go back frame by frame). you can hold either key down to frame-advance/retreat rapidly (I don't know the exact rate)

[@tarhun9977]

Lol frame retreat (thank you tho)

[@ThunderbackOG]

Hey, hey... ALL the humanly impossible Stuff and glitches. But NO MAJOR GLITCHES!!! 😇

[@bigboykenob2244]

What even counts as a major glitch?

[@martinacocca4225]

@@bigboykenob2244 the thing that you can open a godseeker file and glich out of godhome into hallownest with all ulgrades for sure, the rest idk

[@Slygrond]

@@bigboykenob2244 just watch one Speedrun with all major glitches you'll see

[@Firefly256]

@@Slygrond oh yeah teleporting to save files and killing Lurien 3 times, don’t forget summoning the whole crystal peaks into THK fight

[@redhoodieguy9977]

21:53 Love that while Blue is having a deep analysis chaos is ensuing in the chat

[@HumanoidDerpling]

That's the entire video

[@cornifer5261]

35:58 I petition that we call this skip 'Nogaxe'

[@niccy_the_niccy]

signed niccy C.

[@marcellofp7465]

34:07 I love how even when you put the part where Blue puts the video at 0,25x at 0,25x you can’t see what happened That would be 0,0625x speed

[@B3nnettB]

Technically it’s still only 0.25x. He’s showing us that section at 0.25x yes, but us putting the video in another 0.25x doesn’t make it 0.0625x. It just shows us that at 0.25x speed. Us adding that additional 0.25x afterwards doesn’t magically add that missing detail unfortunately.

[@Im_Marco]

put it frame by frame, 2 frames of him scrolling just a bit and then 3rd frame boom already at the lantern

[@blaquewalker6818]

this TAS is insane! thanks for making this analysis

[@TmSpeedy0407]

Shoutout to solthas in the chat repeatedly trying to get him to use arrow keys.

[@sqeekybassoon8210]

I love how the chat just devolved into a mini war about Celeste the moment it was mentioned.

[@Windette]

Yo Good thumbnail dude... Immediately caught my eye!

[@OverPowerGamer-nm5xc]

Yoo wimdy

[@lighttheheir7483]

Fun fact: The jelly doesn’t do a specific amount of damage but it does infinite damage to anything is collides with (except the Knight ofc)

[@jasminelee3935]

How has the game been out for 4 years and this is the first full any% tas??? So cool!!!

[@BlueSR]

The reason the TASes are coming now is because the tool was only recently adapted to Hollow Knight (and unity games in general!) before that, the RNG was an insurmountable barrier

[@whee2390]

TASes are one of my favourite parts of speedrunning, and it’s really cool to finally see one for hk!

[@marcellofp7465]

When I saw a TAS video for the first time, I thought it was an actual human

[@aeolian951]

21:21, 24:53, 27:17, 28:12, 28:59, 32:05, 49:53, 51:35 Lmao, Jenkar12's character arc is awesome (Look at the chat). Also 53:11 LOL

[@leviathan7058]

I saw all those little comments when watching the vid aswell lol

[@Aylas31]

:bluesrPeek: Thanks :3

[@emilyerben4782]

@@Aylas31 honestly I respect your opinion that you don't like celeste, but you can't just say that it's objectively bad just because there are parts of the game you don't like. It's just this little detail that infuriates me a bit, that you don't say "oh I don't like celeste because" but instead say "celeste isn't a good game because", because in my opinion the features of celeste that you discussed in chat aren't features that are objectively good or bad but rather features that certain people like and others don't, so they don't inherently make a game objectively better or worse.

[@Aylas31]

​@@emilyerben4782 That is very fair - and when asked for a serious opinion on the game it's much more nuanced (i think the game is overall good, just not as excellent as people put it to be (even outside the mechanics that just don't match what i like). But this is of course very subjective and i obviously don't mind that people like it much more than i do). The context of those bits (and in general any bits of me in twitch chat) is an extreme character played for giggles and the reaction it causes - it's for a laugh, it isn't meant to be taken as a thoughtful, serious take or analysis of celeste - and the people in chat are generally aware and accepting of that (otherwise i would stop doing that obvs). I'm sorry that that taken out of its context infuriated - truly isn't the intent.

