Hollow Knight Was Deeper Than You Remember

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[@Tomcat13436]

Little nitpick but the Pale King was by no means the emissary of the Radiance. They were different forms of light-associated gods competing with each other for the worship of Hallownest’s bugs, the Pale King by granting them free will and the Radiance by forcing the bugs to worship her through the Infection. The whole reason why the main conflict of the story happened is because the Pale King converted the Moth Tribe to worship him, causing the Radiance to be forgotten.

[@soraceant]

Exactly. Dude is so off with his explanation of what happens in the game

[@Wheel-chair-]

If the Radiance was forgotten how is it in the game? The moth tribe never forgot the dead, so they still lived on as ghosts, correct? So if they had forgotten the Radiance none of the event of the game would even happen, heck the knight wouldn’t even exist

[@Tomcat13436]

@@Wheel-chair- “How fickle my ancestors must have been. They forsook the light that spawned them. Turned their backs to it... Forgot it even. And so this kingdom was born from that betrayal. But the memories of that ancient light still lingered, hush whispers of faith... Until all of Hallownest began to dream of that forgotten light.” - The Seer

[@Zinlain]

@@Wheel-chair- the decay of Hallownest was started by their expansion into the Crystal Peak which lead to the discovery of one of the last statues of the Radiance. Simply seeing the statue was enough to restart the Radiance Infection, leading the Pale King to make his Hollow Knight and seal her.

[@commandercorgi]

@@Wheel-chair-the statue at the top of the Krystal peak was discovered by the bug boss that has the now has a Krystal on its head spreading the infection through the peak into the crossroads from which it spread everywhere

[@MysteryMan16]

Good video, but one criticism: The Pale King was never an "emissary" of the Radiance, nor associated with it in any way. The Pale King was the one who granted the bugs sapience and higher thought, not the Radiance. I think the best way to compare them is that while they both represent light, the Radiance is a blinding sun, while the Pale King is a gentle moon. The Pale King was the ideal balance between light and dark, at least from his subjects' perspective, but when the Radiance threatened his kingdom with her light, he delved deep into the dark to try to stop her, losing his morality in the process.

[@bodkie]

What is the light of the moon but a reflection of the sun? Whether the moon or those who look upon it believe the light is its own, it's a messenger of the sun, passing its light on in a way that can be witnessed by others. Sounds like an emissary to me.

[@greygaston1263]

I think another interpretation is that the radiance is the God who brought the universe into existence, and made the moths her chosen people, while the pale king (also known as wyrm) is Lucifer, who usurped God and gave all of the bugs free will.

[@dukcboy912]

@@greygaston1263 hollownest is just a kindgom not the entire world

[@dukcboy912]

@@bodkie let me help you the radiance uses the power of light but she is not light itself and only existed in hollowknight not the rest of the world theres probably more strong beings that use the power of light and dark but the pale king is more of a primary force when he was a wyrm that shaped the tunnels of hollownest and others places of the world, existing more than one wyrm that create places where life emerged radiance is merely a user of light not a primary force necessary with or without her the light will still exist

[@bodkie]

@@dukcboy912 your complete disregard for punctuation of any kind makes this even less helpful, but it's not helpful to begin with. "The sun is a source of light, not light itself." Ok? And taken into consideration of the Demiurge, the Demiurge didn't create existence, it shaped an existence into a lower form, existence would be there without it. None of that explains why anything I said or was stated in the video isn't an analogue to archetypal storytelling, where it doesn't matter if the archtype stand-ins are exactly 1:1 in lore compared to the base level myths they're aligned with or not.

[@RyonBeachner]

Wait a minute this isn’t mossbag

[@potaken9936]

WHERE IS THE ZOTE 30 HOUR LONG LORE VIDEO???????

[@animdalf9178]

I would say in Hollow Knight it's more of a fight for dominance between two different kinds of Light (Pale King and the Radiance), in which one of the sides tried to use the pure primordial Darkness as a weapon and it backfired on both of them

[@Calux11]

So true

[@MoRPho151]

Yes, it is actually this.

