Recurve Form Series Episode 4 | Set Position part 1: Stance and Posture with Jake Kaminski

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

I have had a few people mention they feel like they are taking advantage of the situation with this info being out there for free. I want to let you all know that I am doing this to help spread the word of my knowledge on the sport to bring more interest into the seminars that my wife and I have been hosting around the world.... The best thing you could do is to spread the word about this KZbin Channel and to get this info out there for people to use. There isn't enough solid resources for information with experience to back it up and there is a huge void with first hand experience as a top level archer. You can help out the community at large and encourage it to grow. Support for this channel is generated from views, subscribers and the books/seminars that we have available on my website www.jakekaminski.com There is also Amazon Affiliate links to tools and gear listed in the description so be sure to check that stuff out if you are in need of the tools or equipment I use. A book containing the information from the tuning series is in the works and I am excited to get that out there as another resource for you, the archery community to enjoy.

[@miketurner6118]

THANK YOU !!

[@marcellocrevatin3905]

Thanks a lot

[@kimjohnson6179]

I just found you! And happy I did. You're free help is very much appreciated. During the month of July I could do no wrong - all in the yellow. Come August my cluster started to shift a bit to the upper right. Now I cant get 2 together anywhere in some color. Hoping the process of elimination via your videos will rid me of the yip. Thank you PS please come back to the Central Valley CA, and let me know when.

[@maxstepaniuk4355]

I like the way you don't just throw terminology in our faces but explain it step by step without leaving beginners in what-the-hell-he-just-said confusion

[@michaelevan9184]

This video really helps immensely to show what’s in coach Lees book on posture and stance...etc... Thank you so much for everything your doing. I’m 58 and just starting to learn Olympic style archery. Keep the videos coming! Thanks Jake!

[@Little-by-little-more]

This tutorial is better than all the 'archery form' books I've read!

[@sillybilly7467]

I am honestly excited and proud to have joined your community so early. I hope it will EXPLODE in the upcoming years man. You deserve that and so does this amazing sport. It’s a shame it doesn’t get that much publicity and it’s really little known here in Italy even though we did make a big contribution to this industry. I’ll be supporting you on Patreon and am looking forward to buy your books and have access to your knowledge about techniques and now tuning. Thank you again with my whole heart. Luca

[@darrenwesthead7667]

Thanks jake. That really was well explained. Its also making me question my posture. So will try it out next time I shoot.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Thanks! Good luck, hope I could help.

[@stephaniev.2935]

Oh my god! Thank you so much! I couldn’t figure out what was wrong with my anchor point, the string would dig into the side of my breast and I could tell I wasn’t fully expending. Instead of naturally anchoring I would have to tick my nose onto the string. I thought something was wrong with my drew weight or my limbs 34# limbs. You have a loyal viewer and I’ve brought all the books you advertised on your channel. ❤

[@MrIanfurniss]

Another short 'thank you!'. I managed to get out yesterday in less than ideal conditions, to get back to basics and give all this a try. A definite improvement! At the time, my consistency increased, there was certainly more feeling in my back, and this morning I've woken without the usual front deltoid pain that I usually get, especially after a layoff period. For anyone reading this, watch the video again, bookmark it, and get practicing!

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Good to hear, thanks again.

[@acupuncturevet9481]

Brilliant again, thank you. I’ve studied serious Tai Qi Chuan as a martial art(not the airy fairy stuff) for decades and everything you say about stance and posture correlates exactly with the teachings of the top Masters. “Sink your Qi”!

[@WithEachBreath]

Except in Tai Chi you would NEVER lock your knees. Muscle engagement to support the action yes, but NO locked joints. "Sink the chest" (or chest down), cultivate the "six bows" in the body.

[@MrThePLandor]

This series is one of the best ever. Thank you so much for all the great info, ideas, drills and thoughts you have given me.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Just getting started.....

[@MrThePLandor]

@@JakeKaminskiArchery Keep them coming' man. Keep them coming!

