Honda Civic Type R vs Hyundai Elantra N: Practical performance car Big Test | Top Gear Philippines

[@nikytamayo]

Petition to add a numeric sound score for volume. Nothing on the road is louder than the Elantra N.

[@vjd222]

Best sounding stock 4cyl by miles

[@alfredevaasili4745]

The interior for elantra n is not premium is to keep cost down to be affordable. Surely Hyundai can make it premium if they wanted but it wouldnt be affordable for many.

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

Yes just look at the Genesis. Interior surpasses the Germans.

[@LongBeacheRider]

​@@JohnLee-db9zt😂

[@mharro88]

Weird. I found the Elantra N way more comfortable than the type r , the suspension is definitely more compliant, once you take it to mixed roads it's obvious. Unless you have a different suspension tune over there theres no comparison the suspension is more forgiving in the N. Seats are better and more adjustable as well with heating / cooling / memory etc

[@conman087]

It has all of the features of a modern day sedan and then some, as well as it being a genuine sports car

[@Sayu2x]

Braking distance is based on tire width not brakes

[@calimoxchannel]

they have the same tires michillin pilot tires so what's your point?

[@nicholaswilliams6697]

@@calimoxchanneltype R’s are wider dude

[@Symphoniics]

The Elantra N wasn’t octane learned in this video so the acceleration tests were slower than it is capable of

[@van_der_lindeDA]

😂

[@Symphoniics]

@@van_der_lindeDA I’m not sure why that’s funny. It’s just a fact.

[@van_der_lindeDA]

@@Symphoniics because that's the continously N fanboy comment....the Type R is just a better car fullstop

[@Symphoniics]

@@van_der_lindeDA Who cares who says it if it’s literally a fact that octane learning gives the EN significantly more power? And The Type R is better overall, yes, but that is irrelevant to my point

[@randolfabad759]

​@@Symphoniics more power than Elantra but The civic is still faster

[@SoJooCars]

Did you use the Paddle shifter in 60-100 kph for the Elentra N? (mid way pa ako)

[@Djeafskie]

Also, could you please provide a review of the Elantra N? The reviewers at Top Gear Philippines don't specialize in reviewing sport cars, so they reviewed it more like an SUV based on comfort. It's quite amusing, they didn't even fully throttle the car. 😂

[@serrtj12]

I have elantra n and i always wanted the type r. In ph, its a MILLION difference so yeaaa, Type R has to be better but im happy with my Elantra n. But i would suggest to do a track review instead and lets see which one performs well.

[@AntiJEVsInPH]

What country?

[@logmeinhere]

The Type R will still outperform the N in the track. I've watched close to a dozen reviews between these 2 cars already and the R always comes out on top. Great thing is the N isn't that far off. For its price, it's a bargain.

[@serrtj12]

@@logmeinhere youre correct it outperforms the N and i would take the R too, but its expensive so i ended up getting N. but i love it! And yes for the price of the Type R, it has to be better

[@第32代大統領]

Please don't praise Honda too much. I'm disappointed in Honda.😢

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

I can tell these guys rarely, if ever, track their cars.

[@shadowalk]

Problem with Elantra N is that it only comes with the DCT transmission here in the Philippines whereas there is a variant with a 6-speed manual. Sure, automatic is practical for our city roads and it's 2024 but you're going to get this car to go vroom vroom and not to do lolo driving in the city. And for vroom vroom purposes, a manual transmission should be mandatory.

[@manuelcamomot5152]

You need a manual transmission to feel the power.

[@promatic3871]

You mean your family car😂?

[@mharro88]

​@@manuelcamomot5152 the DCT feels way quicker lol

[@ezUpshift_Media]

But the DCT shifts faster tho. But yeah you feel the car way more on conventional manual

[@JorgeCabrera-zh7yr]

​@mharro88 but it really isn't I own a VN manual with a EN turbo swap

[@prestige9486]

They say the Honda better but for me the exhaust note is a game changer and they not far making the same power, I don’t want my car to sound like my father car 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@paulbustria7026]

Also, Enlantra N/I30N has octane learning which it gives us limited boost and not an instant 18psi on boost. I personally own I30N (in Australia) and I like the pops n bangs. I wouldn't spend more money for a civic Type R.

