Shaq & Charles Barkley Heated Argument Over Chris Paul MVP Case - Inside the NBA | March 11, 2021

[@TheTwinkiefoot]

Chuck has a great point: how do you take a perennially losing team, turn them into the 2nd seed in the West and not get MVP consideration? And the Nash point was solid

[@VitaminKey5000]

💯💯💯💯

[@Proteanlife]

Correct

[@percelbrown7563]

🎯🎯

[@thatheat1914]

Found a new word lol

[@hr110391]

I said the same thing

[@bennypratsch8924]

I swear Chuck often makes the most sense out of all the Inside guys, they really just hating on him a lotta times

[@averyj8924]

Shaq always brings up rings. How many rings did he win with HOF players🤔. Hakeem won 1 without and his second with Drexler. Plus he didn't have to go against Jordan. Plus it helps when the league and refs help you beat Sacramento.

[@ehi_ij]

@@averyj8924 Lol exactly imagine if Charles Barkley had kobe or D Wade, and didn’t have to go against Michael Jordan in the finals

[@hmrhuang]

That's because Chuck doesn't care whether the players agree with him or not. He just speaks his opinion and leaves it at that

[@bennypratsch8924]

@Micah Izzard People tend to make arguments in a way that benefits their narrative, the year Westbrook won the MVP the argument agains him was actually the team's record. The argument for Harden was that he basically had almost the same numbers as Russ but his team had a better record and that he scored more efficiently because of his 3ball, so really CP3 at that point of the season definitely deserved to be in the MVP conversation while now Jokic has pulled too far ahead for anyone to get him anymore at least in my opinion

[@LilRondo4CH]

💯💯

[@KDestin_]

Chuck: makes a valid point Shaq: you don’t have no rings

[@koleon06]

Get some new material

[@obarbeito]

Shaq is salty because he never won the refular season MVP...

[@rce6411]

@@obarbeito wth? He did tho

[@obarbeito]

@@rce6411 sorry, forgot about the 2000 season🤣, still salty because of Nash 😂😂😂

[@koleon06]

@@obarbeito he won in 2000... research before you comment next time.. go to the golf page 😂

[@DarkHorseMalik]

MVP is about: 1: Individual statistics 2: Team record 3: Story & or narrative

[@prophet2527]

Cant forget 3 dassa big part

[@kaiequigley7136]

pure facts can’t put it any better

[@WHITEPERSUAS1ON]

Narrative above everything. It’s all bs

[@luddman77]

story and narrative is overrated in most cases!!!

[@duncandye1862]

And having a long confusing last name

[@kravethedream]

Charles is always right when he's serious, I'm just surprised Shaq didn't cut him off saying he don't know what he's talking about cause he has no rings

[@parrogakaparadise9477]

Fr

[@IgnorancEnArrogance]

Shaq says that crap every time, he just doesn't mention the rings every time.

[@mikekendrick4586]

Charlie has never been right

[@dannyjohnson8250]

Right!! Thanks to Kobe, and D-Wade!! Shaq wouldn't have them rings without them to! Lol

[@raidergainzx5290]

Cause chuck was an mvp in the jordan era

[@aphremdanha5158]

Everyone: No, cp3 isn't mvp Chuck: he is putting up better numbers than nash! Everyone: ......................

[@d.desire2149]

Phoenix was in first place tho overall during those times

[@keandregreen5628]

Nash shouldn’t have won mvp either

[@d.desire2149]

@@keandregreen5628 I agree too but it has been the best player with best record for a while...Nash got it in part too bc no one was doing what that team was doing and he was the engine to that

[@holdthetruthhostage]

@@keandregreen5628 they just couldn't live with the fact that bird was the last white MVP

[@gobot581]

@@holdthetruthhostage Nash was definetly got a white hope vote but But Dirk was the truth and Luka is a beast.

[@christophermonk3495]

Chuck spittin facts Shaq just likes to hear himself sometimes

[@AhabaYHU]

MVP averaging 16 and 8 lmao. Yeah, ok buddy. James Harden is the mvp Chris Paul is averaging Lamelo and Lonzo Ball numbers on a winning team. Let that marinate... Lonzo, Melo and Chris Paul. HAHAHAHAHAHAH STOP IT

[@tylerriley5976]

@@AhabaYHU the team was also a meme before he got there, now they have a chance to make the playoffs and be relevant for once.

[@arodtheman474]

@@AhabaYHU Bro In my opinion it’s between LeBron, Embiid, Giannas, and Curry if he can carry his team to the playoffs

[@jmoney4220]

@@AhabaYHU nash won mvp averaging 15 and 11.. why can Cp3 be considered with 16 and 9?

[@mrblackman1992_]

@@AhabaYHU it’s not all about the point Chris Paul help changing the culture in Phoenix

[@bryceboy3]

Chuck “I just thought about that on my feet.” He was so proud of himself.

[@peskypesky]

It was a great point. And for a second, it stunned Shaq into some sense...but that quickly faded.

[@alexanderbruce8950]

Chuck acknowledging there is probably better examples for his argument

[@fultoncountybaby4pf268]

He was🤣... But I’m going to use that myself😭👀.

