【Hololive】Matsuri Cries Reflecting on the Hate She Got During the Apex Legends Tournament..【Eng sub】

Matsuri gets emotional during her closing remarks reflecting on the Apex Legends tournament as a whole and the hate she got from haters while playing.
【Source】: 【APEX】VTuber最協決定戦本番！【花芽すみれ/常闇トワ/夏色まつり】
• 【APEX】VTuber最協決定戦本番！【花...
【Matsuri's channel】:
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【Outro song】: "watame's lullaby but it's lo-fi" by project royal
• watame's lullaby but i...
Tags:
#hololive #natsuiromatsuri #ホロライブ #夏色まつり

[@pixelpastiche]

Yo this just hurts. Matsuri is just having fun and is entertaining as ever to watch. It's clear she loves the game and honestly is giving her best effort so what the hell? This legit makes me mad.

[@Vivi_Strike]

Just hearing her sniffle and trembling voice is hurting my soul.

[@pixelpastiche]

@@HaLire You are actually so correct I bumbled that reading out of anger because she says "it" and "those". Damn when something upsets Matsuri it actually upsets me and I am sorry for the misreading. I edited the comment.

[@LeTzPlaY100]

Tbh this is just internet in general. Especially in gaming where things could get competitive. Some people might have just said it lightly or as a small joke. But yeah, expecting the internet to behave in a certain way is just too unrealistic and it's like setting yourself up for disappointment. The best way to handle this is to just learn from the criticism and filter out the negativity. What I like about this was how she handled it. Yes she broke down and wasn't able to filter out the negativity completely. Sometimes we can't really help but get affected no matter how much we try to ignore harsh comments. But after letting out all the negativity, she was able to bounce back and said it was fun and she's hoping to become a better player next time. It didn't end as a sad pity party. That made me respect her a lot more. It's kinda pointless to get mad at the internet. You can't count on this type of behaviour to go away soon. Instead, I think it's better to learn how people could respond to this type of situation. Imo, if more people respond to this behaviour with class, it could help a lot in making toxic behaviour go away as it'd stop being "cool".

[@yuyutopt]

This, why cant they just go play the game instead of ruining other ppl fun ? Man the amount of toxic in chat is through the roof.

[@SeizetsuYamiyo]

@@LeTzPlaY100 I agree, the problem don't just goes for matsuri but for everybody who try to play just for fun and do their best, but people who takes game too seriously and lash out on the weak link will not disapear, those people will always be there no matter what. I love the way she handle it, the harsh comments shook her it's normal we are not all able to cope up with everything, but she did great. I just hope she will continue to play and get better.

[@zackyichigo8696]

Imagine getting offended by her playstyle. But the one who actually play with her just chill and support each other..

[@xc8489]

Yeah thats why my motto is be toxic to toxicity and be kind to kind people

[@musix3197]

@@xc8489 oh Nux?

[@rjmurray4282]

@@musix3197 l:{

[@icecreamdued990]

To people who get frustrated on how she plays, take Mori's advice and use the 'X' button at the top right corner of your screen.

[@OsakaLover]

True f***in that, man.

[@zircunious]

Or they can do us an even bigger solid and just move that little hand down to that little window shaped button down on the bottom left corner and click it then. Then they'll wanna click that little circular icon that says power then click shutdown, then walk away and do something constructive with their life if they have the time to make a cute girl cry from playing a game she likes. Cause odds are they will not be missed otherwise.

[@comradeofthebalance3147]

And left for IOS devices

[@Mihaugoku]

take her advice and shinde kudasai

[@carval51]

I though she's just average player though , and it's not like they super competitive type this is just entertainer/vtuber not pro apex player. certainly they are not pro though.

[@Slimstats-KFP]

When the enemy team cares more for Matsuri than the "fans" who were watching her. Read the rules and respect the people making content for you to watch.

[@pepealasquid6005]

They don’t understand that they are not even entitled to these entertainers time or day, yet they do it anyway. They could quit anytime they wish yet stay despite the hate. For all we know they could be far more successful else where yet choose to stay and entertain us; it is after all an entertainment company.

[@AkariShiina]

This is a really bothersome and dumb problem since the people that are hating on vtubers or Matsuri in this particular video aren't doing anything with there own lives they're just trash waiting for there time to die a pointless hopefully painful death

[@dgas5904]

@@AkariShiina That last part was unnecessary, you sound like the people you're bashing.

[@zaiwex]

Now, she got champion & ranked 4th place in the CR Cup tournament #4. Haters can eat their words now.

[@deadbeat4449]

And now got first in the Nijisanji tourney. She really made what she said come true.

[@CartoonHangout]

I'm sure she did her best. Mean comments always tend to stand out more than even the nice ones. You can get 100 supportive comments but that 1 mean one can ruin your day and stick out in your mind more.

[@alphabread]

The opposite can also happen, you could be having a bad period where even one nice thing can stay in your mind.

[@duckribbons7418]

It's like seeing a black dot in a white paper and seeing a white dot in a black paper. It tends to stand out

[@jacobblanton5179]

@@alphabread True but people are naturally more negative minded, because we look out for the things that can harm us in order to defend ourselves

[@ibigfire]

Yep. So we need to make sure not to make those types of negative comments ourselves. They absolutely have an effect on people, whether it seems to at the time or not.

[@ibigfire]

@Azathot Sleeping Chaos Only if done incredibly carefully and constructively and, though admittedly not always, often best done by someone the person receiving the comment trusts. It should also be done while pointing out the positives too. "This and this and this was really good for these reasons, but this seems like it could use some work to help make this better in this way." would be a pretty good format for constructive criticism type comments. Unfortunately most negative comments are more like "You suck, why don't you do this other thing I like? I really hated when you did this." or often much worse, and that kinda thing just wears on people and causes harm without benefit.

[@gamrage]

I wish people would stop being so critical of her. She may appear to be strong willed on the surface but anyone who's watched her long enough can tell that she's one of the most critical on herself and the most sensitive to criticism. I'm happiest watching her when she's just simply having fun. I can't tell others to be the same way but at least consider the feelings of the person you're criticizing.

