HONDA HRN216 VS HONDA HRX217 - WHICH LAWN MOWER SHOULD YOU BUY?

[@GarageGear]

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[@smallblock412]

I love these side by side comparisons. Can't really go wrong with either of these mowers.

[@GarageGear]

Really can’t! Appreciate the feedback Smallblock! Have an awesome weekend bud!

[@MichaelSmith-kr9qw]

I run both Honda's for my lawn care business. My HRN is now 6 years old and has never had one issue besides tire wear, all I have to do is Oil,Air Filter,Spark Plug Blades changes every couple months , I inspect the drive belts annually along with the wheels. I might look into your trick with the bike tire as I have a couple spare sets laying around. My HRX is 3 years old and it just keeps chugging, just the normal minor maintenance. I do clean the decks on both and the HRX Deck stays far cleaner than the HRN. Only Issues I have run into with both of them is with the mulch slides they tend to get stuck if you do not clean them out regularly. I plan on finally replacing the HRN with another HRX soon but I will keep the HRN for Home Duties. Instead of the 217VYA I am gonna step up to the Hydrostatic Drive of the HYA. or I might jump ship and go with the New Stihl RM 756 YC it has a lot of awesome features like Magnesium Deck with a Polymer liner and a Kohler 200cc Engine with a oil filter. I need to talk to my dealer and see if they have a demo model to test out before making that $2000 purchase.

[@GarageGear]

@@MichaelSmith-kr9qw awesome! Keep me posted if you grab that stihl mower Michael!

[@StlPike2004]

Do you notice when mowing that excessive grass is coming out of the back/chute even when the lever is all the way to the right and the chute is supposed to be blocked? I find it leaves clippings behind, which my 10 year old Troy-Bilt TB230 didn't do. Seems the thing underneath the deck is supposed to block the chute but I can see light/space where it isn't blocked.

[@Patryn71]

Just had the HRX217VKA delivered today. I had been eyeing one for a few years now, and with Honda no longer making them it was either now or never. My 18+ year old Craftsman with a 6.5hp Briggs & Stratton engine is still working, but it's showing it's age. It took me about 15 minutes to get the new mower unboxed and fully set up and I took the time to actually read the manual. Yes, some of us still do that. Mine had the green dot on the box so I knew it was good. It was covered over by the shipping/delivery sticker, but when I peeled that up you could plainly see it was there. I set it up to about a 60/40 bag/mulch, but to be honest I can't tell if it was working. This mower cut everything up so fine compared to my old one it's hard to see what is being left on the ground from the mulching. My old one would cut one and just puke the grass out when trying to mulch, whereas this one everything is super well cut and left almost nothing on the ground. I only had to empty my bag twice instead of 7-8 times like my old one because it filled up the bag so much more efficiently. The ease of starting was surprising, too. Pull the cord until you feel some tension, then gently pull it back and it came right to life. My old one you had to yank it pretty good, but to be fair it still started up on the 2nd or 3rd pull even after 18+ years. The self propelled took me by surprise with how fast it was. I only set it to about 30% and it just took off. My old mower was just a straight push with no assist, so this is a new feature to me. Once dialed in it worked just fine. I still need to play with it more though to figure out the best settings. My entire lawn is on a slight grade, so going down is super easy, but going up the grade it's slower. I also have a decent banking and had to turn it up 2 notches to make it up the banking at all. Once on the banking though it cut the length of it with little problem once I put it back to a slower speed. All in all it was money well spent so far. I'm hoping to get a lot of years out of this mower.

[@GarageGear]

@@Patryn71 you’ll get plenty of years out of it! Enjoy the mow

[@ancjr]

I bought my HRX in 2008 and it starts and mows just as good as it did when new.

[@GarageGear]

Can’t beat em!

[@stevewhisperer6609]

I've had my HRX 217 for over 12 years now, and it's still going strong. The only issues I had with this model initially, was starting. I opted for the electric/key start feature. This turned out to be a no-go. After experiencing failures of the electric start and/or the pull start to work and exchanging the mower for another one, ( several times through the Home Depot I purchased the first mower at, plus having the starter worked on by a local Honda outdoor shop, ) I resigned myself to the fact that at least electric start was not in the cards for me. I had a mower with everything else working great on it, so I stuck with that. I eventually discovered another local shop that specialized in lawn equipment and was an authorized Honda service center. They've been really great all these years for servicing my Honda. Despite the initial headaches I had with my Honda mower, I wouldn't choose any other brand.

[@GarageGear]

Thanks for sharing! This is good to know and helpful for others contemplating buying a Honda.

[@DanielGarcia-zz9eg]

I have the key start, I find myself having to pull the string more often than turn the key to start. you really have to charge the battery to use the key

[@Rebel9668]

The thing about a lot of plastics is, that over the years they can become very brittle. I don't know about that type of plastic, but case in point...I grabbed an old funnel yesterday to pour some cleaner from a bottle with a bad sprayer to a new bottle and when I grabbed the funnel it split on one side and completely broke off where I had grabbed ahold of it. In the trash it went, lol. On the other hand, I have two more just as old but they're both still flexible and pliable. Steel may rust, but it takes a really long time to rust through a good deck. That old push mower I told ya about that I bought back in 2000 was stored outside under a wood deck its first ten years as at the old place we didn't even have a shed...it did eventually rust through but it took about 20 years before it was even noticeable.

[@tinybubbles3724]

I had a 25 year old hrx. The motor burned oil, the bearing were shot in the wheels. It had a 3 speed trans that finally gave up. The plastic portion of the deck must be some sort of uhmw. It was good for another 25 years.

[@GarageGear]

Thanks for sharing as always rebel!

[@christopherblack4520]

My stihl 024 av 25 years old no problems lots of plastic. My 2018 HRX motor blew up after 3 years don't have to worry about the plastic Honda is not like they use to be.