[@THEGOAT-uv3ry]

No he was saying he came up wit it on the spot but if he really had time to think about it it would be more examples

[@Southtxboi11]

Lol like he wanted a award for finally getting something right like when your in class and they call on you🤣

[@MizzzyMike]

They really know that we’ll watch anything that says “Shaq+Charles+Heated”

[@therandomraving7490]

KZbin recommendations knows me so well..

[@ricardosd12]

Shaq and Chuck drink heated milk. I be watchin..

[@cyberslumz]

Lol

[@robertdeshane4187]

Facts lol

[@bignbafan20]

Racist

[@TheReaI0ne]

The problem with MVP is that there is no clear cut definition of what it actually means, you ask 100 people you'll get 50 different answers

[@lmangayaay]

Jose C. most of that stupid MVP race is fan voting! NBA should ask those previous top 100 NBA players whose the best and not those stupid fans who only vote for his/her favorite.

[@huymai1489]

And that ladies and gentlemen demonstrates the inconsistencies of voting for the MVP

[@majormarketing6552]

Wilt not winning it when he averaged 50 and 25 should have ended its legitimacy

[@rgh5069]

That's why these awards hold no weight with me...

[@livefromthemotherland]

@@rgh5069 especially today with the amount of brand money in supporting a certain players chances to win. The media is rarely objective. This is one of the few shows that are

[@zackrodriguez7519]

@@majormarketing6552 and that same season Oscar Robertson averaged a TRIPLE DOUBLE and STILL didn’t win mvp. You want to know who they gave it to? Bill Russell, because his team won 60 games.

[@drestathagangsta8880]

League politics and media narrative play as much a part in the voting which is why the criteria is never the same from year to year. I remember in 2002 when Jason Kidd was considered the favorite for MVP after he turned around the Nets. But since Kidd was still fresh off his domestic violence arrest they gave it to Tim Duncan.

[@bigsmokeysmoke]

This is probably the smartest think Chuck has said lmao

[@ericwoodard1223]

"Think" I think you should take notes.

[@alxgalvn]

The irony of this comment

[@actualfactual1882]

I agree he had some valid points....and he was right! Shaq just want a big man to win it,, Embiid and jokic is balling tho I wouldn't be mad if Embiid got it,, Jokic ehh

[@disrike2909]

Chuck says smart things, he just makes the dumbest mistakes.

[@AqwDragulum]

You probably just watched this show recently.

[@theworldsgreatestweaponcra1007]

Chuck’s point about MJ is actually really good and one I never thought of

[@Howdidhenotseeme]

Jordan wasnt the best player “3 years before he was an mvp” or whatever. His first mvp was 1987-88. He wasn’t the best player in 1984-85 which is his literally his rookie year

[@Chiefffff]

@@Howdidhenotseeme who was the best player, Larry bird?

[@jcgang6844]

You haven’t heard that yet? We’ve been talking about every year when somebody wins it and we know there not the best same thing for Lebron and like chuck said shaq and kob it’s called voters fatigue

[@stephordless8876]

@@Howdidhenotseeme MJ was the best player in the 3rd year before his 4th. Mans literally was averaging an efficient 37ppg. And playing lock down defense.

[@o751106]

Jordan was the best player from day one.

[@donovanlight6278]

Kenny acting like Steve Nash never existed, winning back to back MVPs by elevating everyone around him, and not just relying on insane scoring abilities, even though he had them

[@mdlatham7]

Exactly. Those Suns teams were trash without him. He made everyone around him look better than they were.

[@kelancameron1625]

That was 2 decades ago lmaoo

[@YakDPOY]

@@kelancameron1625 yes?

[@kelancameron1625]

@@YakDPOY Irrelevant. Things change. The only thing that is constant is change. Too many guys in today's nba are better than Nash (and CP3)

[@YakDPOY]

@@kelancameron1625 that has what to do with this topic lol. Also not a true statement at all

[@Anarchyontheweb]

Ernie only one on that table smart enough to understand what Chuck was saying.

[@jasperdullano3434]

I used to be advocate for the BLM movement, but the facts support the police. Breonna Taylor’s previous boyfriend Jamarcus Glover is a criminal dealer who used her home address for deliveries. She was in business with Jamarcus Glover and other criminals, so there was a no knock warrant for her address (they linked Breonna to known criminals and spotted her vehicle near a suspected drug house). The police officers KNOCKED and announced themselves despite it being a no knock warrant (there’s a witness). The police officers go into the home after not hearing back and are immediately shot at by her new boyfriend Kenneth Walker. Walker shot one of the officers in the leg. The officers were forced to fire back. Unfortunately and tragically Breonna Taylor got caught in the crossfire. She was not shot in her bed execution style, but was standing in the hallway. Walker knew that his gf was standing in the hallway unarmed and defenseless, but fired anyways. The officer that was indicted was for recklessly shooting a different neighbor’s home during the altercation

[@forestforest1859]

Good thing charles doesn't have a basketball

[@forestforest1859]

Good thing charles doesn't have a basketball

[@eduardosegovia7784]

Reason why they are not talking about Bradley Beal he has amazing stats yet because his team sucks he is not on the MVP convo Charles is right

[@user-yh3cy8tj1d]

Exactly. Those are empty stats in a way. Chris Paul took the young OKC team last year in a rebuild season and got them to the playoffs

[@slicktalk98]

@@user-yh3cy8tj1d so why wasn’t CP3 in the convo for MVP last season? Since he pretty much averaging the same numbers this season from last.

