Honda OEM Parts SUCK!- Caution This is a Rant!

[@OneLegged-honda-mechanic]

Honda is also denying the fact the compressors leak.

[@flatratemaster]

I have my 4th Honda R1234yf Compressor to do sitting next to me

[@maxsmoviechannel]

Hey brother I'm starting at Honda Monday, so I just subbed to your channel lol

[@OneLegged-honda-mechanic]

@@maxsmoviechannel Thanks so much, man! Good luck at Honda 👍

[@maxsmoviechannel]

@@OneLegged-honda-mechanic thanks brother!

[@ozzstars_cars]

The a/c in my 1987 Ford Ranger has worked flawless from day one. The secret is I crank both front windows down and drive as fast as the 90hp 2.3L four banger will let me. Never needs a recharge. haha

[@joeishere500]

Yup ,,, FREE A.C.!

[@ozzstars_cars]

I guess the EPA isn't involved in this situation because the OEM's would start getting fined for all the refrigerant that's constantly leaking out into the atmosphere. Then they would triple check the quality of a/c parts.

[@dakotataylor7909]

Especially with the cost of it. Who's paying for the leaks? Shouldn't be the customer.

[@jarrodgrimsley1578]

I’m a Honda dealer tech and I would agree there condensers are trash that’s y theres a service bulletin

[@aaronr1926]

But remember the compressors dont leak, it's just assembly lube.

[@jarrodgrimsley1578]

Yeah I know right. And the evaporator leak so much to

[@aaronr1926]

I've had a few evaporators leak, I've only works on hondas for 6 years, has it always been this bad. I know 2 big things are the airbags and piston rings and we still deal with them today.

[@jarrodgrimsley1578]

Some of the civic have blocks that crack and all of the at trans suck I do at least 1 Torque converter a month

[@aaronr1926]

I just did one on a 2018 pilot 6speed, the torque converter was on back order for almost 3 months

[@BlindBatG34]

Years ago I had to warranty out a bunch of batteries. According to the distributor rep, the workers had a beef with management and were assembling the cells incorrectly. Sounds like similar issues with the condensor supplier.

[@jimg8049]

Sounds like Dorman is making parts for Honda now too, like they do for Mopar. :/

[@n9wox]

Sounds like just a problem with Honda's AC parts supplier. ETCG1 uses Honda OEM parts most of the time and has gotten burned by using Moog, etc.

[@jarrodgrimsley1578]

The new condenser are just trash

[@jarrodgrimsley1578]

Honestly the after market denso is the best ones to get

[@jondurrett9277]

Honda quality in general has taken a nosedive in recent years. The old b, d, and h series motors are still some of the best ones ever built. I had a 98 civic years ago and never had a problem with it except for the fact that it kept getting hit. Anyway, honda is just going off of their reputation now. Everything coming out now is just garbage

[@1970chevelle396]

That really sucks. I had a few bad brand new parts recently that wasted a bunch of my time and lost money on a few jobs.

[@meanodustino9563]

Yup i work at a dealership and we are going through this. In the meantime i have tossed 1000’s of probably good ones in the trash for the TSB they have. But in Canada we aren’t getting many bad ones? Strange. Maybe its a shipping thing🤪

[@chrisavalos7172]

Yeah most guys are too lazy to diagnose the actual AC leak so they just start with the condenser because it's automatically warrantied under the service bulletin.

[@wilsonzp]

I work a the honda dealer and they have a 10 year s.b for the condensers 16-20 civic, crv and accords which are made in Mexico and the civic compressors leak and honda has said not to replace under the 3-36 rule.... they say that is normal for the front seal to leak.....

[@ozzstars_cars]

That is unbelievable that Honda would say the refrigerant leak is normal.

[@terryharvey4811]

OK, shaft seals are lubed by oil and gas seeping out so yes they leak, but EPA says over 1/2 oz. per year must be fixed. At 1/2 oz per year, that's 1 1/2 oz. in 3 years. Less gas used in late model cars could easily cause performance issues. If you see soapy water bubbles or your sniffer indicates a shaft seal leak, you can bet the farm the leak is well in excess of 1/2 oz. per year....Honda is just ducking responsibility or worse yet, putting the customer off until warranty expires and he has to pay for the fix. TYPICAL MFG PRACTICE..,,...