[@edwingame1]

Just bought one, and I'm glad I went this route after watching your video😊

[@GarageGear]

@@edwingame1 ROCK ON Edwin!

[@dewaynegibson8422]

HRN is the best lawnmower I ever own !!!

[@GarageGear]

Thanks for sharing dewayne!

[@josephberkeley]

Thanks for all of the great videos. I own an 11-year old Husqvarna HU800 AWD (with Honda motor). Been going through it replacing parts. Got new wheels, dust covers, need a new blade adaptor as nipple star ring shattered when I went to sharpen the blade. It needs a new belt which is a job I am not looking forward to as the mower is at the age such that when you take things apart they do not want to go back together. Watched your video about the last of the Honda mowers. Thought about it a lot and headed off to Home Depot early this morning to snap up a Honda HRN for less than $600 on sale. Just put it together based on your specs. It's a nice mower. It could be more heavy duty but I can't complain at the price. And it's the last of the Honda mowers so get 'em while you can. I checked for the green dot based on your video. Much appreciated. Celebrated by buying a Garage Gear tee shirt. I enjoy your content as it is educational, on point and isn't pandering to the algorithm with a bikini clad sidekick. I like my lawn. neat and tidy. Not as fancy as yours but it's ship shape. I do struggle with when to let go of an older piece of lawn equipment. I may be guilty of putting money into them at the end of its life but after 11 years the Husqvarna doesn't owe me anything and there is a lot to be learned from a veteran mower.

[@GarageGear]

You got it Joseph! Some mowers can be a lot of work as they age. Enjoy your new mower! Appreciate your kind words and thank you for supporting the channel! 👍

[@BobbyS1981]

I just purchased the HRX217HYA at my local Honda Powersports dealer. They matched the Home Depot sale price of $799 mentioned in another comment. I based my decision off of many reviews including yours and also the fact that it is the only decent mower left with a blade brake clutch. I used it for the first time today in a 50/50 mulch/bag configuration. Nice clean cut and the hydrostatic is smooth. Loved being able to empty the bag and not have to restart the mower yet still do it safely as the blade is stopped. The only issue I have is that the valve cover has a small oil leak. It might not have been sealed properly when the cam issue was fixed. I also think the blade doesn’t stop fast enough, but not having used one before, I have no point of reference. I will now be cleaning up my John Deere JS40 that has served me well for 18 years and will be selling it. It’s time for someone else to enjoy it.

[@ivanguzman9156]

Use the warranty while you have it they will fix it at no cost

[@BobbyS1981]

@@ivanguzman9156 I will be contacting the dealer after the holiday. I will bring it in for them to repair, or, if Honda will be so willing, they can just set me up with a tube of Hondabond and a service manual. I’ve been working on small engines since I was 9 or 10.

[@GarageGear]

Hey Bobby I would have them look at it under warranty

[@StlPike2004]

Just got the HRX217. Really nice mower. Feels solid. Love how the self propelled is so fast if needed. Nice engine too. I don't like that the deck is so long/wide and sticks out to/past the wheels. Also, it shoots out mulch out of the back when I don't have the bag on, and I can see that the lever is all the way to the right but the chute isn't fully blocked when I pull up the flap.. Seems like a manufacturer defect. My 10 year old toro doesn't leave grass out the back, but this does. I might try sharpening the blades, as I just got it, or I might make something to block grass from entering the chute when mulching and maybe tape off the areas I can see light coming through. For such a nice/expensive mower, it shouldn't have this issue. I've read about this a lot online too, after purchasing of course.

[@GarageGear]

@@StlPike2004 thanks for sharing this pike!

[@lj.7311]

I needed a mower since my Honda 216 was at the end of its life thanks to me neglecting cleaning the underside of the deck after 15 years or so. Sad to see Honda throwing in the towel here in the states. I debated getting a hrn from HD but I opted to shop small and I got a Toro Recycler MAX. The Toro is certainly no Honda but as long as it lasts for 10 or so years I’ll be happy. I’ll be cleaning the deck every cutting that’s for sure.

[@GarageGear]

Thanks for sharing lj!

[@ajv802]

Both have exactly the same blade systems so both cut grass awesomely. Only important features HRX has over the HRN is incrementally adjustable bag/mulch lever rather than only one or other and better quality wheels. It does have a bigger engine, but both engines are great for normal yards so I don’t think its a massively noticeable difference unless your mowing long lawns all the time. On the other hand its heavier, its harder to pull backwards due to its drive system design, has plastic deck, has corner adjusters for height which are more annoying and a weird round knob to adjust speed so no feathering the speed controller when manoeuvring like you can in the cheaper model. Both are great machines but I dont see the extra cost justified with the HRX and prefer the HRN. Thats just me though.

[@GarageGear]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Like you, I have the HRN and it works just fine.

[@markclark1605]

I have both mowers which are very reliable for sure. I like the hrn for the light weight. You can't go wrong with a honda.

[@AEAC]

Hey JB, turn RPM up to 3,350 on those two mowers and transform your cutting experience and end result. I own both of those lawn mowers and was amazed at the difference. My previous HRXs ran happily for a decade at that speed until I finally sold them to buy the new ones. Steve

[@GarageGear]

Hi Steve! Thanks for sharing this good information. Appreciate it! Good machines you have!

[@michaeldavis6550]

I would love to figure out how to do that on my Honda after break in.

[@AEAC]

​@GarageGear you're welcome buddy. Side note,my Toro 21564 has a TSB out that replaces the carburetor with one that doesn't sputter. I learned this just today through my local Toro dealer, and they are ordering me one up under warranty!

[@GarageGear]

@AEAC good to know thanks for sharing

[@travisedmiston8001]

I know the owner manual says 2950-3100 rpm. I personally have mine running 3250 rpm and it cuts very good.