[@theonewholaughs2058]

this

[@nightmare-qn6mo]

Did it backfire on the Pale King? To me, it looks more like it worked as intended. He had the Godseeker and a follower with the keys to unlock her chest to be available to the Knight, as well as having the Knight be able to obtain the delicate flower (which is hinted to be sourced from the Pale King’s power) to show his love for the Godseeker. So when the bond between the Knight and the Godseeker is finalized, they would both be taken away from the light of the Pale King. Perhaps the Pale King used the void not to destroy emotions, but to have children who would fight against the deepest and darkest urges of existence, and the only one who would be able to would be the knight, the mightiest son of the Pale King. Because if you can overcome the darkness, you can overcome a false light. It’s worth noting that evil practices actually allows the radiance to control you more easily as a puppet. And the only light that would defeat or take away the shade lord is the puny light of the Pale King that in the delicate flower, which is held by the girl that loves the knight.

[@dylanpyle6500]

actually it did not backfire on the pale king no he gave the hollow knight weakness through emotion,he the radiance a vector for infection

[@MrTTnTT]

Mistaking the Pale King for an emissary of the Radiance is a grave error in this analysis. What we know implies that the Pale King was a wyrm, a 'higher being', that decided it wanted to make a kingdom. It gave sentience and civilization to the bugs in what became Hallownest, and was so glorious that it was worshipped as a god. Even by the moths, who previously worshipped another higher being, the Radiance. Everything we see about the Radiance *except* the mere existence of the moth tribe suggests it has nothing to do with order and is more about an insect's instinctive response to light, which moths are known to be drawn towards. Finally, a note on Godseekers and 'becoming gods' in Hollow Knight: Considering how every boss, even pathetic ones, are called 'gods' by the Godseekers, it should not be thought to have any particular significance in that world. It seems it is enough to be notable to qualify as a 'god' here.

[@Jediahgames]

I love Hollow Knight so much It came out of nowhere and took everyone by surprise

[@Gooberpotomous]

Enjoyed everything, but I disagree with one point. I don't think the Pale King was ever associated with the Radiance other than to try to keep her from taking over his subjects whom he had given sentience to. I could be wrong, it's very possible I missed a tablet or dialogue or a dream nail somewhere

[@superbnns]

>new Max Derrat video >look inside >alchemy

[@faustxvii]

>gnostic tradition

[@Tuber-sama]

>Carl Jung >Carl Jung >Jung, Carl

[@stanislawwitkowicz918]

There is a lot to like about this video; the reflection on the nature of light and dark was very interesting, especially the part about the perfect being made by union of two opposites. However, the author ignores a lot of essential evidence found within the game in order to make their own narrative more convincing. Laying out only the most important points of critique: 1. There are alternative sources and inspirations for the story and the world of the game that have nothing to do with Dark Souls and which have been confirmed by Team Cherry themselves; such as the game "Faxanadu" and the book series "Dune". The author fails to acknowledge any. 2. Hollow Knight contains the themes of the conflict between light and dark, but it's by no means the defining conflict of the game. Pale King is in no way 'herald of the Radiance'. He is a god of reason and civilisation, trying to build an Eternal Kingdom, granting his subjects higher thought and free will. The Radiance, in contrast, is a ruthless and merciless force of nature, punishing Pale King's subject indiscriminately for their monarch's actions. Them being both representatives of 'light', being radiant and inspiring devotion is the only thing they really have in common. They are two distinct entities with different origins, sources of power and motives. The story of Hallownest's fall is the story of direct conflict between the old god (Radiance) and the new one (Pale King), between Nature and Civilisation. The author fails to address that in any way, choosing to group them together for the purpose of spinning his narrative of conflict between light and dark. 3. The author of the video claims that there are only three possible choices for the player's character: prolong the stasis by taking on the role of Hollow Knight, succumb to Radiance (thus dooming the world to a tyranny of light) or embrace the 'chaos' (Void; thus dooming the world to a tyranny of darkness). They claim that the player character has to choose between these three bad endings, that the game does not provide us with a satisfactory answer and that we may only get it in the sequel. The game does provide an answer. It's a ending called "Dream No More", also known to the community as the' True Ending'. The author purposefully omits this. 4.The concept of Void as 'primordial chaos' is a big stretch. There is no evidence, nor even a suggestion that the higher beings created the world out of 'primordial chaos', that all life came from Void. There is evidence pointing out to the opposite: that it's the living creatures that produce Void over long time - Void is their regrets and grief, "the weight of life", the toll of death. Moreover, the author claims that it is 'light' that is the sole source of will, mind, reason and creative capabilities; while the in game Void seems to have a will and a mind of its own. The Ancient Civilisation (the Void worshippers) used Void for creative purposes, making roads and chambers, altars, totems and workshops. The mere fact that a civilisation was built using the power of Void makes the author's interpretation less believable, as civilisation is the ultimate symbol of order and the author eqates Void with chaos. Fianally, there is no evidence that it was Radiance that destroyed Ancient Civilisation. A few minors nitpics include: The Godseekers are not trying to become gods, but trying to find the most powerful of gods so that they can direct their worship to them; Pale King never forgot Radiance; it's the Moths that did; there are multiple groups that seems to not be created by any of the higher beings, such as Mantises, creatures of Deepnest and Bees of the Hive, challenging the author's statement. In short, the author omits key evidence and ignores the clearer and better justified interpretation of the story, working with an assumption that it's built on the exact same themes and archetypes as Dark Souls, not allowing Hollow Knight to be its own story with its own messages and meanings.

