Hot Hatch Head2Head #3: Golf R vs M140i

In today's episode of Hot Hatch Head2Head, we put my VW Golf R up against the BMW M140i! This has, by far, been the most popularly requested episode so far, so I hope you enjoy!
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[@JustDriveFlatOut]

Mate I usually like your videos, but you just did a comparison of two cars and you barely show how they drive 😅 u did not talk about the massive difference of the two engines, the massive torque of the B58, no one really mentioned the different feeling of driving a RWD vs an AWD, the different gearboxes and so on. I would suggest you to focus more on how the cars drive instead of how many decibels they produce...

[@hampshirephoto]

That's a whole separate video altogether

[@SuperFredhd]

I agree, also the gearbox in the bmw isn’t a dsgbox..

[@TheIceMurder2]

Yeah, pretty terrible video considering.

[@TraderNJ]

Stick to brooms Harry - cars are a Muggle thing

[@dannegus2988]

Nas J , you crack me up 😆

[@JattOnTractorUK]

The days of Renault Clio vs Citroen Saxo have evolved massively 👍🏽💯🔥🤜🏽🤛🏽🛐😂

[@cc2162]

Saxo VTS and Clio 172 cup are still plenty of fun and were actually cheap though. These are mostly bought on finance to satisfy peoples egos.

[@bendude6748]

You can’t really compare these cars to Renault and Citroen lol thats more like the Corsa vs fiesta ST these days

[@scottfromengland2303]

"You got the DSG" - *ZF 8 SPEED* lol 😁👍🏻

[@alexg3856]

Who’s here when he’s got a m140i

[@siwemkize7747]

That was my first car🤫

[@aj3k840]

Unfortunately not me 😭

[@MrKp32]

After 3 years of hard saving I finally got mine 💙

[@Whiponized]

@@siwemkize7747 🧢

[@stevenrotherforth8332]

Once you get the M140i rolling it would be a different result. The Beemer should be a much quicker car for overtaking with 500nm of torque.

[@filipknezevic1642]

Yeah but Golf R beat him hahahahaha

[@15october91]

I'm a huge fan of the M140i.

[@hampshirephoto]

So am I!

[@scottcampbell10]

Wow the M140 sounds insane, just doesn't look aggressive enough I think

[@bmw_for_life8902]

The car revs higher on cold start for fast warm up and emissions also to heat up the cat because they don’t work good when cold

[@AnthonyWilliams-vh1ds]

This is why second hand Golf R’s are such a risk... They’ve been launched all over KZbin and Instagram... Such a shame.

[@filipknezevic1642]

Yeah, best is to not launch it ever and please always drive up to 3000 RPM at most!!! And no more than 80 kmh!!! Never! It will hurt the engine...

[@tackycomrade]

Instead of just checking the MPG on the trip computers you should’ve done a 20 odd mile mixed drive with them to make it more fair.

[@itsjoel]

Excellent video mate, my favourite of the series yet. I do like those M140is!

[@baileypate9460]

Good video apart from the fact you compared an Aftermarket exhaust to a Stock exhaust which doesn't make sense

[@Scala598]

the cold start feature is a combination of ignition timing/valve overlap/higher rpm/fuelling/Westgate control. It's done predominantly to warm up the cats quicker for reduced emissions. Iirc the b58 is direct injection only and the golf has both port injection and direct injection. The physics of additional port injection can help a lower rpm cold start.

[@ForensicDetailing]

Awesome video, really great watch. nice balance of good info and some fun testing them out...

[@hampshirephoto]

Thanks buddy!

[@sajforlife1993]

Don’t put the M140i down because of the MPG. It’s definitely more eco than the Golf R. On a good day, not putting your foot down, it’ll produce around 40mpg!

[@ThisIsMTH]

For the LCI 2, BMW engineered in a cold start effect on every start, even when the engine is warm. For LCI 1 it was just the first (genuinely) cold start.

