Honda Vs. Toyota - Reliability

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Tom Lambert has run Shadetree Automotive, a general automotive repair shop, since 1994. In this video, he discusses the popular topic of which car is better, Honda or Toyota. He has pulled the past ten years of data on both vehicle brands and will share the results with you.
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[@southwestjohnny7767]

As a diehard Toyota guy I'm positive that the reason we Honda and Toyota owners are more responsible as far as maintenance is concerned is because we buy these cars specifically for their reliability and longevity. Therefore, we are going to do our part to make them last. If we weren't planning on keeping our cars for as long as possible, we wouldn't bother buying brands known for lasting up to 300,000 miles or more with minimal issues.

[@alohamark3025]

My own personal experience is that a sloppy driver can kill a Toyota faster than a Honda. Case in point: the stepdaughter in the family ruined her Toyota Camry by allowing the engine to seize without enough oil. She is about to destroy her RAV4 by driving it around with engine maintenance lights blinking like a Christmas tree. Even though I am far more careful in maintaining cars than the women in my family, I did own a Civic 4WD wagon that needed a head gasket. It could not tolerate five hours in a typical east coast traffic jam. What makes a person choose a Honda over a Toyota, or vice versa? I'd say it is the handling. Steering is more responsive on most Hondas. Honda has been a F1 constructor champion, while Toyota has shied away from most top level competitions. Nevertheless, as people age, the reliability of a car ascends in importance, making Toyota a good choice for conservative drivers.

[@BDAILY365]

it's like a glock. It's simple to maintain, and reliable. parts and support everywhere for cheap.🎉

[@boxoffisa]

Maybe we don't have money to waste.

[@tigergreg8]

Well written. 👍

[@Rexmorgan687]

​@@alohamark3025 If the stepdaughter was the other of a Camry with the 2AZ-FE engine, she got a bum engine that was known to have premature piston ring failure and burn oil...

[@AngelRivera-bs7uf]

I’ve been driving Hondas for 25 years. Each one, I have driven for over 280,000 miles, and I am currently still driving my 2010 Honda civic with 336,000 miles. I’ve never owned a Toyota, but I have the upmost respect for them because I know they are reliable as well. You can’t beat a Honda or Toyota…

[@dep6169]

very well said

[@francisco7661]

My civic type s diesel 333000

[@sergiozamorano6413]

My 2012 honda civic is my best friend 😂

[@gravemind6536]

Toyota/Lexus and Honda are just the two top dogs that will always be engaged in a never ending battle when it comes to reliability its just too close.

[@mitchhedberg4415]

Not a fan of the Honda 1.5t and a cvt though The new civic ACs are trash too

[@jpan7071]

I’ve owned both Honda and Toyota vehicles for over thirty years. In my experience Toyota comes up on top as far as reliability, but not by much. You really can’t go wrong with either one.

[@billmellater]

​@@indycharliehe said that in the video.

[@blackcirius90]

​@@indycharlieshould of finish watching the video.

[@indycharlie]

Yes , evidently you are RIGHT ! My bad . I did remove my comment .@@blackcirius90

[@Floreypottery]

I’ve seen some go thru some stuff Honda will too but nothing like a Toyota. If your a lead foot Honda if not Toyota it’ll last a long time even rarely maintained

[@nofyfb123]

I managed to go wrong with honda. NEVER AGAIN!

[@microgreensgrower3946]

When I purchase my 05 Sienna last year the previous owner said the A/C didn't work but that he didn't know why. That made me wonder if it needed a new compressor but he just didn't want to tell me because of the costly repair? Anyway, I was determined to figure out why the A/C wasn't working. Watched youtube videos, purchased manifold gauges & some dye. I found two leaks. The High and Low shrader valves needed replaced & Auto Zone gave me two for free. Charged it up and it's holding pressure & blowing cold. This 70 year old gal is feeling pretty accomplished. I learned a lot, had fun & saved $$. We own 4 Toyota's currently. Just sold an 07 FJ Cruiser. Loved the car but just didn't drive it much and had too many vehicles: The other Toyota's: 91 T100 pick up, 05 Sienna van, 07 Toyota Yaris & 08 Prius. Love them all!

[@ShadetreeAutomotiveLayton]

That is awesome! Nice work getting that Sienna all figured out. I am impressed

[@yubstep]

As a former Honda Civic owner, it was a great ride from 1998 to 2021 with 310,000 miles. Now I sport a Honda Odyssey.

[@muthuswaminathan]

Do you have the 3.5 L engine or 2.4 L earth dreams engine?

[@francismartinez6049]

@@muthuswaminathan all odysseys have the v6 earth dreams no 4 cyl available

[@muthuswaminathan]

@@francismartinez6049 mine is a Japanese import and has a K24W engine. 2.4L litre 4 cylinder

[@CRAPO2011]

@@francismartinez6049 there is a foreign market Odyssey which is smaller and comes with a 4cylinder. More in line with the original Honda Odyssey which was basically a tall accord wagon in size and also ocame with a 4 banger.

[@Hernsama]

2016 toyo sienna with 410k miles was a great ride. She put in some hard work luckily it was that V6 power

[@recon_jon6151]

It's just good to know that they're still manufacturers that focus on reliability instead of their next quarterly

[@ShadetreeAutomotiveLayton]

True.

[@nofyfb123]

It's so anti-American! 😜

[@cbcfa]

honda and toyota are the 2 top brands for sure! i’m on my second car, a 2nd honda, never had a toyota but i have family that do and they love them!

[@comercole1940]

​@@nofyfb123they make some of there cars in America.

[@nofyfb123]

@@comercole1940 They sure do, and they still are way better than anything else. However, those made in Japan are better than those made in the US, those are the ones I buy.

[@stephencivic1989]

I am a diehard Honda Civic owner myself. I’ve had mine since 2020 bought brand new. That little car has been doing more job related work than she was designed to do, and is still plugging away. I do my best to baby her, but unfortunately life doesn’t always allow for that. She has been through a blizzard with an idling engine to keep me warm and alive. Survived a parking garage partially collapsing, been driven close to a 1,000 miles in one night only stopping once. And now I work at a steel mill with dirt roads so keeping her black paint clean is a struggle. But I love my Honda.