[@djinn666]

She really has 0 defense. She should take a page from Amelia's book and tell people she'll ground pound their mom if they don't stop shit-talking.

[@ChronicalV]

You can never stop these people, don't waste your breath

[@gravls2128]

@Rip Tide except they just doing this kinds of tournament for fun Not for the eSports kind of tournament People really need to chill down and remember that in the end they are not an esport pro but an entertainer for their respective viewers Cus this shit don't happen to Matsuri only they attack fubuki and other holo member that joins the tournament Except for ayame

[@ferchango6359]

@@djinn666 Not many people can pull that off which sucks, Matsuri and some others are too good of people to tell that to someone.

[@gravls2128]

@Rip Tide lol I play this game apex and PUBG ranked even the community is toxic as hell maybe like you do, You and the other need to know that behind those avatars there are real people they job is to entertain not to play serious, if you want to watch competitive shit there are many platform in the internet rather than blaming vtuber for being a drag on a tournament that literally just for fun, Have you seen the previous tournament they held? The interviewer is literally just 3 comedians who only knew a lil bit about the game, Again and again till blockheaded people like you understand this is for entertainment not for serious sport If you gonna reply with stuff like"well they shouldn't held this kind of tournament if it's just for entertainment " Then you shouldn't reply to me ever again cus it's their own fucking choice to do it they are their own person and i respect their choice to make a fun tournament for the vtuber community.

[@wholesomedegenerate869]

As a similar type of gamer as Matsuri,(in any game I prefer choosing characters or classes that doesn't do too much to avoid attention) I really feel bad that some people expects too much from these type of gameplay. It is really lovely how Matsuri tried her best and is open for these types of conversation. Matsuri tried her best, let's support her bros

[@yubikamikaze2075]

The problem with most of the games is that people only wants to do damage and kill everybody, fogetting that there are other clases just like the defensive ones that are truly helpful in a team, and they become like those guys that hate those kind of roles, and they also forgot that she was on a TEAM, your suposse to play like a team not run like a idiot killing everyone or going 1 vs all, any other role that isn't an hyper carry is very underrated

[@aschenwolf913]

Yeah! Like in the rpg almost nobody recognize buffers or healers efforts, I mean, they are the ones who keep all the team alive, and thx to them the dmg dealer or the tank can be the star and take all the credit... Some people I have known said to me that I was behind them not doing anything to the raid boss, duh!! Im busy draining all my f..ing mana and potions just to keep alive my teammates and you to shine stupid warrior... Not the best memories from my lineage times though

[@luisecontrerasc2905]

Idk if my games are a god reference, but i also feel like this when playing LoL or Fortnite with friends. I play the role of support in both, cuz i like helping more than going all out in fights. This roles takes a lot of vision, timings and items to stay usefull for all the team, but of course you lack sometimes the damage and tankiness that would like to have. Even if i dont get recognized by the whole team, i feel great when my team wins or gets a high place, but a bit lonely because no1 sees what i did for them.

[@yubikamikaze2075]

@@luisecontrerasc2905 yeah me too, but the problem is when idiots like those guys start to bully the support role making even less people wanting to play as that role or even play the game

[@Yamadaaaa009]

Characters don't really matter too much in terms of personal skill. You may choose to pick defensive characters and play it aggressively if you've got the skill (especially in a game like Apex). You can play as a support character and still play badly as a support or kill players be sheer skill. People are just expecting too much out of Matsuri which only puts too much pressure on her. Let her enjoy the game while getting better at it, no point in getting better when you feel frustrated doing it.

[@Kaimine08]

You don't often see Matsuri like this. It really shows that there is a person behind the face and she deserves a lot of respect for not only participating in a tournament but trying to be entertaining during it.

[@pakxenon]

Matsuri is always such a sweet girl, elevating everyone around her before she got to her own issues. Such a kind heart.

[@marcohindrawan]

"You're dragging the team down" All the rabbit in the rabbit hole: "I think you are the one going down sir"

[@isee4528]

I really want to kill people like that

[@g-man1440]

Don't worry all our hands from down the hole will drag them down and oh no it's not gonna be gud

[@SteelShroom256]

*(Y) Shame*

[@marcohindrawan]

@@isee4528 please don't if u end up in jail u can't enjoy vtuber anymore man :D

[@marcohindrawan]

@@g-man1440 how about drag them down into graveyard hole

[@namae3]

Poor Matsuri, she is such a sweet girl. I'm sure it's extremely hard to increase your skill at a game like this when most of your time is used up with other types of streaming, not to mention all the dance practice and stuff. Then on top of that you have a loud group of people complaining when you stream it

[@raccoonchild]

Playing games is supposed to be fun... why are random sweaty bastards trying to make it look like it's not about that. Sad times.

[@samuelm2223]

@@raccoonchild nah, games are about the win what you talking about?

[@raccoonchild]

@@samuelm2223 The most American thing I've read today ←Not American

[@samuelm2223]

@@raccoonchild i didn't get it bro

[@raccoonchild]

@@samuelm2223 I'm just saying your comment sounded like something a gringo would say. Like a stereotypical dad who throws a fit because his son didn't win the first prize in [insert kid event here]

[@HeavenFailed]

man that was heavy. matsuri's voice at the end broke me inside.

[@lolsenpai2441]

まつりの泣き声を聞くのはとても痛い。彼女はただ楽しんでいただけで、何が問題なのですか？一部の人々はこれを止める必要があります。彼らは社会で有毒です。

[@0ptriX]

0:57 A more suitable translation is "You're dragging the team down". In English, pulling someone's leg is to tell someone a small lie to joke with them.

[@izayaorihara8075]

Dude seeing a girl's tear make my heart shatter. She is literally trying her best and still gets to hear those words. This is unacceptable.

[@m4x927]

Sadly there will always be these people, can't be helped.

[@daruma56563]

For me, seeing someone, female or male, get scorned after they did their best effort, anger me the most.