[@MattWilliams482]

I'm glad they did because I have to admit, I don't tire of it

[@HanLi1984]

I will go with m140! Unfortunately not available in the US.. so I got the R. It’s definitely fun and great in raining days and track. However recently I took it to dealers for door water leaking. They spent 3 weeks to test the wrong door, fix a “coolant leaking” then break my turbo pipe caused my perfectly working turbo to leak. They claimed they fixed the turbo then when I drove it back it broke again. Another 1 week passed they finally fixed it and in total, after a month, I got my car back and now I will probably find another place to fix water leaking. BMW dealers were way better and I never had any issue with them..

[@robbeard6929]

MPG: Long term is from when it left the factory, Since re-fuelling is sell explanatory as you know. Since start is the wrong reading to use for the simple reason, the engine and gearbox is cold as is the back diff' and all the wheel bearing, also the engine bores are tight which add more friction to the piston rings. Also for example if I go to the shops, I back out the drive, go to the end of the road, stop, pull out and go up hill, travel 300 yards and stop, turn right and accelerate again, 500 yards, stop, pull out right and accelerate again, then stop at the shops. It takes around 3 minutes to get to the shops. Since start MPG is 9.7 MPG (Golf Clubsport 40) The shorter the distance travelled even at 20 mph on the flat the MPG only goes up to a round 12 MPG after a mile, I normally get a round 300 miles to the tank which means I could go to the shop 25 times. The Golf holds 11 gallons which would equate to a range of 106.7 miles per tank @ 9.7 MPG, that's Veyron thirsty and is incorrect. The MPG has to climb up to average itself right, hope you understand this. Using 'Since re-fuelling' is correct.

[@Tak-tr6hv]

Good video as per usual. Just a word of warning repetitive launch control can cause your DSG to wear quicker and apparently dealers may not cover this under warranty as they are able to see how many times you have launched the car via the cars ECU.

[@ClaudeOmari]

Yes very true, they do it in South Africa as well (warranty)

[@jamstersmith4625]

Most warranty doesn't cover wear and tear anyway especially a clutch even if you haven't launched it alot. I sure it's anything over 5000 miles you're on your own. I had this with my R manual slipping after only 18 k and I've never launched it but they wouldn't cover it and wanted 2000 pound to put the same one back in,no thanks Vw. And yes they can tell with the dsg how many times you launched it and what golf r hasn't been launched loads so very unlikely they'll ever cover a clutch.

[@Tak-tr6hv]

Jamster Smith My thinking behind why the clutches especially in the DSG are not covered is because they are near enough “bullet proof” that’s if the car is stock and the clutch hasn’t been used improperly. Was/is your Golf stock or not? Manual clutches slipping mostly common with tuned R’s and that definitely voids the warranty.

[@jamstersmith4625]

@@Tak-tr6hv my R is stock and I've come across alot of people with standard R'S and they start to slip some as little as 5 k. I think it's the same clutch as the gti and they still start to slip so an R with more power has no chance. Maybe I should of got dsg😁

[@johnjackson12]

@@jamstersmith4625 I would imagine they are the same clutch as the gti and mk7 r as they produce the same torque and it's that which stresses the clutch. Only thing I can think of is an agressive launch in a gti will slip the front wheels putting less stress on the clutch. Where the r grips causing the clutch to take extra punishment. Very intersting tho I'll be sure to steer clear of a manual lol

[@Master-tu4kd]

The other guy is a natural at presenting, you can just tell.

[@cbr600rr8]

Just sold my Mk7 Golf R for a 2019 M140i Shadow Edition.... both awesome cars but the superior interior refinement of the BM plus that engine and gearbox sold it for me.

[@user-xh3wr1do7k]

CBR 600 RR8 Each to their own I guess. The R isn’t a shabby place to be and the BMW’s engine sounds nice but the gearbox and rear wheel drive does nothing for me. I was being held up by a 140 one night because it was wet and he just couldn’t put the power down - pointless really.

[@aminawad5216]

I owned a M140i for two years and now own a Golf R and I would say that the M140i is a lot better than the Golf R. It is faster in all conditions especially when overtaking, when you need it. My fuel consumption was only slightly better in the Golf R. The virtual cockpit is a lot nicer in the Golf R but overall the M140i is a much better car and I wish i bought another and not a Golf R. If only I could turn back time

[@MartinThalmann]

that's why I bought the 2017 xdrive. constantly delivers between 4.2 and 4.4

[@nosutv2893]

but not in uk ?