[@mitchellsmith4601]

My 17 year-old Camry has over 251,000 miles on it, and I’ve maintained it according to Toyota’s schedule. I use regular oil, and have it changed every 3,000 to 4,000 miles.

[@fml5910]

I hear that synthetic oil is overrated, and not worth the extra $ and told you shouldn't go more than 5,000 miles between oil changes, and don't go 10,000 miles like the manufacturer says is ok.

[@jams1533]

Sythentic w/ 5k intervals.

[@wrinkleneckbass]

I've owned them both over the past 40 years. They're both bullet proof and I've never had a serious mechanical failure after hundreds of thousands of miles. I can't say the same for the VW Golf and Dodge Neon I owned, both of which I purchased new.

[@MyerShift7]

Here, here! Was your experience similar to mine in that the VW, though feeling fabulous, is actually much worse and more expensive than the Chrysler?

[@dariusrus5335]

Vw Golf mk1 and 2 even 3 are some of the best cars ever made ,we use them in Romania as daily drivers

[@richardyarbrough5238]

Ive had three vw's. Definitely my favorite cars to drive, but my far the most unreliable, and I babied my GTI and my Jetta GLI more than any other vehicle I have owned.

[@bucknut2000]

@@richardyarbrough5238 what years were your GTI and GLI. I got 280K miles on my Civic Si and 220K on my GTI. I think they are both good, but the GTI costs more when things need to be done.

[@dabshow8989]

There just 100k cars

[@sh1pp]

I would think the reason Honda and Toyota owners are more knowledgeable about maintinence is because if someone cared about it enough about reliability to research it and factor it into purchasing decisions they are going to come out with those two brands as their primary choices. It’s a positive feedback loop that building a reliable car will attract the people willing to invest time and money to keep a car reliable.

[@doct101]

There also more expensive than a Kia or Nissan and the customers that pay the premium also pay to maintain the right .. a lot of budget customers won’t pay to maintain them too .. generally of course

[@jamesc7286]

Sometimes, but there are TONS of shitbox corollas and camrys around here, poorly maintained and with seemingly clueless drivers who drive very slow. This works in the opposite direction. The cars last a long time DESPITE owner neglect. Both what you are saying and what I am saying are true.

[@doct101]

@@jamesc7286 that’s why I said generally.. the Toyotas and Hondas can take a bit more abuse and neglect which is why you see so many old ones but maintaining is key for it to last 200k plus … a maintained Kia may last just generally their customers don’t

[@youtubecantsaveallthesnowf8601]

What??? 26 years as a mechanic and toyota owners pretty much, universally know nothing about cars...that's why they buy toyotas.

[@doct101]

@@youtubecantsaveallthesnowf8601 no but they care more about it than the Kia doesn’t mean they need to know about it .. second hand owners also tend to be more relaxed on maintenance than the person who spend 25k plus on that Camry

[@alexyakuba2805]

I had both, Hondas and Toyotas. I had a bit more problems with Hondas. On the older models I find suspension was a bit weaker, but more fun on the corners. Late models of Hondas had some electrical problems, but with Toyotas I didn't have any issues at all. Toyota is more conservative though when it comes to implementing new things.

[@chris103193]

Precisely my experience. Honda for the driving experience. Toyota for the relentless quality, mainly due to their perfecting "old" technology.

[@jacobpetersen5662]

I'll second that. A minor edge for Toyota in reliability. I prefer and will keep driving Honda as they simply drive better.

[@sk-un5jq]

Well said. And Hondas are sportier so their owners likely drive more aggressively. Toyota appliance buyers want a car that will last 10-15 yrs without any major problems and probably drive more conservatively.

[@officialtotino]

@@sk-un5jqexactly. every toyota is a turtle accelerating but the v6 hondas feel pretty quick relatively so people definitely drive them harder

[@WALL-E559]

Staying up to date on your PMs is imperative! Especially the PMs involving fluids. I have a 2001 Toyota Land Cruiser that recently hit 420k miles. I do my fluids at half intervals (I.g. center transfer case, front and rear diffs every 30k miles vs 60k miles). My biggest repairs or maintenance occurs around the 90k and 100k-mile mark. Recently I’ve been doing a lot more repairs due to age and mileage. These parts are original factory parts and were the first time they had to be replaced: fuel pump, head gasket, starter coils, alternator, catalytic converter,all hoses, heater T’s, and a few other items.

[@85CEKR]

I have a German background and grew up in German vehicles because my family were proud Germans. After owning several German cars, VW and BMW, I just got fed up with there lack of reliability. I ended up switching to toyota/lexus and have been so happy ever since. One of my main reason with going with toyota over honda was because most of the new toyota's have their 4ds system which solves the carbon build up issues. This was a big issue with the German cars I've owned. I just don't trust an engine that can't clean itself with regular maintenance.

[@sabrehawk-427]

The last good VW was the rabbit and the almighty beatle

[@user-oy5hk3jl1u]

Former Toyota Tercel owner, got to 386,000 miles before finally selling it to the Toyota mechanic for $50 because of rust. Still ran and drove solid, and I’m sure the mechanic knew better than me how to restore it.

[@mplslawnguy3389]

I had one too! It was a tin can, but always started up! That was a very different era.

[@jocasi57]

I have a 1996 tercel manual with 516,092 mi. Have it since 2011. My 2nd.was a 1989 GTS twincam coupe from 2002-2011 with 406,000 miles, was t-boned in passenger side. And my highschool freshman sweetheart was a 1983 corolla that was a learners permit gift from an uncle (RIP). he was original owner since new and gave it to me with over 200,000 mi. And had it from 93 to 02 and totaled it with over 400,000 mi. So i have a love affair with toyota.

[@aesoundforge]

Was my first car! Loved that thing. Had the best steering feel of any car ive driven since...

[@Propain4eva]

Bro pulled a Walter white

[@rickjazzfusionbop]

Wow! I had an 80 Tercel, manual tranny. RUBBER/PLASTIC interior floors, and yes, drove like a viper! Through icy cold winters and hi-humidity summers. The TERCEL - RESPECT.

[@7Gia_]

We appreciate the time & effort you put in these videos to provide us with all this good info! Thanks!

