SB Tactical SBA3 vs SBA4 Pistol Brace Comparison

[@BeastHunterSam]

1:24 was smooth as hell, good stuff dude

[@markej4801]

Nice to see someone give an opinion and state it as such. Your points are all valid and give me good consideration on my next pistol build.

[@evey0259]

Hard disagree. When I totally accidentally shoulder my not-an-SBR, the SBA3 doesn't feel as solid and the narrower contact point with my shoulder and pec feel flimsier and less stable. The SBA4 feels like the best not-a-stock around. I do hate the positioning of the QD cups on the SBA4, but that's my only complaint.

[@MrBlahblahblee]

Yeah the QD point on the SBA4 gets in the way of the charging handle but just put a QD endplate and run the sling there. And in the event that the brace happens to accidentally/inexplicably touch the opposite shoulder, the backplate mount option prevents the sling from getting in the way upon swapping sides

[@devinantonovich1]

I agree. If I ever buy a pistol with an sba3 brace, first thing I do is ukgrade with an sba4. Cant stand the flex in the sba3 and I feel like it throws my shot off.

[@commanderosis435]

This makes me hate California so much

[@arieheath7773]

I’ve pretty much hated this state ever since I started shooting guns.

[@commanderosis435]

@@arieheath7773 try being born in San Francisco.

[@poppaluv]

just move to 'merica. Put in your application, answer a few questions and you're all set! ;)

[@drkns92]

Found this one to be much more informative than some others. Thanks.

[@AlphaRomeoOneFive]

When I built my last pistol lower neither the sba3 or sba4 were out yet so I ended up going with the sbpdw which has been great. If I were building it again today I'd go with the sba3. Good video and comparison hop 👍

[@bubblewhip382]

I like how everyone reviewing pistol braces are evaluating it on its "non-intended" function.

[@Genesis23OPB]

im no US citizen so pls excuse my question, but whats the intended use of a brace then? if you lock it to your arm, it makes proper aiming impossible. using a brace as a brace is absolutely useless and nowdays braces are so sophisticated you dont really need a "real" stock, right?

[@bubblewhip382]

@@Genesis23OPBAFAIK it was initially designed by a disabled person with one arm that was designed to wrap around the users forearm to shoot ar15 pistols one handed.

[@loumencken9644]

@Bubble Whip So true. I don't recall ever seeing anyone in a "pistol brace" evaluation actually using it as a brace.

[@DeepCFisher]

@@loumencken9644 inrange tv has done an eval of one pistol brace using it as it was "intended"

[@RideForLifeCR250R]

Ain't noone going to tell me how to sit on a toilet.. use things how you see fit 😁

[@bigghoss762]

The SBA4 is just a little bit longer too. I'm a tall guy and the SBA3 was too short for my liking, the A4 is just barely long enough. Something to think about for people around 6' and above.

[@Hoplopfheil]

I'm 6'4", my secret trick is to just fuckin' deal with it. 😎

[@bigghoss762]

@@Hoplopfheil I was doing that. And then the SBA4 came out and now I don't have to. Well, not as much anyway.

[@Averitt13]

@@Hoplopfheil I’m a new sub just because of this comment/reply.

[@cliffordmontana4562]

@@Hoplopfheilit’s hard to tell how tall someone is in a video. I had no clue you were that tall. I would’ve guessed 6 foot max. Happy new year Hop!

[@Fugettaboutit]

I have both as well, and for just shooting I prefer the SBA3. The SBA4 looks and acts very 'stock-like', but with my wider jaw I generally don't like wide cheek welds on stocks, and the rear 'corners' of the SBA4's brace are kind of uncomfortable when accidentally shouldered. The SBA3 on the other hand had what I feel like is a much nicer contour for my check and when occasionally shouldered feels much more comfortable. I have a Splitfix strap on all my SBA3's which definite helps with collapsing, but as pointed out in the video, not having extra support struts doesn't really come into play when shooting. Actually for my SBA4 I shaved down the width of the cheek weld and rounded off the rear corners for comfort. Obviously doesn't change the function of it whatsoever, but just makes it a bit more 'ergonomic'. Still I prefer the SBA# even though theoretically it's not as sturdy. I even prefer the SBA3 over the Tailhook.