[@bob21colts]

I switched from new hrx217 to timemaster after 2 years, only complaint is no side discharge on Honda mowers. Love my timemaster, no problems after 2 years

[@GarageGear]

Thanks for sharing Bob

[@LL-mt2nz]

The Timemaster is an excellent finish mower. That’s why so many landscaping companies use them. Over the last few years, many features of the Turfmaster have migrated to the Timemaster

[@MV-df8jl]

I have both mowers and the both leaked oil from the valve cover. I had to pull both out, clean up the old sealant and put new gasket maker on both to stop the leak

[@GarageGear]

Appreciate you sharing this with the community MV

[@andresnoneya]

Bought a Honda harmony hhr16 for 80 bucks starts up like a champ. I just moved into a house and now I gotta do all this kind of stuff and Honda is always a good way to go, I even own a Honda accord lol subbed and liked!

[@GarageGear]

@@andresnoneya can’t go wrong with a Honda!

[@Josh_GT500]

The self propel recently went out in my old mid 1990s Honda HR 215. During my searching I saw Honda push mowers were on sale at the Home Depot during Memorial Day weekend. So I went with the HRX217HYA. Just waiting for it to arrive to the store so I can pick it up. Hoping to get a good few decades of mowing out oof it.

[@GarageGear]

Awesome enjoy the mow josh

[@peteremberley6314]

I have 2 HRX models which I use commercially. The 200 cc engine is unstoppable, no comparison. I have cut grass 4 feet high, that is the truth. I set it at the highest setting and the slowest pace. It is incredible how it chews it up and don't bog out. After the 4" cut, I run over it again to clean it up. My HRX has the same transmission as the snowblower. It is incredible. It can crawl at a snail pace or you can trot to keep up. The only thing I noticed, that you didn't mention was the valve cover on the HRX. Both of mine started to weep oil in a very short period, the ES model lost the spring that holds the forward motion handle in place. The 3rd thing was the speed cable had to be adjusted as it had slowed down quite a bit. It is currently June 1, 2024 in Newfoundland Canada. It has been raining for almost 2 months straight. The HRX completely packed the grass bag full and then some. The grass was very heavy. The forward motion lever is completely different on the models that I have than the one in the video. The HRX is an absolute beast of a mower. I wouldn't part with it. It is heavy having to haul it backward up a hill. I purchased these Honda mowers to replace the AWD Toro models. I can honestly say 100%, Toro does not come close to the quality of the Honda HRX. 10 inches of damp grass and you will be lucky to fill the bag 1/3rd, if you can keep it from stalling out. Love the videos, I always check to see if you have a review or maintenance tips of any lawn products I purchase.

[@wayneessar7489]

I am on the south west corner of Canada in BC and you ate right on all points...! I had to learn to pick up the bag with 2 hands when it's full of wet grass.

[@GarageGear]

Appreciate you sharing your experience with the community my friend! Good Info for people to see!

[@thomasdowneyjr.4162]

I love my used HRX 190 cc i got last year.....

[@GarageGear]

Awesome! Thanks for sharing

[@joemcmillan2089]

My HRX was purchased new in 2003. Neighbor borrowed it and has now purchased one for himself.

[@GarageGear]

@@joemcmillan2089 hahaha same thing happened with a friend of mine and my hrn! Thanks for sharing Joe!

[@shay1116]

I have had a HRX for 15 years and it still starts on the first pull.

[@GarageGear]

Thanks for sharing shay

[@blackhawks1870]

What gas you use?

[@shay1116]

@@blackhawks1870 Only tier 1 brands and octane depends on what I have on hand.

[@markd9105]

I bought the Hrx select drive a few weeks ago. So far I'm happy with it, it starts on the first pull all the time. The drive is pretty smooth no fast starts.The cut is very good, mulches nice. It is a little heavy when pulling back and making turns but nothing major. It's been pretty easy cleaning the deck except of course if the grass is damp and any mower will be messy. So far I've been happy with it and i didn't mention it has a lot of power to pull the grass up and make cuts.👍 I would buy again fot for sure except they stop making them 😢

[@GarageGear]

@@markd9105 glad you’re happy with your new mower mark!

[@rickf8166]

I bought the HRX last week after watching your video comparing it against the Toro Super Recycler. I was torn, but ultimately you were the deciding factor, thanks JB!

[@GarageGear]

Glad I could help you out Rick! 👍

[@mikehouser5430]

I love my older HRX

[@GarageGear]

Awesome mower! 👍

[@gmrtg1414]

I’ve had both and prefer the HRX over the HRN.

[@GarageGear]

Thanks for sharing

[@furballbear]

@gmrtg1414 - Would you please explain why?

[@gmrtg1414]

@@furballbear The number one reason is the wheels on the HRX are a rubber vs hard plastic. If your yard isn’t smooth the HRN seems to bounce around a lot.

[@tomhoare9367]

I absolutely love the detail you go into without wasting time. your reviews are so streamlined and well made. thank you!!

[@GarageGear]

Hey Tom! I like giving the viewer what they came to see. Thanks for being a cool fan 👍

[@Corpsman95]

Please put a visual like a whiteboard where you compare/contrast both for us at look at and take notes ! Thank you!! ❤

[@GarageGear]

Not a bad idea !

[@GMvideo429]

Purchased an HRX about 4 years ago. Its been a great mower. I was am considering the Timemaster since I have a over a 1/2 acre.

[@GarageGear]

I would get a rider or a zero turn and save yourself the headaches.

[@Tyler-ii4yb]

Hey GarageGear, love your channel! I've watched many of your videos. I have a dilemma, I've been researching quite a while now on lawn mowers and have been trying to find one that isn't self propelled (For a summer mowing business). I came across the Honda HRN216PKA, but people claim that the PKA models and some of the HRN series mowers miss spots and leave patches in the grass. Do you have any recommendations? Should I look for a different mower or what do you think about the PKA? (I'm not looking for a self propelled because my father said it requires more maintenance and is very annoying when it breaks down, but after watching your HRN216VKA videos, I doubt it, what do you think?)