[@cc9787]

Im not even in the mood to make the ina pun.... Fck these guys

[@littlekatyush2110]

Those keyboard warrior need to get slapped in real

[@zero9112]

I actually feel a bit of an attraction to cute crying girls. It’s a quirk I developed back from my college days when I would get close to sad girls to manipulate. Too bad she is distracted and can’t concentrate on having fun.

[@theprosico4092]

Trolls need to understand that Vtubers are people. They read the comments and they have feelings.

[@akagi9537]

Isn't that literally the reason why they're trolls in the first place? They like to see people suffer and depressed and shit. Their motto is like "If i can't be happy, then others shouldn't be allowed to as well!" type of crap. Why do you think antis exist that literally destroys the careers of vtubers and even goes as far as to harass them irl as well? My point being, no matter how much we try to voice out our thoughts against the haters, they will not just simply obey and apologize to the people they harass. As long as there are people that they can piss off, they WILL keep on doing so. The only thing that we can do, as a viewer and as a fellow human being, is to give her words of encouragement instead to help her strenghten her mentality against trolls and haters. It's the only thing the streamer can do so that she can withstand their attempts of criticism against her.

[@ULTrANIUM1947]

Me don't really care if matsuri losses tho as long matsuri happy play apex it's fine to me well that's my opinion tho

[@reeeeee987]

They don't care, they all just wanted attention that their parents never give

[@shaonian]

It would bring joy to hearts of the people who do this to see her cry. It's up to the mods to deal with these people. I have seen the mods of independent vtubers deal with trolls and they are very effective. It can be done.

[@ParabolicBox]

You might expecting too much if you think human-shaped garbage have compassion and empathy.

[@bonkersbear5347]

I'm really glad to hear Kaga and Towa have Matsuri's back, but it's really upsetting to hear how people treated Matsuri who's just trying her best where she feels she can contribute the most. I get people get heated during PvP games, especially when it's something as competitive as a Tournament even if it's just for fun, but it doesn't give people an excuse to treat her the way they did... and most people like me would tell people like that to F off, but it always amazes me how our Idols despite taking such comments don't retaliate, but humbly take those words and try to do better. The people who said the things they did to Matsuri don't deserve that, but yet, they're always reminding us how amazing they can be in the face of adversity. I'll keep rooting for team Matsuri, Kaga, and Towa even more now. I hope the three of them stick together, and I hope the next time they have fun instead of taking this crap... and I feel that's more important here than winning it all, we often forget the journey is just as, if not more important than the Destination. Also, thank you for this Translation, as someone who can't speak Japanese and only knows basic words, this is the only window into knowing what our Idols go through during their streams, and despite spending my time in Towa's streams mainly, I would of never knew what Matsuri was going through, nor her relationship with Towa and Kaga. Will definitely give them a Follow after this comment.

[@CubeBizz]

Hololive is a family, they have each others' backs

[@Ashuowl]

People ought to learn eventually that not everything has to be taken seriously. Literally none of these girls competes on a professional level, not this team, not any other team, no one here is an actual professional apex player, this isn't a professional tournament with $100k on stake. It's just a tournament with no prize pool, amongst friends and friends of friends, with fun as the main focus. Fun is probably a word the people typing stuff like this don't understand, which is quite sad. To put this into a perspective you might have an easier time to understand.. You're basically just telling some young girl she's useless. There's nothing else to it. Doesn't matter if it's a game or you're in a chat or if the person streams or not. All you're doing, is telling a young girl that she's useless. Would you call your sister useless for having fun playing a game? And continue barratting her even though it's obvious it's upsetting her? If the answer to that is yes, you need to see a fucking doctor, because something is seriously wrong with you.

[@Pepe-dq2ib]

Thats not true, the ones with personal coaches were playing more serious. The teams with coaches didn't receive these types of comments that Matsuri and Towa got. Holostars is one of few that had a coach and they were playing serious. I watched all of Astel's scrims and the chat was all positive in both EN and JP. There were plenty of other teams just playing for fun and if the viewers wanted to follow a serious team, they should've watch the other streams. I think they didn't because they only know of Hololive.

[@wyewengchiu583]

@@Pepe-dq2ib that just happens to be RAG's case. In previous vtuber tournament or CR cup (teams with vtuber), i followed NsN's chi-chan and she received a lot of message from anti's even when team had 3 coaches. Even outside of tournaments some of them still continue to receive hate messages. people just like to shit on under-performing teams

[@Pepe-dq2ib]

@@wyewengchiu583 the Chichan thing is different because they thought she was disrespecting her coaches, but they were just teasing around. It became worse when Chichan double down and made a sarcastic joke later towards her coach. Winning the second vtuber tournament was redemption for her.

[@wyewengchiu583]

@@Pepe-dq2ib im not referring to her yukio and hendy playing together. she got alot of hate saying she should not play wraith and let kuzuha play instead when they in a team together.

[@profesercreeper]

I would say you would try to take things like this seriously and try to compete at your beat. Your explanation of not taking everything seriously won’t fit in all criteria’s since it can also just be an excuse to be lazy and will just make it harder for you to improve. Just because it isn’t a big professional tournament with a large prize pool doesn’t mean you can’t take it seriously. For example I have had tournaments with my friends but if you don’t take it seriously you basically insulting everyone else. Yes, you are there to play against or with your friends but you are also trying to win. One thing I have to agree though is that they really shouldn’t berate her for this, she is trying her best and just isn’t at the skill level people expect her to be at. You can only improve by continuing to play and such.

[@AshuragaBenign]

There are times when people just lose their brain cells for no reason, this is one of those moments.

[@stedeestelle2866]

I just want Matsuri to be happy, man. She at least deserves to play games she enjoys.

[@minaxn]

they just doing some tournament for fun ma dude, why those people can't even have fun, she is not a shroud neither a damn prodigy fps gamer. she is just a normal teenager girl who loves plays some games and share the joy with us.. anyway, big loves for matsuri ♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡

[@nazaG_89]

probably those white knight of towa that make her the scapegoat

[@digivagrant]

sweaty gamers be sweaty

[@markustanbeck9149]

@@digivagrant Imagine tying your self-worth to whether you do well in a video game, and then projecting your personal need to do well in said game, on to others, as a means to feel good about yourself, by putting them down. These people are sad - Matsuri was just trying to have fun!