[@RideForLifeCR250R]

Straight forward, no bullshit, pragmatic point of view review.. HELL YEAH, my kinda guy 😎

[@philthiac]

Have you tried what others are doing with their SBA3 braces, which is folding the bottom rubber flaps inwards, then tightening the brace strap to hold the folded flaps in place, to achieve a more solid brace?

[@Hoplopfheil]

I've seen it done but haven't felt the need to mess with it.

[@gbullock2598]

My springfield saint victor came with a sba3, no complaints here. 👌🏾

[@atadbitnefarious1387]

i have torn one of the ears off the sba3 from it "occasionally" touching the edge of my plate carrier. Moving onto the sba4 now

[@austingriff5905]

I have the original SBM4 and I wanna upgrade to the new adjustable version. I feel like that whole model line is just the sturdiest, most solid feeling of them all and looks good aesthetically. Hell the one I have on a 10.5 pistol I swear I could beat someone to death with that brace and buffer tube it’s rock solid lol

[@WheelgunsOnWheels]

Isn’t the split design of the SBA3 intended to go around your forearm? Like stick your wrist through it and use the Velcro strap to snug it up over your wrist?

[@AOMartialArts]

I've got the SBA3 on my Trash Panda pistol. I can't think of a negative for it....

[@jackshyt4]

I have a couple and honestly don't use the slide at all. It's not a negative, but sometimes the SB mini is more practical.

[@zarmindrow5831]

Original KAK Blade (the big one) with a Law Tactical Folder. Locks up solid. Don't need to collapse the brace if it's a folder. Single motion to deploy, same as a collapsible.

[@crycada]

I’m debating which pistol brace that I want to get. Thank you for the informative video!!

[@MikoTactical]

Sba3 is more practical, SBA4 looks cooler. Which you could argue is actually more practical.

[@justsomemincedgarlic]

I have both and put a stiffy in both. I prefer the sba3 because I think it looks cooler and the QD sling mounts are in a better spot imo. But looking cool is half the battle so I go with the 3 😎

[@Nuke-China]

hate the position of the QD sockets for the SBA4

[@Hoplopfheil]

After playing with it a bit I sort of concur. That 12.5 AR has a QD endplate that I normally put the sling on, and I'll go back to using that instead of the QD on the brace.

[@Nuke-China]

@@Hoplopfheil Waiting for an SBA4 that changes the placement of the QD socket to the rear of the stock and changes the orientation of the latch so that it allows use of all 6 positions. The whole argument over length of pull on a pistol with a stock makes no fucking sense seeing as length of pull involves the length from the trigger to where your should contacts the stock, and braces aren't stocks. Brace manufacturers need to stop being pussies.

[@bigghoss762]

Agreed. I usually run my sling from a QD endplate but when I don't I want it as far to the rear as possible.

[@ryanpeck3377]

Castle Doctrine The ATF has to approve the brace. When they do that length of pull is one of the factors. SBA wouldnt be able to get it approved for sale. If they did sell it they risk their whole business being shutdown. If its really an issue you can use the Law Tactical Folder to increase Length of pull (technically if you install the law fokder you are supposed to block the holes to make sure l.o.p. Is compliant

[@chuckfinley4292]

My sb3 rubber actually ripped there from being in the safe. Now have the 4

[@Hoplopfheil]

I just leave my guns on the floor like a normal person.

[@willwrk4gunz]

I need a safe room so I can lay my guns on the floor.