[@piotrhul]

Great channel. Thank you for sharing all the experiences. All the best from Poland.

[@GarryBurgess]

I loved my Honda CRV but I like my Toyota Rav4 too, and I think that Toyota has a lot more experience with hybrids, and I think that their eCVT is pretty reliable. I've also owned a Honda Accord and 2 Toyota Corollas. I like both brands.

[@deanknight7133]

2006 honda ridgeline with 239,000 miles and still going strong ❤

[@watchmanonthewall14]

Please check into the Takata air bag recall for your truck. There is a Ridgeline on the list, but I do not recall the exact time period/years of the recall.

[@deanknight7133]

@@watchmanonthewall14 already got it done thanks man

[@CoachatCole]

I’ve seen 2007 2008 Ridgelines for sale for around 5000. Good buy?

[@Ambienfinity]

Great analysis from experienced experts. I've owned both here in the UK, and neither have let me down. I currently have an old Honda Jazz, which seems unkillable, and has helped me move house, carrying an amazing amount of building rubble, people, and luggage with equal aplomb.

[@ShadetreeAutomotiveLayton]

Nice. Thank you for sharing!

[@jonathanhowson6420]

I recently sold a LR Discovery 3 and I am left with a toyota aygo, which has 130000 on the clock. Would you recommend an older honda Jazz as a workhorse? Im about to do 2 big extensions to my house, so will need a good vehicle for tip runs. A Rav 4 is also coming to mind. We only get 52 tip runs a year and its 1 mile away, so should provide decent savings compared to getting loads of skips etc

[@mylifeasmanta]

@@jonathanhowson6420 hi! to answer your question, i have a 2009 2nd-gen Jazz here in australia. it has done 240k kms (150k miles) and has been a joy to own. it has been endlessly reliable and the only thing that has broken (twice actually) was the air-con button (the A/C itself was fine, just not the plastic button to turn it on). we (family of 4) have moved houses three times with it and the car has handled every task really well. we have also made several trips to ikea and brought enough stuff back to furnish a medium-sized apartment. the interior is quite tough and hard-wearing, and the magic seats make it very easy to clean underneath them - perfect for children. fuel economy has been decent at around 45MPG - not best in class by any means but good enough. there is also a hybrid model available, but with slightly less boot space. overall, i would highly recommend it as a little van. in fact, it could probably replace the Aygo as well.

[@124mun]

Honda jazz is a legendary car reliability wise

[@TipsyMike17]

Well said and put. You just earned a subscriber. I'd love to hear more from you. I'd be more happy to listen from a wise and very educated mechanic. Love from the Philippines!

[@chevalsauer]

My 01 camry wagon head gasket went at 435k ks, and i fixed it myself, and timing belt, and all fluids over last 6 months, it goes great, and still around 8.5 ltrs per 100k also. Simple and reliable!

[@syusi]

I appreciate your thoughtful analysis. I’ve been driving my Honda Civic for over 21 years and its reliability still impresses me. But as you point out, it’s 50% DNA and 50% proactive maintenance. As my dad used to say, ‘If you take of your equipment, your equipment will take care of you.’ Thanks for a very nice channel.

[@mysteriousoklahoma777]

Had a 92 Lude 300k miles…one clutch, two rack pinions, plugs,

[@abdulshahnawazkhan]

My dad says exactly same thing

[@kirkkronenberger877]

That's the way it should be in a perfect world, but coming from a GM family as a teenager, my first 4 vehicles were all Chevys and one Pontiac. I took great care of them but I can't exactly say they returned the favor. My '79 Chevy half ton (bought brand new in '78) was the absolute biggest piece of crap I ever bought. Within one year, the following components failed: oil pressure gauge, speedometer, power window regulator, AC condenser, brake light switch, temperature gauge, and gear shift knob (fell off). Because of my GM-oriented Dad, I didn't learn my lesson and still continued to buy GM for 9 more years. ALL gave me serious problems.

[@randalljernigan889]

My experience is they are very similar in reliability. The AC system on Toyotas tend to last longer and that can be a considerable expense.

[@andrewquintero01]

Came across this video doing some research for a new commuter vehicle. Great information and luckily you’re right down the road from me. I’ll have to stop by for my next maintenance!

[@David.D3]

In my experience, Toyota is more reliable but Honda is pretty close. I know for sure that the auto transmissions for Toyota is a lot more reliable when its a V6 and up motor.

[@TOBYH]

THE TRANSMISSIONS ON THE HONDA ODYSSEYS WERE JUNK, THEY FAILED AT A VERY HIGH RATE, THAT'S WHY I GOT RID OF IT AND GOT A SIENNA, 11 YEARS, NO PROBLEMS. YOU CAN CHECK IT OUT, JUST TYPE IN PROBLEMS WITH ODY TRANS.

[@calprotrim]

Do not agree, blow up 2008 tundras engine at 73k miles

[@leweezo33]

@@calprotrim I have a 03 Tundra with 300k miles and it runs awesome

[@disco.lemonade]

Honda and Toyota owner here. Sure, Honda had some weak a/t back in the early 2000s. However, the ones we've had more issues with were two a/t in our 2nd and 3rd gen RAV4s, but interestingly enough they WERE Toyota made, not made by Aisin. You can argue Aisin is Toyota's, but it isn't. Toyota's a/t aren't that great. Lastly, sorry buddy but V6 J Series are an incredibly reliable.

[@cactneir]

​​@@disco.lemonade no aisin AC i believe my jeep had 1 of their blower motors

[@dperreno]

I'm glad you pointed out that Toyota has more SUVs and Trucks - those vehicles are a bit more complicated, especially with respect to their drivelines and so their repair bills can be a bit higher. Good data overall!

[@mikek.9980]

A Bit??

[@nicholaspetre1]

Thank you very much for this video. This is exactly what I wanted to hear. Great look into data.

[@ShadetreeAutomotiveLayton]

Thank you!

[@sergeyo2264]

Great analysis! Thank you for doing this. Would be also interesting to see stats with time component. Obviously newer cars have less repairs, so at what age/mileage repair curve gets steeper. i.e. - on 6th year of ownership Toyotas/Hondas start to come more often. Also, for this report - average vs median repair cost Once again - thank you for this stats!

