Hon Toba Oke: The main reason Shina Peters & King Sunny Ade are not allies is the involvement of

Hon Oloruntoba Oke is Sir Shina Peters' childhood friend. He sure has depth of information about music.
I bet you'll enjoy his session.

[@ade1942000]

These interviews are so very important for our musical history. They have to be archived.

[@SemiuBello-th7oe]

Chief Olu Abiola from Ilesa. He lived in Olu Abiola close, Ilesa, Osun State.

[@aydeykampe1889]

God will bless you real good. I accosted SSP (about 2002 thereabouts) when he came to play in my LSDPC Estate at Meiran on THIS SAME guitar matter. That music is all about entertainment, that he has this unequalled wizardry on the guitar and that was what gave him the great fame! Even in ACE, he played a solo masterpiece immediately after ‘orin ayo lenu Shina Peters, orin ayo lenu re o ha ha ha ha ha emi pelu won ni yo ko, orin Shina Peter….(listen to the piece played by Shina after that chorus)).’. Pieces like that were what made his music endearing and entertaining. He is the only one that understands the dropping but it’s an undoing to his career. Awon aye buru oo!

[@omoniyikaye]

WHAT HE WAS SIMPLY SAYING IT WAS A CREATIVITY. I LOVE THE 70'S JUJU MUSIC MORE THAN EVER.

[@adewoyinadeyemi4798]

This man is highly smart and intelligent

[@phillipabayomi828]

This man is very versatile, knowledgeable and factual in all his ascension.

[@sampsonkomolafe832]

This man is saying fact a good man very straight forward man

[@akinolagbenga3503]

Hope SSP can still bring back his magic back to music. He really revolutionized Nigeria music industry. Then let him go back to his guitar

[@akinyelebalogun]

Age won't allow him, and the then team had dispersed.

[@ezecomadeeze950]

The most genuine and innocently delivered interactive interview on music and some individuals musicians in the Yoruba music genre. ❤❤❤

[@tobanestataiwooluwatoba]

What projected Ace was the fast tempo, the electric drum and how it was beaten. Shina sang off key many times, but the afro style, dance beats and the ferrity was the magic. The youth went for it. (I was in the university,then). On that, let us compare Ace with Barry At 40 or "Bafefe n fe o keyekeye ko ma je Loko awa". The fast tempo came with Barrister. Kolington tried with Ijo Yoyo. Sunny and Obey never went into such break-neck fast tempo. They tried, but never attained it, probably, because of age or style. Tempo, too, was the much difference between Haruna Ishola and Omo Wura. Ayinla was fast and aggressive while Baba Haruna Ishola was cool and patronizing. While the youth, the drivers and the artisans go for Ayinla, the elderly and the civil servants went for Haruna. Orlando and Ayinla were on the same lane, as well, Fela: aggressive, provocative, rough, ready to trade blows and undaunting. It was unfortunate, Wale glorious died young. Here, we have voice, high pitch, guitar 🎸 and tempo, like, Ndalaso, Mope Lode, etc. I disagree with the Chairman Oke, it was the Abuja concert that ditched Shina. Not many persons knew Wasiu was there. It was Shina's popularity at the time. Also, the "soonest recovery" saga. His voice, too. Not much of voice training. Segun Adewale has good voice, but he came at the wrong time; the fast tempo era. Kujoore fitted in well, like, in Super Jet, o se to gbolorin de.. Mr Adeyanju, thx for your efforts. I wish to say more, but don't want to bother you much. Between, Fuji and Juju.. well, some other time.

[@Criticalthinking01]

Say more when you get a chance. Thanks for your contribution.

[@akinyelebalogun]

Good effort from you there.

[@EmmaTaiwo]

This baba na legend on his own big respect

[@olawalefawehinmi65]

The first LP in the Juju genre was Sunny Ade's 1970 album.Sunny Ti de

[@ade1942000]

I love the man's honesty and diplomacy at the time. A very intelligent man. These interviews by these legends should be archived for history. Great journalism as always by the interviewer.

[@akinyelebalogun]

Dokpesi was a motivator and cheerful giver.

[@rotimiakilo3333]

If Sir Shina Peter's pick up his Gautier back now and begin to display his God given instrumental talent. Hmm. Juju music will hit back. I swear.