[@emilyerben4782]

@@Aylas31 Oh ok, out of context your comments were very misleading indeed, but thanks for clarifying, I really appreciate that :)

[@cee_ves]

Ah, the knight has reached its peak form as a child of the pale king, and has become *brrrsaw*

[@corniber6269]

Man this TAS guy is so good at so many games

[@dragonex4723]

Ikr an how does this guy do all these frame perfect jumps

[@huxerxiao6068]

Yea lol like that guy play. Just wow

[@OverPowerGamer-nm5xc]

It feels ai smh smh

[@junewalker9341]

The linux system clock thing is because a random number generator is basically a complex transformation from an input number to an output number such that you can't see any correlation between input and output. For example you could take the numbers 1-1000 and transform them onto values from 0 to 1. The input number is called a seed and is always going to transform to the same 0-1 value, but a seed of 1 might go to 0.2134 and 2 might go to 0.9238 and there's no regularity to it. Now to get something that isn't the same every time you can put seeds in based on something current that's happening, for example the clock time or the number of times you've pressed attack, or the clock time plus the attacks plus the value in memory for variable x, etc, so that every time you play you get different seeds and so you get different random numbers. By using linux and setting the system clock, and then doing the same actions, you will end up with the same numbers. you might be able do this in windows too but it's just easier to do this kind of thing in linux

[@TroglodyteIQ]

The fact that you got your comment liked by SR a year later is an accomplishment

[@beat0s]

imagine being the bosses in this run, being absolutely demolished by this little bug like half their size

[@dragonex4723]

“Ok there’s just a tiny bug should be easy” Gets no hit and killed at top speed

[@cysipy]

this tas is insane, the run is so quick i can hardly tell whats happening like what happened at uumuu LOL

[@phee4174]

The Uumuu section was incredible

[@Velo12722]

I watched this TAS like 5 or 6 times by now and I'm still amazed by the speed an precision of the TAS and all the hard work that is required for this

[@moonshine7753]

Love the chat just arguing about Celeste

[@watercat9475]

@Henry around 20 minutes in, might start before then

[@BlueStarRO]

@Henry At 21:24 someone says "celeste sucks" in chat and it goes from there

[@johncargille7722]

Hearing Blue sound like a kid in a candy store made my day

[@ShadowOfOurHearts]

its important to know that TAS's while super cool and I love them are only as good as the people who program them, this is why Humans with lots of work and effort have frequently outpaced and bested WR Tas Runs with the ability to find new routes, new info, and new tricks. its Truly a wonderous ecosystem and Runners and TAS'ers coevolve together to make the best and most perfect runs.

[@JMPDev]

@BlueSR remember you can use arrow key left/right to jump by seconds and period/comma to jump by individual frames in KZbin’s browser UI :)

[@light6666]

"you have 4 frames to imput it" *streetfighter players intencify*

[@iurigrang]

I know it would probably never happen because of sheer length, but I so wanted to see a 112% nmg tas, :(

[@heavysaur149]

Damn that TAS beat Hornet without here saying Shaw!

[@moonshine7753]

Blue, you should also react to Krythom's any% nmms TAS!

[@BlueSR]

I think i do not have the insight and understanding to make the reaction actually add something to the original. Therefore i’m not planning on doing a video on it. Also, i’ve already watched it hehe

[@moonshine7753]

@@BlueSR Fair, I think only Krythom know what's going on there

[@tomassanchez7436]

I like to think the knight just woke up really grouchy that day

[@andro_king]

Watching CC do this live was very interesting. Sadly I wasnt able to make it to every stream, but damn was it fun.