[@jeenhur8804]

Not fair. You should test 0-100km/h (0-60Mi/h) with launch control and 50-100km/h with NGB enabled.

[@lionary]

Nice collective review guys!

[@asdowo111]

Elantra N is priced at PhP 2,638,000 or 45,608.96 USD for the manual. A stark difference to Hyundai USA's price of only $33,950. Tax rate for cars made outside of the Philippines are too high.

[@johnnybaum7957]

Europe and USA rates the Elantra N higher in almost all KZbin reviews I guess the driving experience is different for every country.

[@vjd222]

Lmfao the Elantra hasn't beat the CTR in every single YT comparison, and is rated below the CTR in every single publications list of top compact sports cars. It's also not sold in Europe. This comment is wild

[@johnnybaum7957]

@@vjd222 Mistaken Australian English for British. But if you actually looked at all the reviews Elantra is the better buy. Autoguide, Kellybluebook, autotrader, carconnection, cargurus, Redline, Trottlehouse,everyday cardriver etc. rate Elantra the better buy. Remember Elantra N is $11,000 cheaper. Do you know how much mod/tuning you can do to a car for $11000?! Maybe a stock driver badge warrior?. This comment is wild 🤣🤣

[@vjd222]

@johnnybaum7957 all of those people rate the CTR #1 ;) and a good amount of them own CTRs for themselves. Not a single one has it rated above the CTR in any category except value

[@r.m6508]

​@@vjd222Elantra N all the way Much better driving dynamics than type r off course

[@vjd222]

@@r.m6508 🤣🤣

[@Ravequiem10]

Does the PHDM Elantra N have the blind spot cameras like the KDM version?

[@jonttran1092]

So does each category have the same weighting? 5-2?? Silly test

[@willy7922]

The interior of Hyundai Elantra N is way more nicer and modern than the civic type R. Also, Elantra N is much more fun to drive. My choice is Hyundai Elantra N.

[@logmeinhere]

Bakit wala yung illuminated N logo sa headrests nung Elantra like sa other countries? :(

[@andywiththen]

Because this model gets the better seats with heating and cooling. The N logo only lights up with the door open so you never really see it anyway.

[@logmeinhere]

⁠@@andywiththengotcha I appreciate the info. Better functionality aside, the logo was such nice visual touch I wish they kept it

[@thedragon6499]

You guys have the korean spec. The Canadian/US spec does not come with back seat air vents, and seats are manually adjusted. Instead, we get the buckled seats with an illuminated logo (sunroof available with 6 speed manual in Canada, but sunroof on US model is only available for the DCT).

[@JcMacxx]

Hirap mag decide nyan w/ 1M price diff. Of course if you hav limited bdget go for ElantraN but if u have deeper pockets then definitely go w/ TypeR. Both automobiles are both good in its respective price points.

[@JcMacxx]

Personally, if i have the money, ill go with the TypeR

[@tjjavier]

Macoy! Awesome collab!

[@ezUpshift_Media]

Wait is the bucket seat with the N logo that glows an option to Elantra N or we didn't have that cause i think thats a better seat that holds you better on corners

[@micolashscream9003]

Depends on the country

[@johnjuliensiena203]

Kahawig ng seats from kona N yung ginamit nila for PH imports

[@ezUpshift_Media]

@@johnjuliensiena203 sad parang ang bulky ksi nung headrest at kulang sa support sa gilid sa ilalim kumpara sa tunay na bucket ng N division. Anyway wala pa naman akong pambili 🤣

[@josephgatmaitan975]

Nice to see macoy heree

[@FoigTCG]

great video! i think using the manual elantra N would have made a better comparison. does that exist in the philippines?

[@gilbs72]

Wish the Civic Type R offered the option for A/T alongside this M/T. Metro Manila situation just calls for it (for some people).