[@juliusbolarinwa7040]

Brilliant interview! A lot of RESPECT for this man,right here, Hon.Toba Oke. Very knowledgeable, very articulate, a Man! I will dub this interview SUNLIGHT. Light is thrown into a lot of issues in the Nigeria music industry....yesterday, today and perhaps some of the things that are likely to happen in the future. God bless you Guys real good.

[@olawunmiosinroluke-euba2580]

AGBALETU IS ONE OF A KIND. FANTASTIC CONCEPT. GREAT REPORTAGE 👍 KUDOS 👏

[@crown8618]

Job well done my bother...Please let's hear from Dele Taiwo. He created funky juju in those days.

[@LagboleFujiTV]

There must be peace in the music industry at large! Thank you Agbaletu💐🫶🏻

[@sonnieslyeopute9426]

I really love this man so much. So positive and factual. ❤

[@olaniyioladele9000]

You're a talented journalist 👏

[@AinaBamidele-tw8uf]

A straight forward man

[@hapexconsulting3789]

There was also Disco Juju by King Pele Ashogbon in 89/90.

[@bolajiaborisade5701]

I want to thank you ‘Agbaletu’ for bringing us these informative and thought provoking interviews. Just a few observations: - This is one of your best interviews ever. Your guest was very honest, factual, and un-sentimental about some very touchy issues. - Your guest was right about late Dr Dokpesi. He was never Chief MKO Abiola’s accountant. They were business partners but the shipping business with Abiola, Yar’adua & Dokpesi later flopped. Why? I don’t know o!😊 - Personally I don’t like the fact every interviewer thinks KSA is at odds with someone or someone is at odds with KSA. - I strongly believe that SSP & KSA are friends and they do react to each other cordially. An example was KSA’s 70th birthday @ Federal Palace Hotel a few years back. SSP was one of the guest artistes who played and he did so well. He even lifted KSA up! The video is on KZbin. Many times I think ‘we’ just like to cause unnecessary emotional unease among these great musicians. If KSA or SSP don’t like each other so what? Do they have to like each other? - The other point I want to mention is that even though SSP says that most of the Juju musicians stopped playing the guitar on stage because he stopped is an aberration of facts. KSA for example, said in one of his recent interviews that he stopped playing the guitar at ‘owanbe’s’ because the stage gets crowded and a few times the guitar has hit his lips etc but he stressed that he still plays his guitar during his foreign tours. I can confirm this as I’ve seen him play in London recently with his guitar all through. - Lastly the notion that Juju music is going extinct is farcical any traditional genre of music in Nigeria that uses the guitar as a main instrument is Juju music. The artistes may give it any name they so wish but the fact remains that any music where the guitar is prominent or used to augment the rhythm is simply Juju no more, no less. Well done, please keep these clips it will be gold in years to come! Ire Kaabiiti o!❤

[@olawrence3526]

There is no how one would be a super star, and people wont say many negative things about you. Good or bad, we all have our flaws in life; no man is perfec.

[@Bquiz_y1r]

God bless Hon Toba Oke

[@Afro_Updates]

Dokpesi started his early schooling with Loyola College, Ibadan. After this, he joined the Immaculate Conception College (ICC) in Benin City where he was the pioneer member of Ozolua Play house, a dance/drama group. He did his undergraduate studies at the University of Benin Edo State and completed his studies in University of Gdansk, Poland where he earned his Doctorate degree in Marine Engineering. His studies, from secondary school to university level, was sponsored by Alhaji Bamanga Tukur.

[@MrJideyusuf]

There were limited exposure. There were local variations due to limited contacts between towns. Transportation between towns was difficult. Everybody was a local champion playing freestyle until records started selling all over the place. Competition, comparison and fusion started. Commercialisation, instrumentation and technological innovation intensified and everything became different. The dynamics goes on.

[@ruggedtobby]

What an interview! I enjoyed every bit of it. Kudos to you AGBALETU and your guest. One of the best edition so far.

[@oladoyle1]

Always a delight to watch your conversations. It's obvious that the height of SSP musical career was his association with Sony/Laolu Akins. Success is much more difficult to manage than to attain. Agbaletu, kudos.

[@Orlandokennery1]

I had the opportunity to sing along ( tenor Back up) Sir Shina peters in Birmingham uk. He appears very simple and respectful.