[@goni274]

Are there more Toyotas in ( forget the $ ) spent on repair because there are more Toyotas sold overall in Utah in the past ten years. Just wondering if that factors in or not. Dealer- what do you say?

[@HaldonJohnson-ny5ej]

Good information! Shadetree has taken great care of me and my family, and we have had good experiences with both Honda and Toyota (have been able to get both above 200k miles before upgrading).

[@jestan01]

Tom seams like a straight up guy, he's definitely proud of what he does and where he does it. I'm a Honda enthusiast but don't bash what others drive, I feel people should drive what they like and can afford. Of-course not in that order, life is more complex than that. That being said I'd definitely bring my 2020 Honda Passport for service there at Shadetree Automotive but I live real far from you in another state. Great post and concrete data to back it up. Subbed

[@brentbeardsley655]

Our stable: 2014 Accord V6 with 60,000 miles, 2014 Mazda 6 with 75,000 miles, daughters 2008 4cyl Accord with 140,000 miles, sons 2005 Camry V6 with 160,000 miles and 2004 Toyota Sienna with 203,000 miles. The Sienna is the best vehicle I have ever owned. Bulletproof reliability. Every one of my cars gets full synthetic oil changes every 5,000 miles. Only drawback is all 3 V6's have timing belts that need replaced every 100,000 miles.

[@microgreensgrower3946]

I absolutely love my Sienna too. It gets a new timing belt, water pump, and seals done tomorrow at a cost of $1,100 at our favorite local shop (not dealership). It just turned over 200,000 miles but I expect another 100,000 with little to no problems as I've had so far. Regular maintenance always.

[@fabrivila2774]

Thank you for this video. Definitely both brands are very reliable. I am an Honda Accord 4 cylinder, natural asperated (with no CVT) owner, and I feel very, very happy with this car. I know that the V6 with CVT's have more problems. With my car the only problem is that in my country the spare parts are too expensive and hard to find, but on the other hand, Toyota brand spare parts are very cheap and you can find them everywhere. I agree that both are excellent cars. We take care of them, because we know what we are buying.

[@jeffmaloney8701]

Tom, outstanding video, subscription earned! Those repair numbers for the four vehicle brands are staggeringly impressive. My hat’s off to you, buddy. 👍

[@computerweenie]

I've owned several models of both Hondas and Toyotas. I keep the service up on my vehicles and I would have to say that either of them is a good choice. I switched back and forth because of vehicle designs not because one was more reliable than the other.

[@limeallens6160]

Hondas just seem so boring to me. Blah

[@beachcomber4141]

Great information for someone about to buy a Honda or a Toyota! Thank you sir!

[@pauldaviesvoiceover]

Great info, thanks. Subscribed and hi from Australia 🇦🇺

[@MrDevior]

Great video! I love your impartial approach and backed by numbers. I’ve always driven Hondas with no major issues. You’re right about the maintenance knowledge of their owners. I keep track of my miles/ maintenance all the time.

[@StevenBuchanan]

I have owned both Honda and Toyota and love them both! I am familiar with the CVT and oil burning issues. Love this video from an actual business owner. Can't wait for more videos around Toyota and Honda!

[@cabbagememes2852]

Other then Thoese little flaws, both Honda and Toyota will still always be reliable as long it gets taken care of And the CVT can actually last a long time too if u change the fluids for it mark me if I am wrong

[@hilmidoubleten]

Definitely agree with your reviews! ❤

[@theitechlab]

I've lived near this shop before and had some family take their cars in for repair here. Awesome shop and video!

[@Boogaloo_Baloo]

Bought a 2016 civic with 54k miles on it. I got it to 108k miles in just under 2 years and it has eaten those miles up like nothing. Pretty solid car. It has done a lot of 10-12 hour drives and has had zero issues.

[@captaincrunch8432]

Is still going strong ? How many miles on it now?

[@captaincrunch8432]

Oh , I think I read that wrong. It’s been 2 years and that’s your mileage now

[@prettycureforever7102]

If you driving 10-12 hour yeah it's gonna go up

[@BigKWS]

The 10th gen Civics drive really well. I bought a 2019 LX just two years ago and it still feels like a new car to me even though I've got 50k miles on it now.

[@The.Car.Guru.]

Great video. I truly believe older Toyotas and Hondas were overall more reliable. I also believe the new maintenance intervals are making newer Hondas and Toyotas look worse than they are. Example being 10k mi oil changes and ‘lifetime transmission fluid’ Seems to be a marketing scheme for cheap maintenance.

[@TrymeAsshole]

It’s planned obsolescence … they want you to buy more vehicles…

[@whyyoubust789]

Honda has no lifetime trans fluid 3 years or 30k

[@The.Car.Guru.]

@@whyyoubust789 Toyota does

[@piggy310]

@@The.Car.Guru. I'm still waiting on my "sealed" Toyota transmission to die, 260k miles..any day now, right?

[@The.Car.Guru.]

@@piggy310 have you ever changed the fluid? If not, I’m actually impressed it’s lasted that long lol

[@Black_thunder522]

Great video and explanation with bringing all the facts to the table

[@Fruit-xt6hw]

Thanks for the video. I own both Hondas and Toyotas. Love them both for very different reasons.

[@ShadetreeAutomotiveLayton]

Right on!

[@dogunboundhounds9649]

Wow. You should be a statistician. You broke down every reason why the data may not be perfect in each scenario. I know you know that there are even more reasons why your data isn't applicable everywhere, but you still came out with true and honest statistics. Love the high quality thinking that was put into this video. Curious on what the statistics on Nissan look like.

[@harrytej]

Nissan owners don’t have to come more often 😛 just pay that last visit and off to the ⚰️

[@Hernsama]

Calm down. He could have said another reason why there are more Toyotas in the shop is bc they sell a lot more like a lot more than Honda.