[@tstststs]

This same thing happened to me, just from leaning up against a wall the brace broke near the hollow part. But I used a bunch of gorilla tape and it's holding, so still usable. I use the 4 now

[@kingpitt4125]

Thanks for the research! Was curious myself.

[@eastcoastflooring4624]

you’ve never tried the split fix because it significantly improved the rigidity of the brace the military doesn’t teach us to mount our head to the rifle we are taught to bring the rifle to our eyesight you shouldn’t have to turtle up to see your optic, but I’m not a KZbin star I don’t know what I’m talking about

[@itsamk18-ish]

Glad someone else thinks the split fix isnt necessary like why does it matter if the rubber folds over?

[@jackshyt4]

It can touch your shoulder now.

[@Hoplopfheil]

Only by accident.

[@MoonRambo702]

It CAN now and COULD always. Unless ur a puzzy

[@itsgurt]

What magazine is in the gun with the SBA4

[@Hoplopfheil]

Torkmag

[@WhenTheManComesAround]

Great vid as always my friend 👍👍

[@justinyelverton]

On the A4, are the struts stiff like a polymer? Or are they flimsy rubber like the arms straps themselves?

[@mrwdpkr5851]

Now do a review on the BMF-69 !

[@noahgondo6636]

My SBA3 broke after about 2 years of daily dry fire and weekend shooting. I’m gonna try the A4 next and see if lasts longer

[@abolishtheatfandrepealthen6014]

They'll replace it if you contact them. I would definitely still try the 4 tho. It's nice

[@jam4955]

damn your posting like a champ

[@charlesdean640]

I thought we were allowed to shoulder them now??

[@JohnDoeEagle1]

You still are as of 1/1/2022..

[@RobertKinne-lh8wn]

What do you have against i eye shooters you said it go away

[@Genesis23OPB]

i am so glad i dont have to put up with this brace bullshit. but is a "real" stock even needed? can a brace that sophisticated not basically replace it? because no one will ever use it as a brace anyway

[@Hoplopfheil]

We are not allowed to ask that question in this country. :)

[@Genesis23OPB]

@@Hoplopfheil so much for that famous freedom, eh? :D but do you miss having no real stock on those guns you showed? or are you totally ok with the braces? because both look functional enough.

[@BD.1996]

Genesis23OPB I’m neither confirming or denying putting a brace to my shoulder but *hypothetically* it’s not really noticeably different from my limited experience with shorter ARs, the blast distracted me from the recoil anyways so it didn’t really factor from brace to stock. And yup braces have basically killed the need for an sbr in my opinion but I’m a cheap bastard anyways so I wasn’t exactly chomping at the bit to get one before I found a AR pistol kit for cheap fun

[@Genesis23OPB]

@@ninorcsinned3465 switzerland, we do not know that brace business. either a gun has a stock or it doesnt, also we do not have that weird pistol definition where a rifle without stock is somehow a pistol.

[@Armored_Muskrat]

@@Genesis23OPB Oddly enough, the SBR law is an "orphaned regulation" with no real purpose. Originally, back in 1934, they were going to make all pistols NFA weapons requiring a $200 tax stamp to purchase, like machine guns. However, the outcry over that was intense enough so they dropped the idea like a hot potato almost instantly and pistols remained unrestricted beyond normal firearms law. However, one piece of that -- the "short-barreled rifle" ruling, which was intended so that people wouldn't add stocks to pistols and thus circumvent the restriction of pistols -- was adopted and got legal force, even though it no longer accomplished anything practical. There were supposed to be two categories, pistols and rifles, with short-barreled rifles effectively counting as pistols. However, because pistols ended up being treated legally the same as rifles, it created a third category, SBRs, for no particular reason at all, completely detached from the original purpose. Since pistols weren't, and aren't, restricted, the SBR thing has no function. It's supporting a restriction that doesn't actually exist in U.S. law. It's literally a regulation intended only to support another regulation that was never adopted, and so at the moment does nothing except create a hassle, while firearms on "either side of it" (pistols and rilfes, respectively) don't have restrictions on them. That's why you Swiss chaps have a more rational classification -- you're not dealing with what's literally an orphaned, pointless leftover of a much more restrictive, widely-applied regulation that was abandoned and never used. Interesting stuff, if kind of depressing in its pointlessness, also.