[@TGPMagazine]

Agree. While this is the best manual we have tried in a long time, gets talaga when it comes to traffic use. Our left legs can only take so much

[@jessicaphoenix1312]

The Type - R is a better looking car and has the branding and history. The Elantra N is a better value proposition. The car stealerships up-chargethe Type-R even past the higher price tag. They even wanted 35k for an Si, which is 1k more than I paid for my Elantra N. For that reason I chose the Elantra N and I love it. I got past the looks and am very happy with the car. I will have it paid off after two years where I would be financing the Type - R for probably at least another year. Also, the Elantra N is under-tuned. With only a tune I make over 300 whp now. I don't think I am losing any performance. If I am, it is very little. These are two great cars, and a person can't go wrong with either fwd performance option.

[@chrisvigo4880]

I appreciate the English/Philippine language. I thought only us Puertoricans did that 😆 Great vid

[@pompano_jedi172]

Yes, my puertorican friend. Philippines used to be a spanish colony. Just words, it's hard for us to speak spanish except in very few areas.

[@joebertpaduelan1701]

Napaka gandang review with macoy so relevant

[@DTEL77]

Very fun comparison. The Civic is one class up for sure, but nothing touches the Elantra in performance per dollar.

[@TGPMagazine]

THank you - and yes, while it won, the price difference should always be taken into account

[@playstationonedotatwo4182]

Nice comparison

[@Night237]

Both, could have accelerated faster actually, and the difference would have also been larger in second gear for the type R. Comfort wise the type r seating and all feel better but the suspension is stiffer for sure... not a terrible review but I will say opportunities were left on the table

[@omarfeliciano1976]

Test 1 Acceleration Type R in Sport mode and Elantra in N mode 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ Type R should have been in R mode

[@mikipavloski5239]

Elantra N is the successor of lancer EVO X !!! 💪💪

[@vjd222]

Eh... the EVO had more power, was faster, and most importantly AWD. Wouldn't quite call it the successor

[@mikipavloski5239]

Theta II Turbo 2.0L FR Turbo MPI (G4KF) The turbo used is a Mitsubishi TD04 model, the block used is very similar to the 4B11T engine found in Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X. however most of the rotating assembly is different, with different rod lengths, bearing sizes, and piston compression heights. Additionally the 4B11T is a semi-closed deck block, where the Theta is an open deck block.

[@nezabytes]

No it isn't. The evo is in a whole different league. Now if this was Awd, you might be right.

[@Jameshhl]

I say value is equal, because after 5 years the Type R will retain MUCH better value than the Elantra.

[@christianvigal441]

Honda all the way. The aftermarket that you can do to that Type R: Spoon, Mugen, Seeker etc.. Elantra ???

[@r.m6508]

Driving dynamics off course mas angat sya mas raw ang experience

[@joebertpaduelan1701]

Ah typre r pala kai macoy good to know , damn

[@rjarafiles9742]

Type r is type r. History and experience is there :) But with the price difference, Elantra N is ok. Ika nga, you have to pay to play. Btw - i'd still go for the FL5. Honda boy ako ever since hehe and kudos to Macoy. Naging fan nya ko with this video.

[@MotivateElev8]

I like how Makoy is being unbiased despite him reviewing his own car.

[@soycake6191]

I love macoy in this! ❤

[@CleverCheetah]

Wait you guys didnt even press the NGS boost button so that was an unfair acceleration test. 10 hp increase doesn't seem like much but it really makes a difference.

[@raiden8812]

Nice Collab! ❤

[@Specialist7]