[@leweezo33]

@@Hernsama LOL.. I saw that obvious flaw in the stats too. Toyo sells waaay more autos in the U.S than Honda

[@paullinkins8121]

Something about the statistics he provided: none of it specifies the frequency of repairs. He only stated the cost of each repair. One brand having a lot fewer repairs per vehicle could make their total cost of repairs much lower (or if they are bad then much higher). He also stated that the Ford and Chevy AROs were for trucks -- you should not compare cost of repairing trucks against the overall fleet of Hondas and Toyotas. He stated this in the video. We could assume, for example, that because trucks are physically larger with more powerful engines they have a larger ARO than a typical vehicle.

[@robme3660]

I've had bad luck with Honda's. Nothing major, but all had TPMS, warping rotors, and weak AC issues. It's not the end of the world, but Honda doesn't seem to improve in future gens.

[@nateTrh]

Hondas have more engineering in them usually but that leads to more issues like when euro companies overengineer their vehicles. They drive and handle better than the comparable Toyota but if you need something simple and bulletproof, Toyota is the way to go. For people that can do their own mechanic work though, hard to beat Honda for the overall package.

[@robme3660]

@Nathan Trinh I still loved my Honda's. I learned how to drive a manual on a 09 Honda Fit. I own 3 cars. One of them is a 2013 civic ex with 170k miles. Stupid tpms light won't turn off, but it drives fine! Edit: The AC died at 133k miles. #wintercar

[@Gr8thxAlot]

I love Hondas, but they've made some poor choices with their suppliers, resulting in many recalls. It's nothing huge, but it's a hassle. Also, they have weak a/c. On some models, the a/c is just junk.

[@edhcb9359]

Me too. Big time transmission problems.

[@Smedley61]

@@robme3660 Regarding the TPMS that I discovered (at least on my car, which is newer) was that the spare tire was low. I had checked the pressure on all four regular tires and they were fine but TPMS wouldn't clear. I checked the spare and it was very low. I filled that and the TPMS cleared. I'm assuming the spare must be monitored as well. That said, I'm not sure what the deal would be if the spare was missing. But it's worth a quick check.

[@stansbruv3169]

Excellent information! Thank you for creating and sharing this! I’m a new Toyota guy.

[@earthling1984]

I own a Honda & Toyota. This was fun to watch. I love them both. My Honda Civic is 16 years old and has around 170k miles on it. It's been great, but has needed a new ac compressor & a couple other very minor repairs. Engine and transmission not a single issue with. My Toyota FJ Cruiser is 12 years old. It hasn't had a single issue yet, just general maintenance. It does have only 85k miles. It's original battery lasted 9 years! And was still working, but I noticed one cold winter it was a bit slower to start, so finally replaced it.

[@Hodenkat]

A few Honda dealers in my area love to do what I call "clip-boarding". With under 50K miles, you bring it to them for an oil change and tire rotation, but while you're in the waiting area they come strolling up to you holding a clip-board and rattle off $1400 worth of things "the manufacturer recommends having done" at your specific mileage. It sometimes has me thinking that they price the jobs so by the time you reach 100K miles you're looking at replacements that will cost as much as a down payment on a new vehicle.

[@Sugarnaut]

This happened every time I took my Civic in for oil change while it was under warranty. Also noticed they had changed most of their service reps every time I went in. Heavy turnover in staff is never fun to deal with. Great comment!

[@stidwell91]

My Honda dealer, Southwest Honda in Amarillo, Tx, listed the replacement of the cabin air filter at 99.00. What a greedy joke!

[@unclephil7431]

Great job with the video. Keep it up 👍 I only buy Toyota & Honda. I figured it out on my own by trial and error, by fixing my own cars and also being the “car guy” and helping my friends and family. I’m also a big data and analysis guy. Please continue dissecting your repair history. That is super interesting because of the spread of vehicles you service. I think you’re uncovering something really valuable here that not a lot of shops can do.

[@dyates6380]

What a great video. I actually googled your place and the reviews are ridiculously good. I'd take my truck to you guys in a heartbeat.

[@ShadetreeAutomotiveLayton]

oh thanks haha we appreciate that!

[@ameremortal]

Congratulations on your business. Those are some amazing numbers. You’re a boss!!!

[@bobbycornetto]

One other data point that would be interesting is average mileage of all Toyotas being repaired versus Hondas, Fords, etc. If they’re really close, then it’s not significant. If they aren’t, it’s a factor in looking at average repair price. Great video. Thanks.

[@rondail5675]

Good, honest review. Either are good choices. I hate that so many have CVT's.

[@Mike_Stramaglio]

2007 Camry XLE owner here. I also have a 2023 Highlander. My Camry drives with almost the same quality as the day I got it in late 2006 due to proper upkeep. The V6 engine still has the get-up-and go. It’s fun to drive, takes winding mountain roads well, and gets up steep hills like a champ. Acceleration is still very good when needing to get up to speed on busy freeways. I have family who are more Honda enthusiasts and they have reliable experiences as well. Toyotas and Hondas are great brands. Add Subaru to the elite list as well.

[@bobbylee1508]

I like your honest analysis....hard to find ppl that speak the truth based on data and not bias.

[@jaet4018]

We own both Honda & Toyotas...cars & trucks. '98-2010 years. Both still running strong. As long as you do regular maintenance they take care of you. Will not change to any other brand. Plus I see all older models still on the road more than any other brand.

[@ruthlessmofo]

Got a 2000 Toyota Camry LE with 252,000 miles that I use as my daily. Had to replace the struts/sway bar links, and the exhaust. Easy to work on. Also got a 2011 Honda Accord coupe V6 with 95,000 miles. Only issue I've had is a bad driver side wheel bearing.

[@kurzhaarsilva]

You did a very good job. Nothing but respect to you. Just facts and nothing personal. I applaud you sir.

[@MiguelAngel-jp6xo]

I bought a 2005 Accord 4 years ago with 18k miles. Now reaching 210k. I changed myself the timing belt, water pump and the suspension system. Running great. Honda and Toyota rock.

[@vinmarz]

Excellent research and presentation. I would really like your professional opinion on push start vs physical key start vehicles. I know one is way more convenient but at what cost. Thanks again.

