HORTEN ® Aircraft HX-2 Flying Wing Flight Film

[@builddude-1]

I like the aircraft you built in 1944, the horten ho 229

[@sargaa8471]

that didn't aged well...

[@christiancampi1736]

Nothing is so beautiful than à flying Wing

[@dannyl6507]

Obviously you have never seen a sports illustrated swimsuit edition.

[@luke_skywanker7643]

@@dannyl6507 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@johnsmithfakename8422]

I consider flying wing aircraft to be the pinnacle of aircraft elegance. I want one.

[@AndrewMellor-darkphoton]

It's sad they need a fast computer to work with instability.

[@Catsrule1132]

Lipish delta 4 was tailless and was made in the 1930s

[@jamesgoddard2321]

@@AndrewMellor-darkphotonYou’re wrong here. With a swept wing and dual rudders at the wingtips it’s plenty stable. I used to own a flying wing ultralight sailplane called a Millenium and it was plenty stable. Pitch was pretty sensitive but it handled turbulence at relatively low speeds pretty well.

[@TastierBackInThe80s]

Its beautiful. Elegant and sleek.

[@dr.gudmundssonaircraftdesign]

That's a gorgeous airplane! I wish you all the best with the development.

[@electricaviationchannelvid7863]

motion agreed...

[@death99ification]

let's gooooo!!!!!!!!! Horten is still in the aviation game!!!!

[@icorezx14r]

It's good to see Horten back in the hunt. Bravo!

[@DruideRC]

this wing is a beauty please if you can, try to rebuild the legendary HO229

[@MelindaGreen]

This looks like an improvement.

[@Irobert1115HD]

impossible: the gothaer waggonfabrik is gone.

[@zy8719]

Why would they?

[@Irobert1115HD]

@@zy8719 do you mean my comment or the comment from druide?

[@DruideRC]

@@zy8719 to prouve the effeciency of the design, that German engineers have succeeded in the first stealth model in history in a flying wing with double reactor. in fact its for science and memory

[@FrugalBuilding]

The Dyke Delta is a 4 place flying wing that has been around since 1962. It is by far the most stable aircraft that I have ever flown!

[@nevillecreativitymentor]

❤❤❤❤❤❤ I have a dream ...of building a DD and its good to know that your experience says it's the most stable. That is extremely reassuring.

[@LeeTaylorpilot]

GORGEOUS! Why not? Same reason as almost any pusher. Debris kicked up by the tires into the prop.

[@tomthompson7400]

still looks fresh and sleek.

[@bryanewyatt]

Pretty neat looking little bird!

[@myperspective5091]

It's nice that you guys finished up your airplane Its good to see it flying 👍☺👍

[@hortenaircraftgmbh2019]

thank you.

[@TheFroztv]

I'm in love with the design ! Looks like a personnal B-2 !

[@hortenaircraftgmbh2019]

Thank you.

[@stupidumbasshithead5715]

@@hortenaircraftgmbh2019 pls continue the HO 229

[@lsx001]

Yes, even cooler would be a personal HO-229.

[@ericoschmitt]

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! wait, i got no money...

[@solidaridadjusticia1438]

I might be getting this wrong but your company name is Horton reminiscent of the Horton brothers that made the ho-229 the first jet powered flying wing amd a very stable flying Wing at that

[@MililaniJag]

Love flying wings. Looks like a lot of oscillation. Met Chuck Yeager and asked him about the Northrop YB-35/YB-49. He said it wasnt stable enough to be a bomber due to oscillation. Also got to see the Northrop N-9M. Good luck Horten!!