[@shakalal1170]

Полностью солидарен!

[@Proletarius87]

As much as I like Max, and his points of Hollow Knight regarding gnosis and alchemy, your criticism about it is so valid, that the whole analysis looks "pale". This comment should be pinned.

[@stanislawwitkowicz918]

@@Proletarius87 I kinda went the super professional fact checking lore master way in my comment, because I was just feeling this way at the time, and I guess that's why few people bothered to read. That's why it means a lot that you went the extra mile to leave a reply. Thanks for that.

[@MarqueOwO]

6:08 I AM SHOCKED to see a reference it Mata Nui Online. I have always felt like everyone forgot about it. It feels like there is almost no online discourse on it.

[@Mantosasto]

Hollow Knight let's gooooo! See the next part about Silksong in the next episode in 2086!

[@emilyminnow]

Didn’t Ari say in the same interview that certain mechanics from Hollow Knight were inspired by Bloodborne and that he had played all of the games and isn’t he also the one who came up with the story and art direction at least for the most part? Also I wouldn’t say Hollow Knight is about light and dark. The Pale King things that he can use a vessel to harness the power of the abyss to overcome the infection being spread by the Radiance which is what is turning the bugs into zombies. The Radiance was the God that was worshipped in the time before the Pale King arrived and usurped her essentially but some bugs in Hallownest started to dream of the radiance and remembering her caused them to become infected. Perhaps consider making a follow up video with this in mind?

[@KuruSeed]

i too remember when dark souls invented gaming and story telling

[@Dhips.]

Everyone knows Dark Souls invented The Abyss.

[@stephenlanuto5993]

Lol

[@dillonqaphsiel7977]

Based

[@sebs-shenanigans]

Come on man. Everyone knows it was Demon Souls that invented story telling And Difficulty And dodge mechanics!!!

[@_ariaofthesoul_]

Is It me or almost all dark-themed philosophical games end up being fundamentally based on Alchemy, Gnosticism and Carl Jung's works?

[@GoldenAugust-]

Indeed, those have neat ideas that get recycled a lot.

[@Tuber-sama]

It surprised me that Max had nothing to say about "shadow" on this one.

[@kermit1096]

Yes. And they should look even deeper, like theosophy, manly p hall, gurdjieff, crowley, kenneth grant and rudolf steiner

[@5Del]

That Mata Nui Online/Bionicle reference is as ancient and mysterious as the void itself

[@Cm-Lorenzo]