[@GarageGear]

Hey Tyler. Both are good models. Just a matter of preference. The HRN216vka has not given me a single issue in 4 years of owning it. I find the self propel really helpful. Appreciate you and the positive feedback my friend! 👍

[@Rudysuarez514]

Awesome video. Love my HRX. Should be good for a while

[@GarageGear]

Oh yeah. Enjoy the mow this season.

[@davepowell3001]

Thanks for the great video. I own both mowers you tested and pretty much agreed with all of your comments. Question: I have an HRX purchased in 2022 and an HRN purchased in 2023 (I wanted another HRX but they were no where to be found), how can I tell if my mowers have been updated with the camshaft issue update? Thank you so much!

[@GarageGear]

@@davepowell3001 hey Dave! This video should help you out SHOULD YOU BUY A HONDA LAWN MOWER IN 2024? (3 Things To Check) kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqe0iaxsbNuesK8

[@RJB]

I bought an EGO mower a few months ago and its fine, but i do have some regrets about not getting another Honda. Oh well. Thank you for the video.

[@GarageGear]

You got it rjb!

[@kayakdan48]

On my new HRX purchased this Spring, I thought they forgot to send the oil and there was residue in the crankcase so suspected it was used. Upon checking further, the oil was (hidden:) under the deck and discovered they test each model before release for sale which explained the oil residue in the engine!

[@GarageGear]

@@kayakdan48 thanks for sharing this Dan!

[@danquinn8902]

I love my HRN216. JB would you consider doing a quick tutorial for a general tune up. Oil change and blade sharpening no problem. Carb stuff, I have no idea. Thanks Dan 🇨🇦

[@GarageGear]

That’s a good idea! Thanks for sharing this! I’ll add it to the list.

[@Destroyer-Grizzly-BIH]

I’m really leaning on getting one of these mower’s pretty soon.

[@GarageGear]

Grab one my friend! You won’t be disappointed

[@Destroyer-Grizzly-BIH]

@@GarageGear As of today, it looks like I’ll definitely be doing some lawn mower shopping being my craftsman 6.0 mower deck is all rusted to hell.

[@donnovicki9771]

is that turtle wax ceramic spray I see on the work bench? That's what I use on my stuff....

[@GarageGear]

Hey Don! Yep a friend gave it to me! Use it to shine up some equipment!

[@lttlejordan23]

So I have been researching new mowers for awhile now, to replace an older one that I am just not interested in spending more money on to get back to solid working condition. The Toro 21462 22" is a strong candidate, and so is the Honda HRN model in your video. In your opinion, what would your recommend? I have reservations about buying the Honda due to them pulling out of the US market. I would hate to be at a point where either parts aren't readily available or the tail end of my warranty is in jeopardy. But I love what the Honda offers, especially hearing from other owners that love theirs. Any insight would be great. For reference, I have a medium sized lawn. I never let it get too long. No inclines either. Very easy to navigate and maneuver around as well. Self-propelled is nice, but it isn't a feature that I absolutely need (or at least it isn't one that I need the best "version" of). PS. Keep up the awesome work on the channel! Thoroughly enjoy the content 👍

[@GarageGear]

Hey Jordan! Hondas are built better than toros in my experience. Parts should still be around for a while considering they are still made and sold overseas. Thanks for being a cool fan!

[@lttlejordan23]

@@GarageGear That makes sense. I am starting to lean toward the Honda. Just want something that I can get some serious longevity out of, so I am not having to worry too much about it over the year. Something that proper maintenance will keep running. I appreciate response! Always nice to have channels that give sold feedback and information 👍

[@GarageGear]

@@lttlejordan23 you’ll get some longevity out of that Honda. The latest toros have issues backing up. Big pain in the neck.

[@mrRoverkane]

FYI, my local Lowe’s and HD are now fully stocked with Hondas. Issue is all fixed

[@Glenn-XC]

Same here

[@GarageGear]

Appreciate you sharing this bud!

[@krazyj1957]

My neighbor purchased an HRN a few years ago. She is retired and loves mowing her lawn. Unfortunately, her mowing days came to an end after bypass surgery. The mower sat in the backyard for a few years she called and gave it to me. I had told her we were looking for a used mower to do parts of the yard I couldn't get with our riding mower. I cleaned it up, got old gas out, and replaced the carb and it runs great.

[@GarageGear]

Awesome krazyj! Perfect mower for what you need!

[@Jake-st5mm]

I have 3 HRX's, all the 190s in excellent condition. Purchased off Facebook marketplace for $100 each. People let them sit over winter and the carbs foul, hence the cheap price. I love sitting on 3k worth of mowers.

[@GarageGear]

Oh wow! What a deal!

[@kanyeeastlolz]

Your neighbor is stunting on you with that HRX haha great!

[@GarageGear]

Hahaha yea my he sure is!

[@bryanmorgan8940]

Love my Honda HRN216 VYAA

[@GarageGear]

Thanks for sharing bryan

[@robertsaca3512]

HRU216 is best, mostly because of the cast bore.

[@GarageGear]

Big win there!

[@JMin3435]

Looking for a new mower. Is the HDRX worth an extra $150 or just save it and get the HDRN?

[@GarageGear]

@@JMin3435 if you need a more powerful engine and ball bearings in the wheels go for it.

[@fs22gamer-pr4xt]

You should test out a hrr216 I have one that lasted me 20 years so far many more to come 🎉

[@fs22gamer-pr4xt]

Specifically 2004 model

[@GarageGear]

I’ll have to keep my eyes out for that!

[@georgehutcheson9679]

I was wondering if I had the only HRR 216 in the world. I just picked it up for 80 bucks, and it's a great mower.

[@Carlos.Rivera]

The vtec joke caught me off guard 😂 I have the HRN thanks to you. Best investment i did. My complaint is the lack of traction of the wheels

[@GarageGear]

Hahaha still waiting for it to kick in! Throw on some bike tires for added grip! Works great

[@Guillotines_For_Globalists]

I've been using Toto's Personal Pace since 2007 but never had any issues or complaints - I love it. However today I just purchased a Honda HRX217K6HYAD so I know it will be getting used to a new system again.