[@dand579]

It is interesting that some pilots reported that the YB-35/YB-49 was acceptably stable, some did not, and that Northrop's flying wing was initially was awarded the contract, which was then cancelled under questionable circumstances. Any instability could have been overcome by control systems available at that time. For reference, see what it took to augment the stability of the B-58 Hustler in the late 50's. Those that disliked the flying wing seemed to have an agenda to support the competing B-36. I've talked to old SAC pilots who said that the B-36 was horrible - it's only advantage over the B-29 was range and payload, that it was painfully slow, not much faster than a B-29, and very unreliable. "Six turning and four burning" turned into "two turning, two burning, two joking, two smoking, and two unaccounted for!" Regardless, the fact that the B-21 is replacing the B-52 is vindication of the flying wing and casts a further shadow over the initial cancelling of the YB-35/YB-49. I'd love to see a reference for Yeager's comments, if you have one. As far as I know, he never flew a YB-35 or YB-49. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5rCoGVrbKmNe5I

[@MililaniJag]

@@dand579 Ironic the last Northrop Flying Wing (N-9M) just crashed. No reference of Gen.Yeagers comments. I met him on a commercial flt from PHL to ORD in '83. He flew Glamorous Glennis (or Bob Hoovers P-51?) to PHL to promote The Right Stuff and was returning home. I had just bought a book on the Northrop YB-35/YB-49. Asked him about the conspiracy. He said that the tech of the time wasnt able to stabilize the YB-35. I was reading The Right Stuff and he autographed it for me. A very nice guy. Dont think anybody else knew who he was. Thx

[@dand579]

@@MililaniJag You are very lucky to have had quality time with Chuck Yeager. I've only seen and heard him speak from a distance at the Oshkosh airshow many years ago. The loss of the N-9M and the pilot is truly a tragedy. It was little more than an early prototype and flying museum, but hopefully the investigation will yield something that increases safety going forward. Many flying derivative examples of Northrop's flying wing live on in the Mitchell B-10 ultralight motor glider. Early versions without the winglet rudders had stability problems. I am very curious to learn about the flying properties of this Horten HX-2, and if it will ever be more than a science project.

[@MililaniJag]

@@dand579 I got to see the N-9M and talk to the pilot about 10 years ago at the Palm Springs Air Museum. At the time I was based in HNL and the N-9M pilot was interested in Hawaii and I was interested in the N-9M.

[@hortenaircraftgmbh2019]

@@dand579 You can find properties of the HX-2 on HORTEN® website www.horten-aircraft.com. More details will be published in due course. You are welcome to visit our Fly-In on May 18 at Eisenach Airfield EDGE with several flight demonstrations of the HX-2 during the day. There you will see its more than a science project :)-

[@pheenix42]

Most beautiful. I hope Reimar and Walter got to see this.

[@hortenaircraftgmbh2019]

Unfortunately not, but initial prototypes they did.

[@pheenix42]

Imagine that! Ranks up there with Jack Northrop being shown a model of the B-2 Spirit stealth aircraft before his passing.

[@ritaheinen4124]

Very nice plane designed by Hans M Heinen. 👍

[@utubeaccess7]

I have always loved and studied flying wings, but why do most require up-elevon trim when flying level? To me, it indicates a huge drag loss. Proper flying wing airfoils have reflex built in to counter the forward-pitching tendencies of lift. However, in all of these photos, the elevons are pitched up considerably (negating the efficiency gains of a flying wing). Is this due to a conservatively forward CG? How do you mechanically provide exponential control inputs to counter the flying wing's inherent pitch instability?

[@redlioness6627]

in the early 1990's Benetton put out cars such as their 1993 Benetton B193 which was totally unstable and as a result the most unsafe car on the F1 grid, to offset the flaws it was computer assisted like a fly by wire system where the car was fitted with multiple sensors that relayed their data to the computerised system and the system would programme the car to make corrections with immediate effect and so assisting the driver to race better, such a system built onboard such a flying wing would effectively make immediate automatic corrections throughout the flight and so providing the flying wing with such a reflex system as you have mentioned.

[@EngineeringFun]

They are beautiful, yet extremely twitchy and unsafe. For a fixed center of gravity machine (some drones), they are OK, but when you have any kind of variable load, missing the ideal center of gravity might mean disaster. And indeed, a good reflex airfoil has about half the glide ratio of a regular airfoil. Separating the wing and the stabilizer drastically improve efficiency. There is a reason everyone tried the concept and eventually dumped it.

[@gee_bee-zn9tz]

So schön kann ein Flugzeug sein.