Cool video but void actually is a very small part of the story most of the lore is about the fight between the pale king and the radiance it's more of a political story than a light vs dark story there's more than 6 different kinds of gods: soul higher beings: pale king and white lady higher beings like unn Essence higher beings: like the radiance Void higher beings: like the lord of shades Lifeblood higher beings: like the abyss creature Flame in dream higher beings: like Grimm my personal opinion is that these types of higher beings are paired 2 by 2 Void and soul (interaction soul spells and void, the vessels and the death of the king cause of void)(gods of the land and material soul and void are liquids that contain powers in the real world) Nightmare and dream(this is straight up confirmed by the seer)(the gods of the mind and dreams) Lifeblood and plant unn like powers (that I don't really know how it's called)(creators of life through mind)(gods that don't really care about the struggle between all the other parts) Void was the complete master of the land of hollownest during the age of darkness the ancient civilization was then slowly relegated in the abyss unn took control of half (more or less) of the map the radiance took another part in the peeks and the resting grounds when the pale king on his own decided to make a mess invade the reign of all of these civilizations then he practically digged his own grave unn didn't really react but the radiance killed his kingdom and the void killed him so y'know it's not that white and black the pale king was fuckin around and found out

[@sovereign-of-scars4372]

I remember when you did your analyse on Evangelion, you said that the youtuber Tranquil Dionysian (now The Berserk Dude) expressed what you originally wanted to almost word for word. With that in mind, it's entirely possible that the developers of Hollow Knight made a Dark Souls clone by complete accident.

[@jarlwhiterun7478]

I've played the absolute life out of Dark Souls and Hollow Knight. They are two games that I will play for dozens of hours at a time until I get pissed off, delete them, think about them, reinstall them, then play the shit out of them again. It's like the cycle of the linking of the fire for me

[@andreasboe4509]

I've written a whole series of speculative fiction-books with a kind of sandman as protagonist, and he is a master of dreams. I didn't know about Neil Gaiman's Sandman until several years into the writing, and my hero certainly looks like he's been inspired by Gaiman's sandman. The truth is that my sandman was inspired by the combination of the old fairy tale and the 1950's song about Mister Sandman in combination with the Chinese classic Journey to the West that has a similar figure, so two creators can definitely make a very similar final product without having heard about each other's work. My guess is that both these game creators got their inspiration from the old myths.

[@NDouthwaite]

6:07 When is the bionicle lore video coming?

[@AGaiman]

I'm always happy to have a wild Patrice appear. 2:17

[@cnkaiser1]

Just saying that the true ending in the base game actually has everything cancel out as the radiance is defeated and all vessels move on. Also I am pretty sure the knight itself is completely hollow so it would be able to trap the radiance and we don’t really know anything about the lord of shade or why the vessels become it, besides it being void given form.

[@barbieburnanator1738]

I love Hollow Knight so much, I wish I could replay it again for the first time. The creations of ideas that you mention reminds me a lot of an artist, Steven Zapata, and how he talks about the nature of ideas, where they come from, and many other topics about life. I really enjoy how you take your time when sharing your thoughts in your videos. Gives me time to think and analysis as the video progress. :)

[@GamingUniversityUoG]

Didn't expect you to paly this but it's so cool to see you work on it! How I look at the three primary powers here, Void, The Radiance, and the Pale King comes down to three types of consciousness. The Radiance is Collective Hive Mind like some insect species. Pale King was more individual consciousness. Giving higher consciousness to insects. While the Void is what you say. Chaos Matter that can be organized by, for lack of a better word, Demiurge. A craftsman. Forming a Golem. Aka Programmable Consciousness.

[@jarlwhiterun7478]

Play* It's one of the highest rated and regarded games of the modern era. Why wouldn't someone play it?

[@TNEQL]

So deep that nobody can find Silk Song, no matter how far down they search...

[@EaterOfGeese]

I think I remember hearing pharloom being referred to as "at the top of the world" I could be wrong

[@lysanderxx1664]

The beginning of the video, talking about how Team Cherry never played or knew much about Dark Souls, yet the games have such incredible similarities, reminds me of Dennis the Menace. Two entirely unrelated people who knew nothing of one another, in different countries, both created Dennis the Menace on the same day in history. Both Dennis characters were freakishly similar, too.

[@forplay5683]

I think the Pale King's and Radiance's light differs from each other as they have different roots and intentions. He represents the state of order, but inside of a conscious being perspective. The autonomy of thinking, building and fighting and trying to keep our chaos and order balanced at the same time. Radiance is the state of order as everything should be since the beginning of it all, when she is around, there would be only "order" since everything would work in the most optimal way intended like unconcious bugs and animals. The void is the darkness present in all conscious beings and it has two ultimate reasons to exist: Overcome radiance's light or get rid of its darkness to embrace radiance's light. Both of these would not work in the long run because as demonstrated, no vessel fully made of darkness.