[@GarageGear]

@@Guillotines_For_Globalists you’ll have it down after the first mow

[@Guillotines_For_Globalists]

@@GarageGear Why all the hate for Personal Pace though? I thought it worked flawlessly, never had a hiccup. Of course I have replaced a transmission and all 4 wheels 10 years ago on this Toro Recycler from 2007. Not horrible for maintenance.

[@GarageGear]

@@Guillotines_For_Globalists on the older models it works great. But on newer ones they have issues backing up. They make them cheaper nowadays.

[@Guillotines_For_Globalists]

@@GarageGear I do see that the newer Toro mowers have a curved handle design that the older ones didn't. Now that you mention it, I've noticed for quite some time now, my Toro's rear wheels do NOT spin in reverse. I am not sure why that is. I recently removed the star gears and applied anti-seize to both the axle shaft beneath the star gears as well as the wheel bushings/bolts. The wheels move perfectly smoothly in forward but will not spin backwards. Perhaps that is what you are referring to. However for forward motion it is really a dream to use. Anyways that doesn't matter, I'll be selling the Toro as I have this brand new Honda that I hope to own for at least 15-20 years if I can milk it along for that long as I have with the Toros of our past.

[@GarageGear]

@@Guillotines_For_Globalists I would say you’ll get some good time out of that honda

[@michaeldavis6550]

Ok JB, My HRN 216 VKA Had to be exchanged when i noticed spider web type cracking all over the side of the engine block on the dip stick side. I returned it & it was also on the next one so swapped that & the same thing happened again so decided to give them 1 more try & home depo gave me a credit to make up for the troubles so the last try which is the 4th one now. I decided to get the HRN 216 VYA & i love the throttle control & blade stop & best of all no cracks on the side of the engine. Unfortunately Fed Ex delevered it today & the whole box was not in good shape but thankfully the mower seems to be ok other then the bars were slightly bent, so i thought but turns out one side was latched in a different position then the other. Love the extra features with controls. My only question is where do you recommend me leaving the throttle during break in. Thanks bud

[@GarageGear]

@@michaeldavis6550 hey Michael! I’ve seen those “crack lines” on these before and I believe they are from the mold they are made in. Seen a bunch and all those engines performed fine. Just concerning when you haven’t seen them before. Glad you got a clean one though. Minus the handle issue. I would run the mower on full throttle during break in! Set yourself up for success!

[@michaeldavis6550]

@GarageGear Great Thank you, full Throttle it is lol. That cracking was really aweful looking & couldn't stand it at all & casting I did think that's could of been all it was but I don't know that's just something I wasn't gonna accept on a $600 mower. As far as I'm concerned for that much money all I wanna see is perfection in every inch of the machine.

[@michaeldavis6550]

@GarageGear I also wish I could send you a picture of the mower me & a buddy just got running. Pulled it out of my shed where it's been buried for the last 30yrs. It's A Montgomery Wards push mower with a 3.5 Tucumson engine & it's running pretty good & the mower excites me. My Dad purchased This & the Matching lawn tractor brand new in 1986. That was a great tractor to & used it forever before he got a john deere & the push mower ended up in the back of the shed one day & never moved again. Now I will use it once in a while as a back up to my honda & use it for things I don't wanna use my Honda for lol. I'm sure you would apericate this as well

[@michaeldavis6550]

@GarageGear I also forgot to mention besides the cracking they were also leaking oil out of where the dipstick connects to the block on them as well. Just unacceptable.

[@GarageGear]

@@michaeldavis6550 thanks for sharing this too Michael! Must have been a dud or two or three! That Montgomery ward sounds like an old champ!

[@d_dizzie_druck5753]

I said it before, I'll say it again: I ❤ my old Hondas!😊

[@GarageGear]

Can’t beat em dizzie!

[@tipsyrippers]

Wow awesome video ! I was litterly just going to make this same video on both mowers.

[@GarageGear]

Haha wow! Crazy! You make it I’ll check it out! 👍👍

[@kellrockets101]

This is great...I was just looking at both of these models. Probably going to go with the HRX. Hope it lasts a decent number of years

[@tipsyrippers]

@@kellrockets101 I got the HRN. Showed my brother in law and mowed his grass with it. He bought the HRX a couple days later !!

[@charlessndenton]

Considering the new Stihl 655 or 756. Do you have any experience with those yet? Thanks

[@GarageGear]

Not yet! Would like to get my paws on one

[@vincesorrentino7871]

The Bag Mulch Lever can be Difficult to move if you have Dried Grass under the Deck

[@GarageGear]

True! Best to keep it clean

[@Jaredxstp]

Looking to upgrade from my first lawnmower a ego select cut. These Honda mowers look nice!! Sometimes I don’t think my ego does the best my yard is nice and thick

[@GarageGear]

@@Jaredxstp can’t go wrong with a Honda!

[@LL-mt2nz]

Ego mowers are too light. The one point height adjuster also causes the deck to float causing uneven cuts. Finally the blade is so thin, it doesn’t have the cutting power of the Honda. It may have more revs per minute, but it’s pushing a much thinner and lighter blade.

[@Jaredxstp]

@@LL-mt2nz i didn’t think about that. Do gas mowers do good cutting grass when it gets long and wanna cut short? My ego is my first and only mower and I gotta cut more often I feel so I don’t let it get long or else it leaves chunks of mulch on right side even with a sharp blade and hope a gas mower would help with that

[@LL-mt2nz]

If you want ultimate cutting power in a gas mower, get a 190cc engine (no less than 160cc). If you want a battery mower, the Toro Super Recycler can handle long grass just as well as its gas counterpart. If you want power with an excellent cut it’s the Honda HRX or Toro Super Recycler (not the regular Recycler- that’s a completely different machine)

[@Jaredxstp]

@@LL-mt2nz appreciate the feedback the Honda hex is what I’ve been looking into. Gonna upgrade this coming spring

[@johnmartin5153]

Also do you have any tips for keeping the inside above the blades from rusting ? Maybe put some fluid film on there ?