[@jrreid24]

Taking this in small chunks. The first half of this vid saved me big time. (Was a hollow backer) And pinching the penny is a good analogy.

[@abacusgeek7903]

Thanks so much for explaining not just the 'what' and the 'why', but also the 'how'. I've learned so much from your videos already - just have to put it into practice.... Really hoping you'll address target/clicker panic at some point too. It's been the bane of my past 18 months.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

I will eventually, thanks for the suggestion.

[@garyr5370]

@Jake Kaminski ... Thank you. I am a bare-bow guy...self aught "instinctive type". Despite the differences, these have been very helpful...your tuning series has me thinking of going to ILF so I can experiment with some of the doo-hikkies you guys put on your bows :) ... Seriously...these are helpful and have given me something to work on in my basement while the snow piles up in my backyard! my groups have shrunk big time!

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Glad to hear its working out for you.

[@johnellis4475]

Thanks Jake, your delivery of information is very clear and Super Helpful. You are helping me in many ways. Thanks for the hard work and effort.

[@jamesjgill]

Ok, now I have the focus of today's practice. Off to the range! Thanks again Jake for providing things to focus on so I don't just fling arrows downrange.

[@EricPoulinSEO]

Wow, so thorough and instructive! This is the best online archery coaching I've seen. I hope you become a KZbin millionaire! Keep up the content, love it all!

[@52dsloan]

This is one of the best episodes! All good, but this really helps.

[@curtish3980]

Thank you! After each form series video, my groupings are getting tighter and more accurate. Glad to see you back in archery!

[@blaze3377]

big thanks to you for explaining all these things, will try them in the next training.

[@justinmonnett3345]

Jake, I have been enjoying your videos so much. They are packed with info. I agree, there is a lack of info on archery online. Hopefully you do a seminar in Vegas sometime soon. I’d typed a ton more here then figured it’d b better to try and email you on your website, so hopefully you read it!

[@fredcarter7003]

This is good teaching and well Illustrated

[@pocahontaspowhatan4277]

Thank you for all that good information. I use a open stance from the times of my youth, shooting hours in the woods with a self made long bow. I feel that the angular motion in the back shoulder is less stressful, besides the advantages in stability and uneven terrain. Even more my neck is a bit more relaxed. And then it is more close to the position of a walking step, so when you hunt you are faster in position using an open stance.

[@joachimdorner4785]

Jake, your demos and explanations are really awesome and help out a lot; please continue these sessions as they are perfect for new shooters like me!

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

That is the plan.

[@InitHello]

I love how you credit your wife for insights. That's how a good spouse should do it.

[@TheNijlie]

Thanks for the excellent information! Over here they teach us not to lock are knees to become more wind resistant. Will try both ways, see which works best for me.

[@TheNijlie]

I tried indoors, and the paper towel trick really seems to improve my aim and cleanliness of the release. Impressive, I’ll investigate further!

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Good to hear, seems to be the simplest explanation for sure. Try keeping that motion going all the way after follow through is finished.

[@miketurner6118]

Very enlightening as always...always thought I had terrible shooting posture but come to discover its almost exactly correct...hust about as you explain...a a couple minor tweaks and i think ill be even closer to perfect....well as close as need be for my level of shooting.

[@MikeM91320]

Great video...very helpful. Was working on a few things this morning and wish I had seen this before, but will def try making some adjustments tomorrow.

[@peternguyen1911]

Bruh, I think this video is going to save me from future injuries!

[@spencervaleri6327]

Do you have any tips or drills that could help a guy from leaning back? I have a bad habit of leaning back as you modeled at the end of the video. This is a great series. Thanks so much!

[@theovanhinthem5623]

thanks Jake it is very helpful to me

[@Fitzelchen01]

Thanks a lot Jake, thats what i needed. I had a hard time with string slapps on my upper chest/shoulder after I get the instruction to stand straight (from an experienced archer). yout posture instructions should solve this.