[@olumuyiwaoluwapelumi6374]

Honorable said the whole fact about all the musicians in fact I love him and I say thanks to both of you

[@rgbphotomediaprod.2384]

🤣🤣🤣Everyone has retired to Juju music. Many thanks, Agbaletu for your power of innovation on documentaries.

[@Criticalthinking01]

Not true. Guitar is just a musical instrument, it doesn't necessarily define a genre on the world stage. It depends on how it's used.

[@olubukolashobowale6891]

I totally agree with his summation on Fuji migration into Juju! That’s exactly what happened

[@Criticalthinking01]

He's actually wrong on that. Sunny's Eja Osan sounds like Fuji at the time. Besides, using Guitars doesn't translate into Juju. The original Juju doesn't include guitar. In addition there are numerous music genres, older than Juju that Guitars as one of their musical instruments. His myopic approach is not appropriate.

[@7Sinmi]

You're absolutely right and correct, Dopesi actually married a Poland woman with Children. The polish woman even came to live in Nigeria with him but, due to Cultural and Traditions, the marriage did not see the light of the day, and went back to Poland.

[@akinyelebalogun]

The woman was with Dokpesi not too long ago, probably early 2000, as she took a title at Agenebode, before the marriage of her eldest son or so. And she was actively involved in her son's marriage to the best of my knowledge. She stays more in Holland than Nigeria, but she didn't really left her husband totally.

[@lekanbalogun186]

I love Hon. Oke's response, all through. Very intelligent man and quite aware of happenings in the music scene, more so SSP's contributions to it. However, I disagree with him that Fuji is going down, as a matter of fact, Fuji is morphing into and transforming the genre as every thing unique often do. It is always its timelessness that makes thing or people unique. He metioned dynamism, I think Fuji has been dynamic, and thrown Juju off balance. Moreover, Barrister also laid a defining template for Fuji, quote a man of vision, Barrister already saw tomorrow, knew that at a point in time, things would change in order to remain the same, quite ironic, but that is the truth. Lastly, the song Hon Oke ascribed to KSA (Mori sis meji ni Itafaji) was actually an original composition by Ambrose Campbell (Mo ri sisi kan to njo etc)which Idowu Animashaun sang fully in his album "Orisa bi aje" with a little changes to suit his band but which KSA adapted and chanģed as well. He also got his soñg, "Iya nkigbe malomalo etc", from the same Ambrose Campbell. Why do I make these points? Simply to correct, or sorry, update Hon Oke's submission about Fuji. Things change, so do people, same as music. Nonetheless, thanks Hon Oke for your candor, and Agbaletu, you are a blessing!

[@HarriBestReactions]

Im gonna have to totally disagree with you there.So many Ambrose Campbel songs were remixed by Juju artists,but Mo ri sis meji ni ta faji is not among them.They are no way similar at all.Just because they both mentioned Sisi does nit mean its the same song. The melodies,lyrics are totally different.Where do we stop? Are we also gonna say Obey's Mo ri sisi kan ni Marina(Paulina) is the same song? Idowu Animashaun did remix the song,but not Sunny.Cheers✌🏾

[@jonathanoluwakunayoadefisa909]

God bless you, Agbaletu. You’re really doing great. Pls keep it up. Shalom

[@solagak1]

God bless you Dele, I enjoyed every minutes of this interview. I love your interview skills. More grace to your team.

[@olaosebikanajidagba489]

Very good analysis! Thumbs up.

[@waterfield4797]

You didn't get SSP discussion. He said: "You can't be a band leader without knowing how to play a guitar. " He liberated musicians who can play without really playing guitars.

[@aybiggy]

Learnt a lot from this interview. I feel all these artists friends know more and they give in depth details. Shina is my mentor and we have a lot in common and I have learnt from it about what I should do and what I should not do. My take on SSP is that he swelled too much on his past glory and did not improvise later on. Also I will like you to interview yinka best and also ask him about why SSP doesn't like him because I read it in paper when besto said that shina is the problem of juju, that he wants to be the only relevant juju artists and doesn't want other young ones to shine. He also said that shina was always blocking shows for him

[@aybiggy]

Also I also think shina doesn't like any artist associated with sunny ade

[@blessingajisafe6915]

You might be correct on Yinka Best , cos he plays SSP style, and SSP might want to hold him. SSP doesn't like KSA and that's for sure

[@SemiuBello-th7oe]

He studied marine engineering with Phd in. African Ocean Liner. Where accusations of impropriety occurred.