[@colinmason92]

If you love racing from the traffic lights in the damp then go for the R, if you love real driving with RWD fun, massive performance and a much better interior go for the M140i.

[@muaythai193]

Or get the xdrive 140

[@mbp1505]

I wondered what had happened to Lee Evans. Top bloke Reg

[@roadreg1820]

MBP 1 Lee Evans? 😂 Thanks tho 🤪

[@scott1brayden2]

😂😂😂

[@michaelryan5911]

Mate, you need to put the traction completely off! Will bog down if you put the traction in sport cause it’s trying to stop the wheels spinning. Would get better times then!

[@RAM1xoxo]

Enjoyed the video, but how is the loudest exhaust a winning feature? Best sounding yes..but the louder the better?

[@ItzD3fW1sH]

Tell that to all the people who straight pipe that crappy golf 4 pot and think it sounds good.

[@roadreg1820]

It’s the tone of the Remus that I like, not the volume.

[@blower1]

Keep up the great work! - this channel is on the up, and i'm really liking the content.

[@hampshirephoto]

Thanks blower!!

[@twiggy27111976]

I have an M140i, so I’m biased, however, when looking for a car for my wife we test drove the Golf R along with the Audi S3 and the Golf was just bland. Yes, it maybe faster off the mark in a wet drag race but compared to the BMW, it’s just a family hot hatch.

[@Nightfly1957]

Excuse me, i have forgotten something:Both vehicles are very good. But the m140i is the last one to install the 6-cylinder 3L engine. And the last 1 Series with rear-wheel drive. Of course, the engine is far from being irritated. Furthermore, if you set the cruise control to 130 km / h in ECO-Pro mode, the fuel economy is 100 km / 6.8l Super. The new 4-cylinder m135i is a riot maker. And he has front-wheel drive. Personally, I will continue to use the m140i. As an aside, a friend working on the ADAC's power testbed told me that they had no m140i / 240i under 360 horsepower there. Mine came to 365 hp and he had one with 375 hp. The statement of BMW with 340 hp is not quite correct. In Germany +/- 10% are allowed. 10% corresponds to 34 hp. Thus, it is clear that up to 374 hp without a problem can be achieved. It was done to maintain the distance to the first M 2, which had 370 hp. This is now uninteresting because the M2 Competiton has 410 hp. If you have a big family, you are better off with the golf, because there is more space in the back. However, it is possible to drive with 3 people in the m140i. For this, the passenger must adjust his seat forward and the third person has enough space in the back. In conjunction with the cumulative transmission, the m140i is a car that can do both. Lane routes with lots of power, but also city traffic is feasible. Will drive mine as long as possible, because he remains stable in value.

[@MTECHTipss]

You friend on this video would be a great co host

[@jamessmith84240]

I just got a lightly modded M135i with low miles. I could have gone for a Golf R, I know they are faster to 60 but I just liked the BMW more.

[@jasonelliott8101]

Stage 2 golf R is the best car you can gets handling and speed

[@richlee509]

Boring cars fast but boring

[@johnjackson12]

Yeah great video and an interesting comparison. I would have the m140i but only with x drive which you can't get in the uk which is really annoying. Rwd is the "drivers car" setup but with 340 bhp I really don't want all that going to the rear especially without a lsd! Golf r I would buy with my own money out of these 2

[@hampshirephoto]

Thanks John

[@johnjackson12]

@@hampshirephoto I much prefer the timing of the 0-60 this way. It's a good idea and you shaved half a second off your time first time on a damp road 😁

[@JR3xMoD]

Both fantastic cars, I'm looking to pick up a mk7 Golf R in the next few weeks. I'm not so sure about the validity of the viewers choice round though as I'm guessing a lot of your subscribers/followers will be following for your Golf R content, perhaps swaying the vote? Good comparison nonetheless 👍

[@tredfxman]

Get the IPE Full System for the Golf R & its Game Over !!! Sound Check --- >>> kzbin.info/www/bejne/pXm4fWaqgMqNjac 😎 👍

[@erikwahr8454]

i got one with the DSG a few weeks back and its an amazing car, no regrets whatsoever

[@M4rt_FX]

Any dry weather drag on KZbin, M140i walks away from the Golf R, destroys it in a rolling race.