[@akashi7120]

@@slicktalk98 because the voters care about points and not impact

[@faisalsalam4161]

@@slicktalk98 because his team is doing much better this year than last year. His team is sitting at 2nd and his previous team (OKC) was only at 5th. Obviously he is impacting winning and his stats are good too.

[@christophergraves3113]

@@slicktalk98 he did get votes last year

[@FireAngelChris]

Cp3 should get consideration as far as votes goes obviously he not the leading candidate but he has been insanely valuable. I think Chuck and Shaq are both correct here.

[@topshotta2000]

Right consideration that is fair

[@adamh4h4]

Think its a balance of both Chuck and Shaq's points like how good a player is THIS season over the whole league AND how much they have impacted their team overall.

[@liamskidmore5926]

Bro if cp3 has a chance Bradley Beal has a chance if we make the playoffs

[@tdotsweetheart]

All I am saying is Steve Nash won back-to-back MVP's playing with amare , Shawn Marion and Joe. That team was super stacked , Steve Nash plays no defence but won back-to-back MVP's. If Chris Paul was white they would be going crazy about how he came to this team turned to round it was all him he deserves MVP

[@justinlosada7047]

@@tdotsweetheart lol 85%of the nba is black, stop trying to play a race card. There was literally 2 white all stars..... He won’t win MVP because simply, there are better players than him who are more valuable, and those players are also black lol

[@carlsong6438]

Shaq really didnt actually understand what "valuable to his team" meant lolol

[@angelbedolla24]

Shows how he approached the game lol I was yelling “then why didn’t Kobe win MVP in 06 when he was putting 35-36ppg?” I look at MVP as the most valuable to the TEAM.

[@watermaster4913]

@@angelbedolla24 I mean that’s a slippery slope cuz if you’re the best player in the league hands down then your are also more valuable to your team then anyone else . Based on the simple fact that no one would be able to fill ur possession on that team because you are the best player in the league.

[@angelbedolla24]

@@watermaster4913 for sure and that’s what I’m saying. Shaqs definition is different for others. If he’s preaching the case he’s making, Kobe should be back to back mvp instead of Nash

[@kalijasin]

@@angelbedolla24 and Lebron should of won MVP not Giannis? 🙄

[@angelbedolla24]

@@kalijasin idc about bron like that even tho I’m a die hard laker fan. I’m js

[@SRV4Life1]

Ooooo you know Shaq got triggered when they brought up Stevie lol: “THATS A GOOD QUESTION”

[@lian7502]

Yeah I bet Shaq even questioned himself after that but had too much pride to admit he agreed with Chuck

[@DkKnows97]

Shaq changed his whole argument when Charles brought up Steve Nash 😂😂😂

[@ghostballs1874]

Shaq is stupid. Assets is a critical part of the game and you can’t get that stat alone

[@Dr.Elaine1]

Exactly. Shaq believes Nash stole his MVP!

[@kalijasin]

@@Dr.Elaine1 No different than their belief Giannis Antetokounmpo stole Lebron Jame’s MVP. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@DarthBalsamic]

I actually agree with Barkley here. He's just not making his argument eloquently. Even if you don't think the MVP is Paul, the standard he's pressing I believe is correct.

[@microfoneman]

The problem is there is a lack of clarity or definition of what the mvp is. Is it "the best player" according to stats, or is it "the best player on the best team". The mvp will always be an ethereal concept. It will always cause ructions

[@marvindubon2503]

MVP is the player on a team making the most impact of them winning games. Also that player needs to be either the best on the team or second

[@arthursutton2492]

He was only saying Derrick Rose didn't put up big numbers his MVP season LeBron had better numbers that year but Derrick Rose had the better team so he won the MVP

[@goat9527]

Rose still dominated and nobody liked Lebron in 2011 after he made that superteam

[@itsnoahgf-_-6757]

Had a better team wtf are you stupid he had chris bosh dwyne wade Derick had his 2nd best for half a year and you act like Derrick averaged 20 n 5 and won

[@sanantoballa4834]

@@itsnoahgf-_-6757 He means better team record

[@billiondollarbull]

The Bulls were still the first seed the next year, with D Rose only playing half of the games. That should tell you allot about D Rose's MVP season. People say MVP should go to the best player on the best team, but just because you have a best record, doesn't mean you have the best team. 75% of the NBA is trash, and just because the Bulls were better at winning against mediocre teams than the Heat, doesn't make them the better team.

[@cooliehimarley7]

@@billiondollarbull then got bounced in the first round when rose got hurt so yea it says alot about his mvp season

[@EZJustScrap]

A perfect example for Charles’ arguments is Jason Kidd’s first year with the Nets. The Nets were a last place team before his arrival. With him they were the #1 seed in the East.

[@bobmoz]

Lebron doesn’t deserve consideration for mvp look at his record once AD went out.

[@alexescutia4805]

As a bron fan I agree he needs to go on a tear to get it baxk

[@raidergainzx5290]

Agree

[@kareemwillis2033]

Very good point

[@PedroRosado22]

The issue with LeBron MVP case is that his stats are not better than last season and the absence of AD is glaring.