[@arnaldoleon1]

Cool aircraft but why the need for winglets? Are you now using a bell-shaped lift distibution?

[@qzorn4440]

sweet idea.. now combine it with the car for a cool air/road trip 😍 thanks

[@doughoffman9463]

Are those "rudders" I see on the trailing edges of the "winglets/vertical stabilizers"?

[@mro9466]

great design

[@basbeek8149]

Beautifull aircraft! Love its appearance!

[@yves3560]

Flying wings are okay, we know that. All that was missing in today´s flying wings is style. Up to now, it´s here, congratulations.

[@powerhousepaperairplanesrogers]

You guys love flyingwings

[@engineerernest]

Tell me about stall / spin... Is this a factor in this type of aircraft? If so, can you recover?

[@the23rdradiotower41]

Anyway we can find out more about this?

[@clockworkpotato]

Very interesting! Guys, what is your current project status? I wish you luck and patience to make it a commercial product.

[@davidmick9209]

Beautiful!

[@samvance6571]

Ooooooh, I want one!

[@kolbola]

This is the one and only aerodynamic arrangement which will be able to solve all kind of challenges of the motor glider world. Big wing, huge, low aspect ratio for the best glide quality, compact design for high aerodynamic loads, easy to arrange the canopy-engine-propeller trio in the structure. What I would modify (ok, quite big worlds from an amateur) is to move forward slightly the complete canopy section for a better field view, add a minor LERX at the root, improve the lifting body character of the center section, elongate backward the engine compartment (or the gearbox/shaft at least) for a better shape coefficient and use a co-axial 4+4 blade propeller for a neutral propeller momentum, reduced precession and improved propulsion efficiency. That would be a very nice aircraft! :)

[@GodzillaGoesGaga]

Cameras can be added easily. Cockpit can have glass to show outside views. COG and profile are very important from my understanding.

[@rogerpha1398]

Since this is all wing, can I type glass this as a self launch powered glider?

[@FrugalBuilding]

It would be nice if their website were in ENGLISH.

[@mcduck5]

Any progress on devalopment? Thanks!

[@PorscheGTRSWeissach]

Geil! Find ich Klasse, das wieder ein original Horten Nurflügler fliegt! Wurde auch Zeit! Noch Geiler wäre allerdings ein 2-Strahliger Nurflügler! Das würde dem Ganzen noch die Krone aufsetzen!

[@PorscheGTRSWeissach]

Ist es soo schwer eine moderne Version der Ho-9 zu bauen? Die Leute wollen bestimmt auch eine Ho-9 sehen! Heutige Mini-Triebwerke wären ja viel zuverlässiger als damalige... Es geht ja auch nur um die Optik und auch darum zu zeigen, das eine Ho-9 flugtauglich is! Mit heutiger Technik dürfte das doch kein Problem sein oder?

[@philippbock3444]

@@PorscheGTRSWeissach Die sind dabei, eine Jet-Variante, einen unbemannten Typ sowie einen Senkrechtstarter zu planen.

[@armonrakhman3791]

German technology! Awesome

[@microtheguyfromearth]

Horten really likes flying wings, huh

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Just to cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@lokesh303101]

Love it.

[@jamestunedflat8942]

Since I noticed that Horten was responding to the comments, I've had an idea for propulsion that's been rolling around in my mind for about a week now. I was thinking about a ducted fan hybrid system based on a turbo prop turbine spinning an electric generator and running the exhaust through the duct behind a set of electric motors powering the fan blades. This setup would work especially well with a flying/blended wing design. Having a small battery pack would allow more power for take off than the generator can provide on its own, and the exhaust would also provide additional thrust that would be wasted using a standard turboprop design. How would one go about starting a project like this? I'm a truck driver so I don't exactly have a lot of free time or savings to build a prototype.

[@cease_requiem6034]

i remember back when this company was building high altitude bombers and fighter jets

[@muzkat101]

I feel that someone like Burt Rutan and Horten should partner up to make a full-size but private size, 6 passenger Lifting Body Flying Wing Pusher similar to the Celera 500L, but with a full body blended wing design, maybe as a semi-delta wing configuration. A design similar to but scaled down in size to that of JetZero, however, built with a fuller blended wing design.