[@Jay_CZ4A]

I love that sound that the bmw make and the VW make even the Hyundai Elantra N makes that sound.

[@briankielberg2782]

Regarding oil temp. Get an OBD reader (Bluetooth) like CARLY or similar and the app for your phone. Then you can see and do all kind of stuff. Logging info/ coding/ service and fault resets

[@kylecherrie3815]

From him being a m140 owner I’m surprised he wouldn’t know that the shadow edition means he also has rear tinted lights, windows and also the LED backlight display

[@kresimirgrbavac4609]

Would of been more fair to compare a Golf R 7.5 with factory Akrapovic. This review is like comparing oranges to mandarins.

[@tredfxman]

Get the IPE Full System for the Golf R & its Game Over !!! Sound Check --- >>> kzbin.info/www/bejne/pXm4fWaqgMqNjac 😎 👍

[@murdermage10]

3DFX nah bmw way nicer no rice pops

[@celestialbeing290]

3DFX sounds crap , listen to a BMW is better

[@ryanbell4952]

This is a golf 7.5.

[@peterbennpan7288]

What kind of fuel economy do you get from a 140i and what about your Golf r

[@johnmansfield3317]

Love your videos. I'm in the market for a Golf R and GTI and all your vids are very helpful. Professional quality. One gripe with these head to heads though. Why not make the comparisons a bit more rounded? The Golf R is popular because you can put it in comfort mode and use it as a daily driver then shove it in Race mode at weekends and have some fun. How about comparing the other side of both cars so we get a better idea of the overall capabilities of each car? For example, in comfort mode, what is the ambient noise level in the cabin? Which one is the quietest? Which car is the most comfortable over pot holes?

[@tredfxman]

Check the 2017 Golf GTI Clubsport MK7 on my Channel mate & subscribe! It's equipped witch DCC (Dynamic Chassis Control) For Comfort, which you should have as well. Puts car in comfort with the press of a button! (i use it every single time i Drive...) Check my channel on the GTI Clubsport! 👍

[@michaeljohn1019]

I was in the same boat as you and went for the GTI performance (DSG). For me 245 PS is more than enough power for everday use. Its a great daily driver, practical enough for my family of 3, and there's plenty of power when you put your foot down. My only minor annoyance is it can sometimes struggle to put the power down if you try to 'launch' it from a standstill. Nonetheless, it still puts a massive smile on my face whenever I drive it :)

[@locky1227]

“ l think they are quite similar cars” 👀👀 oh yes they both have 4 wheels - they couldn’t be any more different 😂😂

[@dangerm3496]

M140i straight 6 turbo rear drive. Pretty iconic platform. Mod potential of golf is awesome but way to expensive. M140i FTW.

[@wolvoman1]

Driving around and doing launches with a nearly full tank is going to upset the times

[@kitt28]

i thought i was watching Fast and Furious at the beginning, Does anyone know where i can buy a 1:18 scale of the BMW M140i?

[@limeskull1964]

Probably nobody will care but here is my two pence. After months of research I settled on buying one of these two cars, I was fortunate enough to have each one in auto for a 3 day test drive, here were my conclusions: BMW - was faster when rolling, great engine and more fun to drive when pushing the limits, was let down by the tech and the interior felt cheaper, not much standard equipment and options expensive. Golf - still fast and fun, could get all the power down in the wet and from a standing start at the lights, more comfortable, android auto. Which did I go for? The Cupra ST 4Drive, here's why; the BMW was the sportier car and a 3L engine in a 1 series will make this car go down in history, for my everyday driving which includes lots of traffic, bumpy roads, stopping at lights etc the Golf was the better place to be, I also preferred the larger space and practicality. The Cupra 4Drive showed even better value, fully spec'ed with leather electric/heated seats, adaptive cruise, sunroof, 19" alloys, adaptive suspension, KESSY, auto dimming lights, Android Auto, upgraded sound system it was £29k interest free finance deal with SEAT. The golf spec'ed the same was £5.5k more plus finance costs, the BMW also £5k once the options were selected and not as practical for me day to day. Almost 2 years later I don't regret the decision, with either car you'll be pleased as hell, just that when you are looking to buy with your own money and own the car outright the £6k saving on the Cupra mattered. I do want to drive that BMW again though...