I love both cars but I feel that the reviewers need a little more time with the vehicles that they're not familiar with. Yes for the price the CTR does have better interior but they do lack heated/vented seats, i didnt see any AC vents for the CTR in the rear, the EN in this video did and trust me in hotter/humid climate, you want that additional AC. If you go into the N settings for the EN it literally has the gauges that was mentioned about the CTR. The left N button is for ECO, NORMAL, and SPORT, the right N button is for N and N custom. N will have all default settings and maxed out like stiffer suspension and steering so yes it will feel bouncy and you will feel everything. Go to N custom for a softer setting or run the car in ECO/NORMAL and the ride will feel better. The car is a DCT but if you're using it in manual mode it will have a delay unfortunately, nothing like the porsche pdk, but if you use the DCT as its meant to be the shift points/downshifts are on point (if you hold the shifter you can also have it downshift to the lowest available gear) The EN is significantly cheaper say $35K USD vs $46K USD so if you do opt for the larger brakes the N performance shop offers them it'll be better at stopping but for a 2 piston brakes its pretty good and the N team with albert biermann at the time designed it that way. If you want the stock loud burbling/popcorn sounding then the EN has it, the CTR doesn't but if you pay $52K USD for the ITS you get that slight bump in HP and all the noises, is it worth it? thats up to the buyer. Also worth mentioning, not sure about non-US regions but Hyundai has the 10 year/100K mile warranty, you can track the car everyday and they'll still honor your warranty. I've seen some cases where both Honda and Toyota not honoring their customer's warranty and you only get 5 year/60K mile warranty with Honda. I must say though even with the FK8, the FL5 will hold its value way better than the EN so if you don't want the car 1-2-3 years from now you probably could recoup or even trade in for almost the full value. Honda is a bit more reliable and for me personally I like both of them and always like trying new brands, not brand loyal to anything, I just like every car in general. Overall thanks for the review! Also note the NGS button gives the DCT models +10hp for a short duration for added performance as well as the dreaded octane learning (community hates it), car runs at the spec of 15PSI but if all requirements are met and octane learning is performed correctly you are able to gain 16-20PSI on to giving you added performance as well. Just a decent gain for free.

[@vjd222]

It's incredibly difficult in the manual to get it to OL and hold it. I would go through the whole thing, and the car would hit 18-19 one time and then never again until the next time. Meaning like 99% of the time my engine was limited, even with putting premium in. Loved the car and would consider a next gen, but absolutely not if they keep the same OL with it Also Hyundai has refused to warranty people's car off the tracks as well. One of them being one of the moderators for one of the eN groups on FB, who is also a mechanic for Hyundai

[@Specialist7]

​@@vjd222 ah if you mean the initial OL after refuel then yeah its a bit annoying especially if you're just refueling for the track but for me with the DCT if I were to go straight home and leave it ill get the stock 15PSI, if I go straight to the highway cruise for say 70-80mph for 11 min or so ill frequently get 18-19... then you see other performance cars automatically OL the moment it sees E85 in the fuel.. wish they worked on it with the facelift Ah yeah I guess cases will vary, I've seen them void warranty from someone who had ecu tuned/mods on their car while I've seen a few cases of people money shifting and still getting them honored so I guess ymmv and it'll depend on the dealership because some dont care and some are just an ass about it. how are you liking the FL5? I'm thinking about getting one now that people are seeing them for MSRP but still trying to justify that $46K price tag lol

[@vjd222]

@Specialist7 Yeah, the DCT has a much more reliable time with OL. I was honestly one of the EN guys who dogged on the CTR for the price difference, but I had never driven or been in one. Then I did. I love it so much. It's a step up in every way imaginable, aside from the exhaust. The interior quality is night and day, and the shifts are absolute buttery perfection. The seats are a massive step up in comfort if you're in the US. I live in Virginia half the year and Florida half the year, and the seats made such a big difference for that drive. Plus, I can legitimately fit everything I have in it. Getting my TV in the elantra was quite the task. Now i just open the hatch and slide it in, lol. 10k is obviously a steep increase, but I paid 35k for my '22 EN. When I traded it, it had 45k miles, and the kbb was 21-24. That's an 11-14k loss. Bigger than the price difference of the 2 cars brand new. Plus another year more and I would have been in the mid-high teens. I still see 2017 CTRs with 50k miles going for their original msrp.

[@Specialist7]

@@vjd222 yeah I recently got a new job and was checking around the area if they had any at MSRP. I'm still between the FL5 or maybe getting an IS500, I know totally different cars lol but i want that NA V8. Yeah it sucks that for that price and platform they skimped on the exhaust sound and gave it to the ITS. I saw an FL5 a few years ago parked next to me and it looked really solid and refined and liking the 265 stock wheels/tires. Trade in value right now I see at $27K with my mileage so debating which route to take.