[@bkzlab]

How much will this plane cost? I want it

[@abcabc-yy6vn]

полохой обзор с места пилота в бок !

[@DANTHETUBEMAN]

Will you be building a electric plane?

[@drantonytoben8810]

PUL9/PUL10 = Why is Siegfried Panek not mentioned? Panek Ultra Light - Bernhard, you remember me from Australia?! Give Siegfried some credit re his visit to Reimar Horten in Argentina!

[@thomasleemullins4372]

I think that is cool.

[@davidgrainger5994]

When will they be available and what is your projected price point?

[@wckoek]

I am surprised that you guys use side by side seating, I very much prefer this kind of arrangement but it is not optimum for pusher configuration due to airflow goes over fuselage before going to the props, the props have to be larger than the diameter of fuselage. If the prop is too close to the wing, air flow is vastly different top and bottom of the wing. Engine cooling also an issue. But would be very interested how you guys counter this problem, not many people manage to make such a dream on paper come true.

[@digitalranger4259]

Such an interesting aircraft! Will there be an LSA version? When will it be shown in the U.S.?

[@anim8ted923]

Beautiful aircraft. No performance specifications on their website.

[@hortenaircraftgmbh2019]

Dear Kevin. The current specifications are indeed on our website- www.horten-aircraft.com/

[@Flybrei]

Sehr schön 👍

[@marc_frank]

aber nicht so schön wie deiner 😂

[@savagecub]

How about putting two small jet engines (like on the Sub-Sonex) into the wings ?

[@mariosantisoferreiros2238]

Was thinking the same, mini ho 229

[@antonblebann6823]

Die originalen Horten Entwürfe kamen ohne SLWK, Winglets, Tiplets.....aus, trotzdem, schön anzusehen 👍🏻

[@glennstubbs8232]

Five years later. What went wrong?

[@sumanm8741]

Well that's a beauty! Please share the build plan 😉

[@aaroncm545]

i think i need it.

[@lukoil4966]

What is the base price?

[@GreasyBelcher]

Base price? Are you sure you don’t want the sports model?

[@il_vendicatore]

this is cool

[@henriksegercrantz362]

I want one! (I already have a Rotax engine! ...on my Funduro..so just a little power boosting ...and wings missing.:)

[@yves3560]

To work ! ;)

[@derikafriedrich9306]

What happened with the bsld wing twist? This design looks more conventional compared to the PUL10.

[@hortenaircraftgmbh2019]

We are very proud of our achievements in having proved that the HX-2 delivers on what has been calculated and expected.

[@EddyJean-claude]

So i guess now every new plane has to look like a stealth bomber. The SEMA society of aviation.

[@demej00]

Beautiful flying wing. I fly rc flying wings cause I can't afford to fly a real one.

[@EngineeringFun]

They are beautiful, yet extremely twitchy and unsafe. For a fixed center of gravity machine (some drones), they are OK, but when you have any kind of variable load, missing the ideal center of gravity might mean disaster. And indeed, a good reflex airfoil has about half the glide ratio of a regular airfoil. Separating the wing and the stabilizer drastically improve efficiency. There is a reason everyone tried the concept and eventually dumped it.

[@nor_cal_trailrides9990]

it's awesome, but it looks expensive :(

[@martinschubert8115]

Hallo, ein sehr stimmungsvolles Werbevideo. Viel Erfolg mit der HX-2. Vielleicht können wir einmal miteinander reden. Freundliche Grüße vom "Luftpostillon"

[@bullshitter905]

crazy that dr horten was in argentina, wonder why. But cool airplane tho

[@kek207]

because he was engineering the flying wing for the NAyis and had to escape

[@MonostripeZebra]

Interessant.. wie schauts aus mit der Nickstabilität?

[@hortenaircraftgmbh2019]

We are very proud of our achievements in having proved that the HX-2 delivers on what has been calculated and expected.