[@GarageGear]

Fluid film works or you can coat the deck with slip plate!

[@johnmartin5153]

@@GarageGear cool thanks man !

[@mrRoverkane]

I love my HRN216VYA but when the bag is full, it barely has any power to self propel

[@GarageGear]

Thanks for sharing rover! Have a great weekend!

[@christopherblack4520]

Mulch better for the lawn and faster

[@mrRoverkane]

@@christopherblack4520ya I understand. But house I bought came with dallisgrass. Mulch is the last thing I want to do. A yearly pound of free nitrogen (mulched grass) isn’t gonna kill me. I’ll dig it all up this coming winter. Dallisgrass is no joke down here in Tx. Plus, bagged looks way better, in my opinion. Clippings go in my garden.

[@rezanorouzian8198]

One important criterion for evaluating two models from a new generation is to look at how they have evolved from their prior generations. HRX217 K5 (prior generation) is almost identical to HRX217 K6 (current generation) save for a more powerful engine in the K6 and a few aesthetics (that's why the generations are only distinguished from each other by "K#"). However, HRR216 (prior generation) has drastically gone downhill as it evolved into HRN216 (current generation). From wheels to the unibody structure, HRN216 is definitely a super cheaped-out version of HRR216. In the past, it was fairly easy for many to prefer HRR216 over HRX217 K5 mainly due to the pricing difference, and knowing that they would both last for years. But now, HRX217 K6 is many many times more durable and solid than HRN216 and is often on sale:)

[@GarageGear]

@@rezanorouzian8198 thanks for sharing this my friend!

[@ltmdf117]

Love the channel. Im a push pull like of mower in places. Are these mowers suitable for that??

[@GarageGear]

@@ltmdf117 yep they work fine for that! 👍thanks for being a cool fan

[@mattdickey2454]

I bought the hrn216. Love it, but need to mow a little higher. Wondering if I could put larger wheels on it. Have you seen this done? Could I simply replace with HRX wheels on the HRN?

[@mattdickey2454]

It may help traction as well.

[@GarageGear]

@@mattdickey2454 hey Matt! Do you have the height adjusters all the way up? Also I don’t think the hrx wheels fit on the hrn.

[@mattdickey2454]

@@GarageGear yessir, I thought about screwing a bike tire around it like in your video to add height.

[@GarageGear]

@@mattdickey2454 or you could try adding another notch in your height adjusters somehow.

[@johnmartin5153]

I’m going to open mine up tomorrow. Is there anything thing I should know before I open it up ? Just pour gas in and fire up ?

[@GarageGear]

Make sure you put the oil they give you in it! 👍

[@lizardears4861]

Can someone answer this please - Does the twin blades on the Honda HRN and HRX models cut buffalo grass lawns ok?

[@GarageGear]

@@lizardears4861 that’s some thick stuff. I would say it should.

[@lizardears4861]

@@GarageGearsorry it’s called st Augustine grass in the US. I’m in Australia

[@GarageGear]

@@lizardears4861 oh ok in that case yes it will

[@mnoble0902]

I just bought my first single family home with about a 1/4 acre. I went with the HRX217!! Amazing mower. First time in eight years I’ve had to cut grass since leaving my parents home. 😅

[@GarageGear]

ROCK ON my friend! Enjoy the mow!

[@mnoble0902]

@@GarageGear Thank you!

[@CliffBarnett-t8m]

What are your thoughts on a hu 675 awd mower, worth the buy ? or should I just stay away ?

[@GarageGear]

@@CliffBarnett-t8m hey Cliff those are decent basic mowers. The awd isn’t necessary it’s just a gimmick and it’s just more parts to fix when they break. Decent cut on those. 👍

[@cds5067]

can you apply some wax to the underdeck of a mower to stop it rusting? or even lightly put on some tallow/lard? i mean sure paint is ideal but the natural toxic-free paint is expensive as anything and i have pets.

[@GarageGear]

@@cds5067 you could apply wax to it! You’ll just have to get it really clean before applying

[@spectre3492]

What do you do with the extra mowers you reviewed? Takes up a lot of space

[@GarageGear]

@@spectre3492 I sell them pretty quick once I’m done filming a few videos with them. I have 3 that I keep! 👍

[@lukeambrose2208]

I’ve had my HRN for 3 yrs and the back tires are smooth but again the mower has been through the ringer and always starts first pull

[@GarageGear]

Thanks for sharing luke

[@BigRobChicagoPL]

Just bought one to replace my severe oil burning 1992ish Lawn Boy Silver Series. I loved that green thing with the staggered wheels but it was time. So glad I could snag the hrn it's such a huge upgrade for me

[@GarageGear]

@@BigRobChicagoPL Honda knows how to make them my friend

[@montefiveforty1]

Wish they made a 22inch version like Toro.

[@GarageGear]

That would be nice!

[@michaeldavis6550]

And a side discharge would top things off nicely.

[@CobraChipper]

Does the HRX 217 have belt guard ? By the way great video l just subscribed.

[@GarageGear]

@@CobraChipper hey cobra I believe it’s partially covered. Do you have a lot of branches that fall down in your yard? Thanks for subscribing

[@CobraChipper]

@@GarageGear Yes I do have some sticks I pick up the big ones and mow the little ones.The mower I have now is 12 years old so I would like to get the Honda before they are all gone. Home Depot has a sale on them for $599.00 plus 10 percent off 😮 What do you think ? Thanks for all your help.

[@CobraChipper]

@@GarageGear I left you the same comment on another one of your videos because I was have trouble getting back to you on this video 🤷‍♂️Sorry.