[@lawdog516]

Great video and really valuable information, thanks

[@ShadetreeAutomotiveLayton]

Thanks for watching. Really appreciate your kind words

[@AliHassan-zu2do]

Thank you very much for this information

[@nicolemarie3258]

Thank you. I appreciate your input. I've been thinking about buying a Honda Accord lately. I just wanted to be certain they were reliable cars(with proper maintenance). 👍☺

[@rjhein]

I think the point you made about the type of vehicles Toyota builds vs Honda (more truck-like purposes) - people bag on older Toyotas offroad, use them for towing/hauling etc far more than anything Honda would build. My hunch is if you adjust for those differences, Toyota likely would come in at an overall lower cost. In any case, good review. They are both excellent vehicles. I have had more troubles personally on my Acura MDX (constant water leaks/transmission/oil leaks) that any of our Toyotas, but that may not be a good long term example as I'm sure it goes both ways.

[@michaelkeister8689]

I have a 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser base 2WD V-6. She has 220k miles and still runs fantastic. Sure, there have been issues over the years, but it has been minimal. I have always stayed on top of the oil changes and preventative maintenance, and I feel like I will get at least another 100k miles out of her. They do go through O2 censors, and I had issues with multiple calipers, but overall, I love this vehicle. P.S. A good mechanic can many times fix a caliper instead of making you buy a new one.

[@srmashwani]

Amazing video. You should have more such videos on your channel. Great content. See if you have time and intention to review new cars in the eyes of a seasonal mechanic and see if they are good enough (and possible problems they may face in future because of their design)

[@nicolasbourillon4320]

Good honest review thanks ! I drive here in Québec a Honda Civic Coupe that I bought new in 2020 with the 2.0 L NA engine (K20C2) with port injection and a manual gear box very happy with the car so far ! I don't really like engines with turbo, direct injection and CVT transmission as far as reliability is concerned...

[@BigKWS]

Gosh, I have the CVT in mine and so far I like it. It really seems to help on the gas mileage compared to a manual transmission. I don't like turbos either.

[@natedogg7284]

@@BigKWSI also have a CVT and damn, that gas mileage is sweet. Especially paired with a 1.5t engine. If the turbo doesn’t even spool up, it may as well be a 1.5L NA, so needless to say it absolutely sips fuel.

[@joelcleare]

Super informative. I’ve always said I would rather buy from an shop mechanic than a sales person.

[@jerrystephenson1172]

Yes, before buying a new vehicle at a dealership, try to have a talk w/the Service Manager abt. the issues & maintenance of said intended purchase.

[@baroonono]

great video. thanks for sharing!

[@ralphwiggum3134]

I watched this video because I have owned both brands. I have a Yaris that has over 220,000 miles and I am saving up for a new vehicle in the next year or two (it's still doing incredibly well, but I fear it will start having problems in the future). At this time, I am leaning toward a Corolla hybrid. It seems to fit my wants and needs perfectly, but I also have looked at the Civic. Thanks for the great video. I haven't looked at cars in well over a decade, so I'm trying to catch up on what I need to know for my next purchase.

[@alexhickey5633]

Hold onto that yaris. A bit more reliable than the hybrid, and way cheaper to fix

[@KillerofGods]

​@@alexhickey5633What's wrong with the hybrid? Other than the battery which will go out eventually. Seems to have less wear items other than that though, but that is one pricey fix.

[@alexhickey5633]

@@KillerofGods exactly that. Once a battery goes in a hybrid car its pretty much a write off. Honda uses a soft enough 1.5 liter petrol engine in the fit and insight. Fuel dilution is that engines killer. And the eventual hybrid batteru issue

[@specter1096867II]

Ive owned both and i still prefer the old school, lots of workspace to work with and doesnt have to require to remove mounts to get space needed. Both are bullet proof but definitely if you want reliability, stay away from turbo, its the first component bound to go out first

[@Benjy86]

The whole "stay away from turbos if you want reliability" may have been true 10 yeas ago but they've come a long way. If the turbo fails on a Honda in 2023 it's a cheap fix. They put the turbo right on the top of the engine. It's pretty much a DIY project they made it so easy. Also, they've come a very long way with turbos. They are much more reliable than they used to be.

[@b.0.z.nightcore519]

I first learned to drive in an 06 Toyota RAV4 and loved that car for a while and then I got my first actual car which was an 04 Honda CRV I bought off my grandparents. Two cars that are very similar from each other, one would even say that they were market rivals for their time. But what holds true with both the cars, neither of them let me down mechanically, they promised reliability and longevity and fantastically delivered, some days they were genuinely fun to drive and own, and I love em both. Get yourself a Honda OR a Toyota. Can’t go wrong with either!

[@nofyfb123]

That's what I thought until I went wrong with honda. Never again!

[@b.0.z.nightcore519]

@@nofyfb123 which Honda and what went wrong?

[@nofyfb123]

@@b.0.z.nightcore519 It was a 2004 CRV (made in JAPAN!!!). @30K injector crapped on me. Yes, it was under warranty but I had to fight honda to get it replaced. OK - I thought - it could be a fluke. @36,200 mi, trans (STICK MADE IN JAPAN!!!) input shaft bearing started making noise. Yes, it was out of warranty whopping 200 miles but honda even refused to talk to me about any assistance. Next day I was driving a 4Runner that my son still drives @330,000+ miles with very few issues. He managed to overheat it - loose hose clamp - so we replaced head gaskets a few months ago, he works out of state and constantly drives 1,000mi one way, and it runs just fine. That was the only significant issue but not Toyota's fault. Other than that, I replaced front calipers, radiator, condenser, O2 sensors and a couple of ignition coils. Total cost probably around a grand in parts. Of course I did all work myself. Bottom line: NEVER HONDA AGAIN.

[@pasha9358]

Thank you for your honesty 😊

[@brkbtjunkie]

My father bought a LS430 in 2004, wracked up 260k miles on it, nothing ever broke, just regular maintenance. Then he sold it to my aunt and it has over 400k miles, still nothing has broke, just regular maintenance. My 06 LX470 just turned 240k, nothing has ever broke in the power train but I did replace the seat adjustment switch assembly and have performed regular maintenance. I also own a 2013 ES 300h, and same story. It has 110k miles and gets precisely the same mileage it did when it was brand new (batteries being a point of contention on the interzones) Nothing ever broke on my 94 Toyota pickup either (it was totaled by a 93 year old).