[@ykmalachi]

*CCCP factories about to corner the market on Honda AC parts.

[@daveyio87]

taking a page out of GM's book. makes it more frustrating working on cars

[@mikeeustice4452]

All parts suck nowadays, manufactures and suppliers, Napa, advance,ac Delco all of them have all theses factories in china, and no one cares about quality control or acctability, everyone turns a blind eye, to the failures out of the box but the price keeps raising,

[@kurtkennedy5370]

Sadly, this is across the board. The people that get screwed, the shop and the customer. Ive never seen issues like this before. Aisin water pump puking straight from the box on a Tundra yesterday, damaged parts. etc. etc. I think these company released "second" parts due to manufacturing being down and we are seeing the outcome of it.

[@baileyhatfield4273]

Workers who could either A:Get paid X dollars to work a full 40 hour week or B:Get paid X+100 dollars to do ABSOLUTELY nothing and enjoy their life however they like. For sure demoralizing and nowheres near what should happen.

[@WorkSecondShift]

We have problems with the hoses and the condensers. Mostly on Civics and CR-Vs. The civic condensers are the most common though.

[@aaronr1926]

Now we have a tsb for the accords and I think crvs

[@corygamble4090]

I have a 2018 accord and I just got a letter from Honda saying that they are extending the a/c system warranty to 10 years now and they will pay you back if you have already had a/c work done.. the first thing they listed was the condenser in the letter

[@Terry_Baker]

Just started having factory issues with taillights. Spent an hour for a 25 minute job cause of this

[@townground]

Subaru tech here, I've replaced dozens and dozens of condensers under recall.

[@stevenfarley6909]

Who makes the condenser? Denso? Honda has struggled with ac components for a while now

[@westonmickey3890]

Denso is a parts manufacturer for Lexus and Toyota..

[@stevenfarley6909]

@@westonmickey3890 and many others…

[@MoparMadness93]

@@westonmickey3890 denso makes parts for Honda as well.

[@chrisavalos7172]

@@westonmickey3890 Denso is like Honda's number one parts supplier. As well as acura, nissan, toyota, Lexus, mazda, etc.

[@nathanknight9617]

I work at a Honda dealer and everything is in national backorder even brake pads…

[@skylinefever]

This just makes me think of My mom's 1985 Maxima and freidsnwho had a similar Maxima. They all had A/C systems that sucked. THat was back when R12 was in use.

[@garyharms4240]

There's one in my bay this week on condenser number 4 waiting on parts. It's reduciulus.

[@musiccitydiy]

There are lots of manufacturing problems going around it seems. I had to warranty half a dozen sockets from a major tool truck brand last month because they were undersized / didn’t fit on fasteners of the stated size.

[@olivercastillo7216]

One of my automotive teachers was a Honda Master Tech and mentioned this issue with the R1234yf Honda Civics, Accords, etc.

[@fmissale65]

Honda has definitely been hit or miss since the days of b and d series engines. Parts and cars in general.

[@93sundance]

GM's recent radiators are so lousy, I'd rather buy aftermarket...almost.

[@meabob]

No lie there. I got 2 bad radiators in 3 weeks, ordered one from a radiator shop and no issues.

[@EverydayJ1786]

Only one answer at this point . Go with the best name brand aftermarket part available .

[@flatratemaster]

The was none available, until after this was filmed

[@westonmickey3890]

That would be Mishimoto... ten thousand times better products than OEM for Honda.

[@ericbrock9387]

Thanks! I'm debating getting a new Civic and this is good info to know ahead of time!

[@westonmickey3890]

I don't know why you just wouldn't get a Mishimoto radiator if you were having issues with the OEM ones...

[@flatratemaster]

none available aftermarket no one had any

[@jamespn]

Honda is not what they used to be.

