How Axe Skillfully Informs Wizzrobe That The Set Has Ended

In this episode of Frame Data, we’re going to take a look at Axe vs. Wizzrobe in the Group Stage of Smash Summit 9. Sometimes, the most important part of a set is knowing when it’s over. These two players are cerebral, and we can learn a lot by understanding just how they think during a tournament set. We’ll be taking a deep dive into the many thoughts that went through these player’s heads during such a high-profile set, and how Axe specifically guides his opponent through the process of leaving the room after their set is complete.
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Hugger Mugger - Where You At
SHIKIMO - Zodiac
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Catherine OST - Lost

[@tyler8112]

3 minutes in before i realized it was a joke

[@E-Brightvoid]

Same

[@jasonstroude1414]

Tyler, please wavedash

[@ponderingfox]

Same

[@nolvalir]

Ayyy nice seein a rivals player in the wild

[@turndownforwalt]

Outplayed

[@marcusltang]

"Axe begins to explain to Wizzrobe that he does indeed know how to count" LMAO

[@krusher181]

Yeah but pikachu players can’t count.

[@turndownforwalt]

Well yes, but actually no

[@cosmicseaa1119]

Best part lmfao.

[@ricardoludwig4787]

@@turndownforwalt I mean he does have a falco secondary, so that probably means he can't coins very well

[@imsammy1343]

**Player blinks** "This was actually a very optimal decision on their part."

[@benjaminratthe9904]

"Had they not blinked in this safe window, they would've had to refresh the wetness of their eyes in a non-optimal moment, or even worse; they might've had to not refresh their eyes at all until a better moment presented itself. Outstanding blink."

[@turndownforwalt]

High-level eyeball techskill

[@kylelo5986]

Wizzrobe actually does consistently blink while techchasing to improve his reaction time. So in a non meme way, yes, Wizzy has optimal blinks.

[@jakesawaguchi4928]

@@kylelo5986 Pretty sure he closes his eyes during his pummels

[@archivelibrarian6818]

i mean yeah blinking is one of the fastest grounded options. it completes in like 10 frames and starts frame 1

[@chaotickreg7024]

The popoff frame data is such a beautifully constructed joke, good job

[@JonathanFarmer100]

I broke 666 likes, I am sorry :P

[@A432Hz]

We still need some more frame data on the Wizzy water drink, especially on how it grants him intangibility frames to stall the set out, crucial mid-set metagame.

[@turndownforwalt]

Very important point! I'll have to look into it for a future episode!

[@leo131ftw]

Wizzy water drink is leganday, we really should go deeping into westballz vs wizzy and the crazy drink mind games.

[@DesTr069]

Oh no, it pains me to see that set lmao

[@Figgy20000]

"Wizzrobe has made Axe believe that pikachu players don't know how to count" ROFL

[@turndownforwalt]

The ultimate mindgame

[@lilyiswashere2875]

@@turndownforwalt no i think it's melee actually that's why they played on a CRT

[@gabrieljreed]

"Falco players don't know how to count because they shoot too many lasers in neutral" looool

[@Nerex7]

I mean, never met a Falco main who could tell me how many lasers they shot that match. Guess it must be true.

[@turndownforwalt]

You know I had to do it to em

[@unwashedheathen6925]

@@Nerex7 I mean, do you remember how many breads you have eaten in your life?

[@elihuan4340]

@@unwashedheathen6925 13, I mostly eat Japanese food.

[@Nerex7]

@@unwashedheathen6925 You comparing a life time to a single match of Melee that last about 4 minutes considering the falco doesn't get camped to full 8 minutes?

[@justsomebird4285]

Bro Axe intangible on the startup of his popoff. Dude can literally just no longer be apart of reality for a short duration man what an incredible player.

[@turndownforwalt]

In sacrificing his ability to count Axe has gained a power much greater

[@CGoody564]

To be fair, if you tried to punish his pop off, you're just going to get crushed by the low sweep which will launch you on counter-hit. ...oh wait, that's Tekken. My bad.