[@tylercampbell6272]

@@PedroRosado22 MVP is a useless award. It’s just a statistical award. Does Westbrook need an MVP when we already know he’s gonna grab his teammates rebound from him and stat pad for the triple double? Or that Giannis can only play an exploitable euro step or Harden’s 50 fga per game? I still agree with Chuck, if you cannot lead your team to the most wins with a convincing dominance in win shares then how are you “valuable” to your team?

[@user-yh3cy8tj1d]

MVP isn't just about individual stats otherwise guys like Kobe would have multiple MVPs, same with Harden, KD, Ai, Wilt, and even Melo, T mac.

[@AlejandroSanchez-pl6jw]

And shaq

[@zackrodriguez7519]

Wilt has 4 MVPs already tho

[@AlejandroSanchez-pl6jw]

@@zackrodriguez7519 true but he was perhaps the best in his short career every year... that includes Bill Russell

[@matthewjames4247]

That man deserved at least 10 the way ppl betrayed him & his greatness.

[@zackrodriguez7519]

@@AlejandroSanchez-pl6jw oh no I believe he should’ve won at least 8 too and that he was better than Bill Russell, but he named guys with only 1 MVP or no MVPs so I just let him know that wilt had 4

[@seannemetz4856]

Chuck is the only guy today who knows what he's talking about. Shaq is wrong today and Kenny is wrong everyday.

[@mdlatham7]

Agreed. Chuck is smarter than them two put together. It's obvious.

[@mikekendrick4586]

Charlie never ever right

[@earlgray9794]

You people are just mad at Kenny for supporting the players protest.

[@Ben-ho3qc]

So True

[@hfr8343]

@@earlgray9794 Kenny is kind of dumb

[@samualcalnan4774]

Confusion between "MVP" and "Best Player". They are not the same.

[@luigy7223]

Exactly I always thought there should be an award separate from the MVP called the Offensive player of the year to show singular success like the Defensive player of the year and the MVP would focus more on the team success, and their individual play as well

[@johnmag202]

@@luigy7223 Closest to offensive player would be the scoring title I guess

[@MarkzBaui26]

the best player can be the most valuable when he carries the worst team but not when hes on a good team and a player carries the worst team

[@dwadeisthegoat2020]

Exactly u can be a great player but in order to win a mvp u have to have a great supporting cast he'll Shaq himself won mvp and then won the title in 1999-2000

[@0401412740]

Absolutely no one: ..... Shaq: "How many rings you got Chuck?"

[@MrRedpaul84]

Charles always bringing up great points. Chris Paul deserved to be in the discussion last year and deserves it this year. Keyword: discussion

[@BigBen1994]

I like how Chuck brought up Steve Nash winning MVP over Shaq lmao 😂😂 he knows Shaq wouldn't disagree with him. Then Kenny knew it instantly lmao 😂 I was dead watching this live 😂😂😂

[@RJ_824]

but it was also a good point thats what he was going for

[@Galactic123]

The disrespect to Nash is too much on this show. Nash led a previously struggling Suns team to great success, and if Horry didn't cheap shot him and get Amare suspended, they could have won a chip.

[@iNostraD]

Shaq was like “that’s a good question.” 😂

[@Kaibeast-kv1xu]

@@Galactic123 Well currently CP3 is doing a similar thing as Nash

[@Homeboy8227]

You forgot Ernie would not disagree either since he voted for him to be mvp too

[@hyperbolicathletes]

If teams didn’t matter Kobe should of been wining mvps from 05 to 2010

[@rdot980]

Should've.

[@GabrielHernandez84]

@@rdot980 congrats you win a 🏆

[@nick_nervies]

League couldnt have kobe being mvp and the face with the rape allegations

[@Dayy1028]

Cap Kobe took a lot of shots so as a resulted he scored a lot that doesn’t make him MVP

[@andylee6147]

@@Dayy1028 we talking abt stats idiot the league is giving mvp base on stats not team record if that’s the case go back to 2003 and 2006 where he carried the lakers on his back

[@MrRealTalk]

Finally CP3 getting his respect, that man be changing teams around as soon as he gets there.

[@user-yh3cy8tj1d]

Exactly. Last year, this year, and with rockets

[@andyraphael]

@@user-yh3cy8tj1d don't forget about the clippers and new Orleans hornets

[@haneecamper4903]

Cp3 was a MVP candidate a couple of times in New Orleans he was a real problem those year's.

[@steph-nx1of]

@@haneecamper4903 yes you right and the 08 season should be his but David Stern finally realized the NBA robbed Kobe of least 2 MVP (03 and 06 in my opinion) so they gave it to Kobe in 08

[@syce25]

I totally agree but it's about time for CP3

[@eddiebrown2448]

Oh my goodness, I can't believe I am saying this. "I Agree with Chuck!"

[@obarbeito]

Charles is right, if a player takes the team from mediocre to good or great, that player should be in the top 3 for MVP...

[@jmoney4220]

Glad Chuck is giving Cp3 respect. He’s so under appreciated

[@bugstepper3528]

No he isn’t. He’s very appreciated but he doesn’t deserve this level of respect this year

[@jmoney4220]

@@bugstepper3528 you’re trippin big time

[@Ggugeomp40]

Hes played for every team in the league

[@juandejesus8187]

Under appreciated yes. Mvp, no

[@kenonoke1395]

He has a point if u take a team from last place to 1st place

[@Peter-cv9rl]

Shaq is so ignorant sometimes, if the MVP went to best player every year Lebron would have like 10 MVPs...