[@TSpoon823]

This is insane to watch. Incredible. Also, the look the Knight gives when it flies through the air with that wallcling storage always cracks me up. I imagine it just breaking the fourth wall like, "Oh hey guys, what's up? Look at how fast I'm going." 😂

[@Sciansci]

27:02 Daaaaamn that sync with the music is exquisite

[@ЕвгенийЕфимов-й7н]

58:10 - he could've saved grubby and get sub 29 if not for cdash mistake...

[@peppidesu]

-1 to the people arguing about celeste in chat, very childish smh

[@lasinhouseinthetrees1928]

based

[@TheThirdPrice]

Honestly, had to quit watching like a third of the way through cause chat was so annoying

[@BlueSR]

Most of the copypasta posted in the chat is sarcasm! It’s like a dumb little meme where ppl compare the two, largely because HK runners are often jealous of their neighbor game’s functional imput handling and code as well as lack of rng hehe. 99.99% of ppl in the HK community absolutely love celeste, me included!

[@lasinhouseinthetrees1928]

@@BlueSR Yay!!!! thanks for the clarification blue

[@TheCattail]

@@BlueSR so basically everyone except Jenkar12

[@Eisog]

Really fun video blue!

[@cairoraiser9338]

Watcher Knights bloomin 44 seconds of a fight. I sat there and counted. That’s insane.

[@Milkkunene]

5:50 SLUG IN A TUB IS IN CHAT

[@sarahschneider6352]

When Blue gets shocked that Lemm is faster than the TAS...no one tell him about Cornifer and how he teleports to every area before you

[@NeonPuro]

And that's why cornfier is the most overpowered character ever

[@theoatmaster7501]

Jenkar with the hot takes.

[@Nabil-H]

Love to see your youtube channel grow

[@_qwerty_3545]

26:05 bruh it's literally hitting with the music my god

[@MyNamesMaj]

WOOOO CONTENT

[@VaSoVaVa]

TAS: *god time* BlueSR: not for humans, but cool! %Time pass% Someone beat the TAS. You know, it`s normal to HN comunity to be a God, from time to time:)

[@Haxihoovis]

From the time you can move in Sly's shop to the -1800 appears on screen, it's 1 second and 19 milliseconds.

[@F7actured1832]

I have actually gotten wall cling storage off of flat walls multiple times by accident not in the same exact way, but it has happened so much that I've just began to ignore it. other than the one time it killed me. that was funny

[@pineconespl]

Blue's voice is so soothing i feel alseep when he was talking about the QGA skip

[@cakeeyplayz]

For lemme being faster than the TAS, I'd like to imagine there's one pane of glass we can't see that's just completely fucking shattered

[@noahnaugler7611]

A new challenger has entered the Something Ring!: TAS Vessel

[@cowzilla]

hour long blue video pog?? wait i missed the stream what :(

[@Krimson241]

"Stop cheating Lem!" --> less than 5 seconds later: *aggressive wall-cling storage noises*

[@annaclarallb]

Gotta appreciate the heated argument between other_blue and Jen in the chat

[@koray1621]

Even cameraman couldn't keep up , now thats illegal

[@witherslayer8673]

tas skills 1: nail turn around 2: flight 3: controling fate 4: bounceing off of superheated air

[@shadowcreeperthe4thwallbre6]

Blue: *talk about Celeste The chat: *civil war intensified*

[@actually_zer]

No matter what game TAS runs are always insane

[@natebrown7968]

If hollow knight TAS speedruns are this fast, imagine how much faster it could be in silk song

[@gijinkagamer4928]

What I expected: “Woah, that’s a pretty cool strat, but also pretty expected.” What I got: “Haha mantis claw go brrr”

[@Malevolent_Maya]

I can't believe that I put this video in 0.25× speed and could still barely see the menu, holy hecc

[@lunasleonas5937]

This is so freaking cool!!

[@celinhooliveira3716]

Tas:looks down for a fraction of a second boss:im going to die by your control 😂

[@fuzzybee3233]

damn i blinked and i missed hornet 1 fight

[@cobaltblade4]

In retrospect, we could still have a 28 minute TAS if we traded that Cdash mistake for the grub.