[@fartmicrowave]

Honestly, pop offs are often so hard to punish that you have to go for a 50/50 with crabs. This was seen effective on Hbox pop off to say the least

[@HatsuneInku]

This is...just so insanely funny with just how serious the voice is talking about irl frame data

[@turndownforwalt]

This is a very serious video!

[@ChiodosBlowsDogs]

You have to commit these kinds of jokes like it's just matter of fact. I bet that the mental hitstun from wizzy's mind play was still lingering on Axe on Day 4 of this weeks set

[@jojokim5617]

This is why i don’t pick up melee, It’s way too difficult.

[@mini-_]

Same, I don't think I could count to five. Huge props to these players!

[@catstats9810]

Melee is a party game. Just jump in!

[@jakesawaguchi4928]

@@catstats9810 Counting to 5 has a difficulty to it that can't be downplayed as a "party game"

[@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569]

ikr smh my head

[@hiX0N]

literally a kids party game

[@elivorderbruggen7508]

Axe really showed everything he needs to be best in the world here. Reactions, tech skill, a solid game plan, and great reads.

[@turndownforwalt]

If only he knew how to count

[@kiLLkerL]

Best viewing angles too

[@pwnstr23]

damn this quarantine's getting to everybody

[@KevSB07]

Nah it’s just April fools

[@azophi]

@@KevSB07 made me laugh

[@KevSB07]

@@azophi something like that

[@thelamergamer1894]

I wish I could like, but 420.

[@psycular]

4:32 “counting to 5 is a much large ask then counting to 3, even 4” had me dying😂💀

[@firelifeblizzard8782]

"Axe was thrown off by Wizzy's jarring physical movement" This is how Samsora got to #2 in the world. Only MKLeo can stay focused

[@turndownforwalt]

Those head bobs ain't nothin to mess with

[@browk2512]

"Wizzrobe hasn't just made Axe think that they have another game left in the set, Wizzrobe has made Axe believe that pikachu players don't know how to count"

[@emmbeesea]

The Metametagame. Sometimes, the most important aspects of the game happens outside the game. Good stuff Walt!

[@Wrench-007]

Since I see you on every Melee comment section, it just became common to me already. I'm always like "I wonder if this person commented here already".

[@PoorStargazer]

I think that's an AsumSaus vid title

[@turndownforwalt]

Thanks for watching!

[@lmao2302]

I'm so good at the breathing tech.

[@SJNaka101]

It took me way too long to realize this was a meme. When you started talking about the pop off frames, my look of confusion was the same as axe's when wizzy performed the water tech So... well executed

[@fartmicrowave]

The analysis on Axe pop off frame data was amazing, popoff active frames are great detais that no one seems to notice

[@coolguyfry293]

3 years later and I just have to say this is pure melee and I comeback to this clip often

[@userunspecified]

"Wizzrobe hasn't just made Axe think that they have another game left in the set. Wizzrobe has made Axe believe that Pikachu players don't know how to count." -turndownforwalt

[@declanhearne5784]

You know it’s a joke video cause he doesn’t use the word ‘explosive’

[@nicksouly9795]

i thought this was an actual analysis until you brought up axe’s pop off frame data lmao

[@turndownforwalt]

This analysis is very real and legitimate

[@James-ek3mb]

Axe is an incredible human being. We are so lucky to have him

[@MATTierial]

This was a brilliant analysis of a truly confounding sequence of events.

[@snickerdoodle3908]

I was looking forward to this! Great stuff, see you all next year

[@nikoforsyth514]

Wow, I never expected such production value and deep analysis before. This channel needs way more subs.

[@turndownforwalt]

Thank you so much! I'm hoping we keep growing together!

[@heux1]

I'm a simple man. I see shit post, I thumbs up.