[@Reggietheproducer]

exactly

[@nomajesticson]

👏

[@yacineterki3542]

And jordan would have a 13 mpvs since he come to the league 😂😂😂

[@DOLLAMAC190]

And MJ would have about 12

[@cataterat8]

10? Nah

[@jgreed5]

Adding cp3 literally added almost 20 wins single handledly. That scream mvp

[@alexescutia4805]

To be fair the suns missed ayton last year for 20 something games lol didn’t they?

[@jgreed5]

@@alexescutia4805 lol come on man. U know he a role player

[@skat3r430]

@@alexescutia4805 really bro...Ayton...

[@alexescutia4805]

@@skat3r430 yes bro ayton lmao idk why y’all so disrespectful 😂

[@fabiangordon1157]

And Bron? Screams championship

[@odm87]

Shaq and Kenny says what’s gonna keep them a job and what the media wanna hear. Chuck always goes against the grain but he’s always right and makes very valid points!

[@elliotness11]

These guys can make a glass of water “Must See Tv”

[@keywill1728]

Facts😂

[@12packersfan]

You’d have to figure that Shaq wouldn’t like a high assist point guard winning mvp over an in-the-paint center

[@drestathagangsta8880]

Yeah that hits too close to home for him lol.

[@samker7758]

@Dennis Leavitt his sensitivity annoys me but tbf , his job is to give his opinion, not an objective analysis.

[@kvonsuede]

Chuck is actually right. MVP has a lot to do with team success vs. best player. If MVP was really most VALUABLE player (aka best player in the league) lebron should win almost every single year, same thing with giannis over harden, etc.

[@howtodo9953]

Chris Paul isn’t most valuable to Phoenix, Booker is. They were winning in the Bubble without him.

[@jmoney4220]

@@howtodo9953 bro stop it

[@thee_legendary1]

@@howtodo9953 They won in the bubble and still ain’t make the playoffs they’re the Two seed in the west with Chris Paul They haven’t even sniffed the playoffs in years.

[@howtodo9953]

@@thee_legendary1 they already proved they were good enough when they went 8-0. They would still be the same without Chris Paul.

[@thee_legendary1]

@@howtodo9953 you need to get off the bubble topic Jamal Murray and Donovan Mitchell looked like MVPs in the bubble we see now that’s not the case you’re taking an 8 game stretch over years of evidence.

[@davidchung2953]

"Shaq & Charles Barkley Heated Argument..." Say no more, I'm here

[@danic9654]

They literally make the same “team MVP vs individual MVP” conversation every year

[@Cologneking408]

Every year for the past 12 years it should've been lebron for both. He's been the best player and the most valuable for his team because without him every team he's been on has sucked

[@samker7758]

Charles made a valuable point : team impact is considered in MVP. "Can you make your team win championship/have a great season ? " Is definitely a big factor. The real problem is , they only look at "Dominant" players who score more points , triple double etc. Qualities like leadership is left behind which is really a shame. As Chuck often says, Cp3 is a great leader, each time he is in a new team, he brings a new life in it. It is a unique quality nowadays , not as flashy as others but He should be in the talk for MVP.

[@codejjm]

If Shaq and Kenny logic were true, Book and Donovan Mitchell would be in the conversation

[@bashwill236]

But that’s why u can’t just look at the standings if you watch you can see those teams in particular are successful becuz of team ball not one outstanding player

[@ibk2205]

@@bashwill236 unless u put up GODLY numbers like Russel Eastbrook did u gotta have good stats + a top 3 ranking and be the UNDISPUTED BEST PLAYER ON UR TEAM

[@jmoney4220]

Book?

[@alejandroalfaro9025]

steph too

[@emdeest1201]

Chuck was absolutely right this section, the MVP...while being a "singular" award is usually given to the best player on the best team. Shaq had no clue what he was talking about lol.

[@TheRealLeonardWashington]

What about Westbrook when he won it?

[@widesreentv]

@@TheRealLeonardWashington was an anomaly because he averaged a triple double if memory serves me right he did again in another season or two I think and didn't get multiple, also it made for a good storyline after KD left

[@canclay2774]

There are the numbers of Nash mvp Season 06: 18.8 ppg, 10.5 apg, 4.2 rpg

[@HariKrishnan-ec5mn]

Shaq changes goalposts like an elite groundskeeper.

[@jollyrancher9016]

But then he yells at everybody else for doing it. Remember when he freaked out when Charles changed his MVP pick.

[@itsmeprasad1987]

@@jollyrancher9016 big bully...

[@INTHEMUD6]

His not lyring though. Chris Paul is not and should not be in MVP discussions.

[@etf42]

😆

[@archyleach]

In addition to his assists, Nash is tied for the 19th highest career true shooting percentage out of all nba players and has twice as many 50/40/90 seasons as any other player. People don’t realize how good he was.

[@isaiahyoungblood6158]

Lmaooo when ShAQ said “that’s a good question” I knew what he was doing 😂😂

[@kobeandcarmelostanaccount5540]

I totally agree with Chuck. He should of been in the mvp discussion seriously last year in OKC as well. Chris Paul the greatest leader in sports

[@alejandromarmolejo13]

I dont think hes a better leader than Brady

[@kobeandcarmelostanaccount5540]

@@kenjordan954 he was robbed by going to the finals with Kobe and injuries ....