[@vjd222]

@Specialist7 the IS500 is probably a lot of fun too. I love the Type R so much that I honestly would still pick it over the Lexus. Idk about those mouse pads to control the infotainment. I hate it in the Acuras. Drive both and see. The ITS has a lot weaker sales than the CTR too, so if you want more features it's probably easier to find/ not get ripped off on

[@cobracob]

Macoy should be a permanent reviewer

[@jamesjohnbaltazar7394]

Macoy has his own Channel po.

[@cobracob]

@@jamesjohnbaltazar7394 I know

[@davothegreat9990]

For the price point the ctr is underpowered. Too big for fwd. Needs to be rwd. Other cars are catching up quickly due to this.

[@jrc1156]

Kudos to the type r, at least they are on par with the elantra. Both great cars.

[@stanleyb5974]

Put GAC Empow Top of the line side by side and you have a competitor

[@monching6919]

does GAC have a car with 300hp to match both these cars? last time i checked Gac empow only had 175ish hp 😅

[@nickbarnes5802]

san ho available elantra n? wala ho sa hyundai phils

[@graigdietrich]

macoy never ceases to entertain me nice review!

[@gabrielchenettodayon61]

Na try ko mag drag race sa kaibigan ko na Nline tas 2.0 NA lang civic ko, pero sad to say nahirapan talaga yung Nline sa civic 2.0 NA

[@BossPau]

1M price difference makes a lot of difference but that elantra n is one beautiful car. To my opinion though, the elantra n would be more attractive if price is around that of the civic rs. Nagmukang midget si anton kay macoy. Ehehehe

[@shadowalk]

Dapat kasi nilabas dito yung Elantra N na naka 6 speed manual.

[@charlesa1234]

Anong height ni Anton?

[@wilfredbalmores8440]

Taking availability as well, you cant really get a type r off the showroom now so..

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

Why compare Elantra N with a car that costs $10k USD more MSRP? Here in the US, dealers up charge the Type R another $15-20k over MSRP so you need $60-65k. Not worth it. Elantra N can be had for MSRP or less. It’s not a “little” bit more. The price difference is astronomical for the average enthusiast.

[@lorenzgeraldsauz4476]

Type R manual is a go too

[@antoniocruz3901]

It is not a fair review bcoz Mackoy is the owner of Honda Type R being reviewed here. So, normally he will favor his own car in all aspects.

[@oscarmontes921]

Elantra N wasn’t octane learned. Boots stopped at 15 PSI. When octane learned it hits 17-18.

[@MKT20]

Fl5 type r vs Toyota Supra A90 naman

[@juansotomayor1479]

The type R wasnt in R mode so failure

[@oawf5657]

Check it again from the moment the brakes are applied; this is completely off.

[@hellcat_meow]

Folding din diba back seats ng Elantra.

[@FortyoneZero]

Just like the old Genesis coupe, you know the purpose of the N is bringing performance. At an affordable price, right??? As car enthusiasts, you should learn to appreciate that, lol

[@kevintechstudio6921]

subaru WRX STI vs Elantra N , i think they are similar in price!

[@pompano_jedi172]

But no new model STI

[@CapTV.T]

since magka tucson ako. naging koyal na ko sa brand. so i think, elantra N bibilhin ko over civic type R.

[@TGPMagazine]

Thank you for the input. Yes, ok din magka brand loyalty if ok naman experience mo with the brand long term.

[@Philopinaaaaasssss]

MAKOY wearing that blue tshirt is an "ECHOSERANG PALAKA"

[@Liisjak]

You can buy nearly 2 EN's for the price of 1 R...why would you even compare them.

[@afrikengunner]

I am sorry but this test is flawed... the sits where put down for cargo space... the suspension on the N was in track mode the type r in R mode is waaayyyyyy stiffer and u r testing for comfort... acceleration was done wrong u should have done it with the ngs button... so many things not done well in this test...

[@jonecuntapay9561]

May similarity ang Civic R at Elantra N. High Performance Front Wheel Drive, yun lang.

[@minkenji1]

always civic type R !!!

[@Praenuntium]

Type R is like 2x the price in the US. It loses.

[@nezabytes]

Sad, but true!