[@turndownforwalt]

Wait this wasn't a shitpost

[@DesTr069]

Dude this is only 6 months old, but it’s already a classic for April fools for me. You have true talent Walt, can’t wait for next year :)

[@FryinRyan27]

This is the quality that I subbed for. Great video!

[@turndownforwalt]

Wow, thanks! Glad you enjoyed!

[@NoFairiesAllowed]

This concept is golden keep ‘em coming

[@theSato]

This is the video that made me discover your channel. I love this video so much.

[@philiphunt-bull5817]

"Axe explains to Wizzrobe that he actually does know how to count."

[@Hidden_Raposo]

5:45 Electronic Gems always on point

[@DesTr069]

The epitome of Melee analysis videos, online trolling, and meta jokes. Well played, sir. Well played.

[@lreaves6643]

This was the best thing I saw today

[@turndownforwalt]

I hope it was informational!

[@lreaves6643]

@@turndownforwalt I am now prepared to tell my opponents when the set ends like a pro

[@frogchip6484]

I really appreciate the analysis, I've been working on my neutral but after watching this video I'm winning neutral 90% of the time, if only I knew about the secret tech 'wizzy water drink' before this!

[@im_Spade_]

This is easily the most insightful melee video I've ever seen.

[@CGoody564]

The real MVP move is when axe points to the TV, as if to say "dude, it's that guy, not me". Coincidentally, I think Wizz bought it.

[@turndownforwalt]

60% of the time it works, every time

[@CGoody564]

@@turndownforwalt i take that back; you the real MVP for these hilarious comment replies. Don't think I've found a dud yet

[@abelbeans]

So good, please make more

[@ryan_ford522]

"so that alone may make a mental obstacle for Axe, as Wizzrobe tries to sell the idea that a game 6 is not all that out of the question" Also the "best of 7" part kinda syncing up with wizzy talking killed me

[@Fritzyboo]

Intangibility during popoff? Oh snap

[@turndownforwalt]

Pretty broken move tbh

[@mustyshitlap]

This helped me. Thank you.

[@craigpines5723]

I love watching April Fools videos after April Fools.

[@Jardonius]

This was godlike analysis~ Ty, sir.

[@turndownforwalt]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@ijlondon]

this brings me buckets of joy

[@turndownforwalt]

I'm glad to hear that!

[@ryangenis9416]

Very informative thank you

[@turndownforwalt]

Glad it was helpful!

[@fu_ck1]

It's so confusing to binge watch this playlist, I have no idea which one is an april fool's video and which is normal video, that is until you start studying pop-off frames xD I love this

[@noahsagritalo9621]

Jeez, I can't believe it's going to be a year since this video came out.

[@Tonindo]

This video is amazing.

[@keithklassen5320]

As a newcomer to melee videos, this took me forever.

[@DarthCinnabon]

The only thing missing from this masterpiece is some sort of reference to "Walgreens Drake" or Wizzy's Rod. I loved the stealthy 69 to shout out AZ

[@ThereIsNoSpoon678]

This video is gold

[@savaget2058]

I had a feeling this was posted on April first, and I wasn't disappointed 😅

[@_Majunior]

Walt stays topping himself like a contortionist

[@pippincovington1348]

When will the community recognize him 😭😭😭 I think he needs a new profile picture. His profile picture is awful, it makes your eye slide off of it.

[@turndownforwalt]

Damn that's bendy

[@turndownforwalt]

My friend drew my profile pic for me maybe 5 years ago now LMAO I'd love to look into a new one but I really have no idea how I'd want to brand it!

[@heyzeuscreestow9394]

Lol

[@salsashark4133]

I got a lot more invested in this than I thought I would

[@cherryb0ng]

Thank you for the exact same footage of the Sesame Street videocassette I grew up with

[@turndownforwalt]

MWAH HA HA HA HA HAAAA!!