[@rennacy5729]

@@nazaG_89 i dont think so, if u watch towa stream some of them are also flamming her for being a burden too, its just the stupid viewer who cant take fun as a thing Plus this drama not just happen in tms team, team fubuki also got this drama but fubuki just ignore it

[@louiscypher4186]

@@rennacy5729 I think there popular enough to get proper Apex fans watching which is why there's so much hate as they expect a certain level of hate. Just a thought i don't watch any Apex streams so i don't know what happens.

[@KellyChan123]

"It's only a game, why you haff to be mad?"

[@alexanderholzer7392]

@@ameame32 No, it isn't. "You're just jealous" is an extremely common accusation because people want to try to find a way to expose some kind of insecurity in those they think are bad or are doing bad things. I can guarantee you that not a single one of the pricks who wrote mean comments is acting out of "jealousy"; the reality is that they simply don't care that it'll hurt her feelings, don't care that it's just a game for fun (not that it would be appropriate to say such things were it professional anyways), and overall are simply mean-spirited types. I agree that they're bastards, but "jealous" is often simply not the case. Many people are just assholes to streamers. So it was, so it is, and so it always will be. I mean, how many times have you run into someone in your daily life who's extraordinarily rude and mean for no reason? It probably happens somewhat occasionally, especially if you work in the service industry or any other occupation where you deal with a lot of people. Well, now imagine that they can hide behind anonymity, there's not really a chance the streamer can retort, and there are thousands of random people from all over the world dropping in in such a short period of time. It's a shame, but it's going to happen.

[@Pepe-dq2ib]

@@alexanderholzer7392 it doesn't matter, they are just playing for fun. People just expected them to play serious like some of the other teams with personal coaches. People should already know TMS was just having fun when they didn't have Sumire play Wraith. They should be watching other teams if they wanted to follow teams that was serious, but i think they didn't because they only know of Hololive.

[@carlosraruto]

Forget the game part, just don't be an as*hat, period.

[@ishallwait4687]

@@Pepe-dq2ib Was it the antis who told bad things about matsuri?

[@Pepe-dq2ib]

@@ishallwait4687 don't think so, it's just backseaters that you normally see in game streams, but more intense since it's a tournament that only happens every 6 months.

[@originalequinox]

Personally, i don't care how "good" or "bad" people in my online matches are, as long as they are genuinely trying their best and not being toxic, wish more people would think that way

[@bigfrogs4462]

Next time Matsuri is in a tournament we all gotta show her unbelievable amounts of love. just the most wholesome shit imaginable.

[@RavensEagle]

Thanks for translating ❤️ Matsuri didn't deserve the Hate tbh

[@salem2997]

And now, you have officially carried it too far, buddy.

[@Verxx-sc2tl]

This month only we already got two of the most cheerful holomembers cry because of comments

[@irvines3583]

Who's the other one ?

[@fdnt7_]

@@irvines3583 maybe ollie ? In her minecraft stream

[@Verxx-sc2tl]

@@irvines3583 Ollie

[@rataarctica]

Wait what!? I need to see that, what the hell. 😡

[@rssyng]

@@rataarctica ollie in her late night minecrsft video. check the comment for timestamp

[@stephensaikawa]

Damm it really hurts to see her cry. It's just a game man grow up, I never thought that I would see her crying but here I am feeling sad. Don't forget Matsuri, "Even if there are 100s of people hating you there will 1000s more supporting you" Quote by Kelanduo

[@Archedgar]

Matsuri-chan's heart is frail like glass and worthy of being loved.

[@einsokol7067]

I think we all feel a certain way about the people saying all those mean things, but on a more positive note, it really amazes me how strong Matsuri is. Despite being hurt by the negativity she still decides to do what she loves. To see her keep going despite the pain is inspiring. And I'm so glad she's got supportive friends at her side. She really deserves the world.

[@kuackw]

I started to feel that Viewers thought of streamer and some kind of e-sports streamer is same. They think that any streamers MUST be and SHOULD be pro at certain game or any games. Smh I mean hololive steamer is for entertainment, they entertain us. So the feedback is to support them thats it. No need to make them down.

[@karuoanimation]

Welp bois its time to break the 2mil superchat record Let's make our god happy

[@KEN-nh7om]

Thank you for the TL and clip. Went straight to Matsuri's video to leave her a comment, whether she reads it or not wanted to let her know how much we love and support her.

[@speedcatlord4919]

1:47 the way she said "I'm sorry" really breaks my heart...

[@OgeyRrat110]

That's why I sometimes get annoyed when some people comments "This is a pain to watch" when any of the girls we're playing not efficiently and they want them to do this or that. I mean it's ok to give them advice but if the girls want to do it their way then just cheer them on, it's not like they're a pro player and doesn't need to do everything perfect.

[@kaleria608]

My response to those people: "If it's so painful, don't watch." It's not a hard concept really, no one is forcing anyone to watch a stream they're not enjoying. Also, unsolicited advice, be it helpful in your eyes or not, is still unsolicited and can easily be taken as trying to tell them what to do and not as trying to help. If they didn't ask for it, you're better off keeping your comments to yourself and either enjoying them for the way they play or just leaving.

[@ReikiMaulana]

I only said "this is painful to watch" only when things are getting awkward.. Not because they're bad at what they're doing lol

[@purrfekt]

The only time when that kind of comment is acceptable is when it's Haachama Cooking and those comments are intended, and even encouraged by the Eldritch one herself.

[@yuuki_0112]

@@ameame32 Give them a nice slap in the face lol

[@SoraRaida]

@@kaleria608 I really respect people like you o7 "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should"

[@asterbel2895]

People like them is why we can’t have nice thing I hope Matsuri will stay strong...