[@nanamilia]

I made the pointing wojak face in excitement when I heard you said "Light, dark or something else entirely?" I love Dark Souls, Hollow Knight, Fear and Hunger, Noita and Bloodborn. I have books on alchemy, occult and other mythos. I love your videos Max, you're channel is almost like made around my special interests. Love you

[@Scrrolcz]

Same. Was like. Damm thats Aldia's line.

[@tomsuit5952]

AskYourUncle published a video "Assassin's Creed Revelations Is Better Than You Remember" 14 hours ago, Max Derrat published a video "Hollow Knight Was Deeper Than You Remember" 13 Hours ago.... Like the Onion Knight said "Mmmmhhh.... Mmmmmhh".

[@Beeyo176]

13:20 I get an incredible sense of dread whenever this song starts playing in the background. It's kind of amazing.

[@avramnovorra]

This is the earliest i've been to a Max Derrat video, and while i never played any souls games nor Hollow Knight, it was most intriguing seeing how the forces of light and dark are not as clear-cut as ive thought. On a similar note, this reminds me of a game i played recently called In Sound Mind (definitely check that out peeps) that had a chapter that basically was "Alan Wake-like" and the dev who contributed the most to that chapter didn't play Alan Wake until after the similarities were discovered. He basically got mindblown, to the point i'd call it "divergent evolution"... or was it convergent? Either way i couldn't help but see the parallels

[@divad7137]

10:00 It also kind of relates to the concept of a Tulpa. It's kind of like a thought or concept in your mind that you manifest to reality.

[@ShadowCthulhu]

Nice touch playing Id's theme from Xenogears there plus the music from Berserk botrh great choices.

[@danielduncan6806]

At an insect's scale, it would be a gas, not a liquid as we know it. Any of our liquids are like tar to them. They get stuck in it, it is sticky. Only the larger insects can maneuver around it. Gasses are tangible things that insects can see and interact with, even the air has substance to them.

[@StewNWT]

oooh very well said

[@АлександърАлександров-ъ3ь]

Ok but what about the Grimm Troupe 😆

[@snakejazz]

1:07 you misquoted here. He said he "actually hasn't played MUCH of Dark Souls.." which mean he's definitely played SOME of it. Which means he at the very least knows how dying works and how save points work.

[@soup_samurai32]

I just played Hollow Knight for the first time this year, so good timing

[@bli2z4rd]

One of my favorite youtubers talking about one of my favorite games. Hell yeah

[@JomaXZ]

The Void sounds a lot like the Backyard from Guilty Gear...

[@VinnyContiello]

I always thought that the player character knight being a "pure vessel" was a way of telling the story through gameplay. The player goes into the game without knowledge of the story or lore and makes intuitive decisions over the course of the playthrough that lead to them discovering how they ended up in Hollownest in the first place.The point of this is that the player character and the actual player have the same thoughts and goals in a real way that you don't even realize it until the story's been told.

[@nightmare-qn6mo]

Have you noticed that the only pure vessel you will find in myths would be be the messiah of Israel, Jesus Christ of Nazareth? It would explain why the Knight would need to be pure, as the slightest of sins makes you worthy of belonging to hell, the false light, the Devil.

[@TheAutistWhisperer]

Deeper and hollower.

[@alvarodiamzon5069]

So basically the Knight is essentially Ichigo.

[@versesZero]

The Xenogears BG music near the end gave me a surprising kick of nostalgia... if you haven't already you should make a video on that game/series... EDIT: Nevermind, found it and watching now

[@jeffdecaro3164]

I remember one of them saying they played bloodbourne

[@Chuck_Shurley]

Hollow Knight feels as deep as I remember...

[@Kleed44]

Great video man - I can't wait to hear your take on Silksong! (if it ever comes out lol)

[@zero69kage]

My favorite game of all time honestly. This was probably the most unique take I've seen for a while now. This actually made me rethink some of the ways I've seen aspects of the world. So thanks.