[@kobeandcarmelostanaccount5540]

@@alejandromarmolejo13 he is because CP3 has more of a impact on a game then brady does

[@thee_legendary1]

@@kobeandcarmelostanaccount5540 I agree if him and Kobe teamed up I could see them winning multiples finals and it would of took some of the stress off Kobe especially with Phil Jackson as the coach that’s the crazy part

[@waltercampbell9787]

Charles Barkley is the only nba commentator that actually speaks facts about basketball. Shaq just screams about his rings, and all other nba commentators just say hot takes for clicks. Chuck the goat

[@Equinoccios]

He's the only one that actually watches games in his free time. Ernie and Chuck, in their podcast, admited that Shaq and Kenny barely watch any games apart from when they do the show.

[@Litchen-sh7lr]

I didn’t hear shaq scream about his rings at all! Seems to me shaq can’t win. He talks about his rings and he gets flack. He doesn’t talk about his rings - he still gets flack for talking about them in the past! He can’t express an opinion that he gets paid to do and gets labeled a hater. Seems to me there is plenty of “haters” in the comments. But hey you are all just expressing an opinion. Just like shaq. Hypocrites much!

[@AQUAPHREESH193]

@@Litchen-sh7lr LOL who in their right mind is hating on SHAQ? We all love SHAQ and his legacy is solidified but using the rings argument every time almost on cue is beyond annoying and ridiculous. I don’t see how that’s a wrong assessment. It’s like people people pick and choose who to be critical of these days and if you’re critical of somebody people like, then you’re a “hater” 😂😂🤷🏾‍♂️ We all know shaq got the rings by now but he’s run that statement into the ground. I don’t think Michael Jordan or even Bill Russell spend half the time talking about their rings like shaq does 😂😂

[@mhballer93]

Chris Paul is like LeBron in that he can join literally any team and turn them around for a winning record.

[@Vinnygetbuckets]

This is probably his last year doing that he’s 36 now

[@jacobramirez5606]

Minus the championship lol or a finals appearance

[@Frat-js4wd]

Can’t do anything in the playoffs tho

[@Traygetfundzzz781]

Frat0955 maybe second round

[@eduardosegovia7784]

He didn't do that when he first joined lakers not even playoffs

[@totterymanx]

Chuck is kind of right on this. It reminds me of Nash's first MVP. Suns didn't even make the playoffs the year before and the next they were the #1 seed and he lead the league in assists and won MVP.

[@MuxMagiq11]

Sometimes I wonder what Kenny has to offer? 😂🤦

[@junjunsay93]

Running to the screen in the back

[@leeyoko3165]

So now they saying teams don’t matter they been saying for years oh his team record this and team record that. Even with the Rose conversation the Bulls had the number 1 seed in the eastern conference that year

[@atrain8179]

Exactly so I’m confused

[@taxationistheft7047]

“Team doesn’t matter” well I thought there was a stat showing that almost like 90% of all MVPs were the top 2 teams in their conference.... and Westbrook was the exception? I’m confused now. Imagine saying “I care about team success”, also Shaq “ it’s not about the team success” , while playing in a team sport.

[@rayfordreed9304]

You're right, that statistic is pretty accurate.

[@MM-jc7uv]

Westbrook got it because he was averaging a 30 point triple double and had crazy numbers. Paul’s numbers are nowhere near as good as some other guys, numbers matter more than team record. Team record should only be a deciding factor when it’s close between 2 players

[@mrjaredsoccer]

Paul has a similar record to guys like Embiid and Lebron and had way worse stats stop it

[@rayfordreed9304]

@@MM-jc7uv but that's not how it is so you can't expect it to change randomly

[@taxationistheft7047]

@@mrjaredsoccer that’s not the point. That has happened before. Nash averaged 15 and 11 and won over Shaq, and Duncan who had better stats than him, but he was the best player in the best team. If the suns get the 1 seed, I don’t see why they wouldn’t consider Paul as the MVP, when they were trash last year without him

[@LonghornsLegend]

Shaq on 2k halftime reports gives better analysis then real life Shaq

[@lliioonnheart9874]

That Nash point was 🔥🔥🔥 And that Jordan point aswell.

[@frozenlake1215]

It's tough to hang in a debate with someone who finishes half his points by saying, "STOP IT."

[@knockda887]

I agree with Charles - CP3 is valuable as a Leader to his team creating a mental dynamic to be held accountable - aka MVP

[@1kg140]

When Nash won mvp he didn’t have someone like booker that could score at will or in late game situations. Paul not putting up crazy numbers and the is obviously players having better seasons

[@captainkirk197]

@@1kg140 Shawn Marion, Joe Johnson, Raja Bell, Boris diaw, amare stoudemire,

[@alexescutia4805]

Mvp? Dude can we say we 100% sure he’s the best player on his team?

[@legendarygaming8145]

I'm riding with Chuck on this one. CP3 should definitely be in the argument if his team has a very good record.

[@penkima4923]

CP3 is possibly the greatest PG in history. Leaving him without MVP for his career will be robbery.

[@maxthefanboy7415]

D Rose averaged like 25 and 8 in 2011 He was good but not "the best player" Kenny always on somethin.