[@Redsnake7819]

I am OCD on having things in geometry that's why I resisted open stance as I could never figure whether I am opening more or less referencing to shooting line. Will give the open stance another shot based on your instructions. Great video.

[@Redsnake7819]

This worked out great.... once I figured it out, it made a lot of sense. I am sticking with open stance now. Thank you Jake.

[@asid2burn]

Jake great instructional videos! Its one thing to tell someone the way to do it but u go the extra and explain why and thats a big deal. Btw your knees when u flex them look like baby face's.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

That’s creepy

[@lehangtq1]

Love your video so much, thank you very much for sharing.

[@GlennPierce]

The slouching thing is great I feel much less tense and more stable.

[@adambenedicic8841]

I tried this today with the open stance and my first several arrows were awesome and I got super excited that I may get a new high score however after my warm up and into my scoring rounds of 2 x 30 arrows i just lost it all 😳 my muscles all felt alot more fatigued alot quicker as well! Also when I had the bow slightly tilted top end to the left the shots were alot better compared to the bow being straight 🤔

[@fredcarter7003]

Really good knowledge

[@mgeelhoed1307]

Jake great work, keep it up, could you do a video on the mental game please

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Will do.

[@peterhulley3062]

Cheers for your instruction

[@commando3752]

Great instruction, and detail. I'm a visual learner, so I would have liked to see your feet positioned more as you were speaking. I could see you looking down at your feet as you were talking about foot position, but I didn't get it because I couldn't see anything on the floor.

[@survivalist9818]

Subscribed and thank you for doing this.

[@kingofthebums]

Teehee! I really appreciate the knowledge. I'm learning a ton! But it tickles me a bit every time you say lower extremities instead of legs. Just funny. Not incorrect or anything. Thanks for the lessons!

[@miketurner6118]

Jake...love your R W B floor tiles. I'm wicked Patriotic [with a capital p] as I have the sense you are''' from watching all your posts.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

I love the USA that is for sure.

[@codygreenwood726]

Get into Barebow Jake!

[@ericthoburn4969]

Jake, another great video. I shoot a compound bow and the information on feet an hip position really seems to cross both disciplines. What about chest position. A collapsed chest seems more appropriate for the recurve archer. I know these videos tend to be more recurve archers but still enjoy them.

[@artemidealmeriabaraldi]

Thanks for your explanations, every time I watch another video of yours my understanding of archery improves a bit more! 🙂 Question about back foot: do you not recommend to open it farer from the target only in open stance, or in close stance too?

[@michaelglembourtt1394]

Great video; thanks for posting these. I am very new (1 yr) to Olympic recurve target archery, but I have been a competitive target rifle shooter for 30+ years. Many of the principles of the stance for archery are VERY similar to those for shooting the rifle in offhand (standing) position. In particular the concept of including some back twist into the stance to enhance stability is very similar. You don't mention "natural point of aim" (NPA) in this video, and it is crucial for shooting the rifle well in offhand. I am very a beginner with the bow, but I am finding that NPA is equally important for me in my archery. When I use an open stance (right handed shooter), my NPA is left of the bull, and I tend to pull arrows off to the left. With a more closed stance (with my NPA right on the bull), shots tend to come back toward the center. Any thoughts? There certainly may be other things wrong with my form; I am trying to teach myself to shoot the bow and I am still on the steep part of the learning curve. Thanks.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

I shot (briefly) competition rifle in high school (.22lr at 50 feet) and struggled with offhand. I can imagine if you were halfway successful you’d be able to have that knowledge on NPA more so then me. I have shot on crazy terrain in this sport and no matter what you have to put the arrows in the middle. Including shooting at angles down a cliff Face where they require you to strap into a harness. I’ve learned to force myself to do what I want. I believe you may be on to something and encourage you to add your personal experience to this knowledge I hope to share with you and come up with the optimal technique. Please share where you do.