[@sonofapollo5892]

Excellent! I had a 2000 Gs300 I sold it at 260k miles most reliable car I’ve owned. Now I have a Ct200H super reliable 200k miles rides like new. My wife has a Es 350 bought with 100k miles rides like new. I also have a 2013 Lexus Ls460 I drive it on weekends.No issues

[@toddh2410]

I bought a 2018 civic sport new. I have almost 100,000 miles on it now. I try to change the oil at 4000 miles but no more than 5000 miles. So far I’ve had absolutely no repairs. Hope it keeps going this well. Hoping to get about 300,000 miles out of it. This car delivers an amazing combination of gas mileage and performance!!!

[@foxwithtubesox1075]

My last 4 cars have been Honda/Acura. My current daily driver is a TL Type S that just hit 280,000 miles. Smooth as butter. The only other brand I would consider when it's time to purchase a new car would be a Toyota/Lexus.

[@DavidMosby]

Great video. I am a new subscriber today. Thanks

[@MarzNet256]

Excellent video. I drive a 2006 Matrix 4WD with 216,000 miles and it runs perfect (5k OCI full synthetic/OEM filter). Also: ATF, TC and diff every 30k. PS, coolant and brake fluid every 50k. Engine air and cabin filter every 20k and 10k respectively. Clean TB and MAF and every 60k. And don't forget to rinse the salt off the underside!

[@Triquetra15]

I do the same thing with my corolla except I don’t have a diff and I change coolant, PS, and brake every 100k(probably should do 50 though). I do ATF every 60K. I have neglected the PS and brake fluid a bit recently, but I’ll probably get it changed this week.

[@MarzNet256]

Nice. Pickup a couple of turkey basters at the dollar store and do it yourself. Also, how many miles does it have? @@Triquetra15

[@MrKnightoflight]

I own a 2019 Honda Ridgeline. It is my first Japanese brand vehicle. However, it is built in the United States with more US parts than most other vehicles in its class. I am really pleased with it after over three years of ownership. The only issue so far has been some body molding being loose. That was fixed at the dealership. Looking forward to many years of reliable driving. I drove a 2023 Toyota Camry rental car recently. I was not impressed with it as much as my 2015 Chevrolet Impala. I would like to try a Honda Accord later. I like a big trunk! Thank you for your review.

[@gabevillarreal96]

I've owned an accord v6 for 8 years and what you will find in the Accord over the camry is the fact that ThecHonda Accird simply feels and sounds like it's built to a higher standard. It feels like a class above in the build quality, materials quality and fit and finish. They just feel more substantial. Although the Toyotas will run forever!

[@kaceydillin7367]

Get you what is now an older accord. 18 to 20? I had a 1.5t Sport with 6 speed manual. Loved that car. Bulletproof

[@disco.lemonade]

@@gabevillarreal96 Same here. Our Corolla felt very cheap compared to our Civic. Civic drives much better too. Both well taken care of will last so many years without big issues, so it was hard for us to keep the Corolla over the Civic

[@jerryrocketandthegogogirls3517]

Why tf would you buy one of those lmao

[@gabevillarreal96]

@@jerryrocketandthegogogirls3517 It's a lifestyle vehicle. It's smooth quiet rides better than any truck out there, has some really good utility abd It's gonna be there for the Ling haul. It's definitely not a status vehicle. My friend who owns his own construction business and makes a ton of money has a 2014 Ridgeline that he drives exclusively all the time everywhere abd loves it. He literally could buy anything but chose this for his needs and it works. TO each their own.

[@MFS45]

Toyota edges Honda out, there's no question about that. Especially in the recent model years, Honda has been having some pretty questionable reliability issues.

[@TrymeAsshole]

Finally someone with sense

[@jerryfaircloth]

I had a 2007 Civic Si and that was a killer engine and never had any issues. So when it came time for new I weighed the differences in Honda's and Toyota's and found the Camry to be the best choice and here are the main reasons. No turbocharger to cause issues in the future, D4S instead of DI only which should keep the intake valves much cleaner and Honda was having considerable issues with oil dilution and things on the newer high compression small displacement engines. The Toyo also had a conventional AT which is well proven. Just do some googling and you will see what I mean. Anyway absolutely love the Toyota. Hope Honda gets it back together in the future.

[@whereswaldo9089]

​@Jerry Faircloth honda still has N/A engines should've gone with that skip the turbos and you will be good, oil dilution was only in the 1.5turbos in the civic specifically

[@raymondreiff8170]

I only own Honda's have since 05 from GM, And a Diesel tech for class 8 Trucks, I of course maintain all my own Vehicles, As far as Honda Quality goes, We own a 2020 Civic Sport Sedan with a 6 speed manual with a 2 liter K20C2 N/A engine, Why because Honda simply has Too many headgasket problems with the 1.5 liter in my opinion, Now to be fair I guess many of those problems show up with modified cars and in the Accords with 1.5ls, Personally I wait until Honda has there 💩 together on any New engine or Transmission design, As far as Toyota Manufacturing better Cars I don't believe that for a minute, Toyota has more Vehicles American want and own but Simply aren't better in my opinion, The average repair orders speak for themselves, The car care nut channel is 100% Toyota repair channel, He and his guys stay busy rebuilding Toyota's so saying Your Toyota never needs major repairs is just a LIE.

[@MFS45]

@@raymondreiff8170 Hondas have seen a steep decline in both quality and innovation, it's the truth. They have completely stagnated in almost every aspect, including the luxury side (Acura). Honda back in the day was THE company for reliable cars that were quite sporty and innovative, and that couldn't be further from the truth in 2023. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but the "truth" that you speak of shows that modern Hondas have greatly fallen in reliability, and Toyota and Mazda are currently beating Honda in terms of reliability. Hondas are not what they used to be, that being said, they're still better than any American or European junk on the market.

[@kirkkronenberger877]

Great video, very comprehensive. Subbed.

[@ShadetreeAutomotiveLayton]

Thank you. We really appreciate it!