[@olusolaoni1995]

I enjoyed this interview- very factual

[@jimidbaldheadedguy1600]

Interesting discussion about the music genre. I quite agree ,(and believe) that Sakara and fuji has evolved

[@dovehospital545]

You're really doing well Agbaman. Keep increasing fron glory to glory and from strength to strength IJMN Amen. I'm following all the interviews back to back. But have missed your radio programme timming,please update.

[@MrNachory]

I want to disagree with some of the comments of your guest. He’s a friend of SSP, there4 you don’t expect him to say negative things about him. I love Shina’s music & he’s a musical genius, no doubt. SSP himself had said in many interviews that he got his inspiration & idea from Sikiru Ayinde Barrister, with the Omele & the heavy percussion, among others. Why was Hon. Toba trying to run down Fuji musicians? Has he forgotten that Barrister defined Fuji as consisting of Sakara, Apala, Juju, Gudugudu, Aro possibly Highlife. Fuji musicians are versatile & innovative and they’re improving in their crafts daily. Hence, the wide acceptance. Secondly, it’s difficult to compare Obey & Sunny. Their styles are different, and both are great musicians that revolutionized Juju in their time. Obey attained stardom b4 Sunny, but KSA later surpassed him & was crowned King of Juju. Michael Jackson couldn’t come close to the millions of records he sold when he was with Quincy Jones. SSP’s case is similar. A good producer would bring out the best in an equally good artist. If he wants to repeat the feat of Ace, he should either work with Uncle Laolu again or look for another talented producer.

[@babsjay4239]

But he said some defects of ssp

[@Bquiz_y1r]

Best program

[@ayoadeabobarin522]

good analysis Bro,excellent

[@adeadigun4750]

I respectfully submit that no one has come close to to Haruna Isola’s Apala music. Haruna Isola Apala music is unique, his composition is just unparalleled, and his singing arrangements are just uncommonly superior to any other Apala musician. I say this with due respect to other Apala musicians. Haruna Isola’s music is a standard by itself, and it will be extremely difficult to match.

[@elumidesanusi5596]

Very interesting

[@olatundeokedara7766]

You are absolutely correct that Fuji music has transited into juju music.

[@vugaolaide1643]

God bless this baba

[@victormayomi6223]

Fantastic

[@folayemibankole5467]

The funniest part,the man looks so much like SSP

[@isholadotun1460]

@agbaletu… Yusuf Olatunji dropped “Bolowo Bate” in 1968 as LP. Another closeby LP then was Ayinde Bakare. Also, Badejo Okusanya made it possible.

[@dicksonaladipo7887]

It was Killington Ayinla that first introduced keyboard, bata and drums set into fuji music before Barrister. The innovation came from Killington before any of the fuji music of today.

[@moyosoreatobatele8]

That's correct! He stated it in his music, ' ti e ba mo ore ni ko ye ke bu rara oo...Kolawole so lu di'nkan o mu bata wo fuji, o lu jazz, o lu piano, ti e ba mo're ni ko ye ke but rara'.

[@adesewa100]

Ise Aiye.... huuuunnm

[@AlexAdeleke-u9m]

Elo Toba my man...Labama is saying hello here.

[@bamideleajibike8436]

Dele you should have ask SSP what brought him to stardom in the 70s. Is it not guitar? Up till now one particular song i love listening to aside from KSA is Shina Adewale's Awa ni super star.

[@dicksonaladipo7887]

SSP played some solo line starting from Ace to second album. He might not play it on the stage show, but in the studio for new album, he does.

[@dicksonaladipo7887]

That was a fact abt Dayo kujore and SSP. They are closed behind curtain just like Barry and Killington.

[@aderemiahmadu9793]

Apala authentic in Ibadan land is different. Our apala icons Tatalo Alamu and Agboluaje and co

[@olukayodenathan9132]

This guy was too young in 1969 to be talking about Commander being far ahead of Sunny. Agbaletu should lead him in investigating when Sunny released ‘Challenge Cup’ or ‘The master guitarist’. Between 1967-69, both Obey and Sunny were at par as mega juju stars. Some preferred Sunny. Other preferred Obey. Actually both lived around Idi-Oro-Mushin-Olrunshogo area in the early 60s. This guy, according to what he said himself was in a primary school in Ibadan around 1967-73 or more. Some hearsay and embellishment in some of his stories because he was too young to be privy to those events.