[@BorfenDa]

dude the chat in the stream are animals fr

[@Crynn]

all the wacky shit doesn't even matter, frame perfect wall jump are the best thing here.

[@kono152]

I was distracted by the arguments going on in chat on whether celeste is good or not

[@oliviergazendam6867]

The deepnest grub could be saved when the mistake of the cdash at black egg temple wasnt made.

[@JocaPlays87]

This has nothing to do with anything, but when it was colorless in the beggining i thought it was a mod that made King's pass look like ancient basin, and now i have that idea in my head

[@Zaliant]

is this RTA viable?

[@Turobisu]

No, a lot of the inputs are frame perfect, most of the time multiple frames in a row, which just isn't possible to do with any kind of input device a human could use, a keyboard or a controller just can't physically input that quickly even if the person controlling it could(they couldn't).

[@Zaliant]

@@Turobisu i think its doable humans just need to get better

[@dragonex4723]

@@Zaliant The git gud strat

[@ruspo3526]

heyo don't you speedrun portal?

[@Zaliant]

@@ruspo3526 no, but i'm an msushi fan

[@MaximMarkiw]

TAS true ending would be interesting, especially white palace.

[@TheGalaxyWings]

This has become a reaction channel now, rest in peace variety streamer BlueOnTtv

[@MrDykstra2108]

Blue:*explains dreamnail segment* Me: reading arguing about celestie

[@kingmaple9252]

You know how the TAS jumped of the invisible wall? Well you know the last platform, you need to wall jump off before you reach the spike that goes up and down before the final buzzsaws of path of pain? Well I accidentally did that before dying because I didn’t predict it 7 times.

[@Conorodactyl]

At 21:23 i love watching how chat blows up at Jenkar for saying celeste is bad🤣

[@Liskyy]

If a human could do this: We have to go in 30 mins! Hold on let me beat hollow knight

[@french7515]

Did you really have to pause and rewind this much 🦧

[@Maffgiraffe.]

he has speed 2 the whole time, like smh I thought potions were banned

[@kenziebalhatchet3918]

Nah they’re not using potions they’re using minor glitches to get the slow fall and speed 2 effect so while yes potions are banned that doesn’t matter

[@Skivv5]

@TheGalaxyWings in stream chat just spouting the most cringe opinions of all time.

[@error7066]

I was playing celeste, i heard him talking about it, then saw the mini war in chat

[@BookNook7]

BlueSR: [Hyping the TAS speedrun, mentions Celeste] Someone in chat: "Celeste sucks." ...I will fight you. (ʘ言ʘ╬)

[@odditu2465]

it’s a meme command, do !celeste (I think)

[@BookNook7]

@@odditu2465 I noticed the long paragraph about difficulty probably is, since the copy-paste spam kinda gives it away? Someone before that just said it sucks, though...

[@wingedwitch191]

If anyone's interested for that moment in chat, it's around Dream Nail section, 21:25

[@kinggamereon653]

who needs monarch wings when you have wallcling storage?

[@fabio__db]

I‘d love to see this do any rad

[@BlueSR]

Check Cuber Knight’s channel! They have an Any Radiance TAS!

[@fabio__db]

@@BlueSR thx dude

[@toogoodforaname4041]

Everybody imagine wallcling storage but with dashmaster

[@helved807]

slow motion sly is my favourite part

[@olehendricks6160]

The wall kling storrage regrab sounds just like someone dragclicking

[@cassandrawynter3801]

imagine a TAS for the isma wings any% route, i want that s o bad

[@radiant_shade]

lol i was CC's 14th subscriber from a while ago

[@dddfccvd]

Bluesr:imagine spending 6 hours doing this Me:as a speed runner wannabe I can confirm I spend 6 hours on uumuu

[@luke0saur]

I wish someone talked to me the same way Blue talks to grubs :(((

[@universal_ramen7147]

Hollow knight players when their abusive father comes home (they memorised his attack patterns)

[@WTZWBlaze]

26:05 Is it just me, or do the nail hits line up with the music?