[@MxHawthy]

Really love this series Luke. Also, does Reg have a KZbin channel? He’s really good in front of the camera. Seems very comfortable and charismatic, funny too. Would definitely subscribe but I can’t seem to find him? He must be on KZbin though, because no one is THAT good on camera if they don’t do KZbin.

[@roadreg1820]

MxHawthy I don’t have a channel, I’m too busy cropping up on other people’s channels! I am considering it though.. I appreciate your kind words!!

[@hampshirephoto]

Thanks buddy!

[@celestialbeing290]

M140i any day , RWD

[@CM.243]

When you get a little older, all this RWD vs AWD is just nonsense. I've had AWD for a year now, after having come from RWD for the past 26 years. Too many youngsters thinking that the road is some sort of race track where you drift around corners. But maybe you have some good reason for thinking RWD is better, other than following the crowd??

[@CM.243]

Celestial - what you think of the new F90 M5? That's AWD.

[@davissilvestrs1996]

@@CM.243 F90 M5 is RWD bias AWD with RWD optional. Not comparable to the Golfs AWD which feels like FWD on corners and is FWD 90% of the time.

[@CM.243]

@@davissilvestrs1996 That is true, but how many are going to use RWD rather than AWD on the roads? And really, understeer vs oversteer only really is an issue on the roads when you are driving too fast/badly. I would say, that I do hate torque steer with a passion, so would be careful with FWD. Otherwise I don't really care whether a car is AWD (either FWD or RWD biased) or RWD. The more traction the better IMO, as that way I have more chance getting home to see the family.

[@damienaustin4105]

RWD = lost accelaration compared to AWD, My facelift Audi S3 is embarrassing new shape M3's all day long especially around town, 35k car easily out accelerating and better handling around corners then 70k Bmw, Says a lot for Bmw's

[@dino_mk7537]

Another sich video... damn boi, ur steping up the game

[@hampshirephoto]

Thanks so much!

[@th3b0untyhunter]

What's the issue with the exhausts poking out that you mentioned ? It looks great and lets be honest they're pushing past the back of the balance by what 1.5" max

[@germanengineering204]

I think after test driving each a person is thinking I have to try and make this fit my budget! Definitely the BMW is the better all around car but it's a bit more pricey no doubt!

[@e63s82]

song at 7:32? i bought epidemic but i cant find it please let me know this song is so good

[@689CJ]

I have had both and loved them, but M140i every time for me, almost takes it for me on sound alone as the golf sounds like a medium powered 1.5 litre. But also think the m140i is noticeably quicker when on the move and trying to overtake someone. Would be interesting to compare 40mph to 100mph or if on the public road 30 to 70.

[@Nik07z]

Have you drove in winter conditions, how was it if so?

[@ThePedalDance]

Cold start has higher revs to heat up the cats quicker. It's an emissions thing.

[@ItzD3fW1sH]

M140i is alot quicker than the golf, better engine and gearbox. Rwd and hatch back. Plus it's cheaper. An absolute no brainer especially with that inline 6 sound track.

[@tredfxman]

And ugly as a vacuum cleaner. Ugliest BMW made! 👍

[@ItzD3fW1sH]

@@tredfxman on the flip side I would say the golf is very bland to look at and even more so to drive. I guess it's all down to personal preference. The shadow edition looks great and to be honest I don't think the beemer owners will care if you think it's ugly because you'll be in their rear view mirror every time 🤷‍♂️

[@celestialbeing290]

3DFX not really just personal preference I think it looks good after facelift

[@celestialbeing290]

I would sell the golf R and buy a BMW m140i and stick to BMW. Merc is just a badge and interior cheap while Audi is just a posher version of VW

[@ItzD3fW1sH]

@Ryan James you forget that bmw offer huge financial contributions so yes it will be cheaper.

[@nembeza_shezi7059]

Viewers choice is not fair at all, i think it should not be included at all from the challenges and also the 0-60 needs a v-box

[@faisalharoon9167]

The lease on my 7.5R comes to an end in November 2019 and I will be getting a shadow edition M140i...cannot wait! The Golf is the perfect all-rounder but that’s it really, it’s a no fuss car and now I want something a little more grown up and work my way up to a V6 and then to the monster realm of V8s etc.