[@andreinajera1669]

Elantra n philippines version interior is very plain rather than us version the seat is different its like the nline in us for interior in the philippines and the interion in the us version we have the bucket seat with glowing N logo and more sportier inside hmmmmmmm

[@stevencrespo7409]

Wala namn sa date ung comparison nio may 2024 elantra na po na po mga sir medyo ng improve ang exterior at interior

[@popegalang]

Elantra N or Subaru WRX?

[@mharro88]

Elantra N no comparison

[@dormamo6917]

This is the only time mackoy look tall.

[@jamborghini1827]

Selling point talaga ng elantra N yung pops hahaha

[@giancastro6590]

Growing up me and my brother has been a TG follower but i gotta say this is gongshow review. Someone comparing his car against the counterpart vehicle? Totally unfair in a LOT of things. 😂 I have driven a few civics and now an EN owner and my verdict is that the price difference is not worth it unless you’re a die hard honda fan boy 🤭

[@theAccordDOHC]

fastest fwd nurburgring.........Civic type R hehe

[@kptdc]

25yrs old that can afford a 2.7m to 3.8m. Parang bihira lang yung ganun. 😮

[@ryancn79]

I don't think the guys even know the elantra is not in N mode with overboost. No grin shift happening lol

[@tomzuriel9480]

Laid back - typeR, fun - N.

[@nicholaswilliams6697]

Bros got like 8 inches above his head in the back and he calls it “tight” 😂

[@RaY_77W]

64 and 46 grand USD for these cars in the Philippines, now way☠️

[@scott21784]

hyundai needs to rebrand their H logo like KIA did.

[@AKgarbagemonkey]

For the price it’s more comparable to the si

[@Bigwill71M]

You can buy a elantra N and another car for the price of a Type R....The Type R is better but not 1 million pesos more better then the Elantra N....JS...

[@nezabytes]

You are right. I've tried both. They are both mind blowing. The chassis is so stiff and responsive. These cars are amazing.

[@Bigwill71M]

Can't compare a hatch and a sedan....its,not a good comparison

[@nezabytes]

That literally makes no sense!

[@CeejaaySnow]

Civic Type R for me.

[@dontblinkoryouwillmissme]

civc talaga panalo kasi established name na yang honda. si hyundai notorious yan sa mga sisiraing sasakyan pero ang presyo ay di na nagkakalayo sa presyo sa mga japanese counterparts

[@ceddi4386]

@@dontblinkoryouwillmissme Do you own a hyundai car sir? Pano po ninyo nasabing sirain?

[@northwestside6644]

The civic sounds like vacuum sht

[@dontblinkoryouwillmissme]

@@ceddi4386 noon nagkaroon na ako at saka nagreresearch ako kaya alam ko. may google at yt naman dyan. maraming mga santa fe ang nakatenga dito sa junk shop dito sa amin

[@lugscogs5976]

That seiko tho

[@Rofeal-f9o]

Ill pocket the 1 million and get the elantra n

[@douchie0104]

what are you trying to accomplish in the breaking portion of the video? are you trying to stop at a dime?

[@scott21784]

People are driving manual because of no money 😂

[@thebumpban4959]

Type R is the winner 👊🏾

[@mike55225]

braked earlier in civic test 2

[@theAccordDOHC]

ung kaya lang namin bilhin 2nd hand na car na 200k value haha

[@relaxingwaves361]

Not the best reviewers for these cars

[@rzothanpuia7201]

Hey you. Be a MAAAAN okheeei!

[@neildeleon5983]

It tarnish the name top gear

[@CapTV.T]

honda, alam na mabagal manakbo tapos ipipilit pa din na matulin! hahaha

[@TGPMagazine]

Unless it's the Type R, like here

[@alexanderavila4361]

Ang alam ko pag me pagka sporty maingay talaga at matagtag. Example ng matagtag Nissan GTR.

[@appacana]

Type RICE

[@sonik120]

Phillipines top gear is the dumbest I have seen so far lmfao If Elantra costed same as Type R, Elantra would've been equipped with better options and engineering for sure.

[@yeisondiaz6459]

Yes is chorter