[@topherd1011]

I usually use Chinese condensers. They’re perfectly fine. They seem to make them alright enough. They at least don’t leak from the factory so far.. find me some wood to knock on. However I don’t have a YF vehicle yet. My two Toyotas are the last years they made R134 vehicles. Hopefully all the kinks are out by the time I have to buy one.

[@statedace3]

Almost makes me want a wing window installed...Ahhhh the good ole days.

[@jamespn]

1234YF a/c systems suck in general. Hondas and Toyotas don’t impress me anymore, I’d just assume get a Hyundai or Kia.

[@mph5896]

Angry employee at the manufacturing plant damaging parts?

[@vanquishstorm3806]

Hello. Interesting topic on the quality of Honda OEM parts. I have a question if you dont mind me asking, would turning over a 4cyl Honda B-series motor by hand (crank pulley) without oil in it cause any damage? My motor may have consumed some water due to a recent storm so I drained the motor oil/transmission fluid and pulled the spark plugs out, I'm assuming if there is any water remaining inside the motor that by turning it over by hand, the compression action would possibly help evacuate any water. Thank you for your time.

[@maxsmoviechannel]

Me who is starting at Honda on Monday 😢😱

[@TheToxiicLover]

have a 2016 honda civic with 42k miles. I recently brought the car to the Honda dealership due to the extended warranty on the recall. when I would come to a red light or stop sign my ac starts blowing warm air. they tested to see if it was leaking (it wasn't) so they just refilled my ac and I was on my way. Im sure ill be back for the same issue

[@rototiller78]

It may be the Motor Assembly, Temperature Driver, Honda part number 79160-SHJ-A41 that is for Odyssey. My Odyssey had a similar problem. It's the blend motor actuator. The motor that opens and closes vents that go to the floor and or top vents. Easy replacement, just area is a lil tight. Unfortunately the part has basically increased by 100 US dollars.

[@BubbaAyers1969]

Sounds to me someone at Honda either where there made or repackaged is vandalism.. that’s crazy that many messed up 🙂

[@etchosts8162]

Order from Ebay. I never had a problem.

[@etchosts8162]

@Bones McGillicuddy ive been in the auto industry for 10 years never had an issue with ebay.

[@Jordyblt]

There’s a bulletin they get a new for free at Honda. Over and over again

[@jessemedina4482]

So dealer techs are installing 10 leaking condensers in a row at warranty rate too... that's just fantastic. Absolutely no excuse or accountability for this behavior.. It just all gets dumped on technicians and eventually the customers when their warranty expires.

[@RaysGSR]

Hey FRM - Wasn't the new OEM condenser pressurized with plugs installed? I noticed the aftermarket evaporator and condenser I got for my 01 Integra were pressurized, and when u slowly remove the plugs you can hear the hissing/air come out. Which is a good way to prove the parts have no leaks before you install them! My condenser had some damage out of the box it was bowed/bent and I worried it leak. But I just carefully unbent it and then heard the hissing after I loosened the plugs, and after installing them so far no leaks!

[@flatratemaster]

none made a hiss, hence why I checked them

[@db7040]

Dang it that seriously SUCKS !!!! Now getting the customer to understand 😂 😂

[@traviskondo7910]

The condenser is warranty extension for 10 years .

[@flatratemaster]

only for leaks not damage

[@135SoHc]

Ever considered using something like say nitrogen to pressure test before going straight to the expensive stuff ?

[@baileyhatfield4273]

Expensive and probably ''BAd For The ENViROnEmENT'' stuff lol. they make it ''better'' for the environement but leak it out 10 times over, have somebody remanufacture these parts over and over and that is somehow better for the environement. Yeah ok

[@Auto209]

Legit Honda refused to recall this issue in the cars they have the faulty parts with!!

[@johnleinen9409]

Parts quality these days is really bad , I had 2 defective alternators for Fords in a row last week,first one no charge out of the box second one broken and cracked IN the box. Third one good.

[@Frank-pv1hp]

I'm curious what year the Civic you have is. We've had several come in recently and sent them to the dealer. There is an extended warranty on the condensers on a bunch of Honda's apparently

[@aaronr1926]

2016 to 2021 I believe, 10th generation civic

[@IamJTH]

What does my 2000 Accord have?