[@mariog9202]

who were you working for in 1945? asking for a friend

[@ericoschmitt]

I really wish I could have a prone pilot flying wing glider with high aspect ratio. I fly hang glider, maybe one day I can have an ATOS+mosquito, but beyond that I dream of a prone pilot glider for high efficiency thanks to smaller fuselage. I might build my own one day, who knows. The old Horten designs are really cool, but can be made better.

[@Depresdude]

A friendly ho-229

[@adrianhsieh4276]

If the price can be kept below €200K this will totally dominate the market.

[@hortenaircraftgmbh2019]

We hope to announce very attractive standard pricing very shortly. Visit our website www.horten-aircraft.com for further information.

[@meocutduoi123]

Horten HO-2?

[@jebise1126]

so who of the original horten brothers designed this?

[@hortenaircraftgmbh2019]

Some of the original designs were inspired by Dr. Ing. Reimar Horten (1915-1994)

[@jebise1126]

@@hortenaircraftgmbh2019 so you mostly took the name?

[@hortenaircraftgmbh2019]

The early prototypes were in fact designed by Dr. Ing. Reimar Horten. The PUL 9 Flying Wing was created from Dr. Horten's calculations and it proved the concept. On Wikipedia, you can find more information here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_HX-2

[@ar1hk]

Ww2 secret plane concept

[@WindThrusters]

Pilot can't see anything below.

[@KlingbergWingMkII]

Pretty flying wing; nice styling. However the flight footage exposes some potential issues. There is a slight wobble entering, during, and exiting turns. This could be a small amount of dutch roll due to the dihedral (which is increased by the tall winglets) causing a coupling of the equations of motion for roll and yaw. This could be annoying to a pilot over time. This issue can be resolved by removing all dihedral or having a small amount of anhedral. The result will be more tendency to have spiral divergence, but the period of that motion will be long enough for the pilot to correct easily. Also, there appears to be a "pecking" motion in pitch which is common to many flying wings (for example the SB-13). This is due to the flat nature of the pitching moment curve near trim. This issue can be resolved by moving mass (pilot, engine, etc) to below the wing. Probably not possible at this stage of development so an electronic pitch stabilization might be in order. There also appears to be a lot of elevator needed in turns. This is typical of flying wings due to the short moment arm. These large deflections cause a lot of spanwise flow which can promote spins. It appears this design is attempting to prevent this problem with a large wing fence. Perhaps it is working, but care must be taken when testing aft CG locations. Elevons that have a planform where their chord is larger at the tip compared to the root can greatly reduce this issue. I hope this aircraft has a spin recovery chute. With proper sizing and placement of inboard flaps, they can be deployed downward to create a nose up pitching moment. If this approach is used, then the inboard flaps can be used to provide the pitch trim required in turns and the downward deflection of the flaps will actually reduce the spanwise flow. Perhaps the wing fences could be eliminated this way and reduce drag. This wing is beautiful and I hope it is also safe. Please test fly it with great care as you expand the flight envelope.

[@hortenaircraftgmbh2019]

Thank you for your comments which are most interesting. We are delighted to have designed and manufactured the HX-2 to become a highly stable aircraft following extensive computer simulation and a great many number of flight tests over a 20 year period working with some of the very best experts in aeronautical design. Anyone is highly welcome to visit our Fly-In on May 18 at Eisenach Airfield EDGE with several flight demonstrations of the HX-2 during the day. Thereafter, there are regular flight demonstrations ongoing. Please contact HORTEN® website www.horten-aircraft.com for more information.

[@JPF123]

@@hortenaircraftgmbh2019 Are you IMPLYING commentators on KZbin don't know more about aircraft design than the entire Horton design team?! Pfft the gall. You might as well gift ME one of your new HX-2s! Certainly, I'll tell you all about the the flaws and wonders of your design.