[@shrekstacy]

This gave me big "The Missile Knows Where It Is" vibes

[@rjthegood]

Top notch content right here.

[@turndownforwalt]

Thank you!

[@FlipsMG]

5 games took place before I realized this was a joke.

[@robo-rex0239]

When this happened I felt like laughing and crying at the same time. Lmaoo

[@DaLooseGoose11]

LMFAO quite the analysis! Also, was considering subscribing, now I seen this and u GOT my subscription right then and there. Aside from your great presentation, you got grade A trolling skills and sense of humor. Nice job

[@notwhoyouare1543]

can you start doing more of these again? i love the satire

[@jessesanchez08]

Yo! This is my favorite thing all of a sudden.

[@sterling_x9]

love this video

[@animated855]

I love how the pop off has frame data

[@EdwinAlguera]

Three minutes into the video realizing this is nothing but just pure comedy gold

[@vietnamgamer9490]

This is the most amazing meme I have ever seen

[@brandonguo655]

laughing through the whole vid!

[@no7412]

I need more of the frame data, I've seen other pop offs and dont quite know the frame data or hitboxes so I can learn to counter it.

[@HyranAU]

The humour in this is top tier

[@jamesschmalz2890]

THIS is quality melee content

[@MessApathy]

it's been more than a year and I'm only now learning this is a joke from other comments

[@randychavezjr6050]

I'm so confused that this content exists and I love it 🤣

[@scanface3315]

This has slowly gone to madness

[@anvi7572]

I would've loved to see this during April Fool's. Got recommended on July 6th, still a beautiful video lmao.

[@eddiestilll]

underrated vid for underrated mind games in melee XD

[@sweetmamaschili4051]

Walt making a 40 minute documentary on Mang0 taking a shit

[@turndownforwalt]

Who leaked my project files

[@SusejFTW]

5 Seconds / 5 Games. Mind, blown.

[@turndownforwalt]

Illuminati confirmed

[@MicWellz]

I was iffy when you said "these players are cerebral" it was over at 2 mins late n for me when you said wizzy tilting his head effected how much time he thought he had to tech. Lmao.

[@tonyleer2999]

This is fucking amazing.

[@boo24998]

it was the frame data of a pop off that made me realise

[@ezanadaniel9149]

god i love this

[@noirlavender6409]

Best meele video I've ever seen after Mang0, Ppnd, Armada and M2k comented on wizzrobe

[@joshbreton8496]

Axe is the true king of the metametagame

[@ss4clubdj]

The framedata on the pop off lmao

[@Lucky-ui7dh]

This analysis was making me angry before I realized it was a joke. You got me so good. Kudos.

[@turndownforwalt]

It should definitely still make you angry

[@hamsandwich800]

I found out this was a joke as soon as they were counting the frames of axe's popoff

[@turndownforwalt]

Frame data is not a joke

[@leesoftpaw5086]

This entire video is worth all the gold in the US reserve

[@X0v3r]

love ur videos. quality never dips even if its a joke vid

[@turndownforwalt]

Thanks buddy! This was a very serious video though!

[@X0v3r]

@@turndownforwalt oh, of course. My mistake

[@jasonkoch5348]

They had us in the first half

[@RamzaBeoulves]

"Axe exlpains to Wizzy that he, indeed, knows how to count" out o context it's even beter

[@12yearsajg]

holy shit this video is fucking amazing

[@schookn64]

dude this is making me crack up

[@ssbunerd3012]

He makes Axe’s popoff sound like a move lol

[@akirazumsteg]

they had us in the first half ngl

[@SpaceFrog999]

It took me so long bro

[@aerozchris7635]

this is actually funy i cried gj xd

[@daviddavila8969]

I wish I was this insightful

[@jonasrivers3675]

Actually the best april 1st video

[@turndownforwalt]

This was not an April Fools' joke

[@jonasrivers3675]

@@turndownforwalt I never once implied that!