Should Climbers Be Worried about Scapular Winging? (Scapular Dyskinesis)

[@HoopersBeta]

So should “scapular winging” and “scapular dyskinesis” be used interchangeably or not?!

[@howtotom]

Yes, the rarity of scapular winging and the unlikely hood of a climber having the medical issue probably means it won't get confused much

[@galynasmirnova1614]

No. The difference seems obvious and significant once you've explained it.

[@jacoboblanco1555]

No, I think precision matters especially when talking to a mixed-experience audience.

[@danielkunkler7293]

No.

[@missusingle]

Nah. Correct communication matters, especially when talking about anatomy/physiology. And if you need help (med, PT) it’s good to know exactly what you’re asking for. (Is there a link for the “How to Fix…” vid?) Good stuff. Great balance between climbing, the body, and comic relief. Thanks!

[@switchfootforever24]

Thanks doc! Full video on fixing scapular d would be great!

[@HoopersBeta]

Will do!

[@Paradyme88]

Hooper I have been dealing with scapular winging for a long time now and I'm working with a PT already and a physiatrist to figure out the issue. That being said I really appreciate this video! It gives me more context on what's going on and also yes I would really like to see a scapular recovery specific video. These videos are super helpful for not only my climbing but for everyday activity. Thank you!

[@HoopersBeta]

Glad it is helpful and happy to hear you are working with a PT! I hope the issue starts to resolve! Training vid is in the works ;)

[@galynasmirnova1614]

Thanks for the video! Hoping to see part 2 on how to fix the issue soon.

[@HoopersBeta]

On it!

[@carsonjeffery9238]

Just discovered this channel from looking up climber's elbow. All the videos are comical, informative, and dives into issues that not a lot of other climber youtubers think of. Hands down best KZbin channel about rock climbing.

[@HoopersBeta]

Thank you! Definitely appreciate the kind words. I hope you enjoy our future videos as well :)

[@BlackSpiderPro]

Thank you very much for this brilliant and informative video. I just started climbing (indoor bouldering), and I injured my left shoulder pretty badly the first time, and had to put the climbing on hold for a month. In the meantime, I've been doing a lot of shoulder exercises, and even though coming back to climbing is very scary, this video is comforting. I know for a fact that my shoulders are very assymetrical, but now I also feel more confident that it won't make it impossible for me to climb, if I take the right precautions. I've been climbing 3 more times since then, and I feel like it's getting better!

[@epicfudge9817]

Great video. I find that I have no shoulder discomfort however, I can very easily move my scapula to stick outwards. They can protrude out of my back like horns, or "wings". I can even stick my hand in behind the scapula that's sticking out and then close it again. it's not particularly discomforting but should I be worried I can move them about that much?

[@jhy8191]

As a kid I used to dance and distinctly remember a girl in my class with scapula that jutted out all over the place, even when she wasn't dancing. Now I know why! Great video, looking forward to the next on how to fix SD.

[@Phoenixhunter157]

That girl was me.😂😂😂

[@smerfikx6359]

My back is in the film,I feel like I'm a star now, my live is changing in good way ahahah :)

[@HoopersBeta]

Next stop Hollywood! 😜

[@probablyclimbing7738]

My shoulders are thanking you for this video!!!

[@Dominuspriter]

Perfect video, thank you so much

[@snefansson]

Hahah, I should have been on the showcase videos. I have a solid inch of scapula that pops out Looking forward to the next part as everyone else;)

[@Alpercinoo]

As a physical therapist im curious what app you are using for your video analysis. Thanks for the video!

[@EmileModesitt]

It's called OnForm :)

[@Alpercinoo]

@@EmileModesitt TY!

[@smockytubers1188]

How I feel about the terms being used interchangeably: Is it fine for people generally to say any scapular dyskinesia is winging? Yeah probably. Anyone who's going to recommend any fixes should* be smart to actually examine them first anyway, and they'll be able to spot the difference pretty quickly. Maybe those people, the coaches/PTs/helpful gymbro friends, should be more careful with their terminology, but I think that tends to come with the territory naturally. Way back in college we called it scapular winging if the entirety of the medial border of the scapula was visibly protruding posteriorly, being careful not to confuse it with the probably more common anterior scapular tilt, because the causes and treatment were usually very different. Winging, to us, was more indicative of weakness in the sagittal plane whereas the significantly more common anterior scapular tilt was more complex but usually most relevant for being unable to raise the arms completely overhead without spinal substitution patterns. Basically too many people were seeing/feeling their inferior angle jut out while moving their arms around, googling scapular winging, and finding out that pushups was the cure. This made tight pecs, scapular elevators, and GH internal rotators even worse, when really all they needed was some facepulls, pullaparts, or nomoneys and some pec minor mobility. But that was a while ago, I haven't kept up with things, and I was never that great at all that stuff anyway, so I'm more curious what your take is.