[@AdedotunOjo-y9v]

God bless you baba, you get brain die, it's obvious that the guy has a personal score to settle with KSA or he's just a hater,both KSA and Commander play different juju styles and they have their own fans, so you cannot say one is ahead of the other as we have people who love them individually and loving one doesn't mean you have to start running the other down

[@olaniyioladele9000]

Bolarinwa Abioro from Yewa?

[@samuelakinbehinje8116]

Agbaletu, good job as always. When was this interview done?

[@YomiteOkelola0703]

Apala varies with culture as we have Adewale Ayuba Fuji compare to Wasiu and others

[@darejulius619]

I have a whole box of splendure in my garage in south Africa. He did another one that remixed purposely for his wife due to a woman he mentioned in the album

[@yemiegbebiyi24]

I beg to disagree with the interviewee on the question, whether Apala is still around or have gone into extinction. IMO, I'll say apaka has gone into extinction. And the variation in Apala across, the state, IMO, is due to their languages.

[@kayodeakinyemi708]

Variations in apala is not only according to language it actually as a result of gift of talent as a musician, just as you perceived your talents and environmental influence

[@sundayhezekiah5002]

😂 Oroki tó sá lọ ni lu Osogbo. My age mate; those were the days. As 11 yrs olds or thereabouts at the time, we used to sing funny but corrupted versions of these popular juju, apala and later fuji music. 😁

[@lekanbalogun186]

Oroki Social Club, that was what Haruna Ishola said, my brother! I guess it was a joke from you though.

[@kayodeakinyemi708]

​@@lekanbalogun186he was actually saying how they use to sing it at age 11 years

[@Dapada02]

oroki to sa lo nilu osogbo, 😁😁a child would shaa sing what he/she hears

[@Criticalthinking01]

Having guitars in a band doesn't translate to Juju. Historically the original Juju doesn't even include guitar. Besides there are thousands of music genres with guitar that are not Juju, and older than Juju.

[@rafiuabiodun7345]

What a visionary person you are. As if Guitar is introduced by juju. How can it lay claim to the useage if it also borrows it from other genre

[@abigailfolowoshele3527]

Please can people expatiate on that Abuja connection. People always say Yorubas betrayed June 12. How much was given for the soul of Nija?

[@akinyelebalogun]

Lots of people were deceived into that event. As a students union activist then, I was also invited. In fact, we were first made members of the Nigerian Youths Organization (NYO), which was launched at Abeokuta. But I knew on time that we were to be derailed from June 12 agitation to support Abacha for president. I think one of the organizers mistakenly boasted about Abacha and Diya backing of the event, and I picked the signal and backed off. Even JayJay Okocha and some Nigerian footballers were also deceived into the event.

[@wysefavor]

Can you do some research on and ask these celebrities' about Chief J.K. Randle sir ..and also where they think they will spend eternity ?

[@fatuaseayodele9544]

Hope percussion is What they called Alujo

[@blessingajisafe6915]

Something like. Like when you dominate your sounds with talking drum.

[@sundayhezekiah5002]

Alujo is any dance music; music that is danceable. But percussion is that aspect of music produced by instruments you have to hit with your hands or sticks like drums, tambourine, sekere, gongs etc etc. Another aspect of music is the one produced by String instruments like guitar, violin, banjo etc. Then there's the Wind aspect with instruments you have to blow wind/air into them to produce sounds e.g trumpet, saxophone, accordion, trombone etc etc. And of course there's the Vocals aspect which is about singing, choruses in their various forms.

[@omonigeromoniger2908]

Chief Ebenezer Obey might be a good composer, but he is not a good musician, he can sing very well but his stage performances are always poor you can't compare him with King Sunny Ade. Obey even his son Tolu cannot dance to their own music. Obey popularity was really because of the influence of wealthy Egba people. I love his song but comparing him with Sunny Ade is Overrating. Shina Peter would have given a big challenge to Sunny Ade if he had worked harder and done more research. Ace was a fantastic breakthrough he would have continued in that trend.