[@GarageGear]

@@CobraChipper ok thanks for the heads up. If you pick up the sticks by hand you lessen the chance of a stick jamming up your belt. That’s really the only main concern. Get that Honda while you still can! 👍

[@CobraChipper]

@@GarageGear Just got back from Home Depot,I bought the Honda HRX 217 out the door for $528 with tax ! I talked the guy into giving me an extra $50 off the price. 😮

[@jamesweber4938]

Seeing as they are rear wheel drive what do you do when making a turn ? On my front wheel drive mower I lift the wheels off the ground and then make the turn or the wheels chew up the grass.

[@GarageGear]

Hey James! When you approach the turn, you let go of the smart drive handle and the wheels stop. You then make your turn and hit the smart drive again. Think of it like your gas pedal. Brake into a turn gas out of a turn!

[@WJCTechyman]

Honda's still making engines, so it's not a total loss. The sad thing is we don't get them in Canada anymore either because for some reason, our mowers are made in the same plant as the American models. That being said, I never had any engine that worked like a Honda. I mean, clones and Kohler Command Pros are pretty close. I have the HRX217HYC, with the traditional Honda handles that is incredibly similar to the HRX217HYA. I also have the HRC216HXC, the commercial model similar to the top of the line American HRC216HYA and it also has the similar handle bar setup. They're both great machines and wouldn't trade them for anything else. However, if they wear out, I may look into a Scag SFC21 or SFC30.

[@GarageGear]

I agree! Hold on to those bad boys! 👍

[@Gregwing]

Do you still recommend the graphite spray for the plastic deck of the HRX?

[@GarageGear]

It’s worth a shot!

[@Gregwing]

@@GarageGear Thank you. Watching this, I have gone and purchased the HRX217 from HD. SO far your recommendations for Snow Blower (Ariens 24" deluxe) and Generator (Harbor Freight Predator 4000) have not let me down. I have learned a lot for upkeep of my equipment from your videos, Thank you.

[@GarageGear]

@@Gregwing ROCK ON Greg! Glad these videos are helping you out!

[@shangrilaladeda]

Hrx 217 has the better cutting system

[@GarageGear]

Thanks for watching and sharing shangril! 👍

[@riceburner4747]

Okay, dumb question. Can u swap HRX rubber tires in place of an HRR 216? Or any other Honda mower?🤔 👍

[@GarageGear]

I don’t think you can but that would make for an interesting test. The height of cut would definitely be different

[@deansarow6259]

Honda makes a great mower,England and Australia have battery mowers, hoping Honda brings them to the U.S.A.

[@GarageGear]

Thanks for sharing

[@2343br]

Got a question for JB, I've got the HRX217 and have noticed the handle makes a loud buzzing and vibrating sound when going over bumps. I tried to tighten down the hex bolt but discovered it is welded to the frame. Any way I can quiet this?

[@GarageGear]

I would check your handle bar adjusters to see if they are the problem there.

[@gpalmerify]

My only question about using the HRX bag on the HRN would be "does the 170cc engine have what it takes to fill the higher volume?"

[@shangrilaladeda]

It may not have the power to fill the bag up since it’s bigger you need more force, why don’t you just mulch it’s better for the land anyway

[@GarageGear]

I would say it does! The hrn has plenty of power

[@gpalmerify]

@@GarageGear Okay, I think the fact that the HRX can bag/mulch might be the reason they went with the 220cc since it requires more power to mulch and push grass in a larger volume bag at the same time.

[@Hooterzutoob]

Are the wheels interchangeable from the HRX to the HRN?

[@GarageGear]

As far as I know no. They would throw off the height of cut too if that is important to you

[@hockey2806]

Alright Garage Gear…tell me how I did today Bought a 3yr old HRX217HYA for $400. Came with spare blades, air filters, gaskets, belt, 3 Amsoil bottles, 4 cycle TruFuel bottle, winter cover and bagger. Previous owner took religious care of it

[@GarageGear]

You my friend, hit the jackpot! 👍

[@AaronMcGlamery]

Awesome video!! I know a guy trying to sell me a used one time basic HRX that he bought last fall. And now he has back problems, so he’s selling it. For $400. I already have a HRN I just bought this year and my older HRR that’s in great condition. I don’t need 3 push mowers 😂but I sure do want an HRX. Only because Honda is not going to be making anymore!! And in 10-15 years everything is going to be electric ⚡️. So I’m thinking about buying it and just put them all 3 in rotation… My wife thinks I’m crazy!! Can you tell me your thoughts 💭?? Anyone chime in please. I need some advice to tell my wife. Why I need 3 Honda mowers. lol. By the way the slip plate spray is not working very good on my mower. Grass sticks like crazy still. That’s for the great advice.

[@GarageGear]

Hey my friend! Tell your wife I have 4 lawn mowers and I’m thriving lol! Many subscribers have told me they have bought another Honda and put it in storage. Perhaps consider doing that and storing it in an attic somewhere.

[@AaronMcGlamery]

@@GarageGear great idea!! I’m going just start buying them all that I can find in great shape for a cheap price. Love the videos man!! Keep on grinding brother

[@GarageGear]

@@AaronMcGlamery ROCK ON my friend

[@MatthewEveleigh]

Is the electric start worth it for the Honda mower?

[@GarageGear]

It’s a nice feature to have! 👍

[@thepineconecounter]

I saw your video on treating the mower with slip plate. I may purchase the hrx. Does the hrx nexite deck need treatment for grass buildup? Thanks

[@GarageGear]

Every mower can benefit from it. Thanks for watching!

[@thepineconecounter]

Great videos!

[@ChrisFredriksson]

Awesome video as always JB! ❤ One thing that came to my mind, a video that I haven't seen on your channel and one that I don't think you have done. Cleaning mower bags.. Perhaps not the funniest video to make, but you must have cleaned one sometime right? I've been struggling twice now with my lawn tractor where the collector bag just pops "off" or open, killing the tractor.. I figured out yesterday that.. hmm, the bag was too dirty 😂😋 After cleaning it the tractor works perfect again...