[@hortenaircraftgmbh2019]

atter0 are you interested to purchase?😉

[@KlingbergWingMkII]

@@hortenaircraftgmbh2019 Actually, I have 40 years’ experience designing and building flying wings, full scale and models. I have a MS degree in aeronautical engineering and I have worked in the aerospace industry for more than 35 years. I am a pilot rated in all types and I test fly my own aircraft. Your design shows many of the classic issues with flying wings and those issues can result in nasty crashes. The dihedral you set combined with the winglet config is causing coupling of the yaw and roll equations of motion. The large wing fences indicated that you are dealing with significant spanwise flow and that is being aggravated by the wing taper and the design of the elevons. In addition, I’d guess that you are using laminar airfoil(s) and on flying wings they become a problem because they significantly reduce yaw damping. Bottom line, I beg you to be extremely careful when doing slow flight turns, especially when you are testing the aft CG location. You could very easily experience tip stall at a much lower angle of attack than expected. The explanation of why this happens is too complex to cover here. The bottom line is that you could easily end up in a flat spin without any warning from the aircraft and those spins can be unrecoverable when the CG is at its aft limit. I see your wing doing things in flight that could result in loss of the aircraft or, heaven forbid, loss of life. Fair Warning!

[@mcduck5]

@@KlingbergWingMkII What? Somebody in the comments section that knows what they are talking about??? What's the world coming too?

[@DustyCowdog]

Let the University of KZbin Aeronautical engineers begin their analysis..... I think she's beautiful.

[@electricaviationchannelvid7863]

I heard that due to the WWII Germany was forbidden by the USA to develop flying wing / flying body designs...meanwhile Boeing and Lockheed pushed out multiple military aircraft using this advantage....

[@peterson7082]

Not really

[@danielmolinar8669]

No. Even if so, it wouldn’t matter as the designs for future US flying wings was based on Jack Northrop’s designs.

[@powerhousepaperairplanesrogers]

Hello

[@csoehlig]

Ich will eins kaufen

[@hortenaircraftgmbh2019]

We hope to announce very attractive standard pricing very shortly. Visit our website www.horten-aircraft.com for further information.

[@csoehlig]

@@hortenaircraftgmbh2019 Klasse!

[@SusanTroglan]

That extreme seat placement to the rear will make ensure this never succeeds.

[@SouthernHerdsman]

Flying wings are much more agile than traditional 'boomers'.

[@rickbrown03]

Would be nice to see a 6-seater one day.

[@hortenaircraftgmbh2019]

We hope so too.

[@ericoschmitt]

Have you heard about Koen Van de Kerckhove’s project inspired on the Horten HXc? Prone pilot and all. Unfortunately unfinished, but looks absolutely amazing. You should have a chat with that man. Here’s the link: www.nestofdragons.net/weird-airplanes/flying-wings/special-horten-flying-wings/dragonwing/

[@paulomesquita7735]

Show...

[@mrgreyman3358]

without appearing to be a karen or anything, isn't that more in line with a blended wing body aircraft?

[@rcman4.2flyboy]

Beautiful flying wing aircraft but to much money for the real one but at least I have my own remote control flying wing

[@gotzvonberlichingen1042]

Clevere Idee die Seitenruder in den winglets zu verbauen. Ich hab mich jahrelang gefragt, warum noch niemand daran gedacht hat dieses Konzept weiter zu verfolgen.......

[@williammann9007]

The only airplane I truly want.

[@620ironwolf]

Love the aircraft. But y'all still haven't figured it out? Get help from us RC scratch builder guys lol.

[@johndalman6616]

Looks like downward visibility is terrible. Beautiful plane but it would not be much fun to fly and not see the sights.

[@hortenaircraftgmbh2019]

You can see this is not the case by looking at our other video which shows scenes from within the cockpit: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWO9Z4WGqqlrhpY

[@Raven3one]

dont stall in that

[@EamonnSeoigh]

I really believe in this design. I didn’t see any reference to V numbers. Interested in xcountry capability: cruise speeds and range with the rotax. Ich werde auf Updates und andere zukünftige Angebote achten. Gute Arbeit!

[@miraclepie1720]

How do you feel dudes - you just reinvented a hang glider.

[@powerhousepaperairplanesrogers]

Channel

[@henriksegercrantz362]

I can see you must have got inspired from this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqrJc6uEiqqSirc hahaa! But I have to admit I got my inspiration from the Horten nurflugel!