[@bamideleajibike8436]

Shina would never have a challenge in anyway to KSA. On what ground sir? Is it through instruments or what? He was not even a good composer. Dele Abiodun and Ahuja Bello are the challenges I feel KSA faced. But still he stands out.

[@omonigeromoniger2908]

Shina Peter, ACE was a big challenge to Juju music and other musicians' but his lack of research or hard work is a letdown. Shina is outstanding in most musical instruments plus a stage show would have been a challenge to Sunny Ade. The problem with Ebenezer Obey who was Sunny Ade rival before is Obey poor stage show, he hardly moves whenever he is singing, Then people were looking for someone to challenge Sunny Ade in this aspect. Dele Abiodun is a good singer but he is not an entertainer he hardly dances just like Obey.

[@joshuaoajide]

Agbalẹtu ni totọọ

[@Afro_Updates]

HE WAS RIGHT. THE FUJI MUSICANS ARE NOW PLAYING JUJU MUSIC

[@rafiuabiodun7345]

Really singing Juju? Even the deaf knows that the word count spoken by Fuji Musicians in a single album can produce 5 Juju Albums. Juju that can repeat a single lyric 7 times extending it with guitar play. The fact that the likes of K1 and the new generation like Pasuma and Osupa are using guitar does not make Fuji to be Juju. That is why no one can deny Barrister of establishment of Fuji. He already saw the future when he said it in Fuji Reggae album of 1978 that Fuji sound is a combination of music consisting of sakara, apala juju, gudugudu, afro, aro possibly highlife... That is why Fuji musicians are able to release more albums than other genre within a short period of time compared to singers of other genre...

[@davidolokunwolu6686]

God bless you my brother. A good example is Wasiu Ayinde. She is totally deviating from Fuji by introducing so many western instruments. To me he has indirectly changed to juju. How can you be playing Fuji music and introduced so many guitars. If you listen to his songs he sings juju tone which is contrary to indigenous tone. However i am not condemning Wasiu. Ayinde.

[@davidolokunwolu6686]

I am sorry i use she instead of he for Wasiu (typographical error)

[@blessingajisafe6915]

You're correct about K1. He simply plays Juju this days.

[@Criticalthinking01]

From the definition of Fuji, Fuji musician can experiment with any other genre of music.

[@alexanderfranklin4674]

TRULY STATED WORDS ABOUT THE CHANGE.

[@alexanderfranklin4674]

IT WAS MISTAKE BY USING SHE IN PLACE OF HE AS A MALE SINGER AND NOT A WOMAN.

[@Afro_Updates]

EVEN PASUMA SAID INU JUJU NI AWON TI N TAP . THAT THEY ARE TAPPING FROM JUJU MUSIC

[@Criticalthinking01]

He didn't, if he did, he's wrong.

[@rafiuabiodun7345]

Big lie. If a Fuji musician would be quoted it is surely not Pasuma whose music isn't mainstream Fuji from Day 1

[@olahameed3619]

@@Criticalthinking01 You are right. He DIDN'T; in fact, he always asserts Fuji's originality and repeatedly claims that modern-day Afrobeat and hip hop guys are tapping from Fuji.

[@blessingajisafe6915]

This man really try. Fuji artists are basically playing Juju these days.

[@Criticalthinking01]

No, they are not. Juju are playing Fuji. Guitar is just a musical instrument, any genre can use it.

[@kayodeakinyemi708]

​@@Criticalthinking01leave them maje them dey nonsense to ad instruments doesn't make fuji to be juju

[@rafiuabiodun7345]

It's actually Juju singers that are using Fuji slangs and alujo these days. The man fot it wrong. That trend of using Fuji beats and slangs started with shina Peter's Ace in 1990

[@kayodeakinyemi708]

@@rafiuabiodun7345 they will not say that one only the one fuji use piano and guitar they will talking about because it siutes the narrative they want

[@geyrilstv7920]

He is too Pro-Shina and Commander and very Anti-KSA……..Plus,I don’t like the way he reduced Dayo Kujore to almost nobody.

[@dicksonaladipo7887]

He wasn't abt bringing ksa down, but fact needs to be told.

[@geyrilstv7920]

@@dicksonaladipo7887 Fact?About what?

[@bamideleajibike8436]

I disagree with you sir. He said nothing against KSA. He mentioned Sunny in comparison.