[@t3chn0m0]

You can get the M140i with Xdrive, so it would be much faster. Nonetheless, it just comes down to taste and that's amazing. You have such a variety of good hot hatches, it's mega. Type-R, Megane RS, Golf R, Leon Cupra, M140i, Golf TCR, 308 GTI, S3, i30N, A35 AMG, Focus RS, Astra OPC. I would almost consider the M140i a bit above the others in terms of performance. The M140i is actually very close to an RS3, or A45 AMG. The other cars all have a 2.0T 4-Cylinder with 275-310HP. You could also say that the Focus RS is out of this league, but in real life performance the Focus RS is closer to an Golf R then a RS3. So there is something for everyone and that's what I love. I'm currently driving a 2018 Cupra ST 300 with Manual Gearbox and I'm really looking forward to the A35 AMG, even if it's so expesive, it has something special that I really like, but lets see in the future.

[@supercarshunter2450]

t3chn0m0 mine is xdrive 4.2 0-100kpg

[@kdot9343]

Could you do a head to head with the golf and cupra 300 by any chance?

[@NickF14]

K dot93 Cupra 300 or 290 would be great!

[@prickowens9341]

Same car different badhe

[@kevinrotge4774]

You should see if you could do a MK7 golf R vs yours MK7.5 I know most will probably say no to it but I think it would be interesting. to compare the MPG and the 0to 60 times of the two snice one has 1 more gear then the other does with the DSG I would say my golf R but I live in the states and I have guess that you live across the sea.

[@hampshirephoto]

Good idea, thanks :)

[@25143094rea]

Get the two cars back on a hot sunny day for the 0-60 sprint!

[@haydensmith888]

If the Golf R had a 6 pot it would be dreamy

[@jaysmartin]

Should have had a VR6T option

[@greggsmith5391]

Do you still do hot hatch head to head

[@jamesowen4360]

I love golfs. But beemer for me. Properly engineered rear wheel drive straight 6 turbo....boom

[@MrMaxime45100]

if you compare 0-60, why not comparing 0-120...

[@LeFatalpotato]

All the wins of beemer is actually a lose for a person who lives in a city, so it's a decisive victory for golf r imho, just as expected

[@gieltimmermans]

7:37 okay that was a bit misleading because on the picture the VW was at the right but the Logo was on the left

[@marvinpayne617]

On the sound test you should have put it in launch mode sounds beastly

[@fwsupercars7757]

My 05 corsa will give both these a challenge 😈 🚗💨

[@TheMrrigma]

Amazing on the votes, a VW channel got more for the VW lol. Think it needs a rerun in the summer with a proper test on the MPG which will reveal a more real world number.

[@hampshirephoto]

Thanks Rob!

[@lhgof7002]

I’ve got a Leon Cupra your welcome to do something similar with!! I was torn between the golf r and the Cupra in reality I should have bought a m140i 😂

[@Omegaman1969]

Why would you look at short term MPG? You want the longest possible distance to measure that .

[@gix3631]

Im watching to get one cant decide tho 2017 rs3 stage 1 miltek or a a45amg or m140/m2

[@apocnl]

This was what I was waiting for. Great vid. Not the best 0-60 time for an auto rwd m140. I have the adventage with the sprint with a xdrive version of the car. It is always (even with some mistakes of mine) under 5 seconds and with dry weather 4.0 to 4.4 is always possible.

[@johnscott5186]

u think remus best exhaust to get ?

[@grahamdellow5156]

Great Video Cobber , I agree about the performance Modifications my Golf R Wagon Wolfe is Great as it is probably about the same Age as yours .i am really enjoying your videos Cheers from South Australia 👍👍🇦🇺🇦🇺👍👍

[@hampshirephoto]

Thanks so much Graham!

[@atyl1972]

hey guys, can you please send the link to that exact exhaust system for the M140i?

[@greengrass9572]

Wow, I didn't think the mpg was that bad. And I was complaining about my giulietta multiair (170) averaging 40 mpg.