[@Pas121]

I think you overcomplicating thinks. Hollow Knight is about fight between two lights, when Pale King gave bugs free will and higher thoughts and Radiance blinding her fanbase. Its about a battle of two gods for worshipping and about a king, who can do anything to keep his kingdom Eternal, to keep his reign and to prevent thinks that are not preventable

[@noctsickversus9632]

2 gods? Radiance and,

[@Pas121]

@@noctsickversus9632 pale king

[@noctsickversus9632]

But the radiance was more an alien right?

[@Pas121]

@@noctsickversus9632 there was some gods like radiance, unn, nightmare heart and etc. Radiance is just one of them, why alien?

[@noctsickversus9632]

@@Pas121 cause is the more powerful and the more peculiar

[@faelreklaw8837]

To understand most concepts in mysticisism, religion, philosophy some arts and most scienctific fields you need to know Greek or Hellenic. It will help your understanding in depth

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

Yep, and thank you for talking on this.

[@psf_dioufmaulana3040]

I'm ready for this video now

[@surreaktor]

Splendid explainations! I love it when the themes in fiction are explored through real life traditions

[@VanGtfogh]

Thank you for doing this game justice. I’ve watched a ton of Vaatividya content and have wanted the same level of quality for Hollow Knight videos and it’s been exceptionally disappointing for mossbag to be the “hollow knight guy.” I love this game so much and it deserves better

[@frivolousfae8214]

It's awesome to hear yet another perspective about this incredible game. I'm thrilled you covered Hollow Knight!!

[@davidg2135]

Never thought I would see Patrice o'neal in one of your vids.😂

[@celestialthearch8535]

where did you get the idea that the pale king was an emissary of the radiance??

[@thesongoflunch]

Did not expect the Patrice o Neill cameo hahahaha

[@enumaelish9193]

Wasn't expecting to see Patrice O' Neal in a Max Derrat Hollow Knight video.

[@PinchyTheKittyGirl]

Yeah Patrice O'Neal!

[@sad_catto]

Of course it's a deep game. It takes place far underground. All joking aside, the timing of this video is wild bc last night I kept thinking how I want to play Hollow Knight again while listening to the soundtrack. Gonna take this as a sign lmao. :)

[@exandil6029]

I believe the interpretation at 7:17 is mistaken. The Mask Maker is talking about Hallownest's expansion into the kingdom of Deepnest. This is corroborated by his placement at the end of the unfinished tramline.

[@Noname0039]

I was so disappointed in this video. You're so off the rail with what happened in the game, as if you didn't even played it but instead just read brief summary. And from this summary made educated guesses. Not like

[@ManuelGonzalez-tp3us]

The creators of the game were inspired by the anime movie "Angel egg" ( i forgot the name), which has a lot of judeo Christian symbolism, thats why Hollow Knigth has those themes and visuals.

[@nightmare-qn6mo]

Which means, the messiah/savior will kill false gods and replace them.

[@WatchThatKilcam15]

always thought this game deserves the level of appreciation and analysis that games like the souls series gets, great video!

[@RennietheRobit]

Maybe the meta aspect of a third party actor (us the player) could be a part of the "soullessness" of the playable character. Unlike the titular Hollow Knight, we don't bare any connection to the in-game world so it adds a level of detachment and literal external chaos in a sense.

[@qwerty2012w]

The union of opposites motif reminds me of genesis from the Preacher comic books. Pretty funny mix of (somewhat shallow) philosophy and bonkers “time to fist-fight god” energy, I’m not sure how fitting it is to your dissections but it’s got some neat moments

[@Davlavi]

Insightful as always.