[@michaelglembourtt1394]

​@@JakeKaminskiArchery - So yes, I am a good offhand shooter and I do understand NPA pretty well. I also think that it applies to archery. In essence, when you are at full draw, and you are only employing the correct shoulder and back muscles to hold the bow, the bow "naturally" want to point at some spot downrange. If that spot is not the center of the target, you must use back (twisting) or arm muscle to "push" the sight toward the center. If you are using muscle to hold on the center, when you release and relax, the bow will move back toward your NPA. Of course, this will push the arrow off center. The problem is greater with a slower bullet or arrow because they take longer to leave the rifle barrel or the bow. .22s are more effected by this than are centerfire calibers. The arrow is really slow so it is effected a lot. I understand the advantage of back twist to stabilize the torso, but there still an NPA where the bow tends to point toward the center even when the shot is released. I think that everyone has to find that NPA, even while you are using back twist to help stabilize. That's my beginner's theory anyhow. I'm working on my position everyday, so it is an experiment in progress.

[@zulamer2435]

Hi jake, regarding the open stance, when i'm at full draw and holding due to high wind, my body suddenly went side way, and I had to hold it with my toes to avoid collapse. Any tips on that problem? p/s: regardless the wind direction, my whole body will go the right,so I dont think the wind is the cause

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Not sure on that one. Seems like you have too much weight forward from unnecessary leaning if I had to guess.

[@melchorcastro-bq5qs]

Thanks

[@fabianipit]

Hi Jake, any chance the same posture, feet placement, and everything you discussed also applies to compound shooters?

[@stephenericwalsh]

Hi Jake. Love the video. In Total Archery it says to set an open stance of 30 degrees and to run the line through the ball of the foot and the heel, not the instep. What made you set it at a less open angle?

[@SuperFunnyContent]

Hi @jakekamiskiarchery Thanks for the videos. Quick question, I'm a beginner, only been shooting a few times. I was taught the closed stance, but definitely want to switch to the open stance...at what point should I start practicing the open stance? immediately? Or wait until I'm more intermediate?

[@christianmorfaux8514]

Excellent video, thank you Jake, when is the French translation ?

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Im not sure if KZbin generates subtitles for other languages once they establish them in English?

[@joeljohnrempillo3157]

Great video! Is this posture also appropriate for shooting compound?

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

It can be, however many top pro shooters use the opposite form. I believe compound takes out a lot of the things that can cause issues on recurve shooters. However what is optimal? Hard to say and hard to argue the results of top compound shooters that have pretty much opposite stances and posture that are represented in this video.

[@Noniinthebush]

Hi Jake thanks for this so much. I’m a female beginner and I have been stinging my breast with the bow string! I didn’t know about chest protectors. What has happened though, is I’m now probably holding the bow wrong as I’m scared to hold it too close to myself and put everything off. I was doing ok but now my shots have gone off.

[@rayking3466]

when I coach women who have this issue, it is almost always shoulder position. Watch the part about shoulder position in the first half of this vid. If you don't turn your shoulders and extend the bow arm, your breast will get between the string and bow especially if you are on the larger side.

[@jamesjgill]

I am able to apply a lot of this, however I am having trouble engaging my back with a low/ flat chest. I am trying to get a good strong rotation after transfer but not able to yet. Also I think I am getting a bit more rapid floating of my sight pin, however I think this is fixing the problem of why my bubble is always right; I may have been in a bit of chest up/ back arch posture or just leaning back on my heels too much? I will keep at it.

[@ryuugureen4969]

Does the 60%-40% apply with flat sole shoes? Regular shoes? Or both?

[@kylerasmussen1455]

after trying out this 15 degree foot move, i now have fore arm slap. How do i prevent this?

[@S4suk3S4mur41]

Thanks, But now i have a problem: I ve ended shooting with an arched back because i can keep my bow scapula lower. I really can not "feel" my scapula while trying to have a straight back. Can you help me ?