[@Stallzyx]

Can't remember if I watched this before but now I recognise Reg from the Forensic Detailing Channel :D

[@93sal]

I was expecting a practicality test as well. Plus it would’ve won you another point.

[@cheesesteakjimmy2076]

What paddles do you have on the golf r and how much where they?

[@Arman-nl6mg]

about £30 from eBay m8

[@Larry3200]

That guy with the m140 is great on camera - he should make a videos.

[@KrisPlays874]

"most requested video ever" 3 episodes in ....

[@prouse400]

bellend

[@Charlie-rw2cs]

Hello, Why don't you do the MPG reading at the start of the video?? So then it will be at its best.

[@markrhoden68]

And this is the problem with the m140i, it's fantastic in a straight line in dry warm conditions and why BMW had to change things

[@JamesSiggins]

A noisy exhaust is not a win in my opinion, just pisses people off. Most extremely poweful cars from factory are quiet. You dont need all that noise. But everyone has their own opinions and choices.

[@sinaniii]

M140i revs higher at idle because its a 3 liter, 6cyl engine. Golf R has a 2 liter, 4cyl engine.

[@leacher1997]

Mate you need to do rolling race from 3rd and a brake rest as well!!

[@beechface1]

Lads half my age in cars I can only dream of. Good on ya.

[@THEG12EG]

I own a golf r.. Golf r is a better daily.. as a wkd car is poo... I wish I bought a m240i

[@brunoeilhart8516]

But are they the same price?

[@arjelkaca6301]

Depends on the options this car are German cars and options cost a lot other wise these cars are pretty much costs the same

[@Tebza563]

Start doing drag races

[@philiprodney7884]

Diamond geezer, Reg.

[@JamieWright-gt8nm]

Only just stumbled across this as recently purchased a golf r, serious question is the bmw owner related to lee Evans.

[@supercarshunter2450]

You got to be kidding me mate! What kind of a fuel economy test is that?!? What if he drove like a hooligan to come to you? I get 34mpg in my M140i xdrive ZF8-Speed, in comfort and sport and no autobahn of course.

[@and9y1]

You my friend donot get 34mpg in that car 😂😂

[@supercarshunter2450]

Andrew Love dude I’m not lying! 8.2l/100km is about 34mpg isn’t it? I have to say the roads here in Switzerland are pretty good for sailing but still no autobahn.

[@JacK-yr8ri]

I did 40 mpg on a trip to scotland from the south east

[@carl9184]

I have 240i auto and averaged out 36.5 mpg over my 18k miles. That mainly motorway driving I will add where you can easily achieve 80mph at 2000 revs. Around town maybe a different story thou.

[@supercarshunter2450]

Jack Naylor there you go and this other dud tells me ,,you my friend don’t get 34mpg’’ wtf. wow, that’s sick mate. 40mpg is 7.1L. How did you do that? in eco pro?

[@lbnewell23]

I would go for the bmw for the sound of that wonderful straight 6 sound and the rwd push. Also the 140i pushes you back in your seat a lot if you do a rolling start coz the traction issues aren’t as prominent. Also the bmw has been red lining with wheel spin and the vw hasn’t so the mpg test was kinda BS

[@Rookiereece]

Traction issues aren't as prominent... The Golf R is AWD

[@lbnewell23]

@@Rookiereece you clearly don’t understand what I said. The BMWs traction issues aren’t as prominent when it’s accelerating from a role than from stand still. Either way there is an Xdrive m140i

[@Rookiereece]

@@lbnewell23 not in the uk there isnt...

[@lbnewell23]

@@Rookiereece again literlly has no relevance because you’re arguing something I never disputed. The bmw has traction issues and the VW doesn’t. I’m not an idiot. I have said twice already now the bmw has less prominent traction issues when it’s accelerating from a roll than from stand still. At what point am I disputing the golf r having awd read before you comment something stupid

[@charlieschannel9101]

m140 cause im a man who loves me some RWD!

[@js64984]

BMW is a far better car to drive! and way faster than the golf from 40mph onwards even stock! But mine is tuned to 472hp and there is just no contest now

[@NewhollandAgrivids]

Need to reset both average MPG at start so is fair!