[@yeetusnoodle]

So when I reach my peak obsession phase with hollow knight the objective #1 game commentary and analysis channel makes a video on it

[@umukzusgelos4834]

02:17 that would be the Fair Lady, not the white Lady I must say I am somewhat annoyed by the ongoing "Compare it to Dark Souls trend" that seems to affect every game that has either a Dark Fantasy Setting, dabbles into the territory of passive Storytelling or (my favorite argument) dares to have objects in it´s game world that serve as Safepoints... the one thing in Hollow Knight that reminded me of Dark Souls was the loss of Currency upon Death and being able to reclaim it but that was it chances are one is able to draw parallels between the two titles but as you have said it is mostly found on Archetypes that have been a common sight in Videogames way before Dark Souls and even Demon´s Souls hell, one might even claim Hollow Knight draws inspiration from ICO since you safe progress by sitting down on a Bench, but I digress not saying there aren´t games that emulate the Model of Dark Souls, there are plenty I imagine since it´s a successfull game and people tend to emulate that which is successfull and sales well, but it´s also a bit disheartening when you have a game like Hollow Knight were two to three people made a valiant effort and one of the first things you hear from people is "Oh, look, it´s JuST LiKE DArK SoULs!"

[@dasunersattliche9076]

so Elden Ring is just Hollow Knight all over again?

[@Artofjoe]

Team cherry lied and the only evidence you need is the abyss watchers and the abyss knights.

[@Mankey619]

I seriously don't know when will Silksong is coming. It's been a long time since they announced that game.

[@JamesBorealis]

what was anime guy bare knule boxing at begining everyone lives underground

[@WillEhrendreich]

8:00 I disagree with this wholeheartedly. There is no such thing as dark, in the sense that dark is only the word we use describe the absence of light. It has no ontological substance, therefore cannot exist without light as it's only a label, a referent to the light, which has its own existence and is not ontologically dependent upon its absence. It's the same with the word Cold. It's only the absence of heat.

[@ghoulkinggruul7345]

Hi Max, great analysis as always. Out of curiosity, have you ever considered playing and/or analyzing the games of the Korean developer Project Moon (namely lobotomy corp and Library of Ruina)? They’re all set in a shared setting which borrows heavily from various schools of mysticism (notably Kabbalah), psychoanalysis, and classical literature. The developers really show their research and the games thematically seem right up your alley. Cheers!

[@MoreLoreThenThereSeems]

I’m curious what you believe about the god home ending in relation to the light and dark dilemma, because in that ending, it seems like the radiance is just completely destroy, not locked away or diminished, but it seems like it is dead, never to rise

[@1990EscortXR3i]

Godhome ending is the pendulum swinging back. Light has had it's time and darkness finally has enough power to defeat it. Problem is, light seems to have been completely killed and the void released to the world above with no one to stop it; the pendulum has swung back harder than ever and it will be a long time before it stabilizes. The only thing that can stop void is shown in the alternate godhome ending, in which you give the pale flower to godseeker. You may interpret the flower as you will, I see it as a "natural" light that simply reacts and doesn't think, as opposed to the thinking gods we've seen.

[@robertpearsall6924]

Yes, yes, yes! I'm in the process of becoming a Jungian analyst and have been saying this about Hollow Knight since I played it. Kudos, good sir. Kudos!

[@MoRPho151]

I want to know if the person doing this video played the game because some small details seem to be misunderstandings of Hollow Knight. The knight doesn´t choose to side with Radiance or the void, they choose to take the place of the past Hollow Knight OR to destroy Radiance once and for all in the Dreamworld. Yeah, of course, is similar, destroy the flame is like destroying Radiance or not, but by not destroying Radiance you are not actually choosing the dark. You are choosing to try to contain the light inside your darkness... In the other ending where you kill Radiance, you actually get absorbed by the void and become one with it, but the void doesn´t actually do anything that the game explicitly tells us (except in one of the godmaster endings where the void becomes a new god), but for that you must destroy radiance in the Pantheon, winning the pantheon inside Godseeker mind means becoming a god, and the god can only be killed if Godseeker holds the delicate flower. In that ending both Radiance and the Void-god die. The void beings (the statues with the dark substance) are more similar to what the ancients are in dark souls, the void was adored by beings that no longer exist in that world. If you collect the fossils and if you bring them to the shopkeeper that buys you things he says that those fossils belong to that civilization that was there way before Hallownest existed... The Pale King decides to use the void to create the vessels but that´s it, they don´t have any connection. The Pale King is a new god, a new force, it is not the dark nor the light. It is also not related to Radiance at all, and is even veeeery opposed to her as it was stated by several characters of the game. The pale king tried to join all the other bugtribes to Hallownest and erase Radiance, and when the moths wanted to join The Pale King and gave their backs to Radiance is when all the mess happened. The association I can see in Hollow Knight story is more based on Greek Mythology and the Tale of Prometheus. The Pale King is like Prometheus, granting the bugs the capacity to gain knowledge and have a consciousness, represented with silver imaginery (like dim light, like the light of Prometheus), and Radiance being like an extreme light almost aggressive representing the need of the gods to control beings like Zeus and the others in the tale. The void is just emptiness or the complete absence of everything (we will never know if the civilization that had the void as a god was good or was also controlled, or if adoring the void didn´t do anything, since that civilization is truly ancient).