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

have you watched the form series about the movement vs muscles? I believe you may have a misconception as to what you should or shouldn't be feeling back there. As long as you are moving the structure correctly you should be using all the right muscles and your internal feeling needs to change to what it feels during the correct movement.

[@S4suk3S4mur41]

@@JakeKaminskiArchery Thank you. I will check that ASAP

[@wgundamz]

Is there a better/different stance for girls so the chest is not interfering?

[@blackriflex39]

never thought my poor posture would ever be beneficial im a born archer lol the penny in the butt had me rolling .. good stuff man im a sponge be my water

[@burkhard353]

Thanks a lot for your series. I like them both very much. Please let me have a question concerning the stance. You prefer an open stance to promote back tension and refer the amount of degree to the shooting line. But isn’t a stance parallel to the shooting line (you call it a closed stance) yet an open stance, because I have to rotate my shoulder-line for proper alignment to the barrel of the gun let’s say about 5-10 degrees? So, referring to the hips, the rotation for the shoulders should be between 20 to 35 degrees?

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

You are correct, however its just not enough rotation. It is standard when using this method of shooting to have the open stance feet wise.

[@Brunonms]

I f*** liked this R10 t-shirt.

[@michaelschmidt7080]

This is very interesting and helpful. I have the following problem. I just to stand in a reeally closed position, means, the back foot is not in line with the other, but behind it. I tried the open stand it it felt good, but I had problems to get the arrow through the clicker. Is it possible, that the open stand shortens the draw length a little? Feels like 1/2 an inch.

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Usually what that does is show you how flexible (or not) you are. Make sure you are trying to rotate your shoulders fully into position in the set-up position before you go to load.

[@timbaland952]

With back tension, would you say the major muscles being used are the lat and rhomboids? I’m a trainer and it would help to know exactly which muscles should be primarily being used. I still feel like I’m not completely using proper tension

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Correct, and posterior delt/teres/stabilizers

[@caitlinrl630]

(Using my wife's Premium account here to watch and comment) These videos are great! Thank you, Jake. I had to rework my stance, draw, and posture, which was terrible at first, but already paying dividends a couple sessions in. 2 questions: 1) I find it challenging to not breathe with my chest. Any tips or exercises you would suggest? 2) My right shoulder feels excellent with the drawing technique you suggest. Now I pay more attention to the fatigue in my left (bow arm) shoulder which makes it hard to push towards the target. Again, any tips/exercises for that?

[@allaboutarchery1978]

Hiiii THANKS VERY MUCH. .... INDIAN archer

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

Thanks

[@allaboutarchery1978]

@@JakeKaminskiArchery sir plz tell about mind tuning (mentality)

[@akioutsunomiya4343]

a new subject::: I am ordering a 27 inch riser and the limbs are long (28 inches) long for a formula riser. how long is string should be for example ( 72 inches long)??? for the bow???

[@JakeKaminskiArchery]

a 69" string is a good starting point.

[@Sangey_archery]

The conclusion was skipped 😁, but still thank you

[@TutorWindow]

"Take a half step forward with your back foot."

[@fredcarter7003]

Why is there Controversy about what you’re going what you’re saying it’s all body mechanics and it all makes sense there’s no controversy and dad

[@franciscooper.retired]

An arched back depends on the draw weight of the bow e. g. anything between 100 - 200lbs. A 160lbs bow will require an arched back to bring other muscle groups into play. Like back and lower back muscles that are necessary for a heavy draw weight. 40 - 50lbs is big girls blouse country in terms of medieval bow men. They would certainly be using a 160lbs draw weight.

[@JoeyFlowers]

Well that explains why I almost took my nipple off today..

[@BrothaAustin]

16:45

[@bhabeshchandraadhikarimayu4094]

Fixed camera.

[@ianlaughlin85]

I'm not a fan of his teaching style. Thanks for the effort.