[@Rpgotoko]

people can be so mean toward streamers show the support of oversea bro in her next Apex stream don't let bad comment get to her don't let her cry from sadness only happiness

[@coolice5786]

Just drown the hate with support! ❤

[@yahae6673]

"Support from oversea" when literally 90% of support which is called superchats is coming from jp bros. But ye, unfortunately it also comes with extreme toxicity and a harsher obsession from them.

[@ralph1831]

At the end of the video, when she tried to show a cheerful voice but ends up crying it breaks my heart.

[@hiiragihasmanywaifu]

Didnt know this was clipped and glad that this reached to lots of people and supports Matsuri-chan Im not an apex player but i enjoy watching matsuri. And those antis r really just living with hatred, as if they're the one entering the tournament. It's up to the players to enjoy and just do their best. Matsuri and everyone competing while having fun is a winning scenario.

[@ezramccartney5664]

Matsuri is the one who took part in the legendary apex tournament, why are you guys busy arranging her playing style anyway? You can't control a person's playing style, unless that person asks for it also even if it's a tournament at least let her have fun and enjoy the game

[@ezramccartney5664]

@@ameame32 I thought maybe they felt they were the best at playing the Apex Legend wwwww also maybe the viewer was a little disappointed with her, but as long as we just know, Matsuri is who plays the game so just let her do as she want to play, we should just sit back and enjoy her playing

[@ezramccartney5664]

@Aomine Daiki hummu ... I think so, let's support Matsuri!

[@tuck234]

@@ameame32 It's kinda like projecting what they experience onto the person in a way. I think they (I am giving benefit of the doubt they do follow Matsuri as fans) do want Matsuri to enjoy the game, but I think they inadvertently throw their own frustrations at her for not doing what they believe would be a better experience. I remember PlagueofGripes here on YT mentioned when he started getting into Vtubers that he noticed a lot of people in chat tend to try and steer said vtuber on certain games. Undertale was one that came to mind when I first watched Matsuri play it. A kind of weird vicarious sort of thing where said fans were trying to live that same moment they felt in that game when they played thru that person(vtuber in this case) so they experience what they felt from the game. Kinda like I guess say you watched a movie you thought was super amazing or a super funny YT video like say your fave Vtuber to a friend you think may be interested in Vtubers too. You'll notice they aren't watching the movie or video, but rather the friend to see their reaction and sort of feed this vicarious desire to hopefully see them react the way you did when you first seen it.

[@tuck234]

@@ameame32 Well, I was basically agreeing with what you said. Just adding another perspective to the possible motive. Not justifying the action, but throwing in a common motive as to why they do it. It was mainly a reply to your last statement of "I wonder why people are like this they want people to play like what they want people to play."

[@zachsouth314]

Backseat gamers make a terrible audience unfortunately, and they're always vocal.

[@rataarctica]

Ssss, no, i don't think those were backsearers...

[@TitanTankerGaming]

Those self-entitled apex normies should just stay away from vtubers world, fkin annoying really

[@langbi194]

I noticed it’s none of the English viewers being rude

[@shadowmbj]

Anya already sent her chat basically f off because of the backseating recently she also said that she is not a good girl like Ollie

[@whoami1449]

@@shadowmbj anya's case is different. Her chat is only saying for her to open the rulebook.that for some reason she wont do even after literally 90% of chat told her so, even while she was strugling. She wont listen. Or at least that is what i see until i cant take stop myself from spamming and just watch some other stream.

[@vanguardduelist]

This made me mad. I hate people who make rude or mean comments like that.

[@johnpaulo5843]

AND NOW SHE'S 1ST PLACE ON NIJISANJI TOURNMENT. LETS GOOOOOOOOOO

[@Heavenly_Demon_God]

Wait what for real

[@omaru6242]

I think we all agree when I say that just seeing Matsuri happy is enough for us to be happy to

[@sfrums5447]

Man, just why would they said that

[@foot5009]

Its normal for a game to have toxic gamers

[@Lafter-san]

You would be surprised on what they're talking about in w*rosu

[@wenskaazcarraga5216]

@@Lafter-san that goddamn shithole huh...

[@TsukimiAsep]

i though japanese people is kind to vtuber, well.... seems i wrong

[@orcus6893]

@Chad Yusuke for me i adapt depending on the situation, if i encounter a toxic gamer i will be toxic to that one player but if there is no toxic player in a match i won't be toxic, toxicity is useful skill when you are playing a t SEA server which is a cesspool of toxic players

[@arkanalf715]

First i heard Ollie cry and then Matsuri😥 Oh God no

[@AngryGerbils]

Decent people everywhere: "That's awfully big talk for someone in headshot range."

[@leamncd]

I'm not a Matsuri fan, but I do mean it when I say that I admire her resolute attitude. Despite knowing that she's not as skilled as others and would be critisized, she still chose to play in tournaments all because she simply likes the game. I think that's really admirable.

[@Daivd1111]

This makes me love her even more. Stay strong and keep playing, matsuri, forget about the haters.

[@kanzaki2672]

Someone really have the audacity to say that word to Matsuri, huh.

[@yurimyoui4663]

People did the same with Nijisanji's Yuki Chihiro, i don't understand what's wrong with this type of viewers. The streamers are doing their best, but have to deal with this kind of childish people.

[@aminazman9311]

Streamers, or should i say entertainers need to be mentally strong and learn to give a middle finger to those haters. Ugh, i hate antis so much

[@raymond3586]

@@aminazman9311 her case was really bad though. I don’t know the details too much but she got thousands of dislikes before.... and she still gets a few hundreds. But guess what her team won the tournament so those antis can go suck a fat one

[@aminazman9311]

@@raymond3586 imagine pissed off about someone else's gameplay. How stupid is that

[@laserdemonfrostmage8421]

Funny thing is that she was the most skilled out of the the trio at the time. And it showed up so much recently.

