Hostile Irish & The Lost Norman Outpost

[@plainsimple442]

I have ancestors from all over Europe and Irish kings, by name, back to the year 495 AD. History is very interesting to me, and thank you for your contribution of knowledge. Regards Rick

[@primalireland-histcult]

Thanks Rick, appreciate your sentiments

[@debanam]

Very interesting video. Thanks!

[@primalireland-histcult]

Thanks for that and for taking the time to comment!

[@Alasdair37448]

The irony of being an Irish American is that if you show up to a event that was about Irish medieval history and your not born in Ireland your accused of being a "plastic paddy" even though you have the exact same heritage anything before 1906 is my heritage too I even speak more Irish than a lot of Irish people do an d I study Irish history but I'm a "plastic paddy" Dia ar sabhal ! Ní féidir leat cabhrú le amadán.

[@primalireland-histcult]

It is an awful term and I'm sorry my video spurred this in you.

[@Alasdair37448]

@@primalireland-histcult it’s not your fault but thank you for your kind words.

[@cormacmcquillan828]

​@@Alasdair37448Don't mind those gobshites. You have as much a claim to the heritage as those born in Ireland. My parents used to live in Boston, without the greater Irish community they would've struggled a lot.

[@jamesbyrne295]

Not at all you are considered Irish paddy, plastic paddy is an American without Irish ancestry claiming irishness. You are welcome home anytime

[@paddyabroad634]

Very interesting video.

[@primalireland-histcult]

Thanks very much!

[@gerardodwyer5908]

Interesting video and terminology. However, a Franco Norman of this period would not have identified as "English" or Anglishe. That was the descript the Northern France originating Normans gave the Germanic Angles, Saxons and Jutes. An "English" identity didn't really start to evolve until the 14th century when an Anglo-Franco identity began to develop from England's Franco Norman rulers and subjugated populations of Germanic and Norse dynasties. It's no coincidence that Gaelic Ireland identified the pre-Norman tribes of Anglesland (England) as Sasanach, Northern European Saxons. That said, Gaelic fortifications in the 12th century, and long before, were engineering marvels that adapted well to their surrounds and natural landscape. Defensive fortifications coupled with a tactical type of warfare that relied on guerrilla attacks to delay, frustrate and defeat an enemy by a thousand cuts. Gaelic Ireland's leaders were not unconnected from historic events unfolding in Europe. The same Gaelic chiefs traded with Europe. They travelled to holy sites, including Rome, and many were educated at "monasteries of faith and learning" across Europe. They knew that they could not defeat the heavy Norman horse and armoured infantry in open battle. And so they preferred to engage in woodlands, bog and hilly terrain using hit, run and re-engagement tactics against forces operating in tighter spaces and out of their confort zone. And Gaelic Ireland scored many successes against Norman invaders until the initial wave of Normans, realising the diverse governance structure of Gaelic Ireland made "full conquest" ambitions for the island largely futile, melted in to the Irish landscape, to become "more Irish than the Irish". Having a common religion certainly helped to gel the mergjng process between Norman and Gael.

[@primalireland-histcult]

Thanks for the input.

[@cormacmcquillan828]

To add to what I commented earlier, by the 12th century the provincial kings and local ruler's had established household troops (Lucht Tighe). Also, evidence in literature shows armour being adopted. These troops formed the backbone of any local force, and were undoubtedly the result of larger scale warfare. We also know, from the vision of Tungdale that were was a form of aristocratic heavy cavalry among the Gaelic Irish, but not quite the same Frankish type brought by the Norman's. In short, the Gaelic Irish of the period were not that much behind the rest of Europe when it came to military tactics or equipment. It was the tactical ingenuity of the Norman's, for example in baginbun where they drove cattle into the Hiberno-Norse shield wall. Or, in the siege of Dublin where they did a surprise strike against the High Kings camp that gave them the advantage. Also, the use of Welsh Longbows which were possible to replicate here due to the lack of suitable wood.

[@primalireland-histcult]

Thanks for the input 👍

[@waynemcauliffe-fv5yf]

I`d like to have a try with a war dart

[@primalireland-histcult]

Good man Wayne!

[@billybobwombat2231]

🍀🦘

[@cormacmcquillan828]

The claim Irish tactics didnt change with the Norman invasion is nonsense. Prior to the norman invasion, there were a sorta style of household troop that would fight in shield walls or other pitched battle styles. These, were made obsolete by the emergence of the Gallowglass who were much more effective against Anglo Irish. Also, by the late 16th century the traditional tactics had been totally replaced by pike and shot formations.