[@almostontimehero5415]

SBA3 is cooler looking. Flows better with rifle contours and outline. SBA4 is a chunky thicc arm brace.

[@Bigbigpoopi]

It fits a classic upper with a sight post and plastic handguards

[@flexluthor1691]

What a hippy comment. how it looks its 100% subjective.

[@trippie_fabio3181]

@@flexluthor1691 shut the fuck up lmao it’s an opinion

[@ericp4320]

What muzzle on 300blk???

[@Hoplopfheil]

KAK flash can

[@frankm6379]

Excellent review. Accurate and to the point. Thanks!

[@mateuslegramante8532]

ATF: "YOU SHOULDER YOUR BRACE? LAME BRO."

[@Hoplopfheil]

If they really want to ensure compliance they should just start calling people who use pistol braces "cringe." 4ch hates being called cringe.

[@mateuslegramante8532]

@Thor Crowley I can't confirm that, I never know what ATF ruled, but mostly because I'm just a Brazilian with worse gun laws to know :,-)

[@jakeroberts3070]

@Thor Crowley it's legal to shoulder, you're right.

[@jakeroberts3070]

@Thor Crowley no I mean its completely legal to shoulder it.

[@youtubeendorsesleftistprop4304]

I love my sba3 unless the Velcro self rotates, then it can leave little scrapes from the edges of the Velcro. Not a huge deal as it rarely happens.

[@chrisg4253]

Right, because then they might doc some points at the fashion show.

[@willwrk4gunz]

I like putting a tennis ball 🎾 on my ar pistol it’s the lightest brace I’ve tryed.

[@bonk2910]

170 for a brace bruh

[@Hoplopfheil]

Usually more like $130.

[@JoeMommaMoment]

I paid $100 for my SBA4

[@Tonybeanfarm]

Joe Pete mine came loose while firing, that’s the only downside I could find, I had to make it super tight and it dents the tube.

[@bonk2910]

@Joe Pete i just tape on an old shoe and call it a day.

[@henrybarrera1688]

CadeH you have a link?

[@michaelbattin6717]

good video! thank you

[@EvendimataE]

you would not believe it...but the wish version of the sba3 is somewhat better...because its all plastic, it has very little of that split problem

[@Studio2bn]

Fabulous Video.........Thanks....

[@johnhigginson5982]

Yo Hop, I had a gaming channel on in the background and I swear to God it was your voice... I forgot the name of the channel but it had A+ content so if you wanna send me the name of your secret gaming channel that'd be great

[@StrikerX50]

Were you watching Examined Life of (Gaming)? Because that's his channel too.

[@johnhigginson5982]

@@StrikerX50 awesome, thanks man

[@mguerrrero]

Sba3

[@distilledfreedom1840]

I feel like I'm watching a Californian gun tuber explaining the hoops they go through to use a gun. We shouldn't be seeing this as acceptable. Down with the NFA.

[@jakeroberts3070]

...you're allowed to shoulder a brace, guys.

[@BrockNessMonster1991]

- yeah “occasionally and sporadically” lol

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I can tell you fold the sba3 flaps in.

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Don’t mention shoulder lol

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[@spoke1183]

Both junk i went with hard plastic magpul once once i realized how flimsy these are with plate carrier use and when you're out shooting on a sunny day. Literally these turn into a jello pads.

[@RobertKinne-lh8wn]

Sbae junk rattles like a model a

[@michaelversant8401]

why do this look like bump stocks? and i thought the brace was for pistols? Every video ive seen has them on rifles like this video. the one i saw in the hearing for these looks nothing like these and it was on a pistol.

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