[@DruMcDoo]

Great video Tom, can see you have an excellent workshop along with staff. It's a shame there are not more high callibre workshops around who don't rip customers off... Here's a question for you.... With fully synthetic oil not breaking down like the old oils, therefore in theory retaining viscosity, how come engines are wearing ou faster? Is it because of reving higher or weaker components perhaps? Have read that if oil is replaced every 5000 miles instead of say 10,000 to 12,000 miles engine will last double the miles going from an average of 150k to 300k. Have you experience of customers who carry out this practice and if so what conclusions have you come to? Interested to know...

[@brianthompson9717]

Would like to have heard the average mileage on those also. I have owned both and loved both of them.

[@stuartstuart866]

Our Honda CR-V has almost 190,000 miles and has been exceptionally reliable, except for the air conditioner. I had more repairs on our Toyota vehicles, but they are still very reliable.

[@douglasjre]

Real data by averaging invoices over time. That is solid proof of your opinion. Nicely done man.

[@jermaineallen2879]

Love this very honest un bias. And explains the possibilities if I lived in Utah I would go to this shop

[@ShadetreeAutomotiveLayton]

Thank you for the support!

[@user-dn9yn7mt6g]

Great video. I’m a Toyota fanatic but I admire Hondas greatly. Will want to own one soon

[@Hypn0s2]

I think you should always research common issues specific to a year/model/engine/trans before any car purchase. Like you mention Ford trucks but you have to watch out for the 5.4L 3 valve V8.

[@josiahstearns9615]

Got a Camry and an Accord sitting in my garage right now. I love both, they work great. I’ve had the Camry longer than the Accord and have had zero problems with it. The only thing I’ve had a complaint about with the Accord is the fuel eco is about 10 below what I should be getting. (with stock rims). Other than that it drives smooth and has been reliable in every other dept. thus far. Either way, always do your research. Not every single engine/transmission is bulletproof. Some have known issues and problems beyond the norm. And keep on those maintenance services.

[@sairampandravada]

Thank you for sharing the inputs , i was waiting for for your Honda transmission CVT replacement , how to identify when to replace?

[@dragonman7914]

Working for both dealerships. Our warranty repair with Honda was 3-5% warranty repair every month and Toyota was 15-20% warranty repair. Both are really good compared to domestic brands. Honda is far superior when it comes to come backs.

[@jeffmorse645]

Thanks for that comment. I had no idea Honda was better as far as warranty repairs go. I just assumed Toyota was.

[@dragonman7914]

@@jeffmorse645 Toyota just does a really good job at promoting themselves. Kinda like coke vs pepsi .

[@ddg2256]

In my personal experience, it flips past the 15 year mark. Old Honda's are generally still very good, but past the 15 year mark the Toyota's are slightly more reliable. That said, Toyota's rust out a bit quicker than Honda's.

[@qud3913]

@@dragonman7914 Not really, according to every reliability statistics Toyota is #1, Honda usually holds 3rd or 4th place

[@EricTheGreat508]

@@qud3913 Honda is easier to work on for most things. Toyota tends to be more complex, but I would go with either. They’re both excellent. The Honda does have the “fun factor” over Toyota.

[@sonalmalhotra07]

Just as a suggestion. I know its tough but Its likely that there may be more TOyotas in Utah versus Honda- that could also account for why more Toyota are coming in to shop. So an even more fair test would be the age mileage and number of vehicles in your service area. Thanks Great Video.

[@GoaTrex2531]

I’ve owned Hondas and currently Toyota’s. The only non routine maintenance issue I had was peeling paint on my Honda. Both vehicles drive well and great quality.

[@jasonmunday9056]

Awesome informative video. Thx!

[@ShadetreeAutomotiveLayton]

Glad we could help. Thanks for your support

[@SamslamminCars]

Good review! People who buy a Honda or Toyota typically have reliability as a main concern. Therefore, willing to do more maintenance and pay to keep up with it. I drive a bunch of old Honda's daily and still will recommend Toyota's if reliability is your main concern. For the fun factor; almost nothing beats a built CRX.

[@KingMe1]

Exactly. Hate going to the mechanic.

[@aaronbarkley539]

Really a CRX? Never driven one, I’ve had an NA Miata and now an S2000, both amazing cars.

[@andrewbinghamjr]

@@KingMe1 that and I can’t afford to deal with bull crap.

[@ragabnh]

Owned a 1984 new CRX back then, great car indeed. I am a Toyota/Lexus guy though

[@SamslamminCars]

@@aaronbarkley539 the S2000 is king with that F series screamer & rear wheel drive but CRX in the right hands is a monster. Cannot beat 2100 lbs with that short wheel base. Anything over 150 HP can hang with most on the streets. 2-250 with a LSD transmission is icing on the cake.

[@stevenatwater7298]

I am a fan of both Honda and Toyota's. I've had a '03 TL-S that I drove to 385k miles and it still ran great when I sold it! Currently driving an Avalon (way under appreciated car btw) that just topped 200k and my wife drives an '13 RDX. Some of my peeves with the older Honda / Acuras are having to press the front wheel bearings out of the hubs to replace the lower ball joints, which destroys the bearing in the process. Toyota's typically have a bolt in hub bearing and ball joints also unbolt and are easier to replace. Another point of difference is timing chains in 3.5 v6 toyota's over timing belts in honda's v6. Pros and cons in everything. Proof will be if the Avalon can get to 385k miles without and major engine repair... I'll let you know! :)

[@user-hf3wx6xz1z]

I bought a 1990 Camry with 11800i miles runs perfect like new

[@BigKWS]

My 10th gen Civic has a timing chain in it which I much prefer over a belt that has to be changed more often.

[@jeffrokraus5483]

Great topic, and thanks for providing data to support your video! 😊. That said, I think you're missing an important data point or two, to help compare. (1) How many Hondas and Toyotas are actually in your area? (2) Where else do Honda and Toyota owners go to service their vehicles, and what does that data show?

[@ctrguy9502]

Fantastic vid & extensive stats in this vid!! Like u stated- “they’re not as good as the used to be”!!

[@timothybrown8424]

Very useful data. I'm in the market for a new car and it pretty much comes down to a Civic, Accord, or Camry. I'm favoring the Civic so this reinforces my decision.

[@BigKWS]

The Civic is probably best for gas mileage unless you get a hybrid Camry or Accord. I drive a Civic, but I don't have a family to drive around yet. If you do, then the Camry or Accord might be the better option.