[@HoopersBeta]

Well said on so many components! I especially liked the "Basically too many people were seeing/feeling their inferior angle jut out while moving their arms around, googling scapular winging, and finding out that pushups was the cure. This made tight pecs, scapular elevators, and GH internal rotators even worse, when really all they needed was some facepulls, pullaparts, or nomoneys and some pec minor mobility." It's a good example of how the misuse of the term can be detrimental... but also a good example of how dr. google isn't always the best medical option :) Thanks for commenting / sharing!

[@nicolemuzones9720]

This literally became an obsession of mine as of yesterday! How did you know? Help me fix my shoulder dyskinesia and make that video, pretty please!

[@HoopersBeta]

Oh dang, what timing!! Ok no worries we are on it 👍

[@perry3175]

Have you managed to fix it ?

[@AVPML]

Amazing content, will share on in st for sure. Thanks for your vids and way of doing them. 💪

[@HoopersBeta]

Much appreciated! :)

[@LovelyLena070]

What about when the scapula wings out when your arm bends behind your back?

[@HoopersBeta]

Usually normal! The scapula wants to tilt forward as you reach the arm back so you may see a little more winging in that position :)

[@mattnunes3893]

How reliable is visual observation of SHR? Also, is scapular diskinesis a risk factor for pain/injury, or are you mainly talking about performance here?

[@connorm5234]

I had spinal fusion for scoliosis about five years ago and have dealt with scapular winging since I was pretty young. I started climbing about a year and a half ago an have been trying to focus on strengthening my shoulders a lot during the process. My range of motion isn’t affected at all and I don’t really have any pain, my shoulder blade just wings all the time. Is this something to worry about? For context I’ve been progressing through the grades fairly quickly (V2-V8 in 18 months) and I’m concerned about injury in the future

[@HoopersBeta]

If the issue isn't worsening and you're able to do moves with control and no pain that's a good sign! It depends, I suppose, on if you're doing the appropriate exercises or not to help specifically with the cause of your issue. If so then you should be able to still make progress! It may still be a good idea to reach out to a professional for an evaluation if you are concerned.

[@gedenirfiorese3523]

Great video! Would you say we should avoid lifting heavy while in the process of fixing it? I have a few compensations while lifting, even though I try to perform the exercises correctly. I wonder if lifting is holding the progress on my scapula

[@HoopersBeta]

It depends. If the weights are causing you to compensate, then yes, you have likely progressed too quickly and are getting the compensations as a means to accomplish the goal of lifting the weight by any means necessary. If the two are unrelated then you don't need to lower the weight if you haven't been having pain.

[@kavali6320]

Great video, had it all: knowledge a n d style ;)

[@HoopersBeta]

Haha thank you!

[@SheIIdon]

it feels like 40% of this video are calls to action, like button and social media stuff

[@HoopersBeta]

Like and subscribe! And comment! And buy a shirt! Lol

[@JakeYaks]

the exact video i was looking for!

[@HoopersBeta]

👍👍

[@DavidMartinBouldering]

Super informative!! Thanks!!

[@jesscolliflower5531]

Shattered humorous got a rod and screws holding it together. Tore labrum and had shoulder shortened up with reattach rotator cuff to stop the dislocation prior to injury. 4 years later chiropractor says second rib keeps going out. Gets worse every time seems like.

[@HoopersBeta]

Hmmm, seems like there are other factors at play not just a second rib going out.

[@user-qb4wz3hi6d]

Is there a way to get back into bouldering with beginning arthrosis diagnosed in the shoulder?

[@relaxmeditate3236]

Great video!

[@meekrodriguez6438]

Awesome video

[@keanuvanlierop1088]

When you fix scapula dyskinesis, is your shoulder position after that also lower? Trying to fix my posture but it takes longer than expected and is much more painful. And I prefer scapular winging, feels better in your mouth. Unfortunately I'm not the person to choose names for thing like this😂

[@HoopersBeta]

If by shoulder position being lower you mean less shrugging with overhead motions or scapular retraction, then yes that should be the case :)

[@notericmoore9479]

Dr. Scaupla and the Winging Hoopers

[@p_lilli]

11:10 can't find the link to the charts - can anyone help me?

[@HoopersBeta]

They’re in the show notes on our website (that’s where we post all our notes). Here’s the link: www.hoopersbeta.com/library/should-you-be-worried-about-scapular-winging-climber-dyskinesis-demystified 🙂

[@nbka8rs]

Those solution comps!!

[@HoopersBeta]

Love ‘em!!

[@natehall8837]

Keep them seperate!

[@joji_okami]

cue the "The amount of muscles that attach to the scapula is too damn high" meme

[@HoopersBeta]

Haha so high! 17 of them to be exact. So nuts!

[@michaelb2938]

Scapular dyskinesia definitely

[@empowerwellnessessentialoils]

They should be separated!

[@kaizacorp]

really disappointed, how can I compare scapular winging vs scapular dyskinesia if I can't see dude's ass?! Consitency people, consistency!! 😂 Thank you so much for your informative videos 💪

[@HoopersBeta]

🤣🤣 Laying down the hard facts

[@oliverkerr9645]

Oh my God, please stop having a moving camera and subject! Your channel is to good to ruin!