[@dondavis8588]

He wasn't

[@Tonynotsoprano]

Lebron easily was the best guy. Even tho the heat choked

[@Kaibeast-kv1xu]

@@Tonynotsoprano But Drose won because he had the better team

[@kentown716]

I can't lie that was one of the greatest arguments everybody was on point what they was saying

[@Success2gether]

I've always though MVP was the most valuable player to their team.

[@motor33]

I agree with Chuck all the way until he said "What about derrick rose?" MVP rose was dominant and his team was at the top.

[@LockDoWNLou]

Lebron had a better season and his team had the better record as well

[@motor33]

@@LockDoWNLou Lebron had the better season but Bulls had the better record 😅

[@cooliehimarley7]

@@LockDoWNLou damn yo facts all fucked up drose had the better year and better record was the only player to finish top 10 in points and assist that year

[@deonwatts]

@@cooliehimarley7 I keep trying to tell people that the man(lbj) didn’t get robbed that year. He had 2 other stars to lean on.

[@grandcanyon2]

derek rose had good numbers but not no mvp numbers, at best he should have been 5th in voting.

[@GreyDuck54]

I was disappointed there wasn't a "GOOGLE ME CHUCK!"

[@khalin20]

Probably because if you we were to google him we'd find out he lost to nash, twice. 🤣🤣🤣

[@miatodd3236]

I almost want a debate be

[@MightMouse2174]

Yeah that's his go too when he's losing the argument

[@samker7758]

Cause Chuck brought steve Nash MVP to the table lol

[@JorgeMartinez-xj7qb]

@@khalin20 lmfaooopop Lowkey

[@Suriraa]

We need to establish the definition of mvp. Is it the best performing player or the player that has the biggest impact on their team?

[@jmoney4220]

The criteria changes every year it seems like lol

[@braydonblanton8218]

Well last time that happened was when Russ won mvp when his team wasn’t even a top 5 seed. Just depends

[@jmoney4220]

@@braydonblanton8218 that was only because of the triple double narrative. He shouldn’t even have finished top 3 that year.

[@SamUHells]

@@braydonblanton8218 exactly it depends on the hype of the team and player. i feel like unless the player is having an historic season like Russ, they put team success at a high standard for the award

[@youngpatrick29]

To win mvp they should give every statistic a value and tally it up, whoever has the highest value wins it automatically. Includes team rank, ppg, assists, steals, efficiency, etc. This would actually make a lot of sense...

[@russcatt5952]

"The best part of waking up...is seeing Shaq argue with Chuuuuuck"

[@PresbianTier]

LMFAO

[@tamilorefashae7936]

"That's a good question" - Shaq, I'm dead

[@justing5682]

ik D Rose was a dog his MVP year but to say he was the best player in a league with Lebron, Kobe, & KD is ridiculous

[@alexescutia4805]

Not the best but as a bron fan I ain’t too mad man was unguardable too fast for everyone

[@timothywoods4329]

Kenny says Chuck hates like with the warriors, but if it’s the other way around and Chuck is just implying that Kenny is he gets butthurt.

[@pickandhoop]

Kenny is an asshole. His takes are always pretty bad and his arguments even worse.

[@AQUAPHREESH193]

@@pickandhoop 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@FireAngelChris]

Lol Kenny stop it in 2011 Rose wasn’t better than Lebron James.

[@juniorasare3359]

he was the most valuable player to his team in 2011 tho

[@AqwDragulum]

@@juniorasare3359 He was, but Kenny added to his argument that Rose was the best player in 2011, which he wasn’t.

[@itsnoahgf-_-6757]

@@AqwDragulum well 2011 that was dirk wtf

[@SamUHells]

@@juniorasare3359 exactly chucks point cause lebron was the best player in 2011 but drose had an amazing year with the best record

[@FireAngelChris]

@@AqwDragulum precisely my point lol

[@kk-sr1wl]

Player is singular 😂😂 Shaq doesn't like Nash as 2 time MVP haha

[@djstubbs]

Lmao Shaq switches side when Chuck compares CP3 to Nash

[@jonathanmuldrow2102]

I agree with Barkley. It just sucks he won't be talking about the Suns Nachos anymore lol

[@THEINFAMOUS1011]

I need to watch that now.

[@ricanLegend2003]

Chris Paul deserves mvp consideration but it’s pretty obvious it’s a 2 man race between embiid and joker

[@FruitMonger360]

"PLAYER IS SINGULAR" "NO IT'S NOT" "PLAYER IS SINGULAR" "NO IT'S NOT" 😂

[@Maxmillianr1]

CINGALAH

[@elihernandez800]

Shaq was so proud to know how to use the word singular lol

[@wavyamar]

I agree with Charles on this one. Having the best regular season & effecting your team winning makes you valuable. You can score 35ppg but if you're team is losing doesn't really count.

[@gcmir3784]

I’m with Barkley... the only reason why himself and Malone got the mvp over Jordan

[@djcutarekord]

I got a really big feeling that alot of projected winning teams are going to get upset in the playoffs this year. Alot more than previous years. And point guards don't get MVP consideration like they did in the past. Too many combo guards.

[@mrt094]

What are you talking about Steph Curry won back to back MVPs in the last 5 years.