[@GarageGear]

Thanks for the positive feedback, my friend. I mentioned it one of my lawn mower cleaning videos in the past. You can hit it with a hose or a pressure washer in the future. You can also hang it in a fence post and rinse it that way. Glad it came clean for you and worked again. Thanks for being a cool fan as always.

[@danwong1023]

Whats everyone using for oil?

[@GarageGear]

@@danwong1023 5w30 full synthetic here! Usually super tech!

[@gearhead-do1xh]

I just got a new house on a 1/3 of an acre with a large walkout basement 🇨🇦. I'm still trying to decide what would be the best long term investment in a mower for durability, performance and reliability? I'm leaning to the two here in your review and the Toro super recycler unless there's something better to consider? What are your recommendations and why? I keep reading mixed reviews on these Honda's and the super recycler what's the truth? (I'm not that handy yet coming from condo living so reducing repairs and easy maintenance and joy of ownership are top of mind. Thanks again for it insights

[@GarageGear]

Hey gearhead! I would go with the HRX! You’ll have plenty of trouble free mows. The super recycler cuts great but has drive issues. 👍

[@gearhead-do1xh]

What do you think about going the electric route with the new Toro 60v super recycler instead? I'm not setup with tools or the skillset for dyi home repairs and maintenance coming from years living the condo life

[@GarageGear]

@@gearhead-do1xh you’re just asking for more problems with that battery mower. They still have the same drive system and back up issues even if they have a battery motor on top.

[@gearhead-do1xh]

Thanks for your insights. Keep up the great contend ☀️

[@GarageGear]

@@gearhead-do1xh appreciate you being a cool fan gearhead

[@The_Mace]

"Deck suction" is important factor when choosing a mower...and a girlfriend. 🤣 Good video, JB! Glad you were able to work in another one of my one-liners. Forgot to tell you though, only the first one is free. 😝🤣

[@GarageGear]

A lot of truth in that statement! lol! I actually went back and re shot that line. Fit perfectly there! Have your account manager send me a bill lol! Appreciate the humor help my friend! 👍👍

[@alangendron8364]

Watched this today and headed to HD only to find they dropped the price of the HRX217 to $599. No brainer with my military discount also. I got the last one at that store. Thanks for all the positive comments that got my rear in gear.

[@GarageGear]

@@alangendron8364 awesome my friend! That’s a score right there! 👍

[@FaithfulDetailing]

I love the crab grass seeds on the table 😂😂😂

[@GarageGear]

Those are for the annoying neighbors! 😈😂👍

[@misterh1]

I got rid of my last Honda because you couldn't change the self-propel drive belt without pulling the engine. That was a mistake on my part as the red bull I replaced it with is the worst mower I've ever owned. But I do wonder, is this one a little easier to replace consumable parts on?

[@GarageGear]

Some mowers are like that where you gotta get the engine out of the way! Thanks for watching

[@joevoegeli4959]

Did anyone notice that Home Depot dropped the price on the HRX to $699?? Dang!

[@GarageGear]

That’s what I heard! Thanks for sharing

[@juan6810]

My local home depot still have honda mowers for sale

[@GarageGear]

Thanks for sharing Juan

[@37gdog]

How does the twin blade do in thick Bermuda grass?

[@GarageGear]

@@37gdog as far as I know fine. Perhaps someone else in the south can comment on this.

[@BenNawrath]

I wonder what the wheel axle diameter is on each. Maybe you can get ball bearing wheels to replace the plastic ones on the HRN.

[@GarageGear]

Ben! We have to hang out some time! You’re the king of ingenuity! 👍

[@BenNawrath]

@@GarageGear haha absolutely! Come on down to king island sometime. You’ll like my garage 😇 I’m an engineer, so I’m cursed with always trying to figure out how to modify stuff lol

[@callumfreebairn8082]

honda mowers are the best mowers! well done honda!

[@GarageGear]

@@callumfreebairn8082 they sure are

[@jameszclark]

Is a blue sticker the same as the green sticker?

[@GarageGear]

@@jameszclark yes it is

[@SVW1976]

For the algorithm! KZbins hiding these from me. 😂

[@GarageGear]

Appreciate you SVW! Hope more Garage Gear content finds its way to your home page! 👍👍

[@GeometryWars]

Love my GCV 170, but have had to Honda bond the valve cover after only a year. Bummer

[@michaelmaier2113]

Did the same thing on my hrr216 and my parents hrn 216. I used permatex right stuff sealer. The Honda bond sealer isn’t good, I don’t know why it starts leaking after only a year of use. What I do know is that mine will never ever leak again with permatex right stuff!

[@GarageGear]

Thanks for sharing geometry wars. Interesting you had to do that!

[@GeometryWars]

@@michaelmaier2113 Apparently it’s very common on these unfortunately. Really disappointing Honda doesn’t change their manufacturing/building processes. From what I’ve read Honda Bond is actually the gold standard. The issue seems to be that they don’t put enough on the valve cover to bond properly. My valve cover had almost none and even one area which didn’t appear to have any. Since redoing mine it’s been fine. I will keep the Permatex in mind should it fail again. Thanks for the tip!

[@GeometryWars]

@@GarageGear Thanks for the comment. Love the channel and all that you do!

[@GarageGear]

@@GeometryWars appreciate you my friend

[@joevoegeli4959]

Do you know if the HRX 217 can be stored vertically like the Toro models?

[@GarageGear]

No it cannot be stored vertically!

[@joevoegeli4959]

@@GarageGear thanks! I looked all over Honda’s website and the manual. I bought one! I am sure I will like it better than the FWD Toro Super Recycler.

[@BigDaddysGarage]

Tough call.

[@GarageGear]

Sure is! Guess it just comes down to assessing the needs of your lawn and what youll need out of a mower!