[@antoineluc8759]

@@aminazman9311 it’s either people people playing as bad as her (idk know her level i didn’t watch the stream), frustrated about their own level but who need to insult people of their level to convince themselves that they are better (yes it’s fucked up but this thing is real, i know this kind of stuff especially from league of legend but it’s the same for all competitive games) or stupid brats who just can’t understand the fact that you can play a competition for fun I guess they can just be human pieces of shit but i prefer to think that they have at least a reason, as ridiculous as it can be

[@NumbingDisasterAnon]

Hence why I don’t bother with competitive anything Ain’t worth the energy and sanity

[@youraveragegamer8832]

If you're a streamer it sucks. Personally I enjoy competitive gameplay, but people do take it way to fucking seriously and then shit like this happens. I either block messages or read them and laugh if they're mean

[@lknisha]

as sad as I said this, it's streamer's life. Recently Anya had to deal with backseaters on fricking Papers, please - a literal puzzle game with no competition side on it whatsoever.

[@jty9631]

You're right though, competitive stuff can really be a drain on your life if you don't have the energy to spare. I remember entering some leagues and had a lot of fun, almost won got 2nd place against some tough competition, but what I got out of it was becoming very tired, and not really satisfied at all. Had to give it up, even though I still remember those times with good memories and miss my teammates.

[@Harkz0r]

I did the whole competitive thing when I was younger. Went to a few LANs, met some great people. Wasn't pro level but was decent enough. Internet was different back then though, streaming wasn't such a big thing like it is these days. The thing is, people that throw hate at you don't really know you. They're responding to their perception of you in their head, they don't know you as a person. That's why I never really took it personally, everyone had their own preconceptions. People I had barely even spoken to called me arrogant just because I was decent at the game, but not one of them spoke to me on an individual level. (Apart from one of them who was nice in person but a snake online, go figure.) I never played competitively for other people, though. It was more about proving something to myself, or seeing how good I can get out of curiosity. Other people were, in a sense, just external markers of my own progress. Sure, I'd rage and I'd get pissed off, but it was rarely directed at others, even if I took it out on them. But because I'm a fairly private person, I wouldn't want the pressure of an audience following my every move unless I was already confident. I couldn't imagine having to display my anxious/insecure side to "the world" like that.

[@BullseyeRey]

@@youraveragegamer8832 People react to things differently.

[@noraneko8926]

I've never play Apex before (been avoiding Battleroyale genre for about a year), but I'm pretty sure she good at it. She also like to train before a big tournament, that also mean she pushed herself to be better at it when the time comes. She really did her best to not dragging her team down, yet some people said otherwise....

[@kaizench551]

"Its just a game, why you have to be mad."

[@rillzy9637]

As much as I hate gatekeeping I hope people like this never find the rabbit hole.

[@gilgameshlfx7006]

Gatekeeping is necessary. There is too many idiots that came into the community and expected the entire community to follow them, which in reality it should be the other way around. Newcomers should follow the norms of the community. This happens to Nasuverse community before, during the rising popularity of Fate/Zero, so I understand how bad it is.

[@Cat-Daddy]

i'll weld the damn gate shut if it would prevent more shit like this

[@hemakodaaa]

"you didn't do anything" Said the person staring at their device

[@colorfulsouls4050]

God it HURTS having to hear her do her outro with her cute voice when she is clearly fighting through tears Aaaand I'm sad

[@kelanduo5448]

So this is the reason behind a message to matsuri.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Yep. A message delivered late, but better than never. And one she *_NEVER_* forgot.

[@Anima_Man_]

im so sorry for ur loss.If i really hope ur friend is up there enjoying and having the time of his life supporting hololive even from above.

[@cry9438]

Another great channel who covers what others didin't. *Yet another great find!*

[@bosscyan7726]

Ok so what did I hear. People are calling Matsuri useless for playing defensive characters that don't really do anything flashy but are helpful to the team, her voice broke and she was crying, and she's still trying her best despite all of this. And this is why, right here, we support this girl here who's playing the game *for fun* and because she likes the game.

[@sayhitothelittlegonk1310]

This is why backseat gaming is a sin that needs to be cleansed.

[@assaulthetz380]

There's no good backseaters, i know that- even as a backseater myself, but only, ONLY if the person asked some help we do give hints and clues to help the streamer to the games we once played. Not give involuntary critics or spams. I am a backseater, but i do not go so far on that scale. Yet this is an FPS where people is much harder on their methods.... in that way i really want that to disappear- since most of them do not want to play just to have fun, they want to play to be competitive.... it is the same thing when they see a person lacking on those sorts of actions. I kind of want to slap their face for making her cry like this- that is what i want to be cleansed..

[@alexanderholzer7392]

Even when it doesn't bother the streamer or hurt their feelings, it's just so fucking obnoxious. The ones that are especially obnoxious are when it's somebody who's been playing for years, watching pro players and learning pro strats insulting a streamer who only plays casually. Man I hate backseaters.

[@JustRigel-k4w]

Is giving tips backseating?

[@JustRigel-k4w]

Is backseating when you insult someone for not playing the game right

[@rattango9819]

@@JustRigel-k4w imagine someone is driving a car, and you berate the driver on where to go, how to go there, mock them, and to some degree try to control the car from the backseat. That should clear up on backseating in gaming.

[@redvelvetcake734]

Woww, she really really love her fans and this is what she get? Hopefully some of those people aren’t her matsurisu. Stay well matsuri!

[@takopat]

I've never watched her play but as a Wattson main, I totally know how it feels. Don't worry Matsuri, just play how you feel!

[@demeyesoftheuniverse8170]

As the dedicated support/healer of my group in games, this cut deep. I know this feel all too well.

[@jjcheng8647]

All that matters is having fun with your friends

[@kentangtape1681]

Well, in niji this happen a lot of times. Like chii-chan case. She decided to rest from vtuber activities like a week or more cause many people trash talk about her skill in apex. In previous cr cup, kuzuha got many trash talk and backseating with hate while practice stream for cr cup. They really need to learn how to behave.