[@djcutarekord]

@@mrt094 Is he really a prototypical point guard? No. He shoots first.

[@solomong8333]

I agree with everything Chuck said except him questioning Rose's dominance. Lebron's career would've been hugely effected if Rose stayed healthy.

[@rahim9nine]

I dont think you say prime d rose get shut down by lebron

[@arthursutton2492]

He was only saying Derrick Rose didn't put up big numbers his MVP season LeBron had better numbers that year but Derrick Rose had the better team so he won the MVP

[@solomong8333]

@@arthursutton2492 they were discussing mvps that were not dominate, chuck didn't have a response when Kenny said Rose was dominate.

[@arthursutton2492]

@@solomong8333 Kobe 28pts James 27pts Rose 25pts the yr he won mvp

[@solomong8333]

@@arthursutton2492 your missing the point. Chuck was using Nash and Rose as examples of players who won mvp but were not dominate

[@nukesnipa1]

Lebron is arguably the MVP every year but Chris Paul should be in the discussion, I do not understand how that is even a debate ? Chris Paul has had plenty of MVP a candidate years as well...

[@SolelyMomo]

Lebron ain’t this year’s mvp

[@silewis9396]

@@SolelyMomo You missed the point

[@takeaction8986]

@@silewis9396 the point can be implied... but it is also true that there is no case for LBj to be MVP this year!

[@merica3493]

1:59 by Kenny’s own definition, Lebron shouldn’t even be in the MVP conversation. He plays bad defense. Relies on his teammates on the court to pick up his slack but still gets credit by the Media 🤔. And he has a stacked roster and he is not dominant. By that definition Giannis should easily win it over Lebron. And they’re still rumors about the Lakers making even more moves to upgrade their roster.

[@felix207]

I love how Shaq jumps with Barkley real quick because of the Nash hate lol

[@justinvickclt]

MVP voting comes down to personal stats, team's record and best storyline. Chris Paul is in the conversation.

[@juliusutsey1821]

Well Rudy Gobert should be in the MVP race then

[@justinvickclt]

@@juliusutsey1821 I can see him winning a third DPOY, but not an MVP. I'd like to see Embiid get it.

[@grav9992]

Why is Barkley talking to Shaq? Shaq doesn't even watch the games, like the majority of people who comment nowadays

[@emmanuelmoses7249]

Charles and Shaq are both right..Chris Paul doesn't have a realistic shot at MVP this year, but team success DOES matter..MVP has ALWAYS been the better/best player on the best team..Bill Russell beat Wilt and Oscar for MVP, Wilt had 50/25 a game while the Big O averaged a triple double.. Nash was never the best player in the NBA, we know this, but he had back to back MVPs, team success has always mattered... Should it matter? That's a separate conversation..

[@aoihgadnlgago]

If team success matter, then why westbrook won? His team success was 6th or 8th seed if I remember correctly. Years later, everyone realised that he was statpadding . I mean it should win somebody whose team is at least championship contender

[@TheHuskyK9]

Chuck is spitting facts. Team record most definitely has relevance in MVP talks. There's a KZbin channel that makes vids about what if the MVP was purely about being the best player in the league. Kobe, LeBron, Wilt, and Jordan would have a lot more MVPs if it was just a pure individual award

[@woox317]

I knew when he said Steve Nash I said oooouuuuu 😂🤣🤣🤣

[@crown20aaryan28]

How is this considered heated?

[@deltonjoa7840]

First time ever I'm agreeing with Shaq. MVP is about the best player in the league in that season (while of course considering his contributions to his team)

[@othmanedag1962]

then why the award is not named best player award

[@othmanedag1962]

that's dumb af

[@clips2548]

Should Beal, be in the MVP discussion, from a individual statistic standpoint? 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@freetheworld2671]

badabing

[@ViewsContent]

Chuck is right as always. Kenny arguing that Derick Rose was the best player, not when LeBron was in the league. Team record has a lot to do with the MVP. Only averaging a triple double is the exception.

[@johnny6904]

20 years and they are still debating what the MVP is supposed to be And we still watch

[@BitcoinIsGoingToZero]

Chris paul is so underrated. All he does is make teams better.

[@sc239]

Truth is the media flip flop every couple of years over the criteria when handing out MVP... For a while it was best player on best team. Then it was just best player. Then it was most valuable to his team . Then it was if you took a player off that team would the team still win. Thats why you have Lebron with 4, Nash and Giannis with 2 and Kobe, Shaq and Olajuwon with only 1 each.

[@Reggietheproducer]

yea like westbrooks triple double season with like a 5th seed finish

[@showoff105thridas5]

The fact that Kobe only had 1 mvp mind bottling he was best player 04-09

[@actualfactual1882]

You mean boggling

[@jmoney4220]

09 I think Bron was better.

[@arizonaFIREent]

Kobe shouldn't even of won in 2008. He is beyond overrated

[@jmoney4220]

@@arizonaFIREent i think Cp3 deserved it in 08 but how is kobe overrated?

[@showoff105thridas5]

@@actualfactual1882 yea wat Yu said lol

[@luisjavier6076]

MVP = Most Valuable Player. It’s not that complicated. The team success should have nothing to do with it. Shaq is right

[@EGarrett01]

3:29 Did anybody else double-check to make sure Shaq spelled player right? lol.