[@magnumjohnson9628]

I wonder if it has to do with the parts shortage?

[@aaronr1926]

This was a problem before covid

[@magnumjohnson9628]

@@aaronr1926 thanks for the info!

[@pelotas56]

At first i thought it was me then i blamed the new 1234yf ,🤔 then i figured it out that yes Honda has the worst 1234yf systems. This car was a honda civic by the way.

[@justforkiks29]

What's the difference between the flat rate master and a puppy? The puppy stops whining after a year.

[@davidcanal91]

Hence why honda has an extended their warranty on their condensers from 2016 to 2021. TSB on it. Have been seeing alot of evaporators recently also. 4-6 in the last month. Mainly honda all on the 1234yf systems.

[@JustinV35]

We agree, In my personal opinion I dislike Honda. I have a 2018 Honda Civic and ever since 10,000 miles the rear main seal has been leaking, I got it replaced under warranty at 20,000 miles, sure as shit once I changed the oil at 30,000 miles the thing is leaking once again. Other than that, the constant oil changes because of the oil being diluted in the winter is rather annoying and it blows my mind that Honda has that problem with their GDI but on other GDI vehicles its not as big of a problem. I will say that the interior is definitely very nice and I will give Honda that, my 9 hour road trips that occur a couple times a year are very easy going in the much improved interior.

[@jroda8015]

Does aftermarket support not exist for these? Seems silly to keep installing parts you don't trust

[@flatratemaster]

everyone was out of stock

[@PhillyDee215]

I would expect this from maybe another manufacturer but not Honda🤦‍♂️

[@mt1885]

Wondering when a NEW Mandate banning parts on certain year model vehicles is coming???

[@scrumsey]

I like older cars. The older I get, the more I understand the Amish! :)

[@J2000Z71]

My Step mom just got a 21 Accord, the condenser looks like someone speared it. No joke....

[@Trex6767]

On newer Toyota’s the ac components are going to hell too

[@infamousgarage4900]

I haven’t had an issue. I’m a toyota dealership tech.

[@Trex6767]

@@infamousgarage4900 Toyota master here. I had a 2018 Camry the other day come in with the high side line leaking. My buddy had a highlander come in. Leaking condenser, line, and rear evaporator same car with in a year. Kept getting wrote up as a come back but the 1234yf machine kept filling the system so not a comeback in mind

[@clinte14]

Give em credit for consistancy 😋

[@nitrous07me]

Honda can’t make a condenser?🤔 no way 😅

[@egx161]

Wow! Honda oem parts, made in Japan??Are they getting destroyed here? Has anyone spoken with you about this? This is a serious problem. What happened to Honda oem quality reputation? Honda used to be the Gold standard. I suppose enough time will cause decline. Roman Empire? Nothing lasts forever. Thanks FRM. Love your rants. They’re based in truth.

[@nickl3872]

Supply chain will get worse

[@ironcross420]

Im not an AC guy. Couldnt you soilder / braze it?

[@cardo1111]

Time to order from Keystone.

[@etchosts8162]

I worked there 7 years trust me they are no better

[@cardo1111]

@@etchosts8162 At least they are far cheaper than Denso and offer a lifetime warranty, how difficult is it to claim on that warranty?

[@etchosts8162]

@@cardo1111 what state are you in? At the location I worked they almost doubled prices 2 years ago that was one of the reasons I left. I was on straight commission I had 3 pay cuts in 7 years everytime I sold more they lowered my percentage. Also parts would always be left behind and the drivers could care less. Bad customer service.

[@brettwalkom948]

Yeah that's bullshit.. So bad

[@betogarzzz6392]

Sounds like bs

[@MrSupernova111]

Terrible!

[@westtexas501]

Them Honda parts are made in "CHINA"!!!

[@flatratemaster]

nope, USA:(

[@westtexas501]

@@flatratemaster last time I ordered a blendoor actuator, it said China on it 💀💀

[@ronjohnson8119]

Flat Rate Master with Global materials (Chinese) 😁