[@celebesrat4997]

bro ... I had no idea about that ... it literally made me cry ... even if I'm not a big fan of Nijisanji

[@boeman6702]

@@celebesrat4997 Chihiro was legit crying and Kuzuha and Kanaede had to cheer her up mid stream. She was okay at first, but when she looked at (im not sure whether it was Kuzuha or Kanade)'s chat, she saw many people comforting her and telling her that its alright so she started to cry

[@ferchango6359]

Bro... they really need Moderators lmao.

[@weavelcow9596]

Yeah I remember that, it's a shame that there are people who will always make comments like that. They always show no respect to not only the streamer but also the viewers who are there to support them.

[@iexistiguess1920]

@@weavelcow9596 Well who’s gonna punish them? The internet police? You can literally get away with saying the nastiest stuff on the internet, and you won’t suffer any consequence whatsoever. It honestly sucks that streamers have to deal with this crap on a possibly daily level if they’re unlucky enough.

[@killwolf3935]

she to cute to be mad at people just let her do what she want she a person

[@kiki-ey9se]

Keep playing Matsuri, prove those antis wrong by getting better at the game, don't let their toxic behavior discourage you from playing Apex, continue playing like how you always did and we will all be here to support you!! -

[@Mestari1Gaming]

poor Matsuri! We all love her! She is the best.

[@yuuki_0112]

The fact that Matsuri change to use Bloodhound already shown us how much she was willing to do for the team. These mean comments...they know nothing. I stayed at her stream the whole tournament because I love how she's willing to change her character to support her team and the effort she put in every round.

[@presidentsquidward1525]

She really did her best. It's just not her lucky day.

[@blocked1232]

I'm not in the mood to feel sad right now so I'll just watch this later

[@Red-hg6jx]

The people that are hating on her are just low ranking plebs that don't even know how to play.

[@kazumiryuuken1814]

That is usualy how it goes yes, i remember when i watched league streams, a chat full of bronze players were telling a gold to plat player how to play. No mather the stream, there will always be those "specialists" that know everything.

[@sinisterpanda2738]

@@kazumiryuuken1814 "backseating" right?

[@koe3588]

@@kazumiryuuken1814 Maybe they do actually have the game knowledge but no hands?

[@kazumiryuuken1814]

@@koe3588 yeah but a lot of the times i've seem people say things that were right, the streamer also figured it out after the mistake or didn't do them on purpose because they found the alternative more fun. That's why chat should backsit when asked.

[@summerrose7650]

Gosh dang she's so strong. And now I'm crying... GG Matsuri! Keep up the good fight!

[@iron54766]

This gives me chills. Sometimes there are these people who has a tournament mindset is very critical to the players. Making these players to be pressured to so better. I miss the days where tournaments were made for fun.

[@k1ra383]

The fact that some people choose to say "You are not playing aggressive" to a character who is supposed to be played defensively says a lot about those people

[@usermanager8942]

the life of a blood main smh

[@utube649]

Are you saying bloodhound is a character that’s suppose to be played defensively?

[@deinmiltrochivasky7103]

Bloodhound is the most offensive character just below Wraith lol. Nonetheless, it's a tournament made for fun, and kids stuck in platinum shouldn't spit their nonsense.

[@utube649]

@@deinmiltrochivasky7103 I agree with what you said. It’s obviously not fair for her to be hated on but if people are going to talk about the game and characters, they should at least know what they’re talking about

[@unogal5906]

Support bloodhound doesn't sound too bad actually. The q ability gives so much information for the team that you don't actually have to go all in for no reason but can go for a calculated play. Aggressiveness also depends on one's load out. And one's load out is usually customised to one's playstyle. The way one plays is more about the guns they have rather than their abilities unless you are an octane lol.

[@woof_woofie]

Some men just want to watch the world burn - Alfred

[@syahmisimrans4958]

who the hell said that??? whoever said that,they must really prepare for a war!!!!this is legit making my blood boil

[@ian-hy9ku]

tht was sad but glad she was able to keep positive about it at the end and ready to try again like a true gamer , props

[@Ice-mg5pr]

Matsuri is so amazingly strong. Not only to be able to take those kinds of comments and decide to keep going, but to also speak about them while fighting back tears. To be able to take that feeling of frustration and convert it into determination takes immense strength and willpower. Honestly, I didn't watch the tournament because I don't know much of anything about Apex, but I couldn't imagine bashing on anyone for playing one of their favorite games, no matter what level of skill they are.

[@dwyzyrfyry3340]

i kinda relate to matsuri since we almost have the same play style, more on defensive and characters who dont usually stand out. but yeah, dont know why they are hating her just because of that. i mean, if they truly watch the streams, their team composition is pretty solid, they are just unlucky sometimes.

[@Jestersage]

Well, you are likely to play on NA server, where TTVWraith Hot Drop Yolo Down DC'ed is a meme in itself. So I am curious who are these JP bros that complained. Can they even claim Plat (I think that's her rank)? 2K Badges? I mean Respawn say in S6 there's only 17.75% in plat. If they can't even claim those, they should shut it.

[@Pepe-dq2ib]

Horizon isnt a defensive character lol.

[@laserdemonfrostmage8421]

Pepe who said so lmao

[@Pepe-dq2ib]

@@laserdemonfrostmage8421 " more on defensive and characters who dont usually stand out" and Matsuri was mainly playing Horizon? Either ways, TMS and most of the vtuber tournament was just playing for fun anyways, the audience need to realize it. Just look at Noah making Bamboozle and having 3 team points left, her regular gameplay is more serious. These are who shes training with now imgur.com/a/WEuHEXG

[@aljerninosanchez6207]

I have to say people who say those like “useless or draging us down” are just assholes of course its sometimes justified but its not really a good act i usually just say “gg or just say that’s alright” its kinda sad for just a simple act can really cause a nuke or an earthquakr within a person stay strong matsuri you have my support

[@marcelherzog3735]

Those are the same type of people that shit on Iofi because she couldn´t real time translate, while playing, in that Among Us stream.

[@MoralTruth]

As long as Matsuri is having fun, that’s what matters. I’m glad she has supportive friends to play with. 💙

[@Vanekin]

I'm glad that she brought it up and not keep it to herself. Who knows how many other streamers see the few negative comments and were hurt personally but don't show it on stream. Makes me want to support them more than I already can.