[@nightmare-qn6mo]

The Pale King is more like the Israel God. Since he is about over throwing and killing lesser gods, but allows the creations to have the free will to embrace him or reject him. Hornet’s mother embraced him as a sage from his miracle of life, granting her a daughter. Implying that Hornet’s mother is barren. So with the delicate/pale flower, he can rapture away the holders of it. And in this case, it’s his son and the Godseeker that embraced his son. (The church is the only supernatural female entity that fits into the God Seeker’s united female existence.)

[@nightmare-qn6mo]

Also, the Knight having every attribute of the false gods, by being a perfect of God, could explain why he can use the entire void as his own complete vessel.

[@qualiacontrol]

The Patrice O'Neil clip was priceless xD

[@Iwillchange682]

Congratulations on 400000🎉 Very appropriate 😂😂btw

[@seanchan4478]

There's a lot to learn from those developer interviews, even when they're being coy or flat out lying. Miyazaki is a big fan norse mythology, I use what I know of the mythos to fill in blanks. I'm usually way off base, but the story in my head works for me

[@TheHalogen131]

I mean... It's pretty damn deep. There's a location literally called DEEPNEST

[@chrispysaid]

I got all the way through the video just to find out the ultimate purpose was to say to Hollow Knight fans "hey guys, stop calling team cherry a liar =["

[@garyboyles5762]

Woo! More deep analysis of a beloved game! Thank you for bringing such 'meaty' content!

[@coreyrachar9694]

Silk song when!?!?! I haven't been able to poop since they announced it :(

[@AsaadDC]

oh boy! i cant wait for mossbag's debunk video!!

[@thesilentshape31]

He may not be your cup of tea, but I really dig that you inserted a Patrice O'Neal clip here. 👍... Oh yeah, great video as well. Hollow Knight was awesome. And that Xenogears soundtrack 😊

[@DarthVador33]

I’m not telling you to do anything, obviously, but I think you’d really enjoy persona 3s themes of death and acceptance

[@tondoghoul1353]

I thought that hollow knight is the story about the other dimension of the world of hueco mundo in bleach😅

[@SmakowityPischinger]

Bapanada!

[@crowythebutcher6127]

Iv been wanting to playing hollow knight but I’m still struggling through blasphemous

[@chrisbrumasmr3455]

There's a meta behind the character of the Hollow knight, he has no mind and no will because it's US controlling it!

[@desOOOm]

I only played hollow knight for the time last year. It’s now one of the best games I’ve ever played. So insanely good.

[@WobblesandBean]

Thanks for this. I had already gotten the allusions to Gnosticism, but not to this level of depth and detail. I love this game. But what's going to happen now that The Radiance is gone?

[@BenisDD]

This interpretation is very hamfisted. Pale King as an emissary? The Godseeker segment? Not good.

[@iota-09]

i know this sounds crazy, but you'd have one hell of a field day with genshin impact lore.

[@zelect5452]

You said sentience a couple times when referring to the radiance gifitng bugs with intelligence, but wouldn't what you mean be sapience?

[@ShawnRaz87]

Shadowman 1999 has tons of similarities to dark souls ( combat excluded obvious) but the level design the vibe the lore ect. And I feel dark souls borrowed from it. Just as it probably borrowed from kings feild

[@NadwornyBlazen]

Please, tell me you included shots from Mata Nui Online Game because you are fammiliar with BIONICLE lore. Please, tell me that video about BIONICLE is coming.

[@grianjuju9438]

8:48 the comment that goes "not really" what is bro thinkin???