[@botcchidotcchi]

First of all, the Vtubers who participated in the tournament were not professional players. Second, this Vtuber tournament was held for them to have fun and try to win, so they could feel the tournament atmosphere that they had never felt before. Even basic things like this they can't understand it, I really believe the people who say such evil things are useless societal trash that is only selfish. There is no achievement in life that they can show to the community, they are so bored that they look for other people's busyness. Sorry for bad English, I'm using Google translate. I just can't keep silent for this situation. I REALLY HOPE MATSURI WON'T TRAUMA SO SHE CAN PARTICIPATE AGAIN IN THE TOURNAMENT IN NEXT SEASON. LOVE YOU MATSURI! ❤️

[@nograsstotouch]

ah yes, the "iF yOu HaVe LeSs KilLs YoU'rE nOobZ" mentality where kills = pro even when you are playing support

[@Verxx-sc2tl]

Especially in moba

[@Razor43595]

They pretend to forget that hackers exist in games

[@MultiDraco999]

You missed the point, it shouldn't matter if she was good or the worst player on earth. It's a livestream

[@juampisito]

@@MultiDraco999 It does matter because It was a tournament but if someone is not performing well the least you can do is being supportive...not making the person feel worse.

[@MultiDraco999]

@@juampisito yes but her performance shouldn't matter, that's for her to judge, not the viewers.

[@inlean3224]

"Fuck the gameplay, i just wanna watch the girls having fun" Whats the matter If she plays badly? She is just doing her best. She is trying to be better here, no need to get that angry.

[@itsmegu9261]

this video came out right around when i just started playing apex, this is honestly one of the games i ABSOLUTELY love , I've tried cod too and some other fps games but apex just gives a different vibe, and after around 2 days of grinding as a new player, I finally have the courage to do my first ranked match.. but it didn't go as planned, the guy was very rude to me it just traumatized me to even play ranked anymore.. thank you for the translation!

[@yamiRic]

I hope she still participated next time.. I don't understand anything when I watched APEX but I cheered for TMS

[@mang_thomas4163]

matsuri: *plays differently* baskseat idiots: and i took that personally

[@jacobkrawczyk4772]

This frustrates me so much in so many ways that I don't even know where to start. In any case, though it would be no less cruel and unnecessary if she was terrible, I find it especially upsetting because she's really not awful at the game. She's not amazing, she slips under pressure sometimes, and like anyone she has places to improve - but she competes at Diamond in solo, which, if you look at player distribution, is a pretty small percentage. Hell, even if you rate her actual skill as Gold it's still in the top half. I'm no Apex expert, but looking at raw numbers I'd say that's not bad at all, and she's always working hard at improving. So she underperformed at the tournament, so what? She's fighting to improve at something she loves, and we should support that. And if your reason for getting angry is that she dragged down a teammate who you wanted to do better, then consider that they, too, wouldn't have worked with her if they didn't think she could keep up with them.

[@weebman9762]

Imagine getting salty over someone playing games

[@juampisito]

That's understandable. What is not understandable is telling someone he/she is useless. Only if they ask for criticism you should say in what they should improve.

[@snø_music0]

@@juampisito its literally a joke. she just took it way to serious

[@durakeno5575]

@@snø_music0 It's coupled with frustration. Besides, that's disgustingly tasteless joke in this context.

[@rafiqhazarry2465]

@@snø_music0 a joke huh..

[@DD-bw1xb]

@@snø_music0 every person have a different feeling, don’t judge all the people it’s same. Maybe it’s a joke for you but not for matsuri

[@aldrichfran8186]

hearing Matsuri cries breaks my heart man!

[@Saiph_and_Sound]

Man this hurts to watch. It breaks my heart to see someone who tries their best feel so bad. Especially if you can relate to those feelings she has. You know some of how she feels in this moment and empathize so much more with her. I this never happens again.

[@aureum5484]

Imagine waking up and choosing violence, like why? What’s the point? Are your parents not disappointed enough in you?

[@フェフ]

"You're dragging the whole team down" Little did they know that they've placed 16th and won a PC for each, so it's a win on other things

[@presidentsquidward1525]

And her team didn't mad at her either. They had fun with it.

[@blandon93]

Did she play bad or not? Also apex is not mega popular, top 16 out of how many teams? 32? 64? 128?

[@フェフ]

@@blandon93 16 out of 20

[@beepboop3808]

@@フェフ oh wait, I thought they were dead last. Then if that's the case, then did the 17-20 teams also got a PC? Or only the 16th place got it?

[@フェフ]

@@beepboop3808 only 1st and 16th, 17th-20th get nothing iirc

[@Jairoppi]

*"If you're not a good shot today.. don't worry, there are other ways to be useful"* Supports/Defensive/Crowd-control/Medic users get little-to-no appreciation in games, can confirm as i filled support in League for at least 6 months and currently a fill in Sentinel/Controller in Valorant..

[@nafidiinnaufal7665]

thats sova quote, i quite liked it

[@_mantis]

Same, man. Supports are really crucial in the game tho

[@whitefanful]

Supports and defenses are needed DPS are just convenient to have. If all classes can deal damage then DPS are the only type that by defeat is not 'needed'

[@HaiseKuromeruMMD]

Really like that quote from Sova

[@urprismkfpadsmanagement6744]

even when Notail who win 2 times TI Winner(Dota 2), still got little to no appreciation and people says its because all the people in OG team who carry him

[@jasondom342]

This hurt to watch. Bro, those type of people are annoying. I don’t watch Matsuri’s streams because of what she’s doing or playing, I watch them because she’s the one who’s playing or doing what she is. I watch her for her, not for the things she does. She’s doing her best and having fun, sharing it with her fans is something she doesn’t have to do. It honestly hurt to hear Matsuri cry because of the comments.

[@Fordrake21]

Instead of encouraging her with good comments to give her a boost they give her crappy comments like that... what